In case you haven't seen: former BGS employee BGS 10 Black Label scandal

pejc300 · 05-30-2019, 11:36 PM

To all my basketball homies,

I know not everyone ventures to other parts of the boards. By now, you are all aware of the insane trimming scandal going on. Well, if you haven't been to the baseball section recently, it has come to light that a former BGS employee has been receiving preferential treatment in his grading, to an absurd and fraudulent level.

If you personally do not receive almost exclusively BGS 10 Pristine Black Label cards when you submit to Beckett, then this is a must read - because this guy does.

Former BGS employee, still friends with the graders, lives in Dallas, and drops off all of his cards in person. And gets mostly BGS 10 Black Labels.

We are reaching new levels of depravity every day in this hobby.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1296905&page=7

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2019, 12:35 AM

Kingofkings1281 · 05-31-2019, 12:44 AM

Yeaaaah, I’m about out of this “hobby”, which is a shame since I’ve been collecting since I was 6 years old. People have ruined this for me and all of the other actual collectors out there that aren’t just in this for a quick buck.

clipperboy24 · 05-31-2019, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Yeaaaah, I’m about out of this “hobby”, which is a shame since I’ve been collecting since I was 6 years old. People have ruined this for me and all of the other actual collectors out there that aren’t just in this for a quick buck.

It’s pretty crazy how many scammers and shady people there are in the hobby

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2019, 12:59 AM

you guys DO realize this is nothing new and scammers have been around the hobby since the 60s, right?

Kingofkings1281 · 05-31-2019, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you guys DO realize this is nothing new and scammers have been around the hobby since the 60s, right?

Not like this. This is starting to be widespread poison. I know the hobby has been through rough times and scams before, but never with this much money on the line.

pejc300 · 05-31-2019, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you guys DO realize this is nothing new and scammers have been around the hobby since the 60s, right?

Yes. It's just always helpful when you can see exactly what the scammers are doing so that you can adjust your hobby decisions accordingly.

NickRadz23 · 05-31-2019, 01:06 AM

Just don’t buy a BGS black label then. It sucks that people do this but it’s the same reason I don’t buy from PWCC, BuyNiceCards, etc. There’s still a lot of good people in here and fun to be had, just have to maneuver accordingly.

AbraCalabro · 05-31-2019, 02:08 AM

Post #5 in the thread OP linked, I ended up navigating to this thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295981

So, THAT'S who this is, lmao

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1245140

Archangel1775 · 05-31-2019, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you guys DO realize this is nothing new and scammers have been around the hobby since the 60s, right?

The money involved is a different beast though.

kingofsnake · 05-31-2019, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Yeaaaah, I’m about out of this “hobby”, which is a shame since I’ve been collecting since I was 6 years old. People have ruined this for me and all of the other actual collectors out there that aren’t just in this for a quick buck.

I think I'm at the same point. May just try to stick to the one player collection and try and finish a few remaining sets. Otherwise, just really sickened.

cornelljw · 05-31-2019, 03:13 AM

Ya man kinda sucks. Hard to tell whats real nowadays. Grading is lowkey a scam

Kingofkings1281 · 05-31-2019, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cornelljw

Ya man kinda sucks. Hard to tell whats real nowadays. Grading is lowkey a scam

It was only a matter of time before the corruption started.

chuckerrrr · 05-31-2019, 07:07 AM

Grading sucks!! Over it. I will not support the Monster it has creative. I will not spend 5 x raw due to an individuals opinion. Now with all the information the forum has unearthed the last 6 months its obvious that its all a big scam.

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pacmon84 · 05-31-2019, 07:24 AM

At The National, BGS, PSA and all the major key players, Panini, Topps, PWCC, need to hold a town hall style “State of the Hobby” to address everything

DajuanWagner · 05-31-2019, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by clipperboy24

it’s pretty crazy how many scammers and shady people there are in the hobby

preach right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nera20 · 05-31-2019, 08:26 AM

Best fix to all this is just keep outing the scammers, frauds, and etc, stay away from bgs 10 and black labels and maybe even psa 10's. Keep people aware of the low lives that are ruining it like PWCC, BNC, and so on and DONT buy from them so that they aren't supported.

OldManLightning · 05-31-2019, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nera20

Best fix to all this is just keep outing the scammers, frauds, and etc, stay away from bgs 10 and black labels and maybe even psa 10's. Keep people aware of the low lives that are ruining it like PWCC, BNC, and so on and DONT buy from them so that they aren't supported.

i try to do the same.

nera20 · 05-31-2019, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManLightning

i try to do the same.

I never saw the point in spending extra to buy a bgs 10 or black label, if in the past I got lucky in sending something in that would have been the only reason I would have one. I do like PSA 10's but unlikely I would pay a premium for one.

theLUCKYshow · 05-31-2019, 10:26 AM

Wow the math behind OPs circumstantial evidence is STRONG. Chances that the submitter just got lucky are somewhere between miniscule and impossible. I hope BGS is looking into this.

Reminds me of when online poker players on a certain site a decade ago noticed that the ROI of a certain group of players were statistically improbable. After an internal investigation it turned out certain former employees after the sale of the site had a cheat code that allowed them to see everyones hole cards, and had taken millions off of unsuspecting players.

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rasclat · 05-31-2019, 10:33 AM

Absolute poker.... You got most of the story correct, i was one of the guys that helped unravel that mess.

theLUCKYshow · 05-31-2019, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rasclat

Absolute poker.... You got most of the story correct, i was one of the guys that helped unravel that mess.

