2010 Razor Rookie Retro

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armyatc22 · 07-07-2010, 03:37 PM

Wow this might be the best product by razor ever!!! I wonder how much it will run

mwheeler27 · 07-07-2010, 04:09 PM

I'm going to say that it's not hard to make a product using everyone else's cards.

Not to be too much of a downer because I too think this is going to be a good product that will make many people happy, but I think it's opening the door to a whole new product idea that we might grow tired of real soon. Just think, now anyone with any kind of collection can offer it up in a packaged format. They can even go around buying up good cards to package. After all, is this really that different than all those auctions we used to see on ebay? You know, those that said something like, "I have 100 packages sealed up and ready to mail out. Included in them is a Lebron James Equisite RC Auto. Buy one, several, or all of them for your shot at this fantastic RC card!".

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm just afraid it will be the beginning of endless recycling of legendary cards. I hope I'm wrong. After all, maybe that's not a bad idea.

Awaskie · 07-07-2010, 04:52 PM

I love it. Always a fan of Razor and their releases.

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Blake · 07-07-2010, 06:50 PM

I just need to know the price

pac213up · 07-07-2010, 07:04 PM

I have heard approx. $250 per pack/box.

Blake · 07-07-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pac213up

I have heard approx. $250 per pack/box.

I need to see a few boxes opened to justify it lol. I really want to see what the crap cards look like.

sdbballa · 07-07-2010, 07:10 PM

I love the Razor Products. Mantle was from Legends of the Diamond and Williams was from Sport Icons

pac213up · 07-07-2010, 08:22 PM

And interestingly one of the main draws on the sell sheet is currently listed on Ebay. Now that makes a lot of sense!

2007 Bowman Draft Chrome SUPERFRACTOR 1/1 JASON HEYWARD - eBay (item 120575977002 end time Jul-27-10 10:28:14 PDT)

cruiserdaddy7 · 07-07-2010, 08:42 PM

Wow nice post above me. Should be some further proof why this company is hard to trust. Considering them selling stuff on the side among many other things, placing a card on a sell sheet that can be currently purchased on eBay and is a 1/1 should tell us all stay FAR FAR AWAY from this product.

mwheeler27 · 07-07-2010, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pac213up

And interestingly one of the main draws on the sell sheet is currently listed on Ebay. Now that makes a lot of sense!

2007 Bowman Draft Chrome SUPERFRACTOR 1/1 JASON HEYWARD - eBay (item 120575977002 end time Jul-27-10 10:28:14 PDT)

Ummm...what are we missing here? Look at the subtitle. Wasn't this one of the cards he mentioned in that interview. I do believe this is one of Brian Gray's ebay accounts that was selling this card.

I see the auction has ended. Does anyone know if it was live earlier today?

mwheeler27 · 07-07-2010, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pac213up

And interestingly one of the main draws on the sell sheet is currently listed on Ebay. Now that makes a lot of sense!

2007 Bowman Draft Chrome SUPERFRACTOR 1/1 JASON HEYWARD - eBay (item 120575977002 end time Jul-27-10 10:28:14 PDT)

This auction ended less than 25 minutes ago!

pac213up · 07-07-2010, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Ummm...what are we missing here? Look at the subtitle. Wasn't this one of the cards he mentioned in that interview. I do believe this is one of Brian Gray's ebay accounts that was selling this card.

I see the auction has ended. Does anyone know if it was live earlier today?

Yes it was most definitely live earlier today. I think that was pulled down in the last couple of hours. Brian Gray pulled it down after people started questioning it.

mwheeler27 · 07-07-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pac213up

Yes it was most definitely live earlier today. I think that was pulled down in the last couple of hours. Brian Gray pulled it down after people started questioning it.

Then what would have happened had some one hit the BIN?

After the whole Inkworks/Razor episode where the best autos were being sold on ebay before the product was live, and then this, I would think people would have a hard time trusting enough to buy this product. I know I won't be buying any. My common sense is ringing loudly right now.

pac213up · 07-07-2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Then what would have happened had some one hit the BIN?

