Tiger Woods and his Rookie Card Discussion!

Thunderdunk · 02-21-2021, 04:42 PM

Hello ALL Tiger Enthusiasts!

Wanted to start a thread discussing the various Tiger Woods Rookies that are out there. We have the other thread that shows of some amazing Tiger Rookies and Autographs but with STRONG interest in the market place, I thought it would be a good time to discuss Tiger Rookies and what makes a rookie.

Disclaimer, I own, several SI Kids Cards, I do think there is a place for them in the history of Tiger Woods Cards. I do also own the 2001 SP Authentic Rookie Autograph Limited to 900, 2001 SP Preview, Champions of Golf Masters Card, Promo & VIP Promo Rookies, and Several of the Base #1 Rookies. Good thing is we get to collect what we want, glad we have options.

In the other major sports, "pack pulled" determines the Rookie card. I know there are XRC’s of other cards and people call them the “rookies” as well but there is usually a year and a product that would be considered the pack pulled rookie. I do think that there is acceptance for the “other” rookies in the market place. And rightfully so!

With Tiger we have several cards that people consider is his Rookie.

• 1996 SI Kids Card ( released in a magazine for children)
• 1997-1999 Grand Slam Ventures Champions of Golf (tall card)
• 2001 Sp Authentic Preview #21 ( Pack Pulled )
• 2001 Upper Deck Base Rookie #1 ( Pack Pulled )
• 2001 Sp Authentic Rookie Autograph Limited to 900 (Green) and Limited 100 (Gold) ( Pack Pulled )
• There are others as well that we can discuss

Here is what the Industry Leader PSA says about the Tiger Woods Rookies (Look at the "R" next to Tiger's Name)

1996 SI Kids Card (does not designate this as the (R) Rookie)

2001 Upper Deck Base #1 (R = Rookie)

2001 Upper Deck Promo (R = Rookie)

2001 Sp Authentic Rookie Auto Limited to 900 or 100 (R = Rookie)

I for one think there is a place for all of these. But I will say, pack pulled matters and is the end all be all of the discussion. PSA is blanket saying that 2001 Upper Deck is the Rookie Year. I agree as Upper Deck was officially licensed by Tiger, who has said this was very important to him and he values his partnership with Upper Deck ( Ill look for the video and link it here, but there is one that Tiger talks about this).

If you do not consider pack pulled “the Rookie” you would have to go back to all the baseball players and now consider all their minor league cards as their main rookie. Ken Griffey Jr, has a couple of minor league cards that were a few years before his iconic 1989 Upper Deck #1. But we all consider his Upper Deck #1 the Rookie to have. Same for many other players. Even Tiger’s Si Kids card has him featuring an US Amateur Hat on in the picture. I would equate this to the minor league card of Ken Griffey Jr, or you could take it even a step further and put it equal to the Jordan Star Card. All are rookies, yes, absolutely, but I am here to argue that card #45 from 2001 SP Authentic and Card #1 from Upper Deck are Tigers first Licensed and Pack Pulled Rookies. Golf is not released every year like other sports, never has and never will be. Upper Deck had a nice run with golf due to Tiger’s success, but still not produced every year. And when the SI Kids Card Sold in 2001 for 125K this was due to how popular Tiger is and was at the time. If the SP Authentic was out during this time it probably would have cleared 7 figures. Tiger is an ICON in the world of sport.

Now with all this said. Darren Rovell is now discussing how he thinks the SI Kids card is the rookie on Twitter and Instagram. I understand he has a vested interest from his ESPN article in 2001 about the Si Kids card and his connection to it. But I am here to say there is room for both but the 2001 Sp Rookie Autograph is the most iconic card, in my opinion, in all of sport. Even more iconic than the Jordan Fleer or the 52 Mantle. I know not all of you will agree with me, but as a Golf Nut first and foremost, this is how I feel. Many people have agreed on his twitter post, with the SP Rookie Auto reigning supreme as the rookie. I have even been discussing this with him. Rovell wants none of it and even contradicts himself with the Jordan Star Card Reference. Says its not pack pulled so its not the Rookie (see below). He purchased 2 of the Kids Cards in PSA 8, Hence him discussing this card a lot on social media to his followers. I think he is now up to 7 or 8 post about it and even did a video.

With all of that said, I think the market has been speaking loud and clear since the 2001 SP Rookie Autograph and 2001 Upper Deck #1 were released. Prices of the 2001 SP have been 20x that of the Kids card and rightfully so…. PACK PULLED, Autographed, Limited Nature (only 1000 ever made). Kids card, is out of a magazine, SI Even asked PSA/BGS to stop grading them, and they did. Rovell Even reported on this in the ESPN article. LINK

There are the following auctions that are showing us all what the market believes and I will link them below. But first here are the Goldin Auctions that are ending in 2 weeks. Once again the Tiger SP Rookie Auto Limited to 900 (Green) or Limited to 100 (Gold) is leading the way. Im not comfortable with the BGS 9.5 Si Kids card that they have listed as there are a lot of Reperforated or Trimmed Si Kids cards out there, graded in PSA and BGS holders...

