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Old 08-06-2018, 03:35 PM   #26
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haha very good, he does not look his age!
Thanks, and he's actually 7 and 8.5 in those two pictures, but no, he doesn't look his age. If it weren't for the grey on his chin nowadays, you'd think he was still 2-3 years old.
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By the way.... I really appreciate all the tips you guys are giving me here.

Please, keep them coming if you think of anymore, nothing wrong with having too much information in this case.

Going to be spending the next 5 days doing as much thinking/planning ahead of time as possible to make things as easy on him as I can.

Did something similar before my shoulder surgery and it helped out a ton, I even had stuff pre-set up that I never even needed, so hoping to do the same here, over prepare and it will all go smoothly (fingers crossed).
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Co-worked did, he had surgery last year and had to put him down last week, torn again beyond repair.
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^^^ and now I feel sick to my stomach all of a sudden

I realize every possible health situation with a dog has some example out there of it going badly, but really hoping this doesn't become a long term issue with him.
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:55 AM   #30
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But how in the world did he get around for anything like even going to the bathroom those first few weeks?
The vets gave us a belly support harness that allows you to basically give them the full body support their legs normally give them without actually having to bend down and hold them up the whole time. The recuperation time was much faster than I ever expected. My frame of reference was friends tearing theirs and being on crutches for 3 months, but dogs recuperate much faster. Ours stayed at the vet for 2 nights (it will kill you, but let the pros handle them during this time) then came home. Days 3-4 were pretty rough, but after that she was able to get around with help from us with the belly harness. Week two, she wouldn't even let us put the harness on her, she was just ready to move on her own.

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As much as I can understand the cost savings of it, I can't imagine doing that out of choice right now and causing a much tougher recovery for him.
It really isn't that much worse than doing one leg. And it's a lot better than having to do one leg two separate times.

I'm not a vet, so I'm not going to advise one way or another, but I'll tell you our experience. Our dog first started limping around last August. We took her to the vet and he diagnosed the partial tear and advised rest and meds and see how she does. He told us the possibility of surgery, but recommended a wait and see approach. The meds helped with the pain, and we kept her inside as much as we could, but she just enjoys being outside too much so we still took her out occasionally. She adapted pretty well to running around on 3 legs and did that for a couple months and was pretty much her normal self. Then she started limping with both legs and we took her back to the vet. He told us the other ACL was fully torn and thought she had now fully torn the other and sent us to the specialist. The specialist recommended doing both legs at once, and told us it's much better that way because of the likelihood of a second tear; that they're already going through it all once, and it's not that much harder on them to do both versus one.


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Called the surgery center our vet recommended this morning and they said they can do the consultation and the surgery on Saturday, so I'm sure I'll find out more then. But from all my research, this is a pretty common problems in dogs and sounds to be a rather "routine" surgery for them to get, so that's helping set my mind at ease a bit too.
I don't think I'd do it the same day as the consultation. That's the first time you're going to get good info, direct from the source on what exactly happened, and what they're going to do. I'd want at least a few days to do some research and think it all through. Just make sure you're prepared, have your questions ready, and make sure you're comfortable with the answers to those.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:04 AM   #31
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My brother's dog had two ACL surgeries. The first one, she recovered well, but was still rather slow. Turns out a few years later, she needed to have another surgery and she is so much more active than ever before. I watch her twice a year (here now) and I see her running again which is great to see. She has a lot more life to her than I have ever seen.
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The vets gave us a belly support harness that allows you to basically give them the full body support their legs normally give them without actually having to bend down and hold them up the whole time. The recuperation time was much faster than I ever expected. My frame of reference was friends tearing theirs and being on crutches for 3 months, but dogs recuperate much faster. Ours stayed at the vet for 2 nights (it will kill you, but let the pros handle them during this time) then came home. Days 3-4 were pretty rough, but after that she was able to get around with help from us with the belly harness. Week two, she wouldn't even let us put the harness on her, she was just ready to move on her own.


It really isn't that much worse than doing one leg. And it's a lot better than having to do one leg two separate times.

I'm not a vet, so I'm not going to advise one way or another, but I'll tell you our experience. Our dog first started limping around last August. We took her to the vet and he diagnosed the partial tear and advised rest and meds and see how she does. He told us the possibility of surgery, but recommended a wait and see approach. The meds helped with the pain, and we kept her inside as much as we could, but she just enjoys being outside too much so we still took her out occasionally. She adapted pretty well to running around on 3 legs and did that for a couple months and was pretty much her normal self. Then she started limping with both legs and we took her back to the vet. He told us the other ACL was fully torn and thought she had now fully torn the other and sent us to the specialist. The specialist recommended doing both legs at once, and told us it's much better that way because of the likelihood of a second tear; that they're already going through it all once, and it's not that much harder on them to do both versus one.




