What's your take on grading 1/1's?

Nodnarb · 03-30-2021, 06:22 PM

Are you for it? Why?

Against it? Why?

Just looking for people's opinions... thanks!

MoreToppsPlease · 03-30-2021, 06:30 PM

A topic worthy of a sticky as it’s asked every month.

A waste of time aside for protection & authentication.

dfwsoccer01 · 03-30-2021, 06:33 PM

Unless you know it’s coming back a guaranteed 10, you’re going to leave money on the table when selling. Because nobody wants a 1/1 in anything less than an 10 or 9.5, at minimum.

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MoreToppsPlease · 03-30-2021, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dfwsoccer01

Unless you know it’s coming back a guaranteed 10, you’re going to leave money on the table when selling. Because nobody wants a 1/1 in anything less than an 10 or 9.5, at minimum.

Only for the people who collect slabs and not cards. And even then it’s not really true.

pewe · 03-30-2021, 06:42 PM

I won’t pay a premium for a graded 1/1... but it won’t make me more or less likely to buy it either

With that said... the vast majority of 1/1s I’ve purchased are raw... so might mean many owners also didn’t bother to slab before I got them (as I never grade our cards)

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bradley9999 · 03-30-2021, 06:43 PM

I've only graded 2. I would only do it to add protection to something in my PC that I really care about. 99% of the time it doesn't add any value to the card IMO.

mfw13 · 03-30-2021, 06:48 PM

IMHO, grading anything #/25 or less is a waste of time & money, because the cards are scarce enough that buyers are going to want them no matter what.

In fact, having them slabbed may actually decrease their value to collectors who want their cards raw/unslabbed.

I collect a lot of HOF autos from sets that are #/25 or less, and I'm willing to pay LESS, not more, for slabbed cards because then I have to crack them out so that they can be displayed with other (unslabbed) cards from the same set.

MuskokaMelts · 03-30-2021, 06:51 PM

I've got a Fernando Tatis Jr. Reverence rookie patch auto #1/5 that I want to get slabbed but not graded, I don't care about the grade I just want it slabbed for protection but can't decide what holder I want. With the way grading has been lately I'm guessing it wont be anytime soon but I plan to hold it forever so there's no rush I guess.

discodanman45 · 03-30-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MuskokaMelts

I've got a Fernando Tatis Jr. Reverence rookie patch auto #1/5 that I want to get slabbed but not graded, I don't care about the grade I just want it slabbed for protection but can't decide what holder I want. With the way grading has been lately I'm guessing it wont be anytime soon but I plan to hold it forever so there's no rush I guess.

I will be using HGA to slab my Zac Gallen 1/1 with a pretty label if I ever win a HGA rigged lottery to grade five cards. I like a few of their designs and for some of my modern PC it may be worth the $25 to get them a final home.

vwnut13 · 03-30-2021, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

I won’t pay a premium for a graded 1/1... but it won’t make me more or less likely to buy it either

It will make you *less likely to buy it, because the seller will be asking for a premium.

phildow · 03-30-2021, 07:17 PM

I was just discussing this topic because I pulled a Superfractor & have a friend who gets a lot of cards graded. I am starting to see why NOT to get a card graded more than why I should get it graded.

Instances I can make an argument for grading
- Cards produced before 2000* [insert whatever arbitrary date you believe quality control made leaps and bounds from the early 80s and earlier]
- Low POP of card in question (low-mid triple digits)
- Numbered cards (higher print runs than 1/1)
- Recent sets with known quality issues
- Cards with sales history of graded card* sold price >> raw sold price

My logic for grading cards from print runs as low as 1/5?
There are as many as 4 "identical" cards in existence somewhere with provenance unknown. If your card comes back as a [Grading company] 10, you now possess the 1 card of the 5 that some company deemed to be pristine, gem mint, whatever. Also, I hope you plan to sell it, otherwise, you spent a lot of money for a fancy case that might not even be that visually appealing.

phildow · 03-30-2021, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnut13

Quote:

Originally Posted by pewe

I won’t pay a premium for a graded 1/1... but it won’t make me more or less likely to buy it either

It will make you more likely to buy it, because the seller will be asking for a premium.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...
The fact the card is graded is irrelevant in the decision to buy or not to buy; he literally just said that.
The price will be at a premium because someone who sent a 1/1 to get graded is going to expect a premium...assuming the card comes back with a 9-10 grade. Otherwise, pewe probably gets a discount on the expected sales price if the card were sold raw.