After the whole Inkworks/Razor episode where the best autos were being sold on ebay before the product was live, and then this, I would think people would have a hard time trusting enough to buy this product. I know I won't be buying any. My common sense is ringing loudly right now.

I'm sure he will come up with some excuse like he always does.

mwheeler27 · 07-07-2010, 09:13 PM

So in that video Beckett made with Brian Gray and the Strasburg Superfractor, Gray stated that he's been buying high end BGS and PSA cards for this product for the past 6 months now. So why on earth did he list the Heyward Superfractor card on ebay? In that video, at about the 6:15 mark, he stated this Heyward card would be in the product, yet he listed it on eBay.

cruiserdaddy7 · 07-07-2010, 09:39 PM

Not only did he say it would be in there, ITS ON the stinkin sell sheet Blowout posted direct from Razor. I sent an email to Razor about it, and my guess is some other people probably did along with reading this board? I know they have an employee who reads here because he blasted me for questioning the 09 Vault when they were selling the best hits on an account. This product is a great idea, but you need a company with integrity to release it. Not sure who that would be, I bet Wheeler has a suggestion lol. Seriously though, I was kinda hyped on this product, now I wouldnt touch the junk and the word Im sure will soon spread. Id be shocked if a real non related to the company customer hits any of these top cards. Considering he is already trying to sell a card he invested in for this product, that says enough. It appears if he bought it for this product, he had NO INTENTION of putting it in the packs/boxes. Buyer beware. Would love to hear the line of trash he would come up with for this one.

wolffer12 · 07-07-2010, 10:59 PM

After all the stuff that has been seen with Razor/Mr. Gray, one would have to be a fool to spend any money on this product. With that being said, I can bet the house that people will still buy this product.

cruiserdaddy7 · 07-08-2010, 01:26 AM

I agree people will both buy it and be sorry they did. Kinda like getting your butt kicked twice. Initially when we bought the products years ago and couldnt hit these cards, and years later when we try again to hit these cards and they are already on eBay before it releases. I dont see how he can even deflect this blunder considering the fact he said he bought this card solely for this product yet he was trying to sell it. Amazing Mr Gray amazing.

rambel · 07-08-2010, 08:40 AM

That is one of Brian Gray's account. If you notice the location is Frisco which is where Razor is headquartered.

Now I have no idea why the card is listed. Maybe he's trying to get attention to the product and himself again. Hah.

Drew · 07-08-2010, 08:53 AM

I was assuming dealer cost was something like $200.

$200 (price of each pack) x 1794 (number of packs) = $358800 (Around how much Razor will bring in).

Assuming 80% ROI is correct. That means 358800 x 80% = $287040 (money Razor spent on cards). This is assuming we are calling value ebay prices and not beckett book value.

$358800 - $287040 = $71760 (money Razor should profit before shipping, handling, labor, packing fees, etc....)

Just for fun say $287040 is what they spent on the cards. If you take out the top 3 cards (Stras, Heyward and the Lebron) that will put it down to at elast $250000. $250000/1791 = about $140 a box return (if you don't pull one of the big 3). And if they sell for $250 a pop. You'll be losing on average $110.

We'll have alot better understanding how well everyone can fair once we see the checklist but on average probably a $110 loss?

Side Question: How many Razor Legends of the Diamonds packs were made? I notice that unopened boxes are drying up and, as mentioned before, still no 1952 Mantle.

Zerokruel · 07-08-2010, 09:28 AM

The Razor Legends of the Diamonds and the Rookie Retro product were purchased pretty much along the same time. Give certain cards could not be obtained till a later date, Mr. Gray has been buying up BGS & PSA cards for a while now. Anyone who has been at the shows here in CA and the biggers shows across the US has probably seen him there. He spent a pretty penny on the RLD product, and while trying to buy in bulk most of the time - it didn't always happen.

Brad · 07-08-2010, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew

Assuming 80% ROI is correct. That means 358800 x 80% = $287040 (money Razor spent on cards). This is assuming we are calling value ebay prices and not beckett book value.