Also Just remember, the population report on the Kids Card is Low due to PSA and BGS stopping grading them for a long period of time. There will only be 1000 of the SP Rookie Autographs.

"Recent" Past Auction Results:
•SOLD: Goldin PSA 10 (no PSA 10/10s) Tiger Woods SP Rookie Autograph Limited to 100 Gold: $344,000 LINK
---> This Gold Version (limited to 100) of Tigers Best Card should be worth over 1M if Lebron's limited to 99, In BGS 8.5 is going for over a million dollars. Tiger is as iconic, if not more then Lebron. Just one man's opinion.
•SOLD: Goldin PSA 10 2001 Tiger Woods SP Rookie Autograph Limited to 900: $85,200: LINK
•SOLD: Heritage Auction 2001 PSA 10 Tiger Woods SP Rookie Autograph Limited to 900: $87,000 LINK
•eBay Tiger Woods PSA 10 Si Kids Card: Sold 2 weeks ago for 35,000 and it was on ebay at that price for several months. LINK
•eBay Tiger Woods BGS 10 Si Kids Card: Sold on eBay Buy it Now for $55,000 this last week. Link to Buy it now price

With all of this said, here are some useful links to some of the research that has done and AMAZING inputs from others as well.

Tiger Woods Trimming/Reperforated Si Kids Cards Info: LINK to SuperDans Input

Link to the SI Kids Card Discussion on Blowout: LINK

"Many will debate which cards are Tiger Woods rookie cards. 1996 SI for Kids was the first, but it was part of a perforated sheet found in a magazine. The Grand Slam Ventures card was part of a box set but it had reprints in ensuing years. The Upper Deck and SP Authentic Tiger Woods cards are the first to be inserted in traditional packs. It's important for collectors, especially in instances like these, to use their own preferences. There are valid arguments for all four cards listed below." Here is the Link to the Cardboard Connection Article

Population Reports Data on the Gold/Green 2001 Sp Tiger Woods Rookie Autograph: Link

Link to amazing discussion from Blowout Board Members showing off their Tiger Collections and Golf Cards: LINK

Just thought it would be fun to discuss these cards in a different way, but from my point of view we have a few different rookies to choose from for Tiger, which is a good thing!

golfgasm · 02-21-2021, 05:02 PM

Whoa funny I saw those tweets as well and was having this discussion with a few other golf nuts. Couldn't agree more...I mean I own all of these rookies and it really isn't a contest the 2001 Upper Deck and SP Authentic are the rookies. That's not to say the SIFK and GSV aren't valuable and relevant! They are epic extended rookie cards!

Time has shown and will continue to show that 2001 SPA and 2001 UD will be considered the true rookie. Always has been since 2001. Beckett OPG and PSA's SMR confirm that as well as just about everyone in the industry.

peterose4hof · 02-21-2021, 05:04 PM

I picked this up real cheap. Not sure if it's a reprint or the real thing.

Would love to hear some opinions.

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golfgasm · 02-21-2021, 05:06 PM

That's a REPRINT not the original

Thunderdunk · 02-21-2021, 05:06 PM

I think that is the anniversary reprint card. Not the SI Kids Card we are discussing.

Thunderdunk · 02-21-2021, 05:32 PM

That anniversary card reminded me of these..

The 2001 SP Rookie Auto is so Iconic, Upper Deck even made a 2014 Tribute card to it, of other GOAT players. Jack, Jordan, Arnold, Lebron and many others paying tribute to the 2001 Tiger Woods SP Rookie Auto! All autographed, limited to 10, all look exactly like the 2001 SP Tiger Woods Rookie Auto! Amazing!

Tomi · 02-21-2021, 06:22 PM

Would it be safe to say since 2001 is his rookie year that every card from that year is a rookie card?

peterose4hof · 02-21-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

I think that is the anniversary reprint card. Not the SI Kids Card we are discussing.

Thanks. Still a cool card to own and I didn't pay much for it.

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Thunderdunk · 02-22-2021, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Would it be safe to say since 2001 is his rookie year that every card from that year is a rookie card?

I think the market has adapted to this mentality over time with new types of products being put out from Panini and Upper Deck.

