2007 Bowman Chrome baseball

otmack2o · 07-30-2007, 06:43 AM

The product is scheduled for release in just over two weeks. There has been quite a lengthy discussion on the former site about whether or not this product will be worthy of breaking right away or if it is better to sit on sealed boxes/cases. Overproduction is another concern that some have expressed due to the addition of autographs (announced last week) to the set.

What is your take on this product and will you be busting or sitting on your cases?

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 09:13 AM

I'll kick my first post on the new boards off with my favorite product coming out this year. In the spirit of full disclosure I'm in for 8 cases.

I think you can make a fair amount of money on Bowman Chrome this year if you follow these rules.

1. Get your product busted and autos listed within the first days of release. Even if they overproduce, if you are one of the first to get those autos listed you will make a killing. A week later the autos going for $15 will be $5 cards as everything floods the market.

2. You need to buy more than just 2 or 3 cases. If you buy more you will be able to list 20 card prospect lots which will mak a killing based on my analysis of the prospect checklist (no big names like Gordon but a ton of guys tearing it up in A and AA). In addition multiple cases increases your chances of pulling a $500 card like a Joba or Betances low #d auto.

3. Use the great members on this board to finish out your sets. This has had a huge impact on my proifts for all products this year.

Yes they will overproduce, but the only risk is if they SP any of the top autos which will kill your proi

Cubfan86 · 07-30-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jebjeb1

I'll kick my first post on the new boards off with my favorite product coming out this year. In the spirit of full disclosure I'm in for 8 cases.

I think you can make a fair amount of money on Bowman Chrome this year if you follow these rules.

1. Get your product busted and autos listed within the first days of release. Even if they overproduce, if you are one of the first to get those autos listed you will make a killing. A week later the autos going for $15 will be $5 cards as everything floods the market.

2. You need to buy more than just 2 or 3 cases. If you buy more you will be able to list 20 card prospect lots which will mak a killing based on my analysis of the prospect checklist (no big names like Gordon but a ton of guys tearing it up in A and AA). In addition multiple cases increases your chances of pulling a $500 card like a Joba or Betances low #d auto.

3. Use the great members on this board to finish out your sets. This has had a huge impact on my proifts for all products this year.

Yes they will overproduce, but the only risk is if they SP any of the top autos which will kill your proi

This is the reason I can't decide this year. I ove busting chrome and that will be hard to resist but if they SP the top Autos I may hold onto my 4 cases and sell later. I have not decided and may not till a few breaks happen. I do not think 4 cases is enough to get 20 count lots and if you have odd numbers in the middle teens (16,17,18) I do not think they will sell as well.
I hate not knowing but I have had such bad luck with a couple product breaks this year that I can't risk losing again and we all know with chrome you can't lose with sealed wax.

cowboyfaninlr · 07-30-2007, 09:24 AM

I am in for 5 cases and will be HOLDING them for awhile. I have done this each year with BC and haven't lost $$$ yet

I think by next year when some of the cards take off $$$$ will be easily made.

Bill

Jhawk1 · 07-30-2007, 09:33 AM

I will sit back and watch to see if money is made. I will not be able to get the cards before some of the others so immediately I would be in the hole. I can't afford 3 or more cases either as I try to only buy with money on hand. This will be interesting to see if a lot of people make money. This has been a terrible year so far with breaks so this will tell where the hobby is going. I hope everyone makes money and makes me jealous!

What do you think will be the next money maker?

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 09:51 AM

I made good money busting Bowman with a horrible 1-110 checklist so my outlook on this is much better. If a box is $60 and you make an average of $30 on your auto per box, you can certainly make another $60 per box on the #d inserts, chrome lots and base sets.

Jhawk1 · 07-30-2007, 09:56 AM

Do you think most autos will go for $30? Isn't that kinda high? I guess I have been reading too many posts on the former site but I just don't see it. Plus a ton of people bust this and topps increased production. Flea-bay will be flooded. I hope I am wrong but we will see...

otmack2o · 07-30-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jhawk1

Do you think most autos will go for $30? Isn't that kinda high? I guess I have been reading too many posts on the former site but I just don't see it. Plus a ton of people bust this and topps increased production. Flea-bay will be flooded. I hope I am wrong but we will see...

I don't think he was saying most will go for $30, but rather average $30 each. A $150 auto can offset quite a few $10 autos to get that $30 average...