$358800 - $287040 = $71760 (money Razor should profit before shipping, handling, labor, packing fees, etc....)

Those numbers aren't correct for an 80% ROI. You are looking at costs of around $200k with an 80% return ($160k) to get up to the $360k you figured as what they'll take in on this stuff. Unless you used the term ROI when you meant something else.

cruiserdaddy7 · 07-08-2010, 11:08 AM

I can only imagine how high the profit numbers will go when you pull out the top cards everyone is chasing. Stash aside the Stras, Heyward, Bron, Crosby etc and the money starts piling up. I again cant see any possible excuse as to why he was selling that Heyward since it was intended for this product. Seems way too shady. Also as mentioned before, looks like nobody hit the big card from his last product either. What a joke.

SCR · 07-10-2010, 12:53 AM

I have one wholesaler doing it for $216 - $225 depending on how much you buy.

My guess is the hobby price will be around $250

Who knows why the Heyward was on eBay and on the sell sheet/mentioned in an interview. Hopefully collectors get some good stuff for the money!

07-07-2010, 03:09 PM	#1
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07-08-2010, 08:40 AM	#20
rambel Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,876 rambel	That is one of Brian Gray's account. If you notice the location is Frisco which is where Razor is headquartered. Now I have no idea why the card is listed. Maybe he's trying to get attention to the product and himself again. Hah. __________________ Always looking for current Texas Rangers relics / Autos

07-08-2010, 08:53 AM	#21
Drew Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 594	I was assuming dealer cost was something like $200. $200 (price of each pack) x 1794 (number of packs) = $358800 (Around how much Razor will bring in). Assuming 80% ROI is correct. That means 358800 x 80% = $287040 (money Razor spent on cards). This is assuming we are calling value ebay prices and not beckett book value. $358800 - $287040 = $71760 (money Razor should profit before shipping, handling, labor, packing fees, etc....) Just for fun say $287040 is what they spent on the cards. If you take out the top 3 cards (Stras, Heyward and the Lebron) that will put it down to at elast $250000. $250000/1791 = about $140 a box return (if you don't pull one of the big 3). And if they sell for $250 a pop. You'll be losing on average $110. We'll have alot better understanding how well everyone can fair once we see the checklist but on average probably a $110 loss? Side Question: How many Razor Legends of the Diamonds packs were made? I notice that unopened boxes are drying up and, as mentioned before, still no 1952 Mantle. __________________ Collecting Cleveland memorabilia.

07-08-2010, 09:28 AM	#22
Zerokruel Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Amarillo, Texas Posts: 6,531 zerokruel	The Razor Legends of the Diamonds and the Rookie Retro product were purchased pretty much along the same time. Give certain cards could not be obtained till a later date, Mr. Gray has been buying up BGS & PSA cards for a while now. Anyone who has been at the shows here in CA and the biggers shows across the US has probably seen him there. He spent a pretty penny on the RLD product, and while trying to buy in bulk most of the time - it didn't always happen. __________________ Currently looking for the following comic Books: United Comics: 21,22,23,24,26 Tip Top: 173 & 184 Peanuts 1 (1953) Peanuts: 1-4 (1963-64)

07-07-2010, 03:37 PM	#2
armyatc22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Who knows Posts: 22,041 armyatc22	Wow this might be the best product by razor ever!!! I wonder how much it will run

07-07-2010, 04:09 PM	#3
mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	I'm going to say that it's not hard to make a product using everyone else's cards. Not to be too much of a downer because I too think this is going to be a good product that will make many people happy, but I think it's opening the door to a whole new product idea that we might grow tired of real soon. Just think, now anyone with any kind of collection can offer it up in a packaged format. They can even go around buying up good cards to package. After all, is this really that different than all those auctions we used to see on ebay? You know, those that said something like, "I have 100 packages sealed up and ready to mail out. Included in them is a Lebron James Equisite RC Auto. Buy one, several, or all of them for your shot at this fantastic RC card!". It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm just afraid it will be the beginning of endless recycling of legendary cards. I hope I'm wrong. After all, maybe that's not a bad idea.