As an example, the Lebron Limited Logo's from Exquisite. Those are technically an insert from his rookie year but everyone calls them a Rookie Card. But from the Exquisite set, there is one care that is truly the Rookie. In my personal opinion, I do think calling a insert from his Rookie year a "RC" is absolutely fine and should be considered a rookie. But thats for all to discuss and debate.

Docrinki · 02-22-2021, 11:19 AM

I feel that he only has two rookie cards. The base Upper deck one and the Sp authentic future watch /900. I do not believe that inserts or parallels are rookie cards. Grand Slam and SI cards would not be true rookie cards. It does not mean parallels do not have value. It’s just my feeling of the Rookie card definition. The beauty is we can all have our own belief. Collect what you want and pay what you feel is appropriate.

gingerpescado · 02-22-2021, 10:33 PM

SI for Kids has explicitly said the "cards" are editorial content - they even sent PSA a letter saying not to grade them. The did this for legal reasons - because if they are 'cards' , the players would need to be compensated. Regardless, many cards from places like SI for Kids are similar to cards like 1960 Hemmets Journal and other places where they were not intended to be cards. Yet, The Hemmets Journal Cassius Clay card is considered his rookie.

So this conversation about SI for kids goes way beyond the 1990s/80s and I'd argue that since we treat other cut/perforated cards as rookies, his SI should be considered A Rookie. A Rookie, not specifically his only rookie.

Tonic3 · 02-23-2021, 01:53 PM

Here's my top 5 Tiger pack pulled rookie cards from 2001 only (No SIFK, Master's of Golf, Promo, etc...). Also not included are rookie insert auto's, jersey cards, Player's Ink, etc... That would be a whole different list.

1. 2001 SP Authentic Gold auto #/100 (Duh

)
2. 2001 SP Authentic "Green" auto #/900
3. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50
4. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50
5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250
6. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Gold Parallel #/250

Ok, so 6 total cards but an argument could be made either way on how to order 4 and 5. The top 3 are a no brainer in my opinion

Leather Larceny · 02-24-2021, 01:08 AM

I'm happy Tiger survived the accident and is out of surgery!

My list:

1) 2002 SP Game Used 2001 UD 1 Buyback Auto /18

2) 2001 SP Authentic Authentic Stars Gold Auto /100
3) 2001 SP Authentic Authentic Stars Auto /900
4) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 Red /50
5) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 Gold /250
6) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 XXXX/SAMPLE
7) 2001 UD 1

Fun to see everyone's lists! Hoping for a smooth recovery for Tiger!

jick · 02-24-2021, 06:56 AM

I have collated all the autographed cards I know from his rookie year. Technically, the /900 is the pack-pulled RC but it is actually has the highest population. While some argue that even the /900 is undervalued, I would dare to say that the rest here are even more undervalued. I don't mean to say they should surpass the /900, but some of their completed sales results are low.

As of 2-21-2021 pop reports of 2001 Tiger Woods Autographs - with me ranking them from least to most:

1) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /4
BGS =4
PSA = 1
Total = 5

2) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /29
BGS = 18
BGS = 5
Total = 23

3) 2001 Sign Of The Times Gold/25
BGS = 18
PSA = 9
Total = 27

4) 2001 UD Players Ink Gold
BGS = 23
PSA = 9
Total = 32

5) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /65
BGS = 34
PSA = 11
Total = 45

6) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /66
BGS = 38
PSA = 16
Total = 54

7) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /273
BGS = 132
PSA = 37
Total = 169

8) 2001 SP Authentic Rookie Autograph /100
BGS = 128
PSA = 45
Total = 173

9) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /274
BGS = 146
PSA = 46
Total = 192

10) 2001 Sign Of The Times
BGS = 160
PSA = 100
Total = 260

11) 2001 UD Players Ink
BGS = 227
PSA = 154
Total = 381

12) 2001 SP Authentic Rookie Autograph /900
BGS=704
PSA=294
Total = 998

In totality including variants combined:

SOTT (Reg + Gold)= 287
UD Players' Ink (Reg + Gold) = 423
SOTT Red (/4+/29 +/65 +/66 +/273 +/274)= 488
SP Authentic RC (/900 + /100) = 1,171

Thus, I would say that the most underrated is the standard SOTT with the black/white image. In totality, there are actually more with the red image out there.

jbettis32 · 02-24-2021, 10:00 AM

Very well analysis, however, I do think collectors still believe the SP/900 is the one to own, and is considered as the "real" auto rc. Won't know how the collectors will react down the road.

