Pwcc is becoming an ebay problem

[rustyisin]

Getting too big.
Buyers now waiting for their auctions and not buying elsewhere.
Pwcc could just break away from ebay and start their own site soon.
Ebay better be careful.

[thenwhatjk]

Mm nah

[callou2131]

If they opened up a site strictly for sports collectibles, and had lower fees than ebay, I think they could do quite well

[gottagitdemjs]

They'll never have the bankroll to offer Ebay's buyer guarantees. Why would they want to? Ebay covers all of the risky parts of the online sales process, and they get a discount from Ebay to use their services because they are a high volume seller. All PWCC has to worry about is shipping. Their listings include absolutely no information about what is being sold that would set them apart from other listings, just a couple of pics. Really, it's the perfect racket. They are making a killing as a glorified go-between.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

Getting too big.
Buyers now waiting for their auctions and not buying elsewhere.
Pwcc could just break away from ebay and start their own site soon.
Ebay better be careful.

Doubt it happens.

PWCC is paying eBay basically nothing in fees or FVF.

They are able to negotiate at will and drive people to eBay's website to buy from other sellers. eBay is covering other costs and risks and able to absorb them in a way PWCC would not want to exposed themselves.

[Prenticles]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Doubt it happens.

PWCC is paying eBay basically nothing in fees or FVF.

They are able to negotiate at will and drive people to eBay's website to buy from other sellers. eBay is covering other costs and risks and able to absorb them in a way PWCC would not want to exposed themselves.

A wonderful relationship for them

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by callou2131

If they opened up a site strictly for sports collectibles, and had lower fees than ebay, I think they could do quite well

Their fees initially would have to be more based on the rates that eBay charges them currently due to the cost of setting up their website and advertising etc etc.

[IronMonkey415]

Main reason why I pay .50 cent to add the subtitle on my auction.
CHOKE ON IT PWCC. CHOKE ON IT.

[rustyisin]

Originally Posted by gottagitdemjs

They'll never have the bankroll to offer Ebay's buyer guarantees. Why would they want to? Ebay covers all of the risky parts of the online sales process, and they get a discount from Ebay to use their services because they are a high volume seller. All PWCC has to worry about is shipping. Their listings include absolutely no information about what is being sold that would set them apart from other listings, just a couple of pics. Really, it's the perfect racket. They are making a killing as a glorified go-between.

Wrong. Paypal gives the coverage, not ebay.
Pwcc could still use paypal since ebay and paypal are now independently operated.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

Wrong. Paypal gives the coverage, not ebay.
Pwcc could still use paypal since ebay and paypal are now independently operated.

Global Shipping Programs.

Calling when a Buyer returns wrong item and gets a refund to have it reversed.

Feedback disputes.

Etc.

That is eBay.

[rustyisin]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Global Shipping Programs.

Calling when a Buyer returns wrong item and gets a refund to have it reversed.

Feedback disputes.

Etc.

That is eBay.

That is also what paypal does.
A pwcc website auction site is coming.
Why should they pay paypal FVF when the have all the power?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

That is also what paypal does.
A pwcc website auction site is coming.
Why should they pay paypal FVF when the have all the power?

They pay a lower fee with PayPal and eBay.

Paypal will not reverse false returns for large sellers like eBay will.

Paypal doesn't mess with feedback or do global shipping.

The cost and advertisement is too incredible that their fees would jump.

PWCC and Probstein pay such a low fee to PayPal and Ebay it is cost-prohibitive for them to go elsewhere at this juncture.

[Goldenflyer]

So Your saying people only shop them any more ?> then wouldn't it be smart to just consign with them then ?

[ninjacookies]

Wouldn't be surprised if Ebay and PWCC have some sort of contract just like a professional athlete where they agree to list their items exclusively on ebay in return for the obvious frontpage promotions/whoreage and annual stocks or ownership perks. I mean, PWCC operators are already swimming in the dough, and I think Ebay knows they need them more than PWCC needs the site.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Wouldn't be surprised if Ebay and PWCC have some sort of contract just like a professional athlete where they agree to only list their items on ebay in return for annual stocks or ownership perks. I mean, PWCC operators are already swimming in the dough, and I think Ebay knows they need them more than PWCC needs the site.