Jhawk1 · 07-30-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by otmack2o

I don't think he was saying most will go for $30, but rather average $30 each. A $150 auto can offset quite a few $10 autos to get that $30 average...

True but how many autos will be $150? Are the good autos SP's or did Topps not decide to do that? I dunno, brentandbecca used to post on here how much he made on certain products and I haven't seen one of those posts in while. Again, I don't want to be a pessimist but...

Cubfan86 · 07-30-2007, 10:42 AM

Take this for what it is but I am a little more optimistic now. I had a friend call Clay at Topps and he said as far as he knows there are NO SP's in Bowman chrome. Hopefully the rumors are just that and we have a chance at the better auto pulls per case.

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 10:42 AM

There are 36 autos in the set. Joba and Lincecum will be at least $150 out of the gate. Pence, Betances and Fmart should be close to $100 and Reynolds and Samardijza should be at least $75. So if the odds go your way you should average at least $30 per auto.

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 10:52 AM

Actually you should average closer to $45 or $50 for auto when you factor in the premium for #d autos which should fall 4 per case.

phil · 07-30-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jebjeb1

Actually you should average closer to $45 or $50 for auto when you factor in the premium for #d autos which should fall 4 per case.

maybe the first 2-3 days, but beyond that i wouldn't count on that in this current soft market. if the avg auto IS $50, base prospects will be devalued and base 1-220 sets will be $5-10... and the box price will skyrocket. i don't see it, though.

i suspect everyone is overestimating the range of values the top names will be able to maintain at least a little. maybe a lot. not knocking the product at all because i think it will be great, just not quite as optimistic as some on the auto prices.

tarzanlovesjane · 07-30-2007, 11:44 AM

Phil, you and I are in total agreement on this. The problem I see is that Joba Chamberlain is NOT going to outsell Phil Hughes, who's cards are in the $100 - $125 range. Tim Linecum MIGHT right out of the gate, but will have to finish strong to keep up any momentum, and being on a terrible team in a weak buyers market will hurt.

The second point to make is there is no outside the hobby hype for this product like there was with Alex Gordon. Last year you had people who'd never owned a trading card trying to buy Alex Gordon stuff because the mainstream media was inundated with information about him. It was Topps' perfect marketing storm. They created an unparalelled frenzy which I do not think will be duplicated this year.

Anyways, I'm more on board with you that people are highly overestimating the value of these cards. I just don't see the realized prices some are hoping for, but good luck to all!

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Originally Posted by phil

maybe the first 2-3 days, but beyond that i wouldn't count on that in this current soft market. if the avg auto IS $50, base prospects will be devalued and base 1-220 sets will be $5-10... and the box price will skyrocket. i don't see it, though.

i suspect everyone is overestimating the range of values the top names will be able to maintain at least a little. maybe a lot. not knocking the product at all because i think it will be great, just not quite as optimistic as some on the auto prices.

BAMBAM · 07-30-2007, 11:46 AM

Wow, miss a few days and really fall out of the loop. Whats this about Topps adding autos to BC last week ?

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 12:39 PM

I agree that Joba will not outsell Hughes a few weeks after release but keep this in mind...there are 1,000 of Bowman Chrome Hughes cards out there and every prospector who wanted one has one. The first few days of release there may only be 20-30 Joba autos listed and everyone will want to get one driving up prices. I have seen this will every Topps release with the hot RCs.

I hope I'm right or my wife will be asking where is all the money I said I would make on that credit card purchase.

Wai · 07-30-2007, 12:59 PM

I am buying 5 cases and will keep 3 sealed.
I will bust 1 or 2 cases to see if I am lucky enough to pull
a Joba Chamberlain, Tim Lincecum or FMart auto.

tarzanlovesjane · 07-30-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BAMBAM

Wow, miss a few days and really fall out of the loop. Whats this about Topps adding autos to BC last week ?

Bam, they added five more autographs to the checklist for a total of 36 autos, they are:

BC252 Paul Estrada (Astros)
BC253 Brad Lincoln (Pirates)
BC254 Cedric Hunter (Padres) - this is odd, as he already has a 'base' Chrome card (BC174)
BC255 Chad Rodgers (Braves)
BC256 Mark Hamilton (Cardinals)

BAMBAM · 07-30-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tarzanlovesjane

Bam, they added five more autographs to the checklist for a total of 36 autos, they are:

BC252 Paul Estrada (Astros)
BC253 Brad Lincoln (Pirates)
BC254 Cedric Hunter (Padres) - this is odd, as he already has a 'base' Chrome card (BC174)
BC255 Chad Rodgers (Braves)
BC256 Mark Hamilton (Cardinals)

Thanks Rene - Wow, doesn't look like much in that group prospect wise. Hamilton has some pop but is far from a blue chipper. I would not be disappointed if I "missed out" on pulling any of this group.

