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08-12-2018, 11:44 AM | #1 |
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Star Wars cards dead?
I haven't been around for decades, but this seems like the slowest I've ever seen. The only interesting cards that are popping up are from Probstein on eBay. I feel like any cards that I've purchased aren't worth nearly as much as I've paid in the last two years. Maybe we need to get some new blood into the system? I'm sure there are fans out there that don't know that these cards even exist. I've been a life long fan, and I only found out 2 1/2 years ago about them. Is this ride over? Cause it sure feels like it.
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08-12-2018, 11:46 AM | #2 |
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Way too many releases and over production
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08-12-2018, 11:55 AM | #3 | |
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But generally yes, base autos and most sketches are slow moving. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk star wars hit tracker spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk
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08-12-2018, 01:16 PM | #4 |
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Used to bust 5-10 cases of everything prior to Masterworks series 1.......now...nada. There really is nothing that interests me anymore.
Also the ROI on SW is invisible now. Nothing to be made. I do miss the old days though before over production, Group breakers busting non sports stuff and better auto lists/sketches. Blame Disney? |
08-12-2018, 01:55 PM | #5 |
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it’s different for sure.
A lot of people have left imo or they just buy high end singles Just the first masterwork 2014? Half my sketch cards sold for 150-200 Base to 10 25 sold for 40-60 bucks Topps has to make all these products to pay Disney It’s just to much imo It used to be best roi secret in hobby Now it’s tough there are no rcs and know way to play better to make cards hot |
08-12-2018, 02:00 PM | #6 |
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It’s much more than the cards. Look at the merch rotting on shelves like toys, legos, etc.
Some are happy with the direction of the franchise, but MANY aren’t and have decided to move on. The original cast fueled products for years. But not nearly as many care about collecting the new cast. |
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08-12-2018, 02:41 PM | #8 |
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I'd debate you on that. You go to a convention and you see so many young girls dressed up as Rey. You see a good amount of Kylo Ren's on Halloween. As far as the actors go, the main four have all found consistent work and success outside of the Star Wars movies (Adam Driver seems to be breaking out right now). I think overall, the issue is memorabilia is just not what it once was. Take for example Pop Century. I'm getting a ton of cards for $20 and under of some pretty decent names. The ones I haven't gotten, I'm sure in a week or two I will land. I can't think of another franchise that is incredibly white hot right now. Giants like Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Star Wars, and even a bit of Marvel are all popular franchises that don't seem to have a lot of fan support outside of watching on TV and in theaters.
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08-12-2018, 03:15 PM | #9 |
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I really don’t mind the new movies, but the collecting side has been played out a long time ago. A good portion of the sw and marvel collectors are sports guys Moving into non sports .
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08-12-2018, 03:20 PM | #10 |
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It’s a great point
100 percent of my connection is first 3 movies I feel nothing for new ones. I like them but not same |
08-12-2018, 03:54 PM | #11 |
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Zach quit buying, hence secondary market is what it is. Simple as that. Sure others still buy but those who have been doing this a long time know who and what I’m talking about. Plates would never sell for less than $99 etc etc. I miss busting SW but don’t miss losing $.
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08-12-2018, 04:02 PM | #12 |
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Being a fan of a movie franchise (or single trilogy) and possessing the “Collector Gene” are totally independent from each other. Collectors have always made up a small percentage of a fan base. No different with sports where you have a baseball stadium full of fans but maybe 10-20% own even a single card.
IMO Star Wars cards are not dead. Cards are a very niche part of Star Wars collecting, always have been. There is just too much merchandise for anyone (except like 2 guys) to collect everything. “Hits” have priced many out of the box breaking game. Take hits out of boxes and price boxes at $30-40 and set building will be as healthy as it ever was. Too many people base the quality of a set release on autos alone and that’s a shame but it all comes back to box price which is a direct result of the cost of obtaining the autos. I still have hope for the future of our little hobby because of the number of individuals that I sell to/trade with. If it was the same group of 100 people every release there would be concern but fortunately that’s not what I see. |
08-12-2018, 04:05 PM | #13 |
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It is the same thing with ALL non sports card, too many sketches, over production, and for Star Wars too many autograph stickers. I am amazed at how slow cards are moving. I completely got away from Topps Star Wars. I mean there are sooooo many sets coming out every year it's mind boggling. Also with conventions it's easier and more affordable than ever to get in person autographs.
