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Old 05-19-2019, 08:08 PM   #1
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Exclamation At Least 2/4 1993 SP PSA 10 Jeters Sold by PWCC are Likely Trimmed

A third one (Ser. #: 26223954) is also suspect.

This whole thing came about after PWCC's apparent server switch that temporarily left many trimmed cards without images.

First the $99k Jeter:
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1657246


There are several trimmed cards in this PSA submission, thus leading one to conclude that this Jeter has also been altered. The submission also includes, among other high end cards, a $15k Jordan PMG. Photos of this card and many other cards in a pre-graded state were not located.

Here are two trimmed cards in the submission. One is fewer than 10 serial numbers away from Jeter. Click links to confirm serial number/autograph matches:

Brady Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ons-1824581784
Brady Post: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ady-1959887207
Croshere Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tin-1880027454
Croshere Post: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1659736




Next, the $73k Jeter:
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1745271


This one is simple. It was consigned by Kevin Burge. His reputation for card trimming precedes him.

Here is a Machado card in the same sub:




Using the autograph, it can be traced to the following Worthpoint listing (this is the first 9.5 I've ever seen Burge purchase by the way):

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ome-1854287205



The Buyer feedback is here (note exact title match to Worthpoint listing):



g***e is the buyer code for Kevin Burge account got1morethanshaq.


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This card is in the same PSA sub as the second Jeter.

From Kevin Burge. Value gain of $9800.

TRIMMED: 2003-04 SP Authentic LeBron James ROOKIE RC AUTO 429/500 #148 PSA 10 GEM MINT
Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-sp-1849195094
Post: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1504079


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Old 05-19-2019, 08:22 PM   #2
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Dang.... this is getting into high level felony fraud. The FBI needs to get involved. Operation Bullpen was over less value than all this.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:26 PM   #3
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Too bad CLCT just had their conference call on 5/1
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:29 PM   #4
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Dang.... this is getting into high level felony fraud. The FBI needs to get involved. Operation Bullpen was over less value than all this.
Doubt they care. Even if you could get someone on the phone they wouldn’t have a clue about what you were talking about. Maybe someone will get busted one day, but I wouldn’t count on it.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:29 PM   #5
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Graded card collectors are going to be left dealing only with other people who got locked into graded cards. This is shameful.
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My Lawd, $100k???


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All together, $172k and some change.

If both are from Burge he cleared what, like $164k?
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Graded card collectors are going to be left dealing only with other people who got locked into graded cards. This is shameful.
That or they can just crack the card out and keep it raw
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That Jeter looks short top to bottom, and I’m not even a grader....
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There are several trimmed cards in this PSA submission, thus leading one to conclude that this Jeter has also been altered.
Yikes! Slippery slope. High probability? Yes. 100% certainty?

Title of the thread is very misleading.
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Yikes! Slippery slope. High probability? Yes. 100% certainty?

Title of the thread is very misleading.
Sorry. Told you weeks ago to stop reading my threads.
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Too bad CLCT just had their conference call on 5/1
They might conveniently not address it to shareholders anyway.
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Sorry. Told you weeks ago to stop reading my threads.


Just trying to protect the spread of misinformation and promote rational and logical thought.

Court of law would not agree with your assessment.
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Just trying to protect the spread of misinformation and promote rational and logical thought.

Court of law would not agree with your assessment.
Good thing we’re on an Internet forum.
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Here is the daily PWCC bashing member!! I don’t see how you have enough free time to only worry about PWCC.
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Dang.... this is getting into high level felony fraud. The FBI needs to get involved. Operation Bullpen was over less value than all this.

The fraud falls on PSA. They’re the frauds. It’s over for grading!!
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Here is the daily PWCC bashing member!! I don’t see how you have enough free time to only worry about PWCC.
So, how are things in Lake Oswego?
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So, how are things in Lake Oswego?
Lol, we have one PWCC cheerleader over on N54 who forgot his area states hes in "Pacific northwest"


Lots of shill accounts will be uncovered, the vault wont even open its doors before the search and seizure
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Here is the daily PWCC bashing member!! I don’t see how you have enough free time to only worry about PWCC.
What do you think about all these trimmed and altered cards going through PWCC? Pretty bad, huh?
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That Jeter looks short top to bottom, and I’m not even a grader....
Some of these are short from the factory, making this complicated unfortunately.
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Some of these are short from the factory, making this complicated unfortunately.
Wouldn’t that make it ungradeable?
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Wouldn’t that make it ungradeable?
I am not sure what the cutoff point is. Others will know better.
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I am not sure what the cutoff point is. Others will know better.
Watching the video with PWCC, I am not even sure what to think. Conservation sounds acceptable but trimming is not, what is even the difference at the point? Seems like a slippery slope, right? If someone can remove stains, what is the difference between that and removing a bad corner by trimming if it is not “evident”? I am interested to see where this all goes, I never considered anything to be acceptable but maybe I’m in the minority?
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