Anyway, just a quick note that BGS is the king in that era, everyone is sending vintage to psa, and modern to bgs. You can easily see bgs is out populate the psa copies. But time flies, psa is outsold bgs by a mile.

jondmac2005 · 02-24-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jick

SOTT (Reg + Gold)= 287
UD Players' Ink (Reg + Gold) = 423
SOTT Red (/4+/29 +/65 +/66 +/273 +/274)= 488
SP Authentic RC (/900 + /100) = 1,171

Thus, I would say that the most underrated is the standard SOTT with the black/white image. In totality, there are actually more with the red image out there.

Exactly right! Supply drives value and limited supply drives premiums.

golfgasm · 02-24-2021, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Leather Larceny

I'm happy Tiger survived the accident and is out of surgery!

My list:

1) 2002 SP Game Used 2001 UD 1 Buyback Auto /18

2) 2001 SP Authentic Authentic Stars Gold Auto /100
3) 2001 SP Authentic Authentic Stars Auto /900
4) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 Red /50
5) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 Gold /250
6) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 XXXX/SAMPLE
7) 2001 UD 1

Fun to see everyone's lists! Hoping for a smooth recovery for Tiger!

Awesome! someone who appreciates & understands the magnitude of the /18! That card is EPIC AF!

Leather Larceny · 02-24-2021, 01:23 PM

That UD Buyback card is pack-pulled (in keeping with what's been discussed in this thread), with on-card autograph authenticated by Upper Deck, numbered to only 18 and on Tiger's 2001 UD rookie card with that iconic point from the 2000 PGA Championship playoff! IMO it doesn't get much better than that!

All of the Tiger Woods cards that have been mentioned above in this and in other threads in this forum are absolutely fantastic (e.g. 2001 UD SPA Gold /100, 2001 UD SPA /900, 2001 UD SPA SOTT /4, 2013 Tiger Woods Master Collection cards, 2014 UD SPA Tiger Tribute cards to name only a few) -- I would gladly welcome any of them into my PC! However, if I were given the opportunity to own only one of the above Tiger Woods cards, it would have to be this one without a doubt!

jondmac2005 · 02-24-2021, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Leather Larceny

That UD Buyback card is pack-pulled (in keeping with what's been discussed in this thread), with on-card autograph authenticated by Upper Deck, numbered to only 18 and on Tiger's 2001 UD rookie card with that iconic point from the 2000 PGA Championship playoff! IMO it doesn't get much better than that!

All of the Tiger Woods cards that have been mentioned above in this and in other threads in this forum are absolutely fantastic (e.g. 2001 UD SPA Gold /100, 2001 UD SPA /900, 2001 UD SPA SOTT /4, 2013 Tiger Woods Master Collection cards, 2014 UD SPA Tiger Tribute cards to name only a few) -- I would gladly welcome any of them into my PC! However, if I were given the opportunity to own only one of the above Tiger Woods cards, it would have to be this one without a doubt!

This card does not make my shortlist as buy-backs were not part of the original release but used as marketing to sell other product from later years.

Tonic3 · 02-24-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jondmac2005

This card does not make my shortlist as buy-backs were not part of the original release but used as marketing to sell other product from later years.

Agreed. It's no different than UD buying back some 2001 SP Authentic Preview cards, having Tiger sign them, and then putting them in the golf products coming out this year. While it would be very collectable (trust me, I'd love to have one) and pack pulled, it's not how the original card was released so I don't include it in my top list.

The UD buyback #/18 is still awesome though, and congrats to whomever owns one

golfgasm · 02-24-2021, 02:20 PM

I think most of us have similar lists for auto and non auto pack pulled
1. 2001 SP Authentic Gold auto #/100
2. 2001 SP Authentic "Green" auto #/900
3. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50
4. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50
5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250

For licensed 2001 non auto rookies I have
1. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50
2. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50
3. 2001 Upper Deck GOLD Fan Collection card (regular and jumbo)
4. 2001 Upper Deck VIP #TW badge Promo
5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250
6. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Gold Parallel #/250
7. 2001 Upper Deck dealer folder card #PROMO
8. 2001 Upper Deck GREEN Fan Collection
9. 2001 SP Preview xxxx/sample
10. 2001 Upper Deck #1

As much as I love the /18 buyback it really isn't a rookie in its traditional sense. It is one of the best non rookie/rookie hybrid autos out there for sure!! I like it even better than the other buybacks in 2002 game used...not even close that pose at Vahalla was epic. It is my favorite Tiger card of all time. I love the #21 red preview /50 as well...such a sweet card.