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 02:39 PM

That group of players they added could have been worse.

Lincoln is a former #3 overall pick and has no other Topps or UD autos. Could be a $40 auto out of the gate despite his injury.

Cedric Hunter is regarded as the future leadoff hitter for the Padres and is only 19.

Hamilton is a former 2nd round pick for the Cards and just got called up to A.

The rest are fillers.

swerve · 07-30-2007, 03:28 PM

Well, I'm not ripping. I wanted to but I just have too much going on and after the beating from Topps Chrome and Score FB I'm a little skeptical of ripping anything right now.

scottiff · 07-30-2007, 04:41 PM

I love Bowman Chrome so to kick off my first post on this board I will join in the fray. Ok some are talking about Joba cards not outselling Hughes cards. Maybe not in the long run but I think prospectors are all about the here and now. When they buy these prospects I don't think they are necessarily thinking about prospect A from 2004 versus prospect B from this year. They just know they want him and the market sets the price based on that demand. I am sure there are some that are very thorough and will view this but I think the majority will just shuck the bucks to get their man. I'm in for 12 cases and will open at least 7.

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 04:53 PM

Scottif:

Totally agree with your assesment. Were you the one who shared you stories last year about you getting $250+ for your Upton and Gordon autos out of the gate?

scottiff · 07-30-2007, 05:01 PM

No unfortunately that was not me. I listed as quickly as I could but I get my stuff no earlier than any of us regular guys here on the board. I wish Chrome worked like Draft. With Draft you don't have to be in such a hurry. It really is weird. Now on the autos it is still pretty much first come first serve but with the prospect lots and refractors they hold if not gain in value a couple of weeks after release. It has to do with the Christmas season. It is an anomaly but an awesome one. My lots of Draft last year sold better the week after Christmas than they did the week of release of the product.

jebjeb1 · 07-30-2007, 05:11 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with bidding on Mr. Mems first lots out of the gate. Some no name prospect's 20 card lot might go for $20 and everyone else starts to wonder what the winning bidder knew that I didn't.

07-30-2007, 06:43 AM	#1
otmack2o Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MI Posts: 7,100 2_t_2	2007 Bowman Chrome baseball The product is scheduled for release in just over two weeks. There has been quite a lengthy discussion on the former site about whether or not this product will be worthy of breaking right away or if it is better to sit on sealed boxes/cases. Overproduction is another concern that some have expressed due to the addition of autographs (announced last week) to the set. What is your take on this product and will you be busting or sitting on your cases? __________________ #VARKNATION

07-30-2007, 09:33 AM	#5
Jhawk1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 179 kccollectiblesllc	I will sit back and watch to see if money is made. I will not be able to get the cards before some of the others so immediately I would be in the hole. I can't afford 3 or more cases either as I try to only buy with money on hand. This will be interesting to see if a lot of people make money. This has been a terrible year so far with breaks so this will tell where the hobby is going. I hope everyone makes money and makes me jealous! What do you think will be the next money maker? Last edited by Jhawk1; 07-30-2007 at 09:45 AM.

07-30-2007, 11:46 AM	#15
BAMBAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 8,460	Bowman Chrome Autos Added ? Who ? Wow, miss a few days and really fall out of the loop. Whats this about Topps adding autos to BC last week ?

07-30-2007, 03:28 PM	#21
swerve Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: AUSTIN, TX Posts: 5,087 0023	Well, I'm not ripping. I wanted to but I just have too much going on and after the beating from Topps Chrome and Score FB I'm a little skeptical of ripping anything right now. __________________ checkoutmycards.com/users/0023

07-30-2007, 09:13 AM	#2
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	I'll kick my first post on the new boards off with my favorite product coming out this year. In the spirit of full disclosure I'm in for 8 cases. I think you can make a fair amount of money on Bowman Chrome this year if you follow these rules. 1. Get your product busted and autos listed within the first days of release. Even if they overproduce, if you are one of the first to get those autos listed you will make a killing. A week later the autos going for $15 will be $5 cards as everything floods the market. 2. You need to buy more than just 2 or 3 cases. If you buy more you will be able to list 20 card prospect lots which will mak a killing based on my analysis of the prospect checklist (no big names like Gordon but a ton of guys tearing it up in A and AA). In addition multiple cases increases your chances of pulling a $500 card like a Joba or Betances low #d auto. 3. Use the great members on this board to finish out your sets. This has had a huge impact on my proifts for all products this year. Yes they will overproduce, but the only risk is if they SP any of the top autos which will kill your proi

