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Old 04-13-2018, 01:34 PM   #426
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TRADE ALERT:

Dallas Trades:
Tarek Cohen RB

Gunshow Trades:
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:39 PM   #427
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TRADE ALERT:

Dallas Trades:
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Old 04-13-2018, 07:35 PM   #428
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ESPN is down for maintenance. Putting a hold on all trades until it's back up. Will make an announcement when it is back.

Trade in 427 is on pause, I apologize for the poor timing. Again, I will make an announcement when trades are reopen, I believe it will be less than a few days if they are just updating the rookie pool.

On that note, if the rookie pool shows up as Free Agents, this should go without saying, but DO NOT ADD THEM TO YOUR ROSTERS. That will be taken care of with the draft.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:35 AM   #429
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I call Barkley....Im sure he'll fall to 1-10 anyway

This might be a good time to open up discussion on 2019 draft picks. I know we spoke and you mentioned concern about getting commitments from all members to be able to trade 1 year in advance.

Being all in and would love to see this go 10++years, I would love to have the flexibility to trade next years picks once a season ends. Even if that means paying for the following season at that time. Especially when the draft rolls around and I need to simply move picks out for roster space, etc.

I just wanted to open this up and get everyone's thoughts on this. Couple questions for you commish if we continue without changes.

1. At what point would we be allowed to move 2019 picks? 2018 Season start? During 2018 draft?

2. When can we pay for this upcoming season?

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Old 04-14-2018, 01:31 PM   #430
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I've talked to some members on here about shifting the 3 year commitment to 5 years, everyone I talked to so far has been "all-in" and on board with extension. The reason for wanting to extend is to keep people from playing this like a 3 year keeper league that they can ditch after the required time. To be clear, I don't think anyone is doing that, but I'd like to take preventative measures to keep that from happening for the good of the league. I've also talked to people that are interested in moving future picks, but in order to feel comfortable doing that I would need an increased commitment level from all the owners.

If anyone here has a problem with extending the commitment from 3 years to 5 years, please post in the thread with reasons so we can discuss it. Again, we signed up for a dynasty league which in theory shouldn't end, we'd just replace dead members :P I would say that if someone wanted to leave after the 5 year period, they would just be required to find a replacement deemed suitable by the commissioner and/or league and if we are having difficulty finding a replacement due to the team being run into the ground, they'd be on the hook for fees or partial fees until a replacement is found. I don't think we'd be looking to replace a lot of people, like I said I know from talking to many of you that you're all-in on this, I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page.

Now as far as future picks are concerned, do we want to require next years dues to be paid in order to trade picks, or is everyone being committed for 5 years a good enough commitment level? Negative feedback as a deterrent really only affects those who use this site for business. I know how about half of you feel, so I'd like to hear from the others that I don't hear from on a regular basis. My fear is that the teams that most likely need their future picks would be the ones most likely to trade them, this could start a heavy unbalancing of power, especially when owners don't take a realistic view of their teams. We're only starting year two right now, only a year removed from our startup, so the teams aren't so far apart, but after a few years of trades it could get ugly.

Please take a moment to chime in with your thoughts on the matters, I know this is a dictatorship league, but I want to know what YOU guys and gals want from the league. Also, if there are things that I could be doing better, please let me know. Feedback is welcomed, even if critical.

And to answer Rob's question about 2019 picks, it would definitely be post 2018 draft, possibly even after 1st game of the season if we don't make any changes.
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:41 PM   #431
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Old 04-14-2018, 04:35 PM   #432
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:49 AM   #433
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:35 PM   #434
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My plan was to only be in this league three years. It's not because of anything to do with the actual league itself, it is very well run, and is a fun group of owners. It's just that this is one of my more expensive leagues, and I think I just have more fun with redraft/keeper leagues, so would probably look for a cheaper dynasty league.

That being said, as someone who runs many leagues, I'm very sensitive to owners who throw off the league by not playing the right way. So while I did make some win-now type trades, a lot of that was based on my current roster construction. I am not going to manage this as a two-year league. I will still make moves as if I am staying long-term. At the end of the third year, if I still feel the desire to leave, I will seek out a replacement owner (with Commish's approval), and leave the team in as good of condition as possible for the short and long term. If I am unable to find a replacement, I will continue on as long as needed, and will manage it no differently.
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:00 PM   #435
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My plan was to only be in this league three years. It's not because of anything to do with the actual league itself, it is very well run, and is a fun group of owners. It's just that this is one of my more expensive leagues, and I think I just have more fun with redraft/keeper leagues, so would probably look for a cheaper dynasty league.

That being said, as someone who runs many leagues, I'm very sensitive to owners who throw off the league by not playing the right way. So while I did make some win-now type trades, a lot of that was based on my current roster construction. I am not going to manage this as a two-year league. I will still make moves as if I am staying long-term. At the end of the third year, if I still feel the desire to leave, I will seek out a replacement owner (with Commish's approval), and leave the team in as good of condition as possible for the short and long term. If I am unable to find a replacement, I will continue on as long as needed, and will manage it no differently.
Great post, thanks for the reply.

Still waiting to hear from some people. Please post or PM your thoughts.
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:37 AM   #436
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I really like what FFwiseguy said as well. That's great perspective for owners that are more on the 3 year time table and see how they feel then.

