Best way to confirm something exists?

PuddleMonkey · 03-22-2022, 10:25 PM

I've been trying for 4-5 years now to complete the 2009-10 SP Prestigious Pairings set. There's some cards on the checklist that I've never seen surface, is there a way to check if they even exist without having to buy subscriptions to some site?

The cards looks like this:

I have found evidence that Turris/Mueller is legit and out there somewhere. I have not, however, ever seen any of these 4 cards other than on the original checklist:

Pominville / Vanek
Kopitar / Smyth
Delvecchio / Lindsay
Brassard / Nash

PWCC use to be a place to see old ebay auctions but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore. How far back do places like worthpoint go? If I find Turris/Mueller is the set considered complete or is there always this unsolved mystery looming over it?

Randallk34 · 03-23-2022, 11:14 AM

Why would they not exist?

creasecollector · 03-23-2022, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Randallk34

Why would they not exist?

Sometimes cards are put on the official checklist even if UD hasn't received the cards back at the time of the product release. They assume the players are good for it and know it will be signed eventually.

While in most cases they are correct and the card will be returned signed, sometimes cards aren't signed by one or both of the athletes for a variety of reasons (doesn't like signing, forgets, card is lost, player just keeps the cards), so they card on the checklist isn't actually released.

PuddleMonkey · 03-23-2022, 10:44 PM

Do these dual auto cards sometimes surface with only one of the signatures on them?

What's the longest delay on a redemption auto you've seen? I put together the 2018 Topps Museum Archival set that is sans Buster Posey. What are the odds after 4 years of never being seen that they suddenly appear?

byronscott4ever · 03-24-2022, 11:12 AM

Have you tried contacting UD through social media or through customer service? I think they have checklists on their site which could be different.

PuddleMonkey · 03-24-2022, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Have you tried contacting UD through social media or through customer service? I think they have checklists on their site which could be different.

I've tried contacting Topps and Poopini in the past regarding checklists and never got a response back. I have to wonder if these companies even keep very good track of their own sh.t

I also have to wonder if people even put sets together anymore. Anytime I'm talking to someone about doing an auto set they look at me like I'm speaking another language.

Archangel1775 · 03-25-2022, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

I've tried contacting Topps and Poopini in the past regarding checklists and never got a response back. I have to wonder if these companies even keep very good track of their own sh.t

I also have to wonder if people even put sets together anymore. Anytime I'm talking to someone about doing an auto set they look at me like I'm speaking another language.

I would've tried Upper Deck.

For real though, maybe reach out to one of their reps on social media

PuddleMonkey · 03-25-2022, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I would've tried Upper Deck.

For real though, maybe reach out to one of their reps on social media

I emailed them from their website tonight, I don't have any social media accounts like myspace or facebook. Hopefully they respond, appreciate everyone's replies.

creasecollector · 03-26-2022, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Do these dual auto cards sometimes surface with only one of the signatures on them?

What's the longest delay on a redemption auto you've seen? I put together the 2018 Topps Museum Archival set that is sans Buster Posey. What are the odds after 4 years of never being seen that they suddenly appear?

It's possible, but unlikely. I've seen dual autos with none or 1 signature on it, but it wasn't released on purpose. I wouldn't count on that happening if you're searching for a dual auto'd card that you haven't seen yet.

callou2131 · 03-26-2022, 01:40 PM

Have you checked the grading companies websites to see if any of them were ever graded? If every other card has some graded and there are 0 of these, I would guess they dont exist. Heck Topps has an entire set of wood 1/1 mini cards that were supposed to go into 2018 Ginter, Topps says they were packed out, and not a single one has ever been pulled. Also the entire run of Bowman chrome Red Carlos Correa /5 ended up backdoored and were never packed out.

ZappBrannigan · 03-26-2022, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by callou2131

Have you checked the grading companies websites to see if any of them were ever graded? If every other card has some graded and there are 0 of these, I would guess they dont exist. Heck Topps has an entire set of wood 1/1 mini cards that were supposed to go into 2018 Ginter, Topps says they were packed out, and not a single one has ever been pulled. Also the entire run of Bowman chrome Red Carlos Correa /5 ended up backdoored and were never packed out.

This is great advice that I will be using to track my own missing puzzle pieces....

PuddleMonkey · 03-26-2022, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by callou2131

Have you checked the grading companies websites to see if any of them were ever graded? If every other card has some graded and there are 0 of these, I would guess they dont exist. Heck Topps has an entire set of wood 1/1 mini cards that were supposed to go into 2018 Ginter, Topps says they were packed out, and not a single one has ever been pulled. Also the entire run of Bowman chrome Red Carlos Correa /5 ended up backdoored and were never packed out.

I did the night I made this thread. Not many have been graded for whatever reason, about half of the known set, and missing from the list of graded was the Turris/Mueller I thought to have existed. Going back through the interwebs I'm struggling to find any proof of the Turris/Mueller and don't remember why I thought it existed to begin with. Is there a way to access the old PWCC search page that use to be on their site? That has to be where I saw it originally.

Dr kicker · 03-27-2022, 12:23 PM

Search site like here , SCF , Hobby insider for player collectors/Supercollector of Pominville , Kopitar , Nash , Vanek. If the card was made they will most likelly have it.

Look at the box break section also. A pairing search in any hockey hobby section of these site might give you info also.

PuddleMonkey · 03-27-2022, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr kicker

Search site like here , SCF , Hobby insider for player collectors/Supercollector of Pominville , Kopitar , Nash , Vanek. If the card was made they will most likelly have it.

Look at the box break section also. A pairing search in any hockey hobby section of these site might give you info also.

What's SCF? Sorry for my ignorance, I was out of collecting for about 25 years.

Dr kicker · 03-27-2022, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

What's SCF? Sorry for my ignorance, I was out of collecting for about 25 years.