Brent Huigens & PWCC Used pwcc_auctions ID to Buy Cards for Gary Moser to Trim/Alter - Page 39

signed79 · 06-24-2019, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

I would not be surprised if they made a request straight to eBay to have the information shielded...

eBay was likely closed at the time for holiday. I do not believe eBay or VCP is "in" on anything here. It's very likely PWCC or Moser complained to Terapeak to get it swiftly removed.

edit to add - looks like eBay acquired Terapeak.

Bruins1993 · 06-24-2019, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by signed79

eBay was likely closed at the time for holiday. I do not believe eBay or VCP is "in" on anything here. It's very likely PWCC or Moser complained to Terapeak to get it swiftly removed.

edit to add - looks like eBay acquired Terapeak.

Especially given the timing, it sure appears eBay is helping shield highly questionable activity! In no way do I believe VCP is "in" on anything because they were directed by Terapeak/eBay to remove bidder information.

mattglet · 06-26-2019, 10:50 AM

Found this on page 3.

Zhamlau · 06-26-2019, 06:46 PM

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false

Interesting link showing someone who does professional comic book restoration talking about doing card pressing, saying it passed PSA

Bruins1993 · 06-26-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhamlau

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false

Interesting link showing someone who does professional comic book restoration talking about doing card pressing, saying it passed PSA

Her resume appears to indicate "Sotheby’s chief restoration consultant for their historic collectible auctions 1991-1998" included "Baseball card restoration:
Cleaning and pressing of major Topps and Bowman cards from the 40’s, 50’s and 60’’s."

pspa123 · 06-26-2019, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhamlau

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false

Interesting link showing someone who does professional comic book restoration talking about doing card pressing, saying it passed PSA

Passing PSA doesn't seem to take much these days.

Zhamlau · 06-26-2019, 07:41 PM

In comics, pressing isn’t a sin and it’s recommended before grading. The argument is that you are just applying pressure to remove creases caused by other pressures. Trimming a comic, adding pieces, adding colors, binding tears, bleaching, those are considered the restoration effects

mjohnatgt · 06-26-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhamlau

In comics, pressing isn’t a sin and it’s recommended before grading. The argument is that you are just applying pressure to remove creases caused by other pressures. Trimming a comic, adding pieces, adding colors, binding tears, bleaching, those are considered the restoration effects

Yes, but it also says she did it to baseball cards, where it is not condoned.
Where do I remember seeing this card before?

Sinoth23 · 06-26-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowman1951

100k views on this thread! Let's celebrate with another hilarious video about #SlabGate.

That video is gold.

Still amazed at all of the work and efforts going on into uncovering this...keep up the great work.

MoreToppsPlease · 06-26-2019, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhamlau

In comics, pressing isn’t a sin and it’s recommended before grading. The argument is that you are just applying pressure to remove creases caused by other pressures. Trimming a comic, adding pieces, adding colors, binding tears, bleaching, those are considered the restoration effects

But alterations are supposed to be divulged in comics.

signed79 · 06-26-2019, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

But alterations are supposed to be divulged in comics.

They are.

Zhamlau · 06-26-2019, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

But alterations are supposed to be divulged in comics.

If it’s graded by cgc it doesn’t say If it’s pressed or not. What’s more cgc is the best presser there is with their CCS in-house company who handles that along with restoration removal (all for various fees). I used them when I graded an Amazing Fantasy 15 brought it from 4.5 to 5.5 in sure.

superdan49 · 06-26-2019, 09:17 PM

Passed by PSA according to the professional restorer, Ms. Cicconi.

RIP Vintage card grading. It was fun while it lasted. I feel like quitting.

Zhamlau · 06-26-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

But alterations are supposed to be divulged in comics.

But yeah color touches, replacement panels, tear sealing, bleaching, and trimming are documented and the label changes from blue to purple with the restoration listed. Just pressing/light cleaning is allowed and not mentioned with the label stating blue is that’s the extent of the work done.

Bruins1993 · 06-26-2019, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Passed by PSA according to the professional restorer, Ms. Cicconi.

RIP Vintage card grading. It was fun while it lasted. I feel like quitting.

PSA Cert 26106432 1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #92
Sold on eBay for $1,098.00 on October, 2016 by pwcc_auctions (Item #351861691465)
Sold on eBay for $1,900.00 on August, 2017 by probstein123 (Item #362048868086)
Sold on eBay for $1,999.00 on May 06, 2019 by jtur5101 (Item #112519688231)

tconte · 06-26-2019, 09:56 PM

Good catch Bruins1993.

Now does one suspect the other cards around the cert number of the Gehrig to be bad?

mjohnatgt · 06-26-2019, 10:00 PM

Worth looking into.

KhalDrogo · 06-26-2019, 10:00 PM

If PSA gave a damn or knew what they were doing, they would have never missed that. Look how oversized that card is T/B.

superdan49 · 06-26-2019, 10:05 PM

Nice find, Bruins. Why would Ms. Cicconi just release that photo now, on June 6, 2019, if she did this work at the latest in October 2016? Strange timing.

dogzman · 06-26-2019, 10:18 PM

Awesome work guys!