There are corporations like Target and Disney that do more business on eBay than PWCC. They are not getting an ownership stake.

They do however get such a discount that eBay is able to prevent them from going elsewhere.

[trixstar]

They would be idiots to leave Ebay

[rustyisin]

Originally Posted by Goldenflyer

So Your saying people only shop them any more ?> then wouldn't it be smart to just consign with them then ?

Yes, if you need to sell asap then
consign with pwcc.
I like to sell my own stuff and im not desperate for money.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

There are corporations like Target and Disney that do more business on eBay than PWCC. They are not getting an ownership stake.

They do however get such a discount that eBay is able to prevent them from going elsewhere.

I think it's more the market share of their particular segment.

Target and Disney may do more business on an overall scale, but PWCC is most likely the largest and most recognizable name in their sports card segment.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think it's more the market share of their particular segment.

Target and Disney may do more business on an overall scale, but PWCC is most likely the largest and most recognizable name in their sports card segment.

Which is such a small piece of the pie they aren't getting that much from eBay.

The money they save on FVF and Listing Fees and able to drive more customers to them is more than enough.

[Branesergen]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think it's more the market share of their particular segment.

Target and Disney may do more business on an overall scale, but PWCC is most likely the largest and most recognizable name in their sports card segment.

You realize sportscards is about 5% of ebay right? Dildos have a bigger market than ALL of sportscards.

[nicepakryan]

Originally Posted by Goldenflyer

So Your saying people only shop them any more ?> then wouldn't it be smart to just consign with them then ?

Great point!! If you have a high end card, they are the way to go. Just takes a while to get your money. I had them sell 1 card for me and it took around 6-8 weeks (from the time I mailed it to them) to get my money. After card sells, they wait 10 days before they mail you a check. They also offer PayPal payment if you are needing money quicker.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Branesergen

You realize sportscards is about 5% of ebay right? Dildos have a bigger market than ALL of sportscards.

Perhaps you should actually read what I typed. I stated that pwcc monopolizes on the mid to high end sportscard segment.

And you do realize that even 5 percent of a multi billion dollar industry isn't exactly chump change, right?

[rustyisin]

If im pwcc I take a good hard look at how much money I'm forking over to ebay every month.
Honestly, dude could probably double his income by taking his clients to his own site. Bet you he's thought of it.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

If im pwcc I take a good hard look at how much money I'm forking over to ebay every month.
Honestly, dude could probably double his income by taking his clients to his own site. Bet you he's thought of it.

Double his money how exactly?

His eBay fees are dramatically less than the average sellers.

[Branesergen]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Wouldn't be surprised if Ebay and PWCC have some sort of contract just like a professional athlete where they agree to list their items exclusively on ebay in return for the obvious frontpage promotions/whoreage and annual stocks or ownership perks. I mean, PWCC operators are already swimming in the dough, and I think Ebay knows they need them more than PWCC needs the site.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Perhaps you should actually read what I typed. I stated that pwcc monopolizes on the mid to high end sportscard segment.

And you do realize that even 5 percent of a multi billion dollar industry isn't exactly chump change, right?

Sorry, I quoted the wrong paragraph. Yeah I realize 5% isn't chump change, but had I correctly quoted the proper one I could say ebay doesn't "need" PWCC. PWCC is a minimal player, about like 1 person in an office of 20.

Originally Posted by rustyisin

If im pwcc I take a good hard look at how much money I'm forking over to ebay every month.
Honestly, dude could probably double his income by taking his clients to his own site. Bet you he's thought of it.

There is no way. Try running your own site and getting hundreds of customers a day. Millions of dollars being funneled thru your accounts a year, all the issues that come with that type of volume. Theres a reason sites like ebay are publicly owned companies. Could PWCC actually do it? Absolutely but they'd be in the red for a few years before it took off, if it actually took off. They would have to drop hundreds of thousands in site development, branding and advertising. There is no way a sports card market could be profitable for what it would take.