What's going on with these BGS slabbed LeBron silvers?

Deadshot · 11-12-2020, 12:15 PM

https://twitter.com/Panda_Cards_/sta...31663092412418

The subtle differences in font suggest that one of these might not be a legitimate BGS slab.

EDIT: I reached out to someone on IG that speaks Chinese and could help me clarify a few details. He said the story goes as follows:

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“The first LeBron was sold via consignment in his store last year. The buyer reached out to the store months after and told them he/she bought an identical card on eBay with the same BGS cert number. The buyer sent the photos to the store and agreed to send both cards to them to examine. Nobody could have a definite answer for what exactly happened. The store later decided to make the post to let others know about the situation.”

N3XTLVL · 11-12-2020, 12:19 PM

The top one on the stack and label pick is the fake one . The print is faded .

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RedMike · 11-12-2020, 12:21 PM

the other subtle difference is the (IMO) the line on the penny sleeve. Beckett line is straight while the other one has tiny little bubbles.

NEED TO GET BECKETT TO ADVISE or provide a statement.. that scares the #@#@#@#@ out of me.

Edit: I take it back.. i can't tell LOL.

LoveLondon · 11-12-2020, 12:22 PM

I’m about to quit sports cards forever. Just so much shame in this hobby.

Ericc5Bears · 11-12-2020, 12:23 PM

My question is if you're going to go through all the trouble of faking a slab like that why would you do it on a card that's only worth like $250?

spurs50fan · 11-12-2020, 12:23 PM

Wherever money is, thieves are sure to be there

dgbarnes · 11-12-2020, 12:23 PM

The one with the subs in Bold looks less legit. But thats the only thing that looks off. If someone was to fake this, you'd think they would've gotten that correct.

Do we know if BGS has updated their label design?

Dame · 11-12-2020, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

My question is if you're going to go through all the trouble of faking a slab like that why would you do it on a card that's only worth like $250?

They’re just testing the market. Give it more time and they’ll start going after the bigger ones.

Bob824 · 11-12-2020, 01:11 PM

This is scary. I've always thought about how some collectors blur all or part of their slab number and how that might help slow this trend down.

Imagine if you saw YOUR card get fake slab'd.

YayNJ · 11-12-2020, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

My question is if you're going to go through all the trouble of faking a slab like that why would you do it on a card that's only worth like $250?

The same reason it's easier and better to fake £5 notes than it is £50 notes. Nobody looks twice at a £5 note, where as the £50 note is quite rare and people pay attention when they see one.

jcardstore · 11-12-2020, 01:30 PM

So then people are also manufacturing their own slabs so I'm sure it's coming out of China.

Seems like someone with access to a manufacturing facility would have a super easy time doing this and it would be hard to spot.

Comix Guy · 11-12-2020, 01:47 PM

I've seen this in multiple places and nobody has stated that maybe Beckett messed up the serial #.

KhalDrogo · 11-12-2020, 01:48 PM

Surprised it took this long to make a passable fake BGS slab. Let me know when they make a fake PSA lighthouse flip.

ChampCards · 11-12-2020, 01:57 PM

I feel this is the most likely as well.

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Originally Posted by Comix Guy

I've seen this in multiple places and nobody has stated that maybe Beckett messed up the serial #.

dgbarnes · 11-12-2020, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChampCards

I feel this is the most likely as well.

Could be, but it doesn't explain why one slab has a bold font for Subs and the other doesn't.

prospectorgems · 11-12-2020, 02:05 PM

I am going to go out on a limb here and just say BGS screwed up by placing the same plate on another card that was graded. Someone did show that the person had sent in 3 of the same card so it would make sense. The pressing on the plate probably got stuck and someone was just lazy in the QA process to not realize there were multiples of the same plate.

Archangel1775 · 11-12-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Comix Guy

I've seen this in multiple places and nobody has stated that maybe Beckett messed up the serial #.

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Originally Posted by dgbarnes

Could be, but it doesn't explain why one slab has a bold font for Subs and the other doesn't.

Someone pointed up the cards before and after were the same. That doesn't explain the different font though....

prospectorgems · 11-12-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Someone pointed up the cards before and after were the same. That doesn't explain the different font though....

It kind of does though. I am not sure how these plates get printed on, but could very well be that it was stamped twice, in error and due to that, font can appear darker or skewed. In fact, who knows, maybe it stamped 5 of those exact plates and they only threw away 3 of them. Look at misprints on cards, we all know it can happen with Topps and Panini, can't see why it would be any different with Beckett.

Edit: I am taking this back as I didn't look that closely at the slabs and do see the G in Gem Mint is quite off. If these are going to be faked, that is going to be so bad.

Jay9Suited · 11-12-2020, 02:12 PM

If anyone sees any issues with either slab be careful not to post specifically what the issue is. We don't want the counterfeiter to improve on their work. For those saying one is a fake, which do you believe to be so? One of them definitely looks "off" to me.

superdan49 · 11-12-2020, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

If anyone sees any issues with either slab be careful not to post specifically what the issue is. We don't want the counterfeiter to improve on their work. For those saying one is a fake, which do you believe to be so? One of them definitely looks "off" to me.

This is 100% on Beckett for not upgrading their slab security since 2001. I disagree that we should not post differences. If the scammers improve their craft and Beckett does not respond, then they might as well just close up shop because all trust in their slabs will be destroyed.