I don't think I'd do it the same day as the consultation. That's the first time you're going to get good info, direct from the source on what exactly happened, and what they're going to do. I'd want at least a few days to do some research and think it all through. Just make sure you're prepared, have your questions ready, and make sure you're comfortable with the answers to those.
Gotcha, that's pretty much why I'm "rushing" into the surgery at this point, as he still LOVES to try and run around and be "normal" and I'm afraid of him hurting one of this other legs like what happened with your dog. Part of me says "well he doesn't seem to be in pain" so I want to put it off, but I'm just petrified of him injuring something else due to his size and weight that is now on only 3 legs.

I'm not too worried about doing the surgery the same day as the consultation, mainly because I don't think NOT getting the surgery is even an option at this point anymore. It's been 2 weeks now and he still won't put much weight on it and it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep him from wanting to move around as he's becoming more adept to moving around on 3 legs.

It's also already August and the snow/ice will start coming in in 3 months, and have read it's a 3-4 month window for full recovery, so the longer I wait, the more likely he's still in "recovery mode" when there is a chance of ice on the ground, and that's something I desperately want to avoid.

My vet has essentially told me I have 2 options, that he'll have to deal with it and have a limp (and risk further injury), or have the surgery, and given his age (hopefully still has 5 or so years left in him) and desire for being active, surgery is the only legitimate option right now.

I'm also an over-preparer, so I think I'll go into it with all my questions ready for them to answer right then, and will probably have some stupid ones as I'm always overly cautious and want to know EVERYTHING in these types of situations. I'm also not a vet, so I'm not sure doing my own research on the matter will help much, kinda feel this is a situation you need to trust the information being given to you as long as you trust the source.

And I've never doubted my vet, my parents have gone to him since before I was born and we have a longstanding history with him that our whole family 100% trusts his advice. So when he recommends a place, such as this surgery center, I also have faith that it's a top notch facility and vets who will give me the best advice possible.
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Ours stayed at the vet for 2 nights (it will kill you, but let the pros handle them during this time) then came home.
I was actually thinking about this one last night already.

They told me that they'll do the surgery Saturday and I'd be able to take him home on Sunday, but honestly, I KIND OF would rather leave him there until Monday morning.

As much as I want him home and to be by his side 24/7 after this, I think an extra night in a kennel (so not able to even try to really walk around much) and having the professionals to look over him and make sure everything is okay with him, is a much better option than taking him home just to satisfy my needs.

If me being depressed for an extra day is what is best for his long term recovery, I can deal with that no problem. And selfishly, it would possibly let me get in a round of Golf on Sunday too, as I think I'll be a wreck the day of the surgery and not worth playing, and over the next week or so I can't see leaving the house for 5 some hours to go play (taking all of next week off of work so I can be with him the whole time).
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My dog tore the right ACL a couple of years back, and is getting surgery again on the 13th since the left one is now torn. My dog is a trooper and was up walking around with a hanging leg the next day. The recovery was certainly slow but the end result was much better than seeing him limp around in pain on occasion.
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My parents dog had acl surgery last March. She has recovered well and isn't miserable and limping like before the surgery. Was a good choice.
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My dog tore the right ACL a couple of years back, and is getting surgery again on the 13th since the left one is now torn. My dog is a trooper and was up walking around with a hanging leg the next day. The recovery was certainly slow but the end result was much better than seeing him limp around in pain on occasion.
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My parents dog had acl surgery last March. She has recovered well and isn't miserable and limping like before the surgery. Was a good choice.
Just curious what size and breed are your dogs?
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Just curious what size and breed are your dogs?
My dog (well, actually my mom's) is only a 10 pound little guy, maltese and yorkie mix. He's a hyperactive little thing, but he understood his limits.

It's actually very common in small dogs. He actually has it a step worse where the torn ACL is leading to his knee sitting outside of the socket, so they have to drill his bone, reset the knee, and repair the ligament. He's been through it once though and it's really not as bad as it seems.

Also, swimming was huge in his recovery. It helped rebuild the muscle and gave a way for him to be active and get some exercise without having to put full weight on it during his recovery.
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Well I just dropped him off for surgery, now I’m a total mess, the next 24 hours is really going to suck
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Well I just dropped him off for surgery, now Iím a total mess, the next 24 hours is really going to suck
Stay strong - hoping for the best!
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Bo has had ACL surgery and a couple tumors removed. Rot/ lab mix. Heíll be 11 in a month but is still going strong. Luckily for us we have a swimming pool which he absolutely loves and itís great low impact exercise.