Oh man thats crazy. And yeah the story is a little fuzzy but glad I got most of it right.

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kobemagee29 · 05-31-2019, 11:19 AM

I'm surprised everyone's surprised about this stuff. Doesnt take a genius to figure out stuff like this has been going on for years. It happens with everything, stocks, contracts, ect, ect.

pejc300 · 05-31-2019, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kobemagee29

I'm surprised everyone's surprised about this stuff. Doesnt take a genius to figure out stuff like this has been going on for years. It happens with everything, stocks, contracts, ect, ect.

I don't think it's so much surprising that it is happening, but the neat thing is being able to actually put names to the people that are doing it. We all know it happens, but when we can catch them in the act, I think it is helpful.

pejc300 · 05-31-2019, 11:42 AM

New Thread. Unreal. Timber...........................

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069

05-30-2019, 11:36 PM	#1
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,715	In case you haven't seen: former BGS employee BGS 10 Black Label scandal To all my basketball homies, I know not everyone ventures to other parts of the boards. By now, you are all aware of the insane trimming scandal going on. Well, if you haven't been to the baseball section recently, it has come to light that a former BGS employee has been receiving preferential treatment in his grading, to an absurd and fraudulent level. If you personally do not receive almost exclusively BGS 10 Pristine Black Label cards when you submit to Beckett, then this is a must read - because this guy does. Former BGS employee, still friends with the graders, lives in Dallas, and drops off all of his cards in person. And gets mostly BGS 10 Black Labels. We are reaching new levels of depravity every day in this hobby. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1296905&page=7

05-31-2019, 12:35 AM	#2
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,980 ThoseBackPages	__________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-31-2019, 12:44 AM	#3
Kingofkings1281 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 9,613 Kingofkings1281	Yeaaaah, I’m about out of this “hobby”, which is a shame since I’ve been collecting since I was 6 years old. People have ruined this for me and all of the other actual collectors out there that aren’t just in this for a quick buck. __________________ Always looking for high end Vince Carter, Randy Moss and Tom Brady. http://kingofkings1281.imgur.com

05-31-2019, 02:08 AM	#9
AbraCalabro Temporarily Suspended Join Date: May 2013 Location: Believe in Saint Abra. Posts: 10,748	Post #5 in the thread OP linked, I ended up navigating to this thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295981 So, THAT'S who this is, lmao https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1245140 __________________ -FREE TRISTAN- LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - A master class in corruption. NEVER FORGET: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123 Last edited by AbraCalabro; 05-31-2019 at 02:16 AM.

05-31-2019, 03:13 AM	#12
cornelljw Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Socal Posts: 1,545 cornelljw cornelljw	Ya man kinda sucks. Hard to tell whats real nowadays. Grading is lowkey a scam __________________ https://www.instagram.com/cornelljw10/ PC: Kobe, Terry Bradshaw, Iverson, Lamelo, topps chrome refractors of studs, semi studs and stars

05-31-2019, 12:59 AM	#5
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,980 ThoseBackPages	you guys DO realize this is nothing new and scammers have been around the hobby since the 60s, right? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-31-2019, 01:06 AM	#8
NickRadz23 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 869	Just don’t buy a BGS black label then. It sucks that people do this but it’s the same reason I don’t buy from PWCC, BuyNiceCards, etc. There’s still a lot of good people in here and fun to be had, just have to maneuver accordingly.

05-31-2019, 07:07 AM	#14
chuckerrrr Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Georgetown TX Posts: 3,445 charger21	Grading sucks!! Over it. I will not support the Monster it has creative. I will not spend 5 x raw due to an individuals opinion. Now with all the information the forum has unearthed the last 6 months its obvious that its all a big scam. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-31-2019, 07:24 AM	#15
pacmon84 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 278	At The National, BGS, PSA and all the major key players, Panini, Topps, PWCC, need to hold a town hall style “State of the Hobby” to address everything

05-31-2019, 08:26 AM	#17
nera20 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 35,256	Best fix to all this is just keep outing the scammers, frauds, and etc, stay away from bgs 10 and black labels and maybe even psa 10's. Keep people aware of the low lives that are ruining it like PWCC, BNC, and so on and DONT buy from them so that they aren't supported. __________________ USA SHIPPING ONLY

05-31-2019, 10:26 AM	#20
theLUCKYshow Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 5,455 theluckshow	Wow the math behind OPs circumstantial evidence is STRONG. Chances that the submitter just got lucky are somewhere between miniscule and impossible. I hope BGS is looking into this. Reminds me of when online poker players on a certain site a decade ago noticed that the ROI of a certain group of players were statistically improbable. After an internal investigation it turned out certain former employees after the sale of the site had a cheat code that allowed them to see everyones hole cards, and had taken millions off of unsuspecting players. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk __________________ Always looking for high end Harry Giles AKA the Future

05-31-2019, 10:33 AM	#21
rasclat Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Toronto/Medellin Posts: 337	Absolute poker.... You got most of the story correct, i was one of the guys that helped unravel that mess.

05-31-2019, 11:19 AM	#23
kobemagee29 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: rockford Posts: 4,087	I'm surprised everyone's surprised about this stuff. Doesnt take a genius to figure out stuff like this has been going on for years. It happens with everything, stocks, contracts, ect, ect.

05-31-2019, 11:42 AM	#25
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,715	New Thread. Unreal. Timber........................... https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069