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It's not Festivus yet, but it's high time we took the scammers and enablers to task for the scandals of this year and previous ones. Too many collectors have no knowledge of the history of these companies and continue to buy in to the process because the word is not out.
Professional Sports Authenticators is a grading company headquartered in California under the Collectors' Universe umbrella, a publicly traded company. Founded 30 years ago, they have been led by David Hall, Joe Orlando, and Steve Sloan. Joe Orlando's mantra at PSA was "NEVER GET CHEATED." 00000001) The original card graded by PSA as a Near Mint - Mint NM-MT 8 (out of 10) and world famous is the 1909 T206 Honus Wagner once owned by Wayne Gretzky. It was found to be trimmed by auctionhouse owner Bill Mastro after the fact, and Bill went to jail as part of a scandal with his auction company. PSA reviewed the card and still claimed it was not trimmed. 2) Grade Guarantee (note: no expiration date) https://www.psacard.com/About/FinancialGuarantee/ Quote:
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1952 Topps Mantle thread that started it all. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614 Known Gary Moser submissions: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1296884 I will continue to add to this post. |
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Post reserved for PSA response.
Wow, that was quick. Posted on Net54, here is the unofficial PSA answer: ![]() http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269583 06/04/2019: Quote:
Last edited by mjohnatgt; 06-04-2019 at 05:17 PM. |
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For what it's worth, I got back into the baseball card collecting industry about 5-6 years ago, when a friend wanted me to sell his Magic collection. I have submitted exclusively with PSA since then because of their set registry and sales prices. I will no longer purchase any graded cards or submit to grading companies until they confess in public that they're either WOEFULLY INEPT to actually detect alterations and PAY OUT THE REFUNDS or publicly expose and sue their complicit employees, if this was done as an inside job. I am closing my set registries, and will hold them until this is resolved in a positive manner. If they do not react in such a way that I'm impressed and can trust them again, I will sell all of my graded cards.
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It’s a start, but I’m going to withhold any commendation for them until I see how the process plays out.
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Part of the problem, to me, is that hardly anyone seems to be aware of this problem. I went on the collectors universe message board on Yahoo finance yesterday and there were people talking about it but the stock is near its all time highs. This story needs to hit the mainstream news media is in order for something to happen .
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This is excellent material. I wonder if there will be any Festivus Miracles?
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Posted this on all my sets on the registry:
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oakland, CA
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"any card suspected of being altered" is super vague. Are they going to circulate guidelines for what qualifies, or should we just use common sense? If they want to protect their brand, they should go all in with the common sense standard. Stand behind every slab. The way to save this company is to figure out a way to detect alterations (other than reading BO) and then screen any card. They'd take a staggering hit short term but I don't think anything but this could rehabilitate them if they're taking the long view.
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Agreed. At least they didn't go full on Brent Huygens at PWCC and say "before and after pictures are not evidence." They are willing to look at the photos and make conclusions based on the submitters.
With the advent of the internet, they can no longer do shady things and get away with it. I even sent PSA President Steve Sloan my phone number in case he wants to call me and discuss ways ahead. |
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I feel bad for saying this in the grading section, but it's turning out that card grading isn't worth anything.
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