Willie Mays Auto Price?? Why are these cheap?

Mcgwirefans · 10-02-2016, 08:17 PM

Just picked this up for $17.50 shipped. It seems legit with the hologram. Why are these going so low? Seemed like these were $100 or more last time I looked

Willie Mays Autographed San Francisco Giants 8x10 Photo w Mays Holo COA | eBay

awz50 · 10-02-2016, 08:26 PM

Because people are 99.9% those are all forged.

awz50 · 10-02-2016, 08:26 PM

One of the thoughts is someone got there hands on a huge stack of those holos OR they have been fake the whole time

itradeerrors · 10-02-2016, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcgwirefans

Just picked this up for $17.50 shipped. It seems legit with the hologram. Why are these going so low? Seemed like these were $100 or more last time I looked

Willie Mays Autographed San Francisco Giants 8x10 Photo w Mays Holo COA | eBay

Because a boat load of fake autographs with the Mays hologram have showed up lately.

Mcgwirefans · 10-02-2016, 08:27 PM

I've never heard of this being in question?

Braves_Fan · 10-02-2016, 08:36 PM

COA and Holograms don't mean anything anymore. I only buy from sources such as PSA/DNA, James Spence, UDA, Steiner, Mounted Memories, Fields of Dreams for example that I have at least heard of and I can trust.

Skipscards · 10-02-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Braves_Fan

COA and Holograms don't mean anything anymore. I only buy from sources such as PSA/DNA, James Spence, UDA, Steiner, Mounted Memories, Fields of Dreams, Skipscards for example that I have at least heard of and I can trust.

Thanks man.

Mcgwirefans · 10-02-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Braves_Fan

COA and Holograms don't mean anything anymore. I only buy from sources such as PSA/DNA, James Spence, UDA, Steiner, Mounted Memories, Fields of Dreams for example that I have at least heard of and I can trust.

I wouldn't ethier but thought this was straight from his company

awz50 · 10-02-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Braves_Fan

COA and Holograms don't mean anything anymore. I only buy from sources such as PSA/DNA, James Spence, UDA, Steiner, Mounted Memories, Fields of Dreams for example that I have at least heard of and I can trust.

SAY HEY - WILLIE MAYS HOLOGRAMS - Autograph Live

Some good info here

SDcardguy24 · 10-02-2016, 08:41 PM

i recently read that willie's former agent stole a bunch of the holograms a few years ago

There's a lot of questions on the photos, which is why PSA and JSA don't even authenticate them anymore. I think more people are realizing it as there have been hundreds on auction the last few months, many sold in lots of like 5+

Mcgwirefans · 10-02-2016, 09:02 PM

So chances are this is fake?

markinca · 10-02-2016, 09:08 PM

"If it seems to good to be true.... it probably is."

awz50 · 10-02-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcgwirefans

So chances are this is fake?

Yes. But you never know.

Bader · 10-02-2016, 09:19 PM

Along with the increase of the fake 1996 Topps Mays autos that are flooding the market now as well

lamiwe21 · 10-02-2016, 09:20 PM

Rule of thumb with Mays is it needs to be on a older item ( Think card or American League Rawlings Baseball)

Skipscards · 10-02-2016, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lamiwe21

Rule of thumb with Mays is it needs to be on a older item ( Think card or American League Rawlings Baseball)

Or tattoo

89Giants · 10-02-2016, 10:51 PM

It's 100% fake. PSA will not authenticate it either. There are a bunch of fake items with Bonds & Mays holograms on them. When bonds & hoskins had their falling out, hoskins had a ton of the holograms and he or someone he knew began producing forgeries and just slapping the holograms on them. The Mays "the catch" is one of the most common ones I see on ebay. They never go for more than $20 now. You can even ask psa they will tell you they no longer pass them.

JohnRyno · 10-03-2016, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Because people are 99.9% those are all forged.

Like Elaine's orgasms, innit' Fam?

Stat Monsters · 10-03-2016, 01:13 AM

In the world of autograph collecting and high end memorabilia, if it looks too good to be true in price, odds are it probably is too good to be true and is a forgery, fake or somehow misrepresented or misinterpreted. There are some good deals out there, but far less steals.

rj.cataldo · 10-03-2016, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by awz50

SAY HEY - WILLIE MAYS HOLOGRAMS - Autograph Live

Some good info here

Thanks for sharing. I've never heard of this before today but haven't followed mays autos. I now wonder about my Mays 16x20 the catch that I purchased from Steiner several years back (maybe 6-8). Also has the say hey holo. I believe they acquire some of their pieces from dealers.

