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09-30-2012, 05:24 PM | #51 |
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So let me get this right, you have no argument of how Trout is having this Superior offensive year
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Here's a good article for your perusal. It's from a week or two ago, but it's points are still very relevant.
Mike Trout, Miguel Cabrera, and Measuring Value | FanGraphs Baseball |
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09-30-2012, 05:48 PM | #57 |
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And that's awesome. Tigers fans should be thrilled about that and Cabrera's awesome year. I just can't stand the blatant bias and homerism that some of these guys display. I realize it's not everyone.
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If Cabby doesnt get the mvp or triple crown the sun will still come out. If he loses the mvp to Trout I have no prblem with that. We're playoff bound and that's all that matters.
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09-30-2012, 08:27 PM | #59 | |
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Comparing fielding percentage on a 3B and CF is like comparing apples and oranges. They aren't even close to the same. If stolen bases and fielding percentage should win MVPs then Jose Reyes should have won like 4 already
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09-30-2012, 09:56 PM | #61 |
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There is a good chance IMO that Cabrera takes the M.V.P this year, with or without the Triple Crown. However by the numbers and the feats of the Fish this year I hope I'm wrong!
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09-30-2012, 10:13 PM | #62 |
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1st. Fielding percentage is NO way to measure defense. try UZR or defensive runs saved.
2nd. I suggest some of you guys read Keith Law's argument for Trout. He goes a little overboard, but the facts are there. 3rd. Trout could very well become the 3rd player EVER to go 30-50. That's a lot more rare than the triple crown. 4th. MVP should not be affected by how well their respective team is playing. That widely varies on their teammates, which would then make it a team award. Also, the Angels have a better record than Detroit. 5th. This means no disrespect to Cabrera whatsoever. He is having an amazing season, and would win the MVP in most years, but Trout is on a whole other planet. I have yet to hear a truly reasonable argument in Cabrera's favor. Also, don't discredit WAR, if you don't know what it is. Look it up and truly read into it before you decide its useless. It is not a "made up" stat. If you're thinking that way then every non counting stat is "made up." |
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2. Josh Hamilton had a superior season that year. Nothing to do with the postseason. Hamilton's WAR was 2.3 Wins higher (even if you dislike WAR, that is a significant difference) that season despite playing in 17 less games. He also had a higher OPS, provided slightly more value on the basepaths, and was solid in center field. Although, Cabrera had a very good case that year, and you could've had a solid argument for anyone of Cabrera, Hamilton, and Cano.
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hamilton 95 runs cabrera 111 runs hamilton 40 doubles cabrera 45 doubles hamilton 32 hrs cabrera 38 hrs hamilton 100 rbis cabrera 126 rbis hamilton 43 walks cabrera 89 walks hamilton 359 avg cabrera 328 avg hamilton 1.044 ops cabrera 1.042 ops and dont tell me its because of hamiltons outstanding defense lol, like i said making the playoffs matter to the voters |
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Hamilton wins in OPS, AVG, steals, and plays a much more difficult position. Cabrera wins in home runs, doubles, and walks. RBI's are irrelevant, and runs are generally a factor of who's hitting behind you (yes, that goes against Trout as well). Were not trying to say who will win here. If i had a bet, it would be Cabrera, but we are arguing who deserves it, and Trout is the best option. Also, defense is nothing to be overlooked. The Tigers were horrible in the 1st half largely because of a horrendous defense.
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What you said about defense just proves my point. They were bad because they had those players making mistakes in the field. What people dont get, is nobody is bashing anyone, were just saying how Trout is better. Doesn't mean Cabrera sucks. Lastly, Cabrera's defense this year has been much better than expected, but it is still slightly below league average. Fielding percentage is outdated. All advanced defensive metrics show that Cabrera has been worth negative value to the Tigers with his defense. Yes, Cabrera is a good fielder with a very good arm, but what kills him is that he doesn't have good range for a third baseman.
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Shocker that a Angels collector/fan would think Trout deserves to win MVP. I'm a Tiger fan but also a realist and hands down this vote should never be close when Cabrera wins it.
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Just because im a fan doesn't mean I'm biased. I fully support Verlander or Price for Cy Young over Weaver, and I don't believe Vlad or Colon should have won their MVP and Cy Young's respectively.
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And for the record I don't have a horse in this race. I don't collect either player and I'm a Mets fan. I'm just a baseball fan with a good knowledge of advanced metrics and a decent idea of how to measure value. Trout had the better year. |
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09-30-2012, 11:44 PM | #75 |
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If Cabrera wins, it won't and SHOULDN'T be close. If the voters are remotely sane, Trout will win comfortably.
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