Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein

pspa123 · 02-13-2020, 09:10 AM

Eric Savoy has filed a putative class action in the Orange County courts charging PSA with knowingly grading altered cards and PWCC and Probstein with knowingly selling them. It asserts a variety of legal claims including (!!) civil RICO. I have a PDF of the Complaint but am not sure how to post it.

wharfrat7624 · 02-13-2020, 09:13 AM

Here it is

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-co...ball-cards.pdf

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Soxfanguy · 02-13-2020, 09:14 AM

Stech36 · 02-13-2020, 09:18 AM

Glad this is happening.

Shill bidding should not have been included in this. Hard to prove that PWCC was complicit in that.

signed79 · 02-13-2020, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stech36

Glad this is happening.

Shill bidding should not have been included in this. Hard to prove that PWCC was complicit in that.

There's text messages telling at least one person to raise the price on a card.

Stech36 · 02-13-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by signed79

There's text messages telling at least one person to raise the price on a card.

Didn’t know that!

KhalDrogo · 02-13-2020, 09:26 AM

Lock her up!

awz50 · 02-13-2020, 09:27 AM

Took long enough

MoreToppsPlease · 02-13-2020, 09:35 AM

I want to see this plastered all over the media for a long time. People need to know, the hobby damage has already happened.

Triple B · 02-13-2020, 09:35 AM

Is Eric Savoy someone well known?

MrPresident · 02-13-2020, 09:36 AM

That's rich. Long overdue.

MoreToppsPlease · 02-13-2020, 09:39 AM

I wonder if Joe O. will choose to discuss this in the next quarterly call...

3124508 on COMC · 02-13-2020, 09:40 AM

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The Defendants sought to increase their profits through an unlawful scheme. The Defendants, along with other entities and individuals, were employed by or associated with, and conducted or participated in the affairs of, one or several RICO enterprises whose purpose was to deceive consumers and the public into believing that they graded and sold unaltered baseball cards only, when in fact they were knowingly grading and selling altered cards for significantly inflated values.

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cking · 02-13-2020, 09:44 AM

Whoever you are that filed this suit...............DO NOT SETTLE.......thats exactly what they are going to try and do....get you to settle before discovery

Make you you go thru the discovery phase

Then the beacon of light will shine thru

There can be no denial by PSA..........especially on serial numbered cards

Scottish Punk · 02-13-2020, 09:51 AM

I want under oath court documents PSA explaining the trimmed cards in holders. Maybe that will force the back door dealings to come out. Probstein doesn't seem like the person to go down with PSA. Somebody's got to start talking..

corndog · 02-13-2020, 09:51 AM

Good news and many thanks to Eric.

ScooterD · 02-13-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

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How will you respond to a subpoena as an expert witness and/request to hand over your digital proof?

3124508 on COMC · 02-13-2020, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

How will you respond to a subpoena as an expert witness and/request to hand over your digital proof?

How will I be served?

pspa123 · 02-13-2020, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

How will you respond to a subpoena as an expert witness and/request to hand over your digital proof?

How does one subpoena a number?

Links242 · 02-13-2020, 10:06 AM

Eric Savoy you are our hero.

Rooftop · 02-13-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

How will I be served?

I'd request the witness protection program

speedyjg13 · 02-13-2020, 10:08 AM

Thank you Eric!!!!! I would refrain from submitting to PSA or buying PSA until this settles. Same thing goes for sending and buying from PWCC

KevinC · 02-13-2020, 10:09 AM

Wouldn't a guilty verdict in a case like this instantly devalue all graded cards?

Links242 · 02-13-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinC

Wouldn't a guilty verdict in a case like this instantly devalue all graded cards?

It def can.
But this crap have to be cleaned up. For the better future of this hobby it needs to be done.
Gotta take out the trash first.

smanzari · 02-13-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinC

Wouldn't a guilty verdict in a case like this instantly devalue all graded cards?

Its a civil case so there will be a civil judgement in either the Plantiff or Defendant's favor (No guilty/Not guilty)

02-13-2020, 09:10 AM	#1
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,743	Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein Eric Savoy has filed a putative class action in the Orange County courts charging PSA with knowingly grading altered cards and PWCC and Probstein with knowingly selling them. It asserts a variety of legal claims including (!!) civil RICO. I have a PDF of the Complaint but am not sure how to post it. __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

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02-13-2020, 09:35 AM	#9
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I want to see this plastered all over the media for a long time. People need to know, the hobby damage has already happened. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

02-13-2020, 09:13 AM	#2
wharfrat7624 Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Mt Laurel, NJ Posts: 6,622	Here it is https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-co...ball-cards.pdf Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-13-2020, 09:18 AM	#4
Stech36 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Westminster, MD Posts: 9,551 Stech36	Glad this is happening. Shill bidding should not have been included in this. Hard to prove that PWCC was complicit in that.

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Triple B Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,233	Is Eric Savoy someone well known? __________________ Wanted Dead or Alive! 1. 1997 Bowman's Best Jose Cruz, Jr Atomic Refractor Autograph 2. 1997 SPx Jose Cruz, Jr. Grand Finale /50

02-13-2020, 09:36 AM	#11
MrPresident Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,394	That's rich. Long overdue.

02-13-2020, 09:39 AM	#12
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I wonder if Joe O. will choose to discuss this in the next quarterly call... __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

02-13-2020, 09:44 AM	#14
cking Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16,263	Whoever you are that filed this suit...............DO NOT SETTLE.......thats exactly what they are going to try and do....get you to settle before discovery Make you you go thru the discovery phase Then the beacon of light will shine thru There can be no denial by PSA..........especially on serial numbered cards

02-13-2020, 09:51 AM	#15
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,878 scottishpunk	I want under oath court documents PSA explaining the trimmed cards in holders. Maybe that will force the back door dealings to come out. Probstein doesn't seem like the person to go down with PSA. Somebody's got to start talking..

02-13-2020, 09:51 AM	#16
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,172	Good news and many thanks to Eric. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

02-13-2020, 10:06 AM	#20
Links242 Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 4,162 links242	Eric Savoy you are our hero.

02-13-2020, 10:08 AM	#22
speedyjg13 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 17,268	Thank you Eric!!!!! I would refrain from submitting to PSA or buying PSA until this settles. Same thing goes for sending and buying from PWCC

02-13-2020, 10:09 AM	#23
KevinC Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: WNY Posts: 437	Wouldn't a guilty verdict in a case like this instantly devalue all graded cards?