Thunderdunk · 02-24-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by golfgasm

I think most of us have similar lists for auto and non auto pack pulled
1. 2001 SP Authentic Gold auto #/100
2. 2001 SP Authentic "Green" auto #/900
3. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50
4. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50
5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250

For licensed 2001 non auto rookies I have
1. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50
2. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50
3. 2001 Upper Deck GOLD Fan Collection card (regular and jumbo)
4. 2001 Upper Deck VIP #TW badge Promo
5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250
6. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Gold Parallel #/250
7. 2001 Upper Deck dealer folder card #PROMO
8. 2001 Upper Deck GREEN Fan Collection
9. 2001 SP Preview xxxx/sample
10. 2001 Upper Deck #1

As much as I love the /18 buyback it really isn't a rookie in its traditional sense. It is one of the best non rookie/rookie hybrid autos out there for sure!! I like it even better than the other buybacks in 2002 game used...not even close that pose at Vahalla was epic. It is my favorite Tiger card of all time. I love the #21 red preview /50 as well...such a sweet card.

Great list everyone! Your number 1-5 and 1-10 are all amazing ones! I also think the Buyback #1 is a unicorn in the hobby along with the SOTT Red /4 and a few others. So Amazing.

I did include the Promo up top in this discussion even though it is not pack pulled, your #4/#7. PSA also includes it as a Rookie from 2001. I think this one is one of the best photo's of all the Tiger Cards out there. Just Iconic and one of the best that immortalized Tiger during his dominate run. So Glad Upper Deck made this one. There are 2 variations of this, and the thing that is different is the word Promo or TW as the card number on the back. I discuss them here in the other thread: LINK . I reference the BGS numbers in that thread, but the PSA amounts are even less. Such an Iconic card, Promo or TW you cant go wrong, but TW(VIP) is a fraction of the print run of the Promo. Either way, there are not many of either of them. My Guess is total around 1500 of the "Promo" and 250 of the VIP "TW"? Don't quote me on that but, would seem inline with the population reports.

Those SP Previews are getting some love as well. Those are very high on the Rookie list! Pack pulled as well and amazing RC's. They are embossed and very quality pieces. The /50 (RED) and /250 (Gold) are

golfgasm · 02-24-2021, 03:57 PM

Nice to see $20,000+ in scans! lol

jondmac2005 · 02-24-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonic3

Agreed. It's no different than UD buying back some 2001 SP Authentic Preview cards, having Tiger sign them, and then putting them in the golf products coming out this year. While it would be very collectable (trust me, I'd love to have one) and pack pulled, it's not how the original card was released so I don't include it in my top list.

The UD buyback #/18 is still awesome though, and congrats to whomever owns one

Agreed. There is a difference between Awesome and Epic!

golfgasm · 02-25-2021, 11:09 AM

So did everyone catch that PSA 10 Tiger /900 auto go off last night? Over $83,000 with a sub par auto!? Marquee Tiger holdings are through the roof! Really just about everything is...even Nicklaus stuff is way up.

02-21-2021, 05:32 PM	#6
Thunderdunk Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 823	That anniversary card reminded me of these.. The 2001 SP Rookie Auto is so Iconic, Upper Deck even made a 2014 Tribute card to it, of other GOAT players. Jack, Jordan, Arnold, Lebron and many others paying tribute to the 2001 Tiger Woods SP Rookie Auto! All autographed, limited to 10, all look exactly like the 2001 SP Tiger Woods Rookie Auto! Amazing! Last edited by Thunderdunk; 02-21-2021 at 05:39 PM.

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Tonic3 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southwest MI Posts: 2,491	Here's my top 5 Tiger pack pulled rookie cards from 2001 only (No SIFK, Master's of Golf, Promo, etc...). Also not included are rookie insert auto's, jersey cards, Player's Ink, etc... That would be a whole different list. 1. 2001 SP Authentic Gold auto #/100 (Duh ) 2. 2001 SP Authentic "Green" auto #/900 3. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50 4. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50 5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250 6. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Gold Parallel #/250 Ok, so 6 total cards but an argument could be made either way on how to order 4 and 5. The top 3 are a no brainer in my opinion Last edited by Tonic3; 02-24-2021 at 12:54 AM.