2019 PSA = PRO grading.

ThoseBackPages · 06-26-2019, 11:10 PM

its over johnny

someone sell me that 1952 Topps 311 before its too late

corndog · 06-27-2019, 02:24 AM

That pressed Gehrig should have never been given a numbered grade. The pattern of ink loss due to a practically foldover crease should have been obvious in the hand of a grader. Folded card stock never retains it's original rigidity due to the pulling of the paper fibers. The fibers don't go back into place.

That's embarrassing that something so obvious got by the PSA "professional" graders. They aren't even utilizing their best tool - their own eyes.

Scottish Punk · 06-27-2019, 07:42 AM

Sigh, PSA is just really useless for doing their number one job - Authenticating. All is good as long the flippers are still making money!!!

mjohnatgt · 06-27-2019, 07:59 AM

Need to make sure she gets the accolades she deserves. Susan Cicconi Sothebys restoration expert. Scammer baseball card alteration fraud

BosPats1980 · 06-27-2019, 08:29 AM

Looking for some help on this one:

http://smalltraditions.com/1999_Ultr...-LOT42983.aspx

This card was previously sold twice as a PSA 8, but I can only see it in VCP. Both times on eBay:

12/10/17 by seller SVCards (Can't tell who the buyer is)
7/15/18 by ..... PWCC (Can't tell who the buyer is)

Now it shows back up as a 9 and looks trimmed on the right side. It's too bad because it was something I was very interested in.

06-26-2019, 10:50 AM	#953
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06-26-2019, 09:17 PM	#963
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,238	Passed by PSA according to the professional restorer, Ms. Cicconi. RIP Vintage card grading. It was fun while it lasted. I feel like quitting. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

06-26-2019, 10:00 PM	#967
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06-26-2019, 10:00 PM	#968
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 39,288	If PSA gave a damn or knew what they were doing, they would have never missed that. Look how oversized that card is T/B. __________________ I love PSA!

06-26-2019, 10:05 PM	#969
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,238	Nice find, Bruins. Why would Ms. Cicconi just release that photo now, on June 6, 2019, if she did this work at the latest in October 2016? Strange timing. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

06-26-2019, 06:46 PM	#954
Zhamlau Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 269	https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false Interesting link showing someone who does professional comic book restoration talking about doing card pressing, saying it passed PSA

06-26-2019, 07:41 PM	#957
Zhamlau Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 269	In comics, pressing isn’t a sin and it’s recommended before grading. The argument is that you are just applying pressure to remove creases caused by other pressures. Trimming a comic, adding pieces, adding colors, binding tears, bleaching, those are considered the restoration effects

06-26-2019, 09:56 PM	#966
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 1,944 aconte	Good catch Bruins1993. Now does one suspect the other cards around the cert number of the Gehrig to be bad?

06-26-2019, 10:18 PM	#970
dogzman Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: International Man of Mystery Posts: 1,235 FomoCards	Awesome work guys! 2019 PSA = PRO grading. __________________ Lifetime ban on Upper Deck due to non redemption of Lebron patch auto.

06-26-2019, 11:10 PM	#971
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 84,215 ThoseBackPages	its over johnny someone sell me that 1952 Topps 311 before its too late __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

06-27-2019, 02:24 AM	#972
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 14,706	That pressed Gehrig should have never been given a numbered grade. The pattern of ink loss due to a practically foldover crease should have been obvious in the hand of a grader. Folded card stock never retains it's original rigidity due to the pulling of the paper fibers. The fibers don't go back into place. That's embarrassing that something so obvious got by the PSA "professional" graders. They aren't even utilizing their best tool - their own eyes. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-27-2019, 07:42 AM	#973
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 7,807 scottishpunk	Sigh, PSA is just really useless for doing their number one job - Authenticating. All is good as long the flippers are still making money!!!

06-27-2019, 07:59 AM	#974
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 13,868 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Need to make sure she gets the accolades she deserves. Susan Cicconi Sothebys restoration expert. Scammer baseball card alteration fraud __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------- Grab Bag Sketch Draft picks: 6 mjohnatgt; 42 mjohnatgt; 47 mjohnatgt; 54 mjohnatgt; 55 mjohnatgt; 72 mjohnatgt

06-27-2019, 08:29 AM	#975
BosPats1980 Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 1,604 ddeld	Looking for some help on this one: http://smalltraditions.com/1999_Ultr...-LOT42983.aspx This card was previously sold twice as a PSA 8, but I can only see it in VCP. Both times on eBay: 12/10/17 by seller SVCards (Can't tell who the buyer is) 7/15/18 by ..... PWCC (Can't tell who the buyer is) Now it shows back up as a 9 and looks trimmed on the right side. It's too bad because it was something I was very interested in.