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08-12-2018, 07:21 PM | #14 |
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I think it is a mix of things stated here. The two that seem the most obvious are over production and the age of collectors. Just like sports cards, I don't see the younger generation "collecting" things as much. The collectors all grew up wth Luke, Han, and Leia. That is what drives the collecting world. How many of autos of those three need to be made so that all of the "old school" collectors have one. Many people stated that they were done after Steller.
Star Wars market has been trending just like sports cards and it is all about group breaks. Problem with IP stuff like this is that there isn't much of "rookies" to keep the hype going. Solo could have helped, but none of the big names are signing. As it sits, every set that comes out will be 20 more Rey, Kylo, Finn, Han, Etc. autos and their prices will steadily drop. At some point there will be a big difference in price between a "bad set" and "good set". Steller prices may hold, but you can get a Galctic Files auto of the same character for half the price. |
08-12-2018, 07:58 PM | #15 |
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Stellar prices haven't held. The last 3 Fords on ebay were 1700 and under. Before stellar, a 1700 bid was almost laughable.
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08-13-2018, 07:36 AM | #16 |
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Honestly if it wasn't for new movies, star wars would've been dead earlier because there's only so many images to use.
I understand Clive Revill only has one image as the emperor, but maybe just stop having him sign then? But then you have George Takei as Lok Durd from clone wars and they used the same image for two sets in a row for the same signer which makes it more confusing when the card design/ border didn't change lol. I also think most younger people aren't thinking of cards really. Even toy collectors are most focused on Funko pops than traditional figures nowadays. When Ep 7 was announced I feared how much I'd spend on the toys but then Hasbro came out with lackluster figured with stupid accessories that made the Episode 1 launch seem state of the art. They are trying to right the ship but lost a ton of buyers in the process. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk star wars hit tracker spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk
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08-13-2018, 08:12 AM | #17 | |
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-not liking new direction of the franchise -horrible retail distribution -over saturation of the market - too many buying option (funko, lego sideshow figuarts, topps, hasbro, comics, books, gentle giants art prints, lego, vintage) -redundancy (how many Fisher autos and 3.75 Vader figures does one really need/want?) cost, short attention span of buyers (moving on to whatever is new and hot) so many factors are contributing Personally speaking I have stopped with a lot of Topps product (will just pick up certain characters and most of them are actually from sequel trilogy) stopped majority of Hasbro (will do 6 inch black series) but have focused more on art (Mondo prints, BottleNeck Gallery, reaching out directly to artists for prints and original art) and AFA graded loose vintage. |
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08-13-2018, 08:15 AM | #18 |
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If anything can breathe new life into the Star Wars non sports IMO it is Galaxies. Seeing new images in art form for a base set can/should/will really generate new demand and interest. Especially for base! I completely agree with Vargaman that new images are needed, especially for base / parallels.
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08-13-2018, 08:31 AM | #19 | |
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Young kids, boys and girls, love all the new characters, and those are the ones they'll grow up with.
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08-13-2018, 10:15 AM | #20 | |
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Hell, even the prequel love is only finally turning around for some people after 20 years. Driver definitely has the biggest presence right now, Boyega needs to avoid more Pacific Rim sequels or being type-cast as a sci-fi guy only, unless he's happy with it. Daisy I haven't seen much of since that train movie but I'm sure she'll have more time after her Star Wars contract. One big thing that'd help is Disney allowing them to finally do meet and greets at the cons.
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08-13-2018, 12:05 PM | #21 | |
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Also, Pacific Rim Uprising was awesome, fite me. |
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08-13-2018, 12:38 PM | #22 |
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Issac and Dom are going to be around for a long time, but they aren't signing cards, so that's not helping our cause here. Even adding in the Solo talent isn't going to bring in new collectors here. I think as a community, we need to somehow raise awareness to other fans. Topps brings in sports guys, but they are just gambling on our cases, they don't know the characters names most of the time. We need real fans to become aware that they could get a nice Fisher auto card or JEJ. I feel like if we don't grow that in part will also help kill the hobby.
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08-13-2018, 12:59 PM | #23 |
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Sadly TLJ really did a number on the franchise. I'm not sure it will ever recover from it. This doesn't bode well for collecting it with long term value in mind. For collectors looking for a bargain, it's probably going to be awesome if you don't care about ROI.
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08-13-2018, 01:21 PM | #24 | |
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A few thousand people whining online (who will continue to spend money on the franchise) won't even make a dent in the bottom line. I firmly believe the lackluster performance of Solo had nothing to do with the backlash over TLJ. And if it did, those "fans" are only hurting themselves because Solo was awesome.
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