02-21-2021, 04:42 PM	#1
Thunderdunk Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 823	Tiger Woods and his Rookie Card Discussion! Hello ALL Tiger Enthusiasts! Wanted to start a thread discussing the various Tiger Woods Rookies that are out there. We have the other thread that shows of some amazing Tiger Rookies and Autographs but with STRONG interest in the market place, I thought it would be a good time to discuss Tiger Rookies and what makes a rookie. Disclaimer, I own, several SI Kids Cards, I do think there is a place for them in the history of Tiger Woods Cards. I do also own the 2001 SP Authentic Rookie Autograph Limited to 900, 2001 SP Preview, Champions of Golf Masters Card, Promo & VIP Promo Rookies, and Several of the Base #1 Rookies. Good thing is we get to collect what we want, glad we have options. In the other major sports, "pack pulled" determines the Rookie card. I know there are XRC’s of other cards and people call them the “rookies” as well but there is usually a year and a product that would be considered the pack pulled rookie. I do think that there is acceptance for the “other” rookies in the market place. And rightfully so! With Tiger we have several cards that people consider is his Rookie. • 1996 SI Kids Card ( released in a magazine for children) • 1997-1999 Grand Slam Ventures Champions of Golf (tall card) • 2001 Sp Authentic Preview #21 ( Pack Pulled ) • 2001 Upper Deck Base Rookie #1 ( Pack Pulled ) • 2001 Sp Authentic Rookie Autograph Limited to 900 (Green) and Limited 100 (Gold) ( Pack Pulled ) • There are others as well that we can discuss Here is what the Industry Leader PSA says about the Tiger Woods Rookies (Look at the "R" next to Tiger's Name) 1996 SI Kids Card (does not designate this as the (R) Rookie) 2001 Upper Deck Base #1 (R = Rookie) 2001 Upper Deck Promo (R = Rookie) 2001 Sp Authentic Rookie Auto Limited to 900 or 100 (R = Rookie) I for one think there is a place for all of these. But I will say, pack pulled matters and is the end all be all of the discussion. PSA is blanket saying that 2001 Upper Deck is the Rookie Year. I agree as Upper Deck was officially licensed by Tiger, who has said this was very important to him and he values his partnership with Upper Deck ( Ill look for the video and link it here, but there is one that Tiger talks about this). If you do not consider pack pulled “the Rookie” you would have to go back to all the baseball players and now consider all their minor league cards as their main rookie. Ken Griffey Jr, has a couple of minor league cards that were a few years before his iconic 1989 Upper Deck #1. But we all consider his Upper Deck #1 the Rookie to have. Same for many other players. Even Tiger’s Si Kids card has him featuring an US Amateur Hat on in the picture. I would equate this to the minor league card of Ken Griffey Jr, or you could take it even a step further and put it equal to the Jordan Star Card. All are rookies, yes, absolutely, but I am here to argue that card #45 from 2001 SP Authentic and Card #1 from Upper Deck are Tigers first Licensed and Pack Pulled Rookies. Golf is not released every year like other sports, never has and never will be. Upper Deck had a nice run with golf due to Tiger’s success, but still not produced every year. And when the SI Kids Card Sold in 2001 for 125K this was due to how popular Tiger is and was at the time. If the SP Authentic was out during this time it probably would have cleared 7 figures. Tiger is an ICON in the world of sport. Now with all this said. Darren Rovell is now discussing how he thinks the SI Kids card is the rookie on Twitter and Instagram. I understand he has a vested interest from his ESPN article in 2001 about the Si Kids card and his connection to it. But I am here to say there is room for both but the 2001 Sp Rookie Autograph is the most iconic card, in my opinion, in all of sport. Even more iconic than the Jordan Fleer or the 52 Mantle. I know not all of you will agree with me, but as a Golf Nut first and foremost, this is how I feel. Many people have agreed on his twitter post, with the SP Rookie Auto reigning supreme as the rookie. I have even been discussing this with him. Rovell wants none of it and even contradicts himself with the Jordan Star Card Reference. Says its not pack pulled so its not the Rookie (see below). He purchased 2 of the Kids Cards in PSA 8, Hence him discussing this card a lot on social media to his followers. I think he is now up to 7 or 8 post about it and even did a video. With all of that said, I think the market has been speaking loud and clear since the 2001 SP Rookie Autograph and 2001 Upper Deck #1 were released. Prices of the 2001 SP have been 20x that of the Kids card and rightfully so…. PACK PULLED, Autographed, Limited Nature (only 1000 ever made). Kids card, is out of a magazine, SI Even asked PSA/BGS to stop grading them, and they did. Rovell Even reported on this in the ESPN article. LINK There are the following auctions that are showing us all what the market believes and I will link them below. But first here are the Goldin Auctions that are ending in 2 weeks. Once again the Tiger SP Rookie Auto Limited to 900 (Green) or Limited to 100 (Gold) is leading the way. Im not comfortable with the BGS 9.5 Si Kids card that they have listed as there are a lot of Reperforated or Trimmed Si Kids cards out there, graded in PSA and BGS holders... Also Just remember, the population report on the Kids Card is Low due to PSA and BGS stopping grading them for a long period of time. There will only be 1000 of the SP Rookie Autographs. "Recent" Past Auction Results: •SOLD: Goldin PSA 10 (no PSA 10/10s) Tiger Woods SP Rookie Autograph Limited to 100 Gold: $344,000 LINK ---> This Gold Version (limited to 100) of Tigers Best Card should be worth over 1M if Lebron's limited to 99, In BGS 8.5 is going for over a million dollars. Tiger is as iconic, if not more then Lebron. Just one man's opinion. •SOLD: Goldin PSA 10 2001 Tiger Woods SP Rookie Autograph Limited to 900: $85,200: LINK •SOLD: Heritage Auction 2001 PSA 10 Tiger Woods SP Rookie Autograph Limited to 900: $87,000 LINK •eBay Tiger Woods PSA 10 Si Kids Card: Sold 2 weeks ago for 35,000 and it was on ebay at that price for several months. LINK •eBay Tiger Woods BGS 10 Si Kids Card: Sold on eBay Buy it Now for $55,000 this last week. Link to Buy it now price With all of this said, here are some useful links to some of the research that has done and AMAZING inputs from others as well. Tiger Woods Trimming/Reperforated Si Kids Cards Info: LINK to SuperDans Input Link to the SI Kids Card Discussion on Blowout: LINK "Many will debate which cards are Tiger Woods rookie cards. 1996 SI for Kids was the first, but it was part of a perforated sheet found in a magazine. The Grand Slam Ventures card was part of a box set but it had reprints in ensuing years. The Upper Deck and SP Authentic Tiger Woods cards are the first to be inserted in traditional packs. It's important for collectors, especially in instances like these, to use their own preferences. There are valid arguments for all four cards listed below." Here is the Link to the Cardboard Connection Article Population Reports Data on the Gold/Green 2001 Sp Tiger Woods Rookie Autograph: Link Link to amazing discussion from Blowout Board Members showing off their Tiger Collections and Golf Cards: LINK Just thought it would be fun to discuss these cards in a different way, but from my point of view we have a few different rookies to choose from for Tiger, which is a good thing! Last edited by Thunderdunk; 03-11-2021 at 05:39 PM.

