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I know there's some traction on this in the other thread, but this is enough of a "thing" that it should be in a separate topic.
From what I've gleaned so far: -Evidence strongly suggests that Dak Prizm autos were signed with an auto pen (note the near-identical signature formats in the pics below). -BGS has refused to grade Dak Prizm autos in a few member submissions. -Panini has pulled/recalled/cancelled some redemptions. Feel free to post any additional pics of your own cards. This sucks. ![]()
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This is all on panini. The cards should have been checked. This is unacceptable IMO. What dak did was wrong i get that, but it all goes on panini because they didn't check the cards. I miss topps
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How bout them cowboys?
This isn't good. Makes you question any sort of auto or game used material authenticated by panini
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This will be the future of autographs. All they have to do is design some software for the autopen to have slightly detectable differences in each auto so there is never 2 identical ones. Card companies will have to start filming autograph sessions or something. Pretty sad that if this was done by Dak or with his knowledge, that he actually thought he would get away with this. Is he not aware of the world famous BO detectives?
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This is a disaster. I feel horrible for the guy with the 4 gold vinyl autos. Panini is screwed here. First Dak doesn't want to sign stickers. Long wait. Now Dak/ his personal team using an autopen. Its obvious he doesn't like to/ want to sign and he's a big enough star now to just blow it all off. I don't think this ends well.
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What a joke of a "hobby" Can't wait to sell off all my garbage this year. I will only keep some Falcons but the rest will be gone. You can't trust crap in this so called "hobby". Just a bunch of degenerates and scammers from the top to the bottom. I think I will collect only NY Giants memorabilia from this point forward. I trust the Manning's
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This looks bad on both Panini and Dak.
I'm no legal scholar but if... Dak signed a contract for monetary compensation in exchange for his signature then he not only breached his contract but I believe he also may have committed fraud. I would be shocked if Panini didnt have specific language surrounding auto-pens. If this was done without Dak's knowledge, then this is an embarrassing oversight on Panini and could have HUGE ramifications on the hobby. How many more hits can Panini take to the brand? This isn't a small story.
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Thanks for starting OP. I have the card pictured last above. Really don't know how to feel about all this other than wtf Panini.
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These are the long awaited flagship auto's of the hottest rookie in the league and Panini just sent out fraudulent copies of his autograph. Every single Prizm Dak auto is now (and will be) of questionable authenticity for the life of the card. BGS and PSA have a massive headache as well...
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Horrible for the hobby anyways. All that money spent on his cards. |
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I demanded a replacement, after this I'm done breaking boxes, just gonna collect my PC Cards.
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The thread below is a great read, but of particular value is this chart (post #62) showing the "evolution" of Shaq's signature: http://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1015371 ![]()
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Reminds me of a rhyme.
Auto-pen strikes again. I recall Pro-Line having an "autograph" give away if you sent in like 10-20 pack wrappers from cards. Well the "auto" you received was an auto-pen. Nice. |
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They're not going to "reprint" the Dak prizm cards like some people are saying. You will get a replacement. These prizm cards are ruined. The printing plates are gone, and i guarantee you there is no way they will "reprint" or "remake" the cards. That process would be unbelievably hard, the cards that are signed with autopen are basically worthless and just like in other cases, you will be forced to choose or accept a panini replacement. I guarantee it.
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NFLPA needs to step in as well as Dak can jeopardize deals for other players by doing this
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And you people still buy Panini football products. Takkarist McKinley autos are faked, Dak autos are completely mishandled, fake game-used relics in FLAWLESS. I mean come on now. Our vote in this hobby is with our dollar. Stop buying and they will listen. Keep blowing smoke on forums, yet go out and buy Elite when it first drops is doing NOTHING to solve this problem. We obviously have an issue with Panini in the football aspect of this hobby and they know they can #@#@#@#@ up because stupid, blind, sheep collectors will keep buying cases regardless of the screw ups they've had. 1 screw up, maybe forgivable. But 3?! 1 being of the most sought after rookie auto of the 2016 products and another being fake relics in one of the most expensive products of the year? Come on people. Stop being sheep and realize the ONLY way to change is to do something about it. Buying their products just shows that us as collectors are okay with what they are doing and how they aren't doing anything to solve it or rectify it. Panini being the only football product company is the WORST thing that's happened to the hobby. The mistakes they keep making are proof enough.
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Upper Deck and Topps have had the same issues but when is the last time? And Topps and Upper Deck never had these many issues in a short amount of time. It's careless and ridiculous that fake relics are in a $1400 product and autos might be faked in a $150 product and the most expensive and collected rookie auto of 2016 is so mishandled like this. But, people will still pay over $100 for their new products so don't expect ANYTHING to change.
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Buy singles instead of the boxes. Or collect Baseball or Hockey. Collectors that keep buying full prices Panini products are just adding to the problem.
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What a jerk. Seriously, stuff like this make it almost impossible to support these jerks and companies like Panini who let something like this through. What is this, the tenth or so fake scandal they've faced over the past few years? How can people continue to open product with them?
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Again I agree but how do you stop them? They don't care and just want get their fix. It's like trying to get a crackhead to put the pipe down.
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