I've never felt great about the say hey holo
Or any player exclusive holo for that matter because they just don't put the diligence into managing them and they seem prone to forgeries (i.e. Bonds)

As for buying from reputable sources. That is what I do (or in person at shows), but even stand up companies sell fakes. Usually because they buy certain pieces from trusted dealers. Steiner does this occasionally (though I don't know of any fakes) and field of dreams at least used to. In fact I have a fake DiMaggio that was in my collection for years that I bought maybe 20 years ago. About 3-5 years ago I looked at it closer and didn't look right. Brought it to jsa and it failed. Still have the field of dream sticker and coa.

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rednecksims · 10-03-2016, 03:53 AM

Steiner is only good for signings they hold. If it has a sticker from another company and theirs you are gambling as if you are buying off ebay. They just mark it up 500% to give you assurances.

tonedef2oo8 · 11-15-2016, 09:21 AM

At the white plains show is where I first noticed these forgeries a few years back there was a guy with a stack of like 300 selling them for 20 bucks . Right at that moment I realized they all forgeries. He just had them all loose on his table taking in the cash from suckers

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Mcgwirefans Banned - PBM Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 162 Zp333	Willie Mays Auto Price?? Why are these cheap? Just picked this up for $17.50 shipped. It seems legit with the hologram. Why are these going so low? Seemed like these were $100 or more last time I looked Willie Mays Autographed San Francisco Giants 8x10 Photo w Mays Holo COA \| eBay

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awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 33,395 awz50	Because people are 99.9% those are all forged. __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 248/351 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

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awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 33,395 awz50	One of the thoughts is someone got there hands on a huge stack of those holos OR they have been fake the whole time __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 248/351 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

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89Giants Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Northern California Posts: 819	It's 100% fake. PSA will not authenticate it either. There are a bunch of fake items with Bonds & Mays holograms on them. When bonds & hoskins had their falling out, hoskins had a ton of the holograms and he or someone he knew began producing forgeries and just slapping the holograms on them. The Mays "the catch" is one of the most common ones I see on ebay. They never go for more than $20 now. You can even ask psa they will tell you they no longer pass them. __________________ Collecting Barry Bonds and SF Giants Tradelist: http://samstradingpost.com/trader/bonds25.aspx

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rednecksims Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 7,697 southernsportscardsstore southernsportscardsstore	Steiner is only good for signings they hold. If it has a sticker from another company and theirs you are gambling as if you are buying off ebay. They just mark it up 500% to give you assurances. __________________ http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/southernsportscards/library/?sort=6&page=1 Also check my COMC. Even if you don't use COMC I can have cards shipped.

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Mcgwirefans Banned - PBM Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 162 Zp333	I've never heard of this being in question?

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Braves_Fan Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,624	COA and Holograms don't mean anything anymore. I only buy from sources such as PSA/DNA, James Spence, UDA, Steiner, Mounted Memories, Fields of Dreams for example that I have at least heard of and I can trust.

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SDcardguy24 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9,262	i recently read that willie's former agent stole a bunch of the holograms a few years ago There's a lot of questions on the photos, which is why PSA and JSA don't even authenticate them anymore. I think more people are realizing it as there have been hundreds on auction the last few months, many sold in lots of like 5+

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Mcgwirefans Banned - PBM Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 162 Zp333	So chances are this is fake?

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markinca Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,936 MarkInCA	"If it seems to good to be true.... it probably is."

10-02-2016, 09:19 PM	#14
Bader Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: PA Posts: 2,135	Along with the increase of the fake 1996 Topps Mays autos that are flooding the market now as well

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lamiwe21 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 544	Rule of thumb with Mays is it needs to be on a older item ( Think card or American League Rawlings Baseball)

10-03-2016, 01:13 AM	#19
Stat Monsters Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,504	In the world of autograph collecting and high end memorabilia, if it looks too good to be true in price, odds are it probably is too good to be true and is a forgery, fake or somehow misrepresented or misinterpreted. There are some good deals out there, but far less steals.

11-15-2016, 09:21 AM	#22
tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 7,335	At the white plains show is where I first noticed these forgeries a few years back there was a guy with a stack of like 300 selling them for 20 bucks . Right at that moment I realized they all forgeries. He just had them all loose on his table taking in the cash from suckers __________________ *“ I am very good at calculating stuff. 160+60=210 “*