Did I just see an Altered Correa in a PSA Slab?

bear0555 · 04-04-2016, 02:59 PM

I'm shopping for today and come across this:
2013 Bowman Chrome BCPCC Carlos Correa Astros RC Rookie Auto PSA 9 Mint | eBay

I'm sure someone here has to see what I see. And my eyes tell me the card is altered. Another reason to use a consigner, I guess.

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pdxprospect · 04-04-2016, 03:02 PM

Do you mind sharing what you see? I am looking, but do not see anything off first glance...

jubei777 · 04-04-2016, 03:02 PM

wow, that's bold. literally

COEFOR · 04-04-2016, 03:03 PM

The frosting on the top right and the damage to the flip that appears to be done by pliers or something?

Edit: Now I see the auto issue as well. Guessing he shimmied the top right where that small white line of frosting is with a knife or something to pop it open but also stabbed the flip.

NeedChapmans · 04-04-2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Do you mind sharing what you see? I am looking, but do not see anything off first glance...

The auto appears to have three separate, darker streaks to it. Looks like someone took a sharpie and filled in spots that were likely faded.

Jesh · 04-04-2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Do you mind sharing what you see? I am looking, but do not see anything off first glance...

I'm guessing that it is the filled in auto? It looks like someone touched up the auto with a sharpie

houstonrules51 · 04-04-2016, 03:04 PM

to me it looks like someone went over the auto in certain spots with a blue pen to fill in some of the streaks.

Stats · 04-04-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Do you mind sharing what you see? I am looking, but do not see anything off first glance...

looks like someone tried to fill in some of the streaking areas of the auto

houstonrules51 · 04-04-2016, 03:06 PM

A) If that is what occurred, the person did a bad job of it
b) why would you do it if you were sending to PSA? Only BGS would care and I am sure they would spot that.
c) maybe the tried, sent it to BGS who said no and so they sent to psa?

pdxprospect · 04-04-2016, 03:07 PM

Oh wow. I see that now.
If PSA would have seen this, or considered it, it would have had an (MK), no?
Unless the buyer went with "no qualifiers", which inherently would have taken a 9.5/8 and made it a PSA 9.

asujbl · 04-04-2016, 03:08 PM

Clearly a reason they didn't pay for the autograph grade that PSA now offers.

While we can argue to death whether PSA "should" reject that - they clearly aren't going to when the alteration isn't even something they supposedly are looking at.

I don't think the MK really applies in this instance

COEFOR · 04-04-2016, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Oh wow. I see that now.
If PSA would have seen this, or considered it, it would have had an (MK), no?
Unless the buyer went with "no qualifiers", which inherently would have taken a 9.5/8 and made it a PSA 9.

No qualifiers on streaky autos with PSA. They just look at the card itself unless you pay for an auto grade as well and this new service isn't really common yet.

bear0555 · 04-04-2016, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by COEFOR

The frosting on the top right and the damage to the flip that appears to be done by pliers or something?

I didn't catch this. Maybe there's more than just a grader missing an altered auto. It's a new label, so I have to wonder if it's a new slab as well.

asujbl · 04-04-2016, 03:39 PM

RedLaser checks out

Not that it's a guarantee... but if it's a fake label then someone didn't half a** it

tke1600 · 04-04-2016, 03:43 PM

It looks like an altered auto for sure. I saw this card raw about a month back but stayed away when I saw the auto. PSA didn't even check the auto when they graded this one.

houstonrules51 · 04-04-2016, 03:45 PM

I didn't know that PSA was grading auto's now. Not a fan of this, but oh well. I wouldn't fault PSA - as someone mentioned - they weren't being asked to look at it so they probably didn't.

Natitude · 04-04-2016, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonrules51

I didn't know that PSA was grading auto's now. Not a fan of this, but oh well. I wouldn't fault PSA - as someone mentioned - they weren't being asked to look at it so they probably didn't.

I don't understand though, for them to list it as an autograph in the description, they'd still have to authenticate it. The actual grading of the autograph they do is under a different service. Below are the options you get for the online sub form. So while PSA doesn't grade the auto, they should have caught the alteration.

No Autograph Authentication
Your trading card does not have an autograph or has a post-1998 direct-from-manufacturer applied autograph.

Autograph Authentication (Without Card Grade)
No grade is assigned to the autograph or the card but the autograph and card are authenticated and encapsulated.

Autograph Authentication (With Card Grade)
Autograph and card are encapsulated and a grade is assigned to the card (autographs are not graded under this PSA service).

COEFOR · 04-04-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Natitude

I don't understand though, for them to list it as an autograph in the description, they'd still have to authenticate it. The actual grading of the autograph they do is under a different service. Below are the options you get for the online sub form. So while PSA doesn't grade the auto, they should have caught the alteration.

No Autograph Authentication
Your trading card does not have an autograph or has a post-1998 direct-from-manufacturer applied autograph.

Autograph Authentication (Without Card Grade)
No grade is assigned to the autograph or the card but the autograph and card are authenticated and encapsulated.

Autograph Authentication (With Card Grade)
Autograph and card are encapsulated and a grade is assigned to the card (autographs are not graded under this PSA service).

That's only for pre-1998 cards, they will make you go through the PSA/DNA process. For modern, it will just annotate that it is an autograph and no further authentication is needed. They just recently started grading autos as well like BGS.

But I don't think the signature was altered pre-PSA. I think it was done after with the visible cracking and damage on the top right of the case.

itradeerrors · 04-04-2016, 05:21 PM

With the PSA hologram isn't that a new style slab? I have not heard about one of them being cracked and resealed before. Has anyone else?

WJCIII · 04-04-2016, 05:26 PM

There's nothing wrong with the slab or label. That's just your run of the mill spiderweb crack, they're pretty common on slabs.

kyle1707 · 04-04-2016, 05:29 PM

Those new holders... I don't think you can open those without breaking them..

Unlike the old psa holders..

Also the holder looks fine... very clear everywhere...

The auto does look weird though...

But imo the holder is fine

mjohnatgt · 04-04-2016, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bear0555

I didn't catch this. Maybe there's more than just a grader missing an altered auto. It's a new label, so I have to wonder if it's a new slab as well.

I just got a big shipment back from PSA (135 vintage cards) and a few of the cases had the same pattern cracking in a corner. So the holder was most likely sent by PSA like that. Maybe their sealing device was misaligned or stonger than usual. If PSA saw that as an alteration, they would have encased it as "Authentic - Altered" instead of giving it a number grade for the card. It's possible it was done by Carlos though...

bear0555 · 04-04-2016, 05:37 PM

That's why I was wondering if it's an old or new slab. A new slab would probably indicate PSA graded the altered card. An old slab would mean someone had a [possibly unused] slab, cracked a new PSA 9 Correa, used the new label and altered card, and sealed the holder that way. My guess is that PSA screwed this one up. And when maybe 999 of 1000 autograph cards aren't altered, it makes sense to me that they missed it, but is completely inexcusable for a professional grading service.

bear0555 · 04-04-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I just got a big shipment back from PSA (135 vintage cards) and a few of the cases had the same pattern cracking in a corner. So the holder was most likely sent by PSA like that. Maybe their sealing device was misaligned or stonger than usual. If PSA saw that as an alteration, they would have encased it as "Authentic - Altered" instead of giving it a number grade for the card. It's possible it was done by Carlos though...

It is not. It is a blatant attempt to make a streaky autograph look bold.

Archangel1775 · 04-04-2016, 08:32 PM

What a silly thing to attempt. A $200 card turned into garbage. The only thing to do is wipe away the auto and