07-07-2010, 04:52 PM	#4
Awaskie Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Awaskie	I love it. Always a fan of Razor and their releases. AJW AJW Sports and Collectibles items - Get great deals on Inserts, 2010 items on eBay Stores!

07-07-2010, 06:50 PM	#5
Blake Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,305	I just need to know the price

07-07-2010, 07:04 PM	#6
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,268	I have heard approx. $250 per pack/box.

07-07-2010, 07:10 PM	#8
sdbballa Banned Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,812	I love the Razor Products. Mantle was from Legends of the Diamond and Williams was from Sport Icons

07-07-2010, 08:22 PM	#9
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,268	And interestingly one of the main draws on the sell sheet is currently listed on Ebay. Now that makes a lot of sense! 2007 Bowman Draft Chrome SUPERFRACTOR 1/1 JASON HEYWARD - eBay (item 120575977002 end time Jul-27-10 10:28:14 PDT)

07-07-2010, 08:42 PM	#10
cruiserdaddy7 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,599 Cruiserdaddy7	Wow nice post above me. Should be some further proof why this company is hard to trust. Considering them selling stuff on the side among many other things, placing a card on a sell sheet that can be currently purchased on eBay and is a 1/1 should tell us all stay FAR FAR AWAY from this product.

07-07-2010, 09:13 PM	#16
mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	So in that video Beckett made with Brian Gray and the Strasburg Superfractor, Gray stated that he's been buying high end BGS and PSA cards for this product for the past 6 months now. So why on earth did he list the Heyward Superfractor card on ebay? In that video, at about the 6:15 mark, he stated this Heyward card would be in the product, yet he listed it on eBay.

07-07-2010, 09:39 PM	#17
cruiserdaddy7 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,599 Cruiserdaddy7	Not only did he say it would be in there, ITS ON the stinkin sell sheet Blowout posted direct from Razor. I sent an email to Razor about it, and my guess is some other people probably did along with reading this board? I know they have an employee who reads here because he blasted me for questioning the 09 Vault when they were selling the best hits on an account. This product is a great idea, but you need a company with integrity to release it. Not sure who that would be, I bet Wheeler has a suggestion lol. Seriously though, I was kinda hyped on this product, now I wouldnt touch the junk and the word Im sure will soon spread. Id be shocked if a real non related to the company customer hits any of these top cards. Considering he is already trying to sell a card he invested in for this product, that says enough. It appears if he bought it for this product, he had NO INTENTION of putting it in the packs/boxes. Buyer beware. Would love to hear the line of trash he would come up with for this one.

07-07-2010, 10:59 PM	#18
wolffer12 banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,420	After all the stuff that has been seen with Razor/Mr. Gray, one would have to be a fool to spend any money on this product. With that being said, I can bet the house that people will still buy this product.

07-08-2010, 01:26 AM	#19
cruiserdaddy7 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,599 Cruiserdaddy7	I agree people will both buy it and be sorry they did. Kinda like getting your butt kicked twice. Initially when we bought the products years ago and couldnt hit these cards, and years later when we try again to hit these cards and they are already on eBay before it releases. I dont see how he can even deflect this blunder considering the fact he said he bought this card solely for this product yet he was trying to sell it. Amazing Mr Gray amazing.

07-08-2010, 11:08 AM	#24
cruiserdaddy7 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,599 Cruiserdaddy7	I can only imagine how high the profit numbers will go when you pull out the top cards everyone is chasing. Stash aside the Stras, Heyward, Bron, Crosby etc and the money starts piling up. I again cant see any possible excuse as to why he was selling that Heyward since it was intended for this product. Seems way too shady. Also as mentioned before, looks like nobody hit the big card from his last product either. What a joke.

07-10-2010, 12:53 AM	#25
SCR Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 153 SportsCardRadio	I have one wholesaler doing it for $216 - $225 depending on how much you buy. My guess is the hobby price will be around $250 Who knows why the Heyward was on eBay and on the sell sheet/mentioned in an interview. Hopefully collectors get some good stuff for the money!