BGS 10 Pristine or Black label

Spacemanspif · 12-27-2019, 10:58 PM

Just curious, how hard are these to get? I'm creating several subs to PSA and BGS, and generally I'm sending the stuff with centering issues (60-40 centering instead of 55-45) to PSA in hopes of 10s, and cards that might have surface issues that prohibit a 10 to BGS in hopes of a 9.5. What about cards that seem flawless? Should I take a shot at BGS to try and get a BGS 10? those seem to hold a premium above PSA 10s, but I assume for good reason.

Let me know if you have any experience or opinions on this!

WYTMKE · 12-27-2019, 11:12 PM

Well a Black label every sub has to be a 10

3124508 on COMC · 12-27-2019, 11:32 PM

Depends on if you’re a former BGS employee or not.

Ken735i · 12-30-2019, 03:27 PM

I would never submit counting on getting a BGS 10. 9.5 is gem mint and if the card is near perfect most likely that's what you'll get. My last submission of 178 cards returned 5 bgs 10 pristine no black labels.

My previous submission was about 150 cards yielded 4 bgs 10.

My last two submissions have been slightly above the average on 10s. (about 1.6% last I checked)

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Southpas2013 · 12-30-2019, 05:15 PM

The average Joe won't get any black labels (no pun intended) and if BGS 10 play the lottery before you hope for a 10.

Spacemanspif · 12-31-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken735i

I would never submit counting on getting a BGS 10. 9.5 is gem mint and if the card is near perfect most likely that's what you'll get. My last submission of 178 cards returned 5 bgs 10 pristine no black labels.

My previous submission was about 150 cards yielded 4 bgs 10.

My last two submissions have been slightly above the average on 10s. (about 1.6% last I checked)

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ok thanks, that is useful data. I don't think that amount of BGS 10's is worth the price difference between BGS 9.5 and PSA 10 for the rest of the Gems. Just curious if the hit rate of 10's is so low, why do you do such large subs with BGS instead of PSA?

Ken735i · 01-01-2020, 07:14 AM

Bgs 9.5 gem is equivalent to PSA 10 gem in theory. Subrades could Still be a factor tho.

I used bgs because of the half piont system. As I said, to much range from PSA 9 to 10. A PSA 9 could be a BGS 8.5, 9, or low 9.5. Possibly even an 8 in some cases

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BlowoutBuzz · 01-01-2020, 10:34 AM

Goal number for me is 9.5 since I submit only after using a loupe and punt pretty ruthlessly unless it's a card I want slabbed no matter what.

Getting a nine is a slight bummer that I'm still good with ... an 8.5 is "what?!"

A 9.5 gets a solid response from me when I get them, 10s still feel too rare and are a surprise to me.

My only Black slabs when submitting came early on in my regular return to grading -- I was shocked but have not seen any since.

Spacemanspif · 01-01-2020, 02:19 PM

I also personally like the .5 system better and am using BGS for #’d cards or PC items, but for “transactional” pieces like Prizm RCs and Optic Holos I’m using PSA. The sale value is almost always higher for PSA 10 vs BGS 9.5, plus seems easier to get with the 60/40 centering rule vs 55/45. I just have a couple silver Prizms lately where I thought the cards were damn near perfect so I was considering tossing those in with the BGS sub

oddstuff · 01-02-2020, 02:10 AM

One thing to know when chasing pristines and black labels is that not every card is made equally. Certain brands/cards will grade much better than other due to how they are manufactured/packaged. Do some research on the BGS pop report to get an idea how many before yours have received a BGS 10 if that's what you're after.

Triple B · 01-02-2020, 09:18 AM

In maybe 500 individual card submissions, I've hit 20 or so Gold 10s and only one Black 10.

heatdawg · 01-02-2020, 01:20 PM

Imagine if BGS never made this black or gold version? Probably would be out of business by now.

People say slabbing is a scam, the BGS black is what I think of when I read that statement ;P

chasacar86 · 01-02-2020, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken735i

Bgs 9.5 gem is equivalent to PSA 10 gem in theory. Subrades could Still be a factor tho.

