Alert: PWCC Selling Trimmed PSA 9 1964 Topps Hank Aaron #300 w/ PWCC Sticker

3124508 on COMC · 12-21-2020, 09:45 PM

Card is from a consignmints (Tuttle brothers) PSA submission and was first sold trimmed by Steve Novella on his eBay account (eBay ID: www.stevenovella.com). It now has a PWCC sticker due to it being "[t]he finest '64 Topps Hank Aaron #300 [they've] brokered in [their] long tenure" (see below). The card is trimmed on the left edge, bottom edge, and top edge (however only adjacent to the top right corner as noted). Buyer beware.

PSA cert #: 26350705

Bruins1993 · 12-21-2020, 10:15 PM

Impressive find! Thanks 3124508!

Rooftop · 12-21-2020, 10:16 PM

No way you trim these cards unless you have someone on the inside at PSA

Bruins1993 · 12-21-2020, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooftop

No way you trim these cards unless you have someone on the inside at PSA

"Grading is not conducted in a science lab. It is simply humans looking at collectibles." - Joe Orlando

"There are realities and limitations to what any third-party service can do." - Joe Orlando

pip · 12-22-2020, 12:38 AM

You'd have to be blind to miss that type of crooked trim on the top edge. Pathetic.

CaptSpaulding · 12-22-2020, 12:51 AM

Pretty simple stuff to have a raw 64 Topps card in your hand and see if it is trimmed or not before you put it in a 9 holder. Takes a few seconds, really, if you grade with your eyes open.

YourAvgSutton · 12-22-2020, 02:27 PM

As always, thank you very much for this tremendous find.

superdan49 · 12-22-2020, 06:26 PM

You should just name these threads "Look what I found in Target today!!!" and you'll get triple the views.

Also, great find on this Aaron. I can only imagine how many cards were altered by the Tuttles.

3124508 on COMC · 12-23-2020, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

You'd have to be blind to miss that type of crooked trim on the top edge. Pathetic.

The cut on top left corner was what stood out to me, but yeah, that’s not good either.

pip · 12-23-2020, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

The cut on top left corner was what stood out to me, but yeah, that’s not good either.

Yes, it's pretty funky. The card molesters must have borrowed Evan's $7.99 paper cutter for some of these trim jobs.

auburn35 · 12-23-2020, 11:38 AM

Nice find. I didn't see the auction link in the OP but it appears PWCC pulled this listing.

Based on other reviews, I'm guessing PSA won't admit fault and sends the card back with a supporting letter. Maybe the PWCC sticker even helps get the card bumped into the PSA 10 grade PWCC views the card?

CaptSpaulding · 12-23-2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

Nice find. I didn't see the auction link in the OP but it appears PWCC pulled this listing.

Based on other reviews, I'm guessing PSA won't admit fault and sends the card back with a supporting letter. Maybe the PWCC sticker even helps get the card bumped into the PSA 10 grade PWCC views the card?

Like many of the others, it was taken down to be listed at a later date when there is less attention on it. More of the catch me if ya can. I would have more respect for him if he just left it up.

wcardguy · 12-23-2020, 05:40 PM

Anyone who has ever seen a 64 Topps, or really any baseball card ever, should know that 9 is way too narrow. THE CARDS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.

pip · 12-23-2020, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wcardguy

Anyone who has ever seen a 64 Topps, or really any baseball card ever, should know that 9 is way too narrow. THE CARDS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.

The problem though is that 1964 Topps vending is commonly narrow L-R. It is sometimes difficult, though not impossible, to tell the difference from an online image.

wcardguy · 12-24-2020, 01:29 PM

I personally have never heard of 64s having variability in width, but that could just be me. What I do know is that one can find tons of narrow 64s with suspiciously sharp corners in graded slabs. Given the thin white borders I suspect it is a favorite of trimmers.

RetailHitsOnly · 12-27-2020, 07:11 AM

Was it possible that cards get so miscut at the factory that the tpg inserting them into a general card-sized measuring frame to detect corner-to-corner irregularities be considered pointless? I don’t know...

I don’t understand why it seems that minimal effort is being applied to the grading process by these top companies, if that is not the case. I’m sure they’ve thought out better ways to improve it unless they just don’t want to, for one reason or another.

