Blowout Cards Forums
AD Heritage

Go Back   Blowout Cards Forums > BLOWOUTS HOBBY TALK > BASEBALL

Notices

BASEBALL Post your Baseball Cards Hobby Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-09-2019, 11:22 AM   #1
3124508 on COMC
BODA
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 9,355
Default ALERT: Trimmed PSA 10 2001 UD Reserve Pujols 1987/2500 Being Sold by PWCC

Buyer beware.

Formerly a BGS 8.5: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...bert-429073182
Pre-trimming sale: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ols-1929855833
PWCC Auction: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1961285





**NEW CARD FOUND**

2004 SP Authentic Chirography Triple Yogi Berra Johnny Bench Carlton Fisk AUTO 05/25 BGS 9- TRIMMED


Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rra-1907156866
Post: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1961347

Note disappearing dots in orange box and dot that moves to the edge in black box. Green box is for reference.




Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 04-10-2019 at 11:01 PM.
3124508 on COMC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:37 AM   #2
Cubsfanp
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,095
Default

So are we now just saying that when a BGS 8.5 turns into a PSA 10, it is 100% trimmed? There wouldn't be any chance the different grading companies or standards could impact the grade? What about if there were residue or cleaning needed on the surface?

And what are you pointing out in the image? It is so blurry there is little someone could see here.

I appreciate the work SuperDan has done in his threads, but those are clear cut. This one - not so much.
__________________
That. Just. Happened.
Cubsfanp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:37 AM   #3
fitefanSHO
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 826
Default

It's the like collusion delusion.

Every card now was hand trimmed by Putin lol
fitefanSHO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:38 AM   #4
3124508 on COMC
BODA
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 9,355
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
So are we now just saying that when a BGS 8.5 turns into a PSA 10, it is 100% trimmed? There wouldn't be any chance the different grading companies or standards could impact the grade? What about if there were residue or cleaning needed on the surface?

And what are you pointing out in the image? It is so blurry there is little someone could see here.

I appreciate the work SuperDan has done in his threads, but those are clear cut. This one - not so much.
You see half his bat disappear or nah?
3124508 on COMC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:38 AM   #5
Wiseguy917
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,556
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
So are we now just saying that when a BGS 8.5 turns into a PSA 10, it is 100% trimmed? There wouldn't be any chance the different grading companies or standards could impact the grade? What about if there were residue or cleaning needed on the surface?

And what are you pointing out in the image? It is so blurry there is little someone could see here.

I appreciate the work SuperDan has done in his threads, but those are clear cut. This one - not so much.

Grading is a scam
__________________
PSA is like a 70s Porn Star...They don’t care if it’s trimmed or not.

Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets
Wiseguy917 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:39 AM   #6
Cubsfanp
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC View Post
You see half his bat disappear or nah?
No, i see a really blurry, pixelated image compared to a higher resolution one, which is zoomed in so also imperfect.
__________________
That. Just. Happened.
Cubsfanp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:40 AM   #7
fitefanSHO
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 826
Default

I see a lack of due diligence.

And a ridonkulous rush to judgment.
fitefanSHO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:40 AM   #8
discostu
Member
 
discostu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 7,989
Default

It's amazing that this isn't a larger issue.

Of course, the wretched conflict of interest that is the grading market, selling market, Beckett, etc. make any real acknowledgement of the glaring flaws in the grading system (and hobby) ease to wash away.
__________________
Every day I start to ooze.
discostu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:40 AM   #9
NoleinJax
Member
 
NoleinJax's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: No clue anymore
Posts: 8,742
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
So are we now just saying that when a BGS 8.5 turns into a PSA 10, it is 100% trimmed? There wouldn't be any chance the different grading companies or standards could impact the grade? What about if there were residue or cleaning needed on the surface?

And what are you pointing out in the image? It is so blurry there is little someone could see here.

I appreciate the work SuperDan has done in his threads, but those are clear cut. This one - not so much.
Those close-ups of the bat are clear evidence so not sure what you're seeing. Thank you OP for taking your personal time to shine a light on this issue.
__________________
Flickr (In Progress):https://www.flickr.com/photos/noleinjax/albums
Looking for rare Jameis Winston rookies (Prizm White Sparkle, Gold Vinyl, etc), 1/1's and jersey #'d stuff.
NoleinJax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:41 AM   #10
LCM1223
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 26,452
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
No, i see a really blurry, pixelated image compared to a high resolution one.
Are you on a computer/laptop or on your phone?

It's pretty clear cut
__________________
Total Topps BUNT Profits: $1032.18 KICK: $3243.82 HUDDLE: $300.22 STAR WARS CARD TRADER: $2883.25 STAR WARS FORCE COLLECTION: $1318.14 TWD: $94.09 SKATE: $697.03
LCM1223 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:41 AM   #11
ThoseBackPages
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Long Island
Posts: 88,620
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiseguy917 View Post
Grading is a scam
THIS!
__________________
Pumpers Paradise
#YouCryIBuy
Four things that we cannot change each others minds about:
Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards
ThoseBackPages is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:42 AM   #12
LVDan
Member
 
LVDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 17,403
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by discostu View Post
It's amazing that this isn't a larger issue.