Skipscards · 03-30-2021, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfw13

IMHO, grading anything #/25 or less is a waste of time & money, because the cards are scarce enough that buyers are going to want them no matter what.

In fact, having them slabbed may actually decrease their value to collectors who want their cards raw/unslabbed.

I collect a lot of HOF autos from sets that are #/25 or less, and I'm willing to pay LESS, not more, for slabbed cards because then I have to crack them out so that they can be displayed with other (unslabbed) cards from the same set.

100% all of this.

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steevyniu · 03-30-2021, 07:44 PM

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I have a BGS 9 Superfractor auto rc of a pretty big name. I've listed it a few times and have not gotten the level of interest I was expecting. Was considering cracking it and relisting to see how much it matters.

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mfw13 · 03-30-2021, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuskokaMelts

I've got a Fernando Tatis Jr. Reverence rookie patch auto #1/5 that I want to get slabbed but not graded, I don't care about the grade I just want it slabbed for protection but can't decide what holder I want. With the way grading has been lately I'm guessing it wont be anytime soon but I plan to hold it forever so there's no rush I guess.

There are plenty of ways to protect a card without it being slabbed....

cardsin47 · 03-30-2021, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nodnarb

Are you for it? Why?

Against it? Why?

Just looking for people's opinions... thanks!

If it’s a likely PSA 9 ( now on hold - very several hours ago ) or a BGS 9 or better, then heck yeah, slab it! Why?

1. Mint or higher - grade boosts value due to condition, beyond the rarity
2. Authenticity is implied or confirmed
3. Gotta’ store in something - why not a proven sealed case
4. Enhanced liquidity if wanted / needed to sell
5. Marketable outside of insiders like us

pewe · 03-30-2021, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnut13

It will make you *less likely to buy it, because the seller will be asking for a premium.

Haha! Well... maybe... you get what I’m saying though... I won’t pay a premium for a graded version - ie my buy price is the same for raw or graded...

Doesn’t mean someone else might pay more, of course. And then I don’t end up with it. I can’t speak for someone else’s preference.

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pewe · 03-30-2021, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

There are plenty of ways to protect a card without it being slabbed....

A good laminator does the trick

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towerymt · 03-30-2021, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardsin47

If it’s a likely PSA 9 ( now on hold - very several hours ago ) or a BGS 9 or better, then heck yeah, slab it! Why?

1. Mint or higher - grade boosts value due to condition, beyond the rarity
2. Authenticity is implied or confirmed
3. Gotta’ store in something - why not a proven sealed case
4. Enhanced liquidity if wanted / needed to sell
5. Marketable outside of insiders like us

#4 is why I sent a few 1/1's in the past 6 months. myslabs, PC Sportscards, PWCC all selling only graded now.

pewe · 03-30-2021, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardsin47

If it’s a likely PSA 9 ( now on hold - very several hours ago ) or a BGS 9 or better, then heck yeah, slab it! Why?

1. Mint or higher - grade boosts value due to condition, beyond the rarity
2. Authenticity is implied or confirmed
3. Gotta’ store in something - why not a proven sealed case
4. Enhanced liquidity if wanted / needed to sell
5. Marketable outside of insiders like us

as someone who mostly does PC, #3 is why I dislike slabs... they are so bulky

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dogzman · 03-30-2021, 08:58 PM

Raw on 1/1's. I actually will pay less for slab 1/1's because I have the hassle now of cracking it and putting it in a holder. I have over 500 unique 1/1s and I've never pay a premium on slabs.

Oachs83 · 03-30-2021, 09:26 PM

Yes so I can sell it on Myslabs.

Smarti5051 · 03-30-2021, 09:46 PM

Speaking as a collector from way back that has returned after a couple decades on the bench, I would be very hesitant to spend $3000+ on a 1/1 (or any numbered card) that is not in in a case from one of the Big 3. I have only been back a few months, but I see plenty of posts of folks identifying raw cards on Ebay (or at shows) that are fakes. Even when placing them against "real" versions of the same card, I am not skilled enough to always identify the fake from the real card. I feel slightly more adept at identifying a fake graded slab, and at least there seems to be a higher degree of difficulty to pass off a fake slab. At least if I am buying a graded card, there is a pretty high likelihood I will own a "real" card. The piece of mind is worth the premium to me.