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Donkaylove · 01-02-2021, 01:17 PM

buyer beware----raw and graded greg maddux cards listed on steve novella ebay ending in four days. Most have the top and right sides shaved. I wanted the stadium club gold, but the edges just glow/short

Rooftop · 02-16-2023, 04:20 PM

Where are we at on this Novella guy? He's got a lot of high grade cards on ebay right now.

StateEx · 02-16-2023, 04:57 PM

Missed this thread the first time around. That Aaron is appalling. It was a great looking 7... now it's a weird looking 9.

Rooftop · 02-17-2023, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooftop

Where are we at on this Novella guy? He's got a lot of high grade cards on ebay right now.

Anybody?

12-21-2020, 09:45 PM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,399	Alert: PWCC Selling Trimmed PSA 9 1964 Topps Hank Aaron #300 w/ PWCC Sticker Card is from a consignmints (Tuttle brothers) PSA submission and was first sold trimmed by Steve Novella on his eBay account (eBay ID: www.stevenovella.com). It now has a PWCC sticker due to it being "[t]he finest '64 Topps Hank Aaron #300 [they've] brokered in [their] long tenure" (see below). The card is trimmed on the left edge, bottom edge, and top edge (however only adjacent to the top right corner as noted). Buyer beware. PSA cert #: 26350705 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

12-21-2020, 10:15 PM	#2
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,291	Impressive find! Thanks 3124508! __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight

12-22-2020, 06:26 PM	#8
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	You should just name these threads "Look what I found in Target today!!!" and you'll get triple the views. Also, great find on this Aaron. I can only imagine how many cards were altered by the Tuttles. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

12-23-2020, 11:38 AM	#11
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,370	Nice find. I didn't see the auction link in the OP but it appears PWCC pulled this listing. Based on other reviews, I'm guessing PSA won't admit fault and sends the card back with a supporting letter. Maybe the PWCC sticker even helps get the card bumped into the PSA 10 grade PWCC views the card? __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

12-21-2020, 10:16 PM	#3
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,508	No way you trim these cards unless you have someone on the inside at PSA

12-22-2020, 12:38 AM	#5
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	You'd have to be blind to miss that type of crooked trim on the top edge. Pathetic.

12-22-2020, 12:51 AM	#6
CaptSpaulding Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,457	Pretty simple stuff to have a raw 64 Topps card in your hand and see if it is trimmed or not before you put it in a 9 holder. Takes a few seconds, really, if you grade with your eyes open.

12-22-2020, 02:27 PM	#7
YourAvgSutton Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,792 sudbud!	As always, thank you very much for this tremendous find.

12-23-2020, 05:40 PM	#13
wcardguy Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 322	Anyone who has ever seen a 64 Topps, or really any baseball card ever, should know that 9 is way too narrow. THE CARDS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.

12-24-2020, 01:29 PM	#15
wcardguy Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 322	I personally have never heard of 64s having variability in width, but that could just be me. What I do know is that one can find tons of narrow 64s with suspiciously sharp corners in graded slabs. Given the thin white borders I suspect it is a favorite of trimmers.

12-27-2020, 07:11 AM	#16
RetailHitsOnly Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 298	Was it possible that cards get so miscut at the factory that the tpg inserting them into a general card-sized measuring frame to detect corner-to-corner irregularities be considered pointless? I don’t know... I don’t understand why it seems that minimal effort is being applied to the grading process by these top companies, if that is not the case. I’m sure they’ve thought out better ways to improve it unless they just don’t want to, for one reason or another. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-02-2021, 01:17 PM	#17
Donkaylove Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: PNW Posts: 3,197	buyer beware----raw and graded greg maddux cards listed on steve novella ebay ending in four days. Most have the top and right sides shaved. I wanted the stadium club gold, but the edges just glow/short

02-16-2023, 04:20 PM	#18
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,508	Where are we at on this Novella guy? He's got a lot of high grade cards on ebay right now.

02-16-2023, 04:57 PM	#19
StateEx Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,053	Missed this thread the first time around. That Aaron is appalling. It was a great looking 7... now it's a weird looking 9.