Iíll be thinking very positive thoughts for a full recovery!!


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Thanks so much guys, he needs all the good vibes he can get as there was a slight complication this morning.

Once they put him under and shaved him for surgery they saw he had a slight skin infection on his belly, it wasn't near where the incision would be, but it does increase his chances of getting an infection post-op, which is already a slight concern going in and the main thing I've been told you need to monitor in the first couple weeks.

So they said I had two options, to wake him up, take him home and treat it with antibiotics for a couple weeks and then go back for the surgery, or to go ahead and do it now and the chances of an infection go from about 10% that all dogs have, to about 20%.

Medically, waiting would be the best option, but had to weigh it against how much he's been struggling to get around the last few weeks, while not trying to slow down at all. As well as that next week is a lot easier/better for me to take the full week off of work to be able to watch over him like a hawk.

I felt eliminating the risk of another injury from hopping around on 3 legs, plus that I think I can provide a better watchful eye over him this next week than I might be able to do a couple weeks from now, made it worth the extra 10% risk of infection.

It absolutely crushed me to make the decision, as I wasn't positive it was the right one, but there were negatives to each side, and the surgeon even said if it was a bad enough idea to go through with the surgery instead of putting it off, she wouldn't have even given me the choice.

Man do I hope I made the right call, I'd never be able to forgive myself if I didn't.

So please, all the positive thoughts you guys can send, the better.

Thanks so much!!!
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So I've been doing even more to get the house ready for him to come home tomorrow, have not only vacuumed the room he'll mostly be in like 5 times to pick up as much hair/dust/etc as possible.

I've probably spent a good hour+ on my hands and knees "raking" up the carpet with my hands to get all the hair and stuff that the vacuum can't pick up.

My goal is to keep the area as clean as remotely possible, even if it doesn't actually do much to help keep the wound clean, at least I feel a little better knowing I've done as much as I can on my end.
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I will say that you are doing more for your dog than most owners would ever do. I've heard of owners putting dogs down while facing less than this. You love your dog and are doing everything you can so no matter what, stay positive and know that you are doing 100% right by your dog and he knows it. Don't dare to beat yourself up over anything that might happen.
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I will say that you are doing more for your dog than most owners would ever do. I've heard of owners putting dogs down while facing less than this. You love your dog and are doing everything you can so no matter what, stay positive and know that you are doing 100% right by your dog and he knows it. Don't dare to beat yourself up over anything that might happen.
Appreciate the kind words, can't wait to see him again tomorrow.

He was there during my recovery from surgery last fall, never left my side, now it's my turn to return the favor to him.
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He seems to be doing okay, finally ate some food about an hour ago for the first time since the surgery.

He does not like the cone and isnít used to walking with it yet, keeps bumping into things and getting caught up since heís not used to it being there yet.

Mostly just been sleeping for the last 6+ hours since getting home, I plan on keeping him as drugged up for the next two weeks as is safe for him to keep him out of it and just let the wound heal.




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Positive thoughts being sent your way man, I hope he is doing OK.

I never used the cone with Lilly Belle, luckily she's a bulldog and couldn't reach her leg even if she wanted to, ha ha ha...
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Thanks guys, he’s definately more active today, needed to give him one of the anti-anxiety pills to knock him out since he just kept getting up and wanting to move around, despite barely able to walk much haha.

I keep second guessing whether or not things are “normal” or need to be a concern towards an infection.

How am I supposed to know if something is a normal amount of redness or if it’s to the point of needing to get it looked at?!?!?

I think they should really work on making a pamphlet to take home of what like normal and what is cause of concern
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Thanks guys, heís definately more active today, needed to give him one of the anti-anxiety pills to knock him out since he just kept getting up and wanting to move around, despite barely able to walk much haha.

I keep second guessing whether or not things are ďnormalĒ or need to be a concern towards an infection.

How am I supposed to know if something is a normal amount of redness or if itís to the point of needing to get it looked at?!?!?

I think they should really work on making a pamphlet to take home of what like normal and what is cause of concern
If the cone of shame seems to be irritable to him, you might look at the one that is like a airplane pillow. My dog is two weeks from initial surgery, and the cone of shame really bothered her and her peripheral vision. We switched to the pillow version(basically it a blow up pillow around their neck) and it made all the difference in her.
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