I used bgs because of the half piont system. As I said, to much range from PSA 9 to 10. A PSA 9 could be a BGS 8.5, 9, or low 9.5. Possibly even an 8 in some cases

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This is true if you do not care about money or value.

12-27-2019, 10:58 PM	#1
Spacemanspif Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 5,880 Spacemanspif	BGS 10 Pristine or Black label Just curious, how hard are these to get? I'm creating several subs to PSA and BGS, and generally I'm sending the stuff with centering issues (60-40 centering instead of 55-45) to PSA in hopes of 10s, and cards that might have surface issues that prohibit a 10 to BGS in hopes of a 9.5. What about cards that seem flawless? Should I take a shot at BGS to try and get a BGS 10? those seem to hold a premium above PSA 10s, but I assume for good reason. Let me know if you have any experience or opinions on this!

12-27-2019, 11:12 PM	#2
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12-27-2019, 11:32 PM	#3
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01-01-2020, 07:14 AM	#7
Ken735i Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 453	Bgs 9.5 gem is equivalent to PSA 10 gem in theory. Subrades could Still be a factor tho. I used bgs because of the half piont system. As I said, to much range from PSA 9 to 10. A PSA 9 could be a BGS 8.5, 9, or low 9.5. Possibly even an 8 in some cases Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Last edited by Ken735i; 01-01-2020 at 07:17 AM.

01-01-2020, 10:34 AM	#8
BlowoutBuzz Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 14,207	Goal number for me is 9.5 since I submit only after using a loupe and punt pretty ruthlessly unless it's a card I want slabbed no matter what. Getting a nine is a slight bummer that I'm still good with ... an 8.5 is "what?!" A 9.5 gets a solid response from me when I get them, 10s still feel too rare and are a surprise to me. My only Black slabs when submitting came early on in my regular return to grading -- I was shocked but have not seen any since. __________________ www.blowoutbuzz.com >>><<< Got something cool or interesting that might be worth a story? Know someone whose collection could be profiled? Send me a DM.

12-30-2019, 03:27 PM	#4
Ken735i Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 453	I would never submit counting on getting a BGS 10. 9.5 is gem mint and if the card is near perfect most likely that's what you'll get. My last submission of 178 cards returned 5 bgs 10 pristine no black labels. My previous submission was about 150 cards yielded 4 bgs 10. My last two submissions have been slightly above the average on 10s. (about 1.6% last I checked) Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

12-30-2019, 05:15 PM	#5
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	The average Joe won't get any black labels (no pun intended) and if BGS 10 play the lottery before you hope for a 10.

01-01-2020, 02:19 PM	#9
Spacemanspif Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 5,880 Spacemanspif	I also personally like the .5 system better and am using BGS for #’d cards or PC items, but for “transactional” pieces like Prizm RCs and Optic Holos I’m using PSA. The sale value is almost always higher for PSA 10 vs BGS 9.5, plus seems easier to get with the 60/40 centering rule vs 55/45. I just have a couple silver Prizms lately where I thought the cards were damn near perfect so I was considering tossing those in with the BGS sub

01-02-2020, 02:10 AM	#10
oddstuff Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: CA Posts: 5,265	One thing to know when chasing pristines and black labels is that not every card is made equally. Certain brands/cards will grade much better than other due to how they are manufactured/packaged. Do some research on the BGS pop report to get an idea how many before yours have received a BGS 10 if that's what you're after.

01-02-2020, 09:18 AM	#11
Triple B Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,276	In maybe 500 individual card submissions, I've hit 20 or so Gold 10s and only one Black 10. __________________ Wanted Dead or Alive! 1. 1997 Bowman's Best Jose Cruz, Jr Atomic Refractor Autograph 2. 1997 SPx Jose Cruz, Jr. Grand Finale /50

01-02-2020, 01:20 PM	#12
heatdawg Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 1,489 heatbreaker	Imagine if BGS never made this black or gold version? Probably would be out of business by now. People say slabbing is a scam, the BGS black is what I think of when I read that statement ;P