07-30-2007, 09:24 AM	#4
cowboyfaninlr Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 1,611	I am in for 5 cases and will be HOLDING them for awhile. I have done this each year with BC and haven't lost $$$ yet I think by next year when some of the cards take off $$$$ will be easily made. Bill

07-30-2007, 09:51 AM	#6
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	I made good money busting Bowman with a horrible 1-110 checklist so my outlook on this is much better. If a box is $60 and you make an average of $30 on your auto per box, you can certainly make another $60 per box on the #d inserts, chrome lots and base sets.

07-30-2007, 09:56 AM	#7
Jhawk1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 179 kccollectiblesllc	Do you think most autos will go for $30? Isn't that kinda high? I guess I have been reading too many posts on the former site but I just don't see it. Plus a ton of people bust this and topps increased production. Flea-bay will be flooded. I hope I am wrong but we will see...

07-30-2007, 10:42 AM	#10
Cubfan86 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Glenarm,IL Posts: 1,631 flydisco	Take this for what it is but I am a little more optimistic now. I had a friend call Clay at Topps and he said as far as he knows there are NO SP's in Bowman chrome. Hopefully the rumors are just that and we have a chance at the better auto pulls per case.

07-30-2007, 10:52 AM	#12
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	Actually you should average closer to $45 or $50 for auto when you factor in the premium for #d autos which should fall 4 per case.

07-30-2007, 12:39 PM	#16
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	I agree that Joba will not outsell Hughes a few weeks after release but keep this in mind...there are 1,000 of Bowman Chrome Hughes cards out there and every prospector who wanted one has one. The first few days of release there may only be 20-30 Joba autos listed and everyone will want to get one driving up prices. I have seen this will every Topps release with the hot RCs. I hope I'm right or my wife will be asking where is all the money I said I would make on that credit card purchase.

07-30-2007, 12:59 PM	#17
Wai Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 74 wailucards	I am buying 5 cases and will keep 3 sealed. I will bust 1 or 2 cases to see if I am lucky enough to pull a Joba Chamberlain, Tim Lincecum or FMart auto.

07-30-2007, 02:39 PM	#20
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	That group of players they added could have been worse. Lincoln is a former #3 overall pick and has no other Topps or UD autos. Could be a $40 auto out of the gate despite his injury. Cedric Hunter is regarded as the future leadoff hitter for the Padres and is only 19. Hamilton is a former 2nd round pick for the Cards and just got called up to A. The rest are fillers.

07-30-2007, 04:41 PM	#22
scottiff Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 390	I love Bowman Chrome so to kick off my first post on this board I will join in the fray. Ok some are talking about Joba cards not outselling Hughes cards. Maybe not in the long run but I think prospectors are all about the here and now. When they buy these prospects I don't think they are necessarily thinking about prospect A from 2004 versus prospect B from this year. They just know they want him and the market sets the price based on that demand. I am sure there are some that are very thorough and will view this but I think the majority will just shuck the bucks to get their man. I'm in for 12 cases and will open at least 7.

07-30-2007, 04:53 PM	#23
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	Scottif: Totally agree with your assesment. Were you the one who shared you stories last year about you getting $250+ for your Upton and Gordon autos out of the gate?

07-30-2007, 05:01 PM	#24
scottiff Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 390	No unfortunately that was not me. I listed as quickly as I could but I get my stuff no earlier than any of us regular guys here on the board. I wish Chrome worked like Draft. With Draft you don't have to be in such a hurry. It really is weird. Now on the autos it is still pretty much first come first serve but with the prospect lots and refractors they hold if not gain in value a couple of weeks after release. It has to do with the Christmas season. It is an anomaly but an awesome one. My lots of Draft last year sold better the week after Christmas than they did the week of release of the product.

07-30-2007, 05:11 PM	#25
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	I think a lot of it has to do with bidding on Mr. Mems first lots out of the gate. Some no name prospect's 20 card lot might go for $20 and everyone else starts to wonder what the winning bidder knew that I didn't.