Here is the difference I spotted based on the Twitter photos that Kyle linked. Beckett flips (labels) come from perforated sheets. Therefore, there are small teeth on each flip. One of the two gold flips in question has teeth, the other does not:

KhalDrogo · 11-12-2020, 02:30 PM

Second what Dan says. This is an obvious fake. The Beckett logo on the plastic slab appears off also.

Any BGS slab can be faked thanks to the informative pop report.

Jay9Suited · 11-12-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

This is 100% on Beckett for not upgrading their slab security since 2001. I disagree that we should not post differences. If the scammers improve their craft and Beckett does not respond, then they might as well just close up shop because all trust in their slabs will be destroyed.

Here is the difference I spotted based on the Twitter photos that Kyle linked. Beckett flips (labels) come from perforated sheets. Therefore, there are small teeth on each flip. One of the two gold flips in question has teeth, the other does not:

The perforated edges was the first thing I noticed. The other thing was that "Gem Mint" beneath the overall grade should be slightly shifted to the left rather than centered. In the photo of the "Beckett" seals you can see the one on the left is the correct font.

Jay9Suited · 11-12-2020, 02:37 PM

A couple other things to note:

The flip in question doesn't appear to fit in the designated area and isn't even cut straight.

In this photo you can see another difference in how the cases are put together (left real, right in question)

acumm11 · 11-12-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

A couple other things to note:

The flip in question doesn't appear to fit in the designated area and isn't even cut straight.

In this photo you can see another difference in how the cases are put together (left real, right in question)

The Beckett font looks different as well.

Jay9Suited · 11-12-2020, 02:56 PM

I was going through my personal BGS slabs, all are legitimate but did notice a lot of variance with the font used in the autograph grade flip.

11-12-2020, 12:19 PM	#2
N3XTLVL Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: redford,michigan Posts: 1,847 N3XTLVL313	The top one on the stack and label pick is the fake one . The print is faded . Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk __________________ Ian Kinsler,Le'Veon Bell, and Nick Castellanos super collector. hmu with any that you have high or low end. also collect misfits music, GPK SKETCH,B/W or sketch comic overs,and 70's horror pulp or magazine comics.

11-12-2020, 12:21 PM	#3
RedMike Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: I am mostly active on Instagram - Msg me there. Posts: 802 redmikec	the other subtle difference is the (IMO) the line on the penny sleeve. Beckett line is straight while the other one has tiny little bubbles. NEED TO GET BECKETT TO ADVISE or provide a statement.. that scares the #@#@#@#@ out of me. Edit: I take it back.. i can't tell LOL. Last edited by RedMike; 11-12-2020 at 12:24 PM.

11-12-2020, 01:11 PM	#9
Bob824 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 577 bikerbobing	This is scary. I've always thought about how some collectors blur all or part of their slab number and how that might help slow this trend down. Imagine if you saw YOUR card get fake slab'd. __________________ Long-time Lakers fan (now rooting for Rip City, Go Blazers! ). PC is PSA 8 or higher Kobe Bryant Rookie Year cards. Looking for Noir and on-card autos of Showtime to Kobe era Lakers, Kobe error cards, and Kobe Anthology 10/24 cards. IG: bob824cards

11-12-2020, 01:30 PM	#11
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 22,098 Jcardstore	So then people are also manufacturing their own slabs so I'm sure it's coming out of China. Seems like someone with access to a manufacturing facility would have a super easy time doing this and it would be hard to spot. __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

11-12-2020, 12:22 PM	#4
LoveLondon Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 422	I’m about to quit sports cards forever. Just so much shame in this hobby.

11-12-2020, 12:23 PM	#5
Ericc5Bears Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 1,269	My question is if you're going to go through all the trouble of faking a slab like that why would you do it on a card that's only worth like $250?

11-12-2020, 12:23 PM	#6
spurs50fan Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 3,991	Wherever money is, thieves are sure to be there

11-12-2020, 12:23 PM	#7
dgbarnes Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 657	The one with the subs in Bold looks less legit. But thats the only thing that looks off. If someone was to fake this, you'd think they would've gotten that correct. Do we know if BGS has updated their label design?

11-12-2020, 01:47 PM	#12
Comix Guy Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,570	I've seen this in multiple places and nobody has stated that maybe Beckett messed up the serial #.

11-12-2020, 01:48 PM	#13
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,391	Surprised it took this long to make a passable fake BGS slab. Let me know when they make a fake PSA lighthouse flip.

11-12-2020, 02:05 PM	#16
prospectorgems Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,251 hobbygems	I am going to go out on a limb here and just say BGS screwed up by placing the same plate on another card that was graded. Someone did show that the person had sent in 3 of the same card so it would make sense. The pressing on the plate probably got stuck and someone was just lazy in the QA process to not realize there were multiples of the same plate.

11-12-2020, 02:12 PM	#19
Jay9Suited Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,252	If anyone sees any issues with either slab be careful not to post specifically what the issue is. We don't want the counterfeiter to improve on their work. For those saying one is a fake, which do you believe to be so? One of them definitely looks "off" to me.

11-12-2020, 02:30 PM	#21
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,391	Second what Dan says. This is an obvious fake. The Beckett logo on the plastic slab appears off also. Any BGS slab can be faked thanks to the informative pop report.

11-12-2020, 02:37 PM	#23
Jay9Suited Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,252	A couple other things to note: The flip in question doesn't appear to fit in the designated area and isn't even cut straight. In this photo you can see another difference in how the cases are put together (left real, right in question)

11-12-2020, 02:56 PM	#25
Jay9Suited Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,252	I was going through my personal BGS slabs, all are legitimate but did notice a lot of variance with the font used in the autograph grade flip.