YouTheManNick · 03-30-2021, 09:51 PM

I will for PC cards that I don't plan on selling.

I like the visual aesthetic of PSA graded cards.

I have no intention of selling these. Could care less about what it does to the 'value.'

ThoseBackPages · 03-30-2021, 09:59 PM

i love it!

03-30-2021, 06:30 PM	#2
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dogzman Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: International Man of Mystery Posts: 1,235 FomoCards	Raw on 1/1's. I actually will pay less for slab 1/1's because I have the hassle now of cracking it and putting it in a holder. I have over 500 unique 1/1s and I've never pay a premium on slabs. __________________ Lifetime ban on Upper Deck due to non redemption of Lebron patch auto.

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03-30-2021, 06:33 PM	#3
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03-30-2021, 06:42 PM	#5
pewe Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 26,360	I won’t pay a premium for a graded 1/1... but it won’t make me more or less likely to buy it either With that said... the vast majority of 1/1s I’ve purchased are raw... so might mean many owners also didn’t bother to slab before I got them (as I never grade our cards) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-30-2021, 06:48 PM	#7
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 15,709	IMHO, grading anything #/25 or less is a waste of time & money, because the cards are scarce enough that buyers are going to want them no matter what. In fact, having them slabbed may actually decrease their value to collectors who want their cards raw/unslabbed. I collect a lot of HOF autos from sets that are #/25 or less, and I'm willing to pay LESS, not more, for slabbed cards because then I have to crack them out so that they can be displayed with other (unslabbed) cards from the same set.

03-30-2021, 06:51 PM	#8
MuskokaMelts Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 22	I've got a Fernando Tatis Jr. Reverence rookie patch auto #1/5 that I want to get slabbed but not graded, I don't care about the grade I just want it slabbed for protection but can't decide what holder I want. With the way grading has been lately I'm guessing it wont be anytime soon but I plan to hold it forever so there's no rush I guess.

03-30-2021, 07:17 PM	#11
phildow Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: MI, USA Posts: 302 philcc04	I was just discussing this topic because I pulled a Superfractor & have a friend who gets a lot of cards graded. I am starting to see why NOT to get a card graded more than why I should get it graded. Instances I can make an argument for grading - Cards produced before 2000* [insert whatever arbitrary date you believe quality control made leaps and bounds from the early 80s and earlier] - Low POP of card in question (low-mid triple digits) - Numbered cards (higher print runs than 1/1) - Recent sets with known quality issues - Cards with sales history of graded card* sold price >> raw sold price My logic for grading cards from print runs as low as 1/5? There are as many as 4 "identical" cards in existence somewhere with provenance unknown. If your card comes back as a [Grading company] 10, you now possess the 1 card of the 5 that some company deemed to be pristine, gem mint, whatever. Also, I hope you plan to sell it, otherwise, you spent a lot of money for a fancy case that might not even be that visually appealing.

03-30-2021, 07:44 PM	#14
steevyniu Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 21	I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I have a BGS 9 Superfractor auto rc of a pretty big name. I've listed it a few times and have not gotten the level of interest I was expecting. Was considering cracking it and relisting to see how much it matters. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

03-30-2021, 09:26 PM	#22
Oachs83 Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Minnesota Posts: 731	Yes so I can sell it on Myslabs.

03-30-2021, 09:46 PM	#23
Smarti5051 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 294 stonecali Smarti5051	Speaking as a collector from way back that has returned after a couple decades on the bench, I would be very hesitant to spend $3000+ on a 1/1 (or any numbered card) that is not in in a case from one of the Big 3. I have only been back a few months, but I see plenty of posts of folks identifying raw cards on Ebay (or at shows) that are fakes. Even when placing them against "real" versions of the same card, I am not skilled enough to always identify the fake from the real card. I feel slightly more adept at identifying a fake graded slab, and at least there seems to be a higher degree of difficulty to pass off a fake slab. At least if I am buying a graded card, there is a pretty high likelihood I will own a "real" card. The piece of mind is worth the premium to me.