02-21-2021, 05:02 PM	#2
golfgasm Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 294 golfgasm golfgasm	Whoa funny I saw those tweets as well and was having this discussion with a few other golf nuts. Couldn't agree more...I mean I own all of these rookies and it really isn't a contest the 2001 Upper Deck and SP Authentic are the rookies. That's not to say the SIFK and GSV aren't valuable and relevant! They are epic extended rookie cards! Time has shown and will continue to show that 2001 SPA and 2001 UD will be considered the true rookie. Always has been since 2001. Beckett OPG and PSA's SMR confirm that as well as just about everyone in the industry.

02-21-2021, 05:04 PM	#3
peterose4hof Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,375 peterose4hof	I picked this up real cheap. Not sure if it's a reprint or the real thing. Would love to hear some opinions. Sent from my SM-G781U using Tapatalk

02-21-2021, 05:06 PM	#4
golfgasm Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 294 golfgasm golfgasm	That's a REPRINT not the original

02-21-2021, 06:22 PM	#7
Tomi Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 138	Would it be safe to say since 2001 is his rookie year that every card from that year is a rookie card?

02-22-2021, 11:19 AM	#10
Docrinki Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 51	I feel that he only has two rookie cards. The base Upper deck one and the Sp authentic future watch /900. I do not believe that inserts or parallels are rookie cards. Grand Slam and SI cards would not be true rookie cards. It does not mean parallels do not have value. It’s just my feeling of the Rookie card definition. The beauty is we can all have our own belief. Collect what you want and pay what you feel is appropriate.

02-22-2021, 10:33 PM	#11
gingerpescado Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 49 scottfishpdx	SI for Kids has explicitly said the "cards" are editorial content - they even sent PSA a letter saying not to grade them. The did this for legal reasons - because if they are 'cards' , the players would need to be compensated. Regardless, many cards from places like SI for Kids are similar to cards like 1960 Hemmets Journal and other places where they were not intended to be cards. Yet, The Hemmets Journal Cassius Clay card is considered his rookie. So this conversation about SI for kids goes way beyond the 1990s/80s and I'd argue that since we treat other cut/perforated cards as rookies, his SI should be considered A Rookie. A Rookie, not specifically his only rookie.

02-24-2021, 01:08 AM	#13
Leather Larceny Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 20	I'm happy Tiger survived the accident and is out of surgery! My list: 1) 2002 SP Game Used 2001 UD 1 Buyback Auto /18 2) 2001 SP Authentic Authentic Stars Gold Auto /100 3) 2001 SP Authentic Authentic Stars Auto /900 4) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 Red /50 5) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 Gold /250 6) 2001 SP Authentic Preview 21 XXXX/SAMPLE 7) 2001 UD 1 Fun to see everyone's lists! Hoping for a smooth recovery for Tiger!

