PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

astrotrevor · 04-30-2019, 11:29 AM

Here is the raw card:

Here is the initial PSA slab sold through Heritage (photos by Heritage Auctions):

Current PSA slab through PWCC (photos by pwcc):

fitefanSHO · 04-30-2019, 11:31 AM

Was it trimmed left/right, up/down, or both?

monkeymcgee · 04-30-2019, 11:33 AM

Oof--this is the song that never ends...

Soxfanguy · 04-30-2019, 11:34 AM

How did they trim it and get no grade increase?

KhalDrogo · 04-30-2019, 11:34 AM

Fake? Trimmed? Different card? I can’t tell.

LCM1223 · 04-30-2019, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

How did they trim it and get no grade increase?

I think it was trimmed even before the initial grading

fitefanSHO · 04-30-2019, 11:35 AM

They did nice restorative work on that top right corner!

Soxfanguy · 04-30-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LCM1223

I think it was trimmed even before the initial grading

Oh ok that makes sense

rainmaker · 04-30-2019, 11:37 AM

goodness that was a beautiful mantle! incredible shame about the trim. high profile card pwcc needs to take it down.

ThoseBackPages · 04-30-2019, 11:37 AM

Beautiful card!

Soxfanguy · 04-30-2019, 11:38 AM

Trimmers suck at their job, could only get it to a 4.5. Good job catching this

rainmaker · 04-30-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

How did they trim it and get no grade increase?

trimmed from raw to initial grading. eye appeal is so nice im not totally surprised by the bump effort after first grading. but its an altered card now and worth maybe 20% of what it would have been without the trim.

KhalDrogo · 04-30-2019, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

trimmed from raw to initial grading. eye appeal is so nice im not totally surprised by the bump effort after first grading. but its an altered card now and worth maybe 20% of what it would have been without the trim.

But it’s got that PWCC-HE designation. So it’s worth 97% more!

rutgersjpm · 04-30-2019, 11:39 AM

Context please.

fitefanSHO · 04-30-2019, 11:40 AM

Micky always liked getting some trim but not like this!

rainmaker · 04-30-2019, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

But it’s got that PWCC-HE designation. So it’s worth 97% more!

in a previous auction they gave one of my lower grade mantles the high end tag and it brought a 50% increase to the hammer over similar graded comps. for that i will forever embrace this tactic

astrotrevor · 04-30-2019, 11:44 AM

This was a stunning card from a family collection that I viewed about a year ago. I wasn’t convinced the edges weren’t trimmed and couldn’t agree on a price. I think the family sent it away as a consignment through Heritage. It has several distinct makes
Including a stain by the “e” of “Mickey”. I was shocked to see the transformation when I saw it initially for auction through Heritage last fall.

KhalDrogo · 04-30-2019, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

This was a stunning card from a family collection that I viewed about a year ago. I wasn’t convinced the edges weren’t trimmed and couldn’t agree on a price. I think the family sent it away as a consignment through Heritage. It has several distinct makes
Including a stain by the “e” of “Mickey”. I was shocked to see the transformation when I saw it initially for auction through Heritage last fall.

What a shame.

jjeanius · 04-30-2019, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

This was a stunning card from a family collection that I viewed about a year ago. I wasn’t convinced the edges weren’t trimmed and couldn’t agree on a price. I think the family sent it away as a consignment through Heritage. It has several distinct makes
Including a stain by the “e” of “Mickey”. I was shocked to see the transformation when I saw it initially for auction through Heritage last fall.

So...who trimmed it prior to grading, then?

dbpsooner · 04-30-2019, 12:03 PM

I am somewhat slow. How do you know they are all the same card?

KhalDrogo · 04-30-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I am somewhat slow. How do you know they are all the same card?

There are markings. The most noticeable of which (to me) is the central black mark on the rear bottom edge.

You can also see a number of improvements in the quality of the rear left edge.

astrotrevor · 04-30-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jjeanius

So...who trimmed it prior to grading, then?

I have no idea. The edges looked rough when I saw / held the card. They looked much better when I saw completed auction through Heritage. To me, they looked even better this auction.

CharlieHustle · 04-30-2019, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I am somewhat slow. How do you know they are all the same card?

To the left of the "E" in Mickey, on the front of the card. Consistent stain on all 3 pictures.

fitefanSHO · 04-30-2019, 12:10 PM

It's like Mick went in for the $299.99 detail service at Nissan.

wharfrat7624 · 04-30-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I am somewhat slow. How do you know they are all the same card?

Thank you for asking. I wanted to ask the same question.

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04-30-2019, 11:29 AM	#1
astrotrevor Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 346	PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc Here is the raw card: Here is the initial PSA slab sold through Heritage (photos by Heritage Auctions): Current PSA slab through PWCC (photos by pwcc): Last edited by astrotrevor; 05-28-2019 at 08:43 PM.

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Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	How did they trim it and get no grade increase? __________________ ok

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 39,288	Fake? Trimmed? Different card? I can’t tell. __________________ I love PSA!

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rainmaker Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2,798 thewescoast	goodness that was a beautiful mantle! incredible shame about the trim. high profile card pwcc needs to take it down. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/152850287@N08/albums

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 84,215 ThoseBackPages	Beautiful card! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

04-30-2019, 11:31 AM	#2
fitefanSHO Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 826	Was it trimmed left/right, up/down, or both?

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monkeymcgee Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: VA Posts: 10,974	Oof--this is the song that never ends...

04-30-2019, 11:35 AM	#7
fitefanSHO Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 826	They did nice restorative work on that top right corner!

04-30-2019, 11:38 AM	#11
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	Trimmers suck at their job, could only get it to a 4.5. Good job catching this __________________ ok

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rutgersjpm Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 6,204 thebeardsbreaks draftbreak	Context please. __________________ https://www.instagram.com/thebeardsbreaks

04-30-2019, 11:40 AM	#15
fitefanSHO Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 826	Micky always liked getting some trim but not like this!

04-30-2019, 11:44 AM	#17
astrotrevor Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 346	This was a stunning card from a family collection that I viewed about a year ago. I wasn’t convinced the edges weren’t trimmed and couldn’t agree on a price. I think the family sent it away as a consignment through Heritage. It has several distinct makes Including a stain by the “e” of “Mickey”. I was shocked to see the transformation when I saw it initially for auction through Heritage last fall.

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dbpsooner Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Omaha Posts: 2,874 dbpsooner	I am somewhat slow. How do you know they are all the same card?

04-30-2019, 12:10 PM	#24
fitefanSHO Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 826	It's like Mick went in for the $299.99 detail service at Nissan.