Of course, the wretched conflict of interest that is the grading market, selling market, Beckett, etc. make any real acknowledgement of the glaring flaws in the grading system (and hobby) ease to wash away.
shhh
LVDan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:42 AM   #13
peterose4hof
Member
 
peterose4hof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 5,259
Default

Thank you OP. Appreciate your efforts.
peterose4hof is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:43 AM   #14
3124508 on COMC
BODA
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 9,355
Default

All of the bat in the red box is gone.

3124508 on COMC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:44 AM   #15
fitefanSHO
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 826
Default

Like the jury from My Cousin Vinny here...
fitefanSHO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:47 AM   #16
Cubsfanp
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC View Post
All of the bat in the red box is gone.

Compare those photos again, my friend. Now, pay attention to the lower black part of the furthest right. How is it missing in the after photo? Because it is zoomed in, and the pixels are off. Sorry, but there are too many holes for doubt here.
__________________
That. Just. Happened.
Cubsfanp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:48 AM   #17
discostu
Member
 
discostu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 7,989
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fitefanSHO View Post
Like the jury from My Cousin Vinny here...
You play the troll really well.

So well in fact, I'd recommend quitting your day job.
__________________
Every day I start to ooze.
discostu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:49 AM   #18
Cubsfanp
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fitefanSHO View Post
Like the jury from My Cousin Vinny here...
This doesnt help.
__________________
That. Just. Happened.
Cubsfanp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:50 AM   #19
fitefanSHO
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 826
Default

Neither does endless hysteria over "trimmed" cards!
fitefanSHO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:51 AM   #20
Wiseguy917
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,556
Default

Trimmed or not trimmed, the fact that you can turn a BGS 8.5 into a PSA 10 means.......say it with me now kids.....grading is a SCAM
__________________
PSA is like a 70s Porn Star...They don’t care if it’s trimmed or not.

Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets
Wiseguy917 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:52 AM   #21
LCM1223
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 26,452
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
Compare those photos again, my friend. Now, pay attention to the lower black part of the furthest right. How is it missing in the after photo? Because it is zoomed in, and the pixels are off. Sorry, but there are too many holes for doubt here.
__________________
Total Topps BUNT Profits: $1032.18 KICK: $3243.82 HUDDLE: $300.22 STAR WARS CARD TRADER: $2883.25 STAR WARS FORCE COLLECTION: $1318.14 TWD: $94.09 SKATE: $697.03
LCM1223 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:52 AM   #22
ThoseBackPages
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Long Island
Posts: 88,620
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiseguy917 View Post
Trimmed or not trimmed, the fact that you can turn a BGS 8.5 into a PSA 10 means.......say it with me now kids.....grading is a SCAM
THIS!
__________________
Pumpers Paradise
#YouCryIBuy
Four things that we cannot change each others minds about:
Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards
ThoseBackPages is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:53 AM   #23
mmier118
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 537
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
So are we now just saying that when a BGS 8.5 turns into a PSA 10, it is 100% trimmed? There wouldn't be any chance the different grading companies or standards could impact the grade? What about if there were residue or cleaning needed on the surface?

And what are you pointing out in the image? It is so blurry there is little someone could see here.

I appreciate the work SuperDan has done in his threads, but those are clear cut. This one - not so much.
I can’t tell if you are trolling or if you really can’t see the chunk of bat missing? Besides, either way are you happy? If BGS 8.5’s can turn into PSA 10’s why are you paying such a premium on the 10? This is a clear trim job but with this many examples being caught just think of how many non-serial numbered cards are out there that were trimmed that didn’t get caught. It’s really making me re-evaluate how I collect or if I even want to continue. I know trimming has been going on forever but it takes a lot of fun out of it when you have to be so protective against trimmed cards and you know the third party grading companies are in such a rush to slab these cards and collect their fee that they don’t even bother to measure and/or inspect the edges.
mmier118 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 11:59 AM   #24
Cubsfanp
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,095
Default

Anytime we post something which is not 100% conclusive we give ammo to the Bill Sliheets, and Deer's of this world.

If you all cant see the comparision of the bat missing is from missing pixels or blurriness from zooming in, i don't know what else to say.
__________________
That. Just. Happened.
Cubsfanp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2019, 12:00 PM   #25
3124508 on COMC
BODA
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 9,355
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsfanp View Post
Anytime we post something which is not 100% conclusive we give ammo to the Bill Sliheets, and Deer's of this world.

If you all cant see the comparision of the bat missing is from missing pixels or blurriness from zooming in, i don't know what else to say.
You're the only one, so it is possible it's just you?
3124508 on COMC is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright © 2019, Blowout Cards Inc.