02-24-2021, 06:56 AM	#14
jick Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 173 jovigolf jick	I have collated all the autographed cards I know from his rookie year. Technically, the /900 is the pack-pulled RC but it is actually has the highest population. While some argue that even the /900 is undervalued, I would dare to say that the rest here are even more undervalued. I don't mean to say they should surpass the /900, but some of their completed sales results are low. As of 2-21-2021 pop reports of 2001 Tiger Woods Autographs - with me ranking them from least to most: 1) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /4 BGS =4 PSA = 1 Total = 5 2) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /29 BGS = 18 BGS = 5 Total = 23 3) 2001 Sign Of The Times Gold/25 BGS = 18 PSA = 9 Total = 27 4) 2001 UD Players Ink Gold BGS = 23 PSA = 9 Total = 32 5) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /65 BGS = 34 PSA = 11 Total = 45 6) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /66 BGS = 38 PSA = 16 Total = 54 7) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /273 BGS = 132 PSA = 37 Total = 169 8) 2001 SP Authentic Rookie Autograph /100 BGS = 128 PSA = 45 Total = 173 9) 2001 Sign Of The Times Red /274 BGS = 146 PSA = 46 Total = 192 10) 2001 Sign Of The Times BGS = 160 PSA = 100 Total = 260 11) 2001 UD Players Ink BGS = 227 PSA = 154 Total = 381 12) 2001 SP Authentic Rookie Autograph /900 BGS=704 PSA=294 Total = 998 In totality including variants combined: SOTT (Reg + Gold)= 287 UD Players' Ink (Reg + Gold) = 423 SOTT Red (/4+/29 +/65 +/66 +/273 +/274)= 488 SP Authentic RC (/900 + /100) = 1,171 Thus, I would say that the most underrated is the standard SOTT with the black/white image. In totality, there are actually more with the red image out there.

02-24-2021, 10:00 AM	#15
jbettis32 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: HK Posts: 725 jbettis32	Very well analysis, however, I do think collectors still believe the SP/900 is the one to own, and is considered as the "real" auto rc. Won't know how the collectors will react down the road. Anyway, just a quick note that BGS is the king in that era, everyone is sending vintage to psa, and modern to bgs. You can easily see bgs is out populate the psa copies. But time flies, psa is outsold bgs by a mile.

02-24-2021, 01:23 PM	#18
Leather Larceny Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 20	That UD Buyback card is pack-pulled (in keeping with what's been discussed in this thread), with on-card autograph authenticated by Upper Deck, numbered to only 18 and on Tiger's 2001 UD rookie card with that iconic point from the 2000 PGA Championship playoff! IMO it doesn't get much better than that! All of the Tiger Woods cards that have been mentioned above in this and in other threads in this forum are absolutely fantastic (e.g. 2001 UD SPA Gold /100, 2001 UD SPA /900, 2001 UD SPA SOTT /4, 2013 Tiger Woods Master Collection cards, 2014 UD SPA Tiger Tribute cards to name only a few) -- I would gladly welcome any of them into my PC! However, if I were given the opportunity to own only one of the above Tiger Woods cards, it would have to be this one without a doubt!

02-24-2021, 02:20 PM	#21
golfgasm Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 294 golfgasm golfgasm	I think most of us have similar lists for auto and non auto pack pulled 1. 2001 SP Authentic Gold auto #/100 2. 2001 SP Authentic "Green" auto #/900 3. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50 4. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50 5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250 For licensed 2001 non auto rookies I have 1. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Red Parallel #/50 2. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Red Parallel #/50 3. 2001 Upper Deck GOLD Fan Collection card (regular and jumbo) 4. 2001 Upper Deck VIP #TW badge Promo 5. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#21) Gold Parallel #/250 6. 2001 SP Authentic Preview (#51 AOG) Gold Parallel #/250 7. 2001 Upper Deck dealer folder card #PROMO 8. 2001 Upper Deck GREEN Fan Collection 9. 2001 SP Preview xxxx/sample 10. 2001 Upper Deck #1 As much as I love the /18 buyback it really isn't a rookie in its traditional sense. It is one of the best non rookie/rookie hybrid autos out there for sure!! I like it even better than the other buybacks in 2002 game used...not even close that pose at Vahalla was epic. It is my favorite Tiger card of all time. I love the #21 red preview /50 as well...such a sweet card.

02-24-2021, 03:57 PM	#23
golfgasm Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 294 golfgasm golfgasm	Nice to see $20,000+ in scans! lol

02-25-2021, 11:09 AM	#25
golfgasm Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 294 golfgasm golfgasm	So did everyone catch that PSA 10 Tiger /900 auto go off last night? Over $83,000 with a sub par auto!? Marquee Tiger holdings are through the roof! Really just about everything is...even Nicklaus stuff is way up.