I have really grown to like the 24 hrs to trump trade aspect of this league. At first, I hated it, but have really come to enjoy and respect the balance it brings to the league; especially in dynasty.

Another case I'd like to make in regards to trading the following years picks is that..I think at the end of each season, as long as a member has paid (if that's agreed upon) for the following season, those picks are free to trade at that time. So you basically paying early to be able to trade those assets. (Note: your only unlocking the following seasons picks- no further) The balance is maintained with the trade trumping and that person is locked if for the next season financially. Helps get commish money early and incentivizes those who do pay early. I think this will also help educate us through experience on the value of picks as a lot of us, including myself, are new to dynasty and picks are ALWAYS the hardest thing the put a value on.

Maybe we try this now and give it a 1 year trial run to see how it works? So as soon as people pay for next season we have access to 2019 picks and then revisit this time next season and see how it went? Thoughts?

Also, I'm committed for 5 years
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Old 04-18-2018, 10:46 AM   #437
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I really like what FFwiseguy said as well. That's great perspective for owners that are more on the 3 year time table and see how they feel then.

I have really grown to like the 24 hrs to trump trade aspect of this league. At first, I hated it, but have really come to enjoy and respect the balance it brings to the league; especially in dynasty.

Another case I'd like to make in regards to trading the following years picks is that..I think at the end of each season, as long as a member has paid (if that's agreed upon) for the following season, those picks are free to trade at that time. So you basically paying early to be able to trade those assets. (Note: your only unlocking the following seasons picks- no further) The balance is maintained with the trade trumping and that person is locked if for the next season financially. Helps get commish money early and incentivizes those who do pay early. I think this will also help educate us through experience on the value of picks as a lot of us, including myself, are new to dynasty and picks are ALWAYS the hardest thing the put a value on.

Maybe we try this now and give it a 1 year trial run to see how it works? So as soon as people pay for next season we have access to 2019 picks and then revisit this time next season and see how it went? Thoughts?

Also, I'm committed for 5 years
Just wanted to address the picks/payment portion of this. I don't think there needs to be any incentive to pay early and definitely wouldn't want there to be an advantage for doing so. Also, as commish I'd like to get all the payments in around the same time instead of tracking people down. I also want to have as little of the league's money as possible in case I was hit by a bus or something. That's why I don't really want people to pay years in advance even though some expressed they were willing to do so.

I'm pretty firmly against trading of future picks right now. This is a lot of people's first dynasty experience and they are still sorting out the entire trades/values thing, I feel like allowing future pick trading will just lead to a faster imbalance. As a commissioner I'd really prefer a league with more parity. I could see maybe opening it up year 3 depending on the landscape of the league at that time, with all owners having a bit more experience then. That said, if 11 of you REALLY want to be able to do that, then it is something I would strongly consider, but my personal stance is against it at the moment.

Thanks to those who have taken a moment to post their thoughts, if you haven't, please do so when you get the chance. I'd really like to hear from everyone.

I have some thoughts on our draft that I'd like to run by everyone, but would like to hear from everyone on the 5 year thing first.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:23 PM   #438
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I am in for 5 yrs and if this comes up again I am in for 7 and 10 and 12 and 15 and 17 and 20 yrs

Great trade policy so far and definitely gives everyone a chance. I do not mind trading future picks if it were limted to being just one year in advance.

This group of folks seems like one of the better groups/league I have been in. Thank You all for that
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:38 PM   #439
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Just wanted to address the picks/payment portion of this. I don't think there needs to be any incentive to pay early and definitely wouldn't want there to be an advantage for doing so. Also, as commish I'd like to get all the payments in around the same time instead of tracking people down. I also want to have as little of the league's money as possible in case I was hit by a bus or something. That's why I don't really want people to pay years in advance even though some expressed they were willing to do so.



I'm pretty firmly against trading of future picks right now. This is a lot of people's first dynasty experience and they are still sorting out the entire trades/values thing, I feel like allowing future pick trading will just lead to a faster imbalance. As a commissioner I'd really prefer a league with more parity. I could see maybe opening it up year 3 depending on the landscape of the league at that time, with all owners having a bit more experience then. That said, if 11 of you REALLY want to be able to do that, then it is something I would strongly consider, but my personal stance is against it at the moment.



Thanks to those who have taken a moment to post their thoughts, if you haven't, please do so when you get the chance. I'd really like to hear from everyone.



I have some thoughts on our draft that I'd like to run by everyone, but would like to hear from everyone on the 5 year thing first.


Ok Iím with you on the payment aspect of it. Thatís makes sense and I donít really think about you being hit by a bus so it didnít come to mind lol.

That being said if the draft is agreed upon to be held around preseason, thats the point we are able to pay for the upcoming season and next yearís picks are allowed to be traded. About a month or so before league year start so that way youíre not holding money extended timeframe, but we still have the ability to trade picks for the upcoming year.

I would personally just like to have the flexibility to move my 3rd/4th rd picks to next year if I donít like anyone on the board when I draft.

Again, my opinion and Iíve been heard so thatís all wanted. A discussion. I respect wherever it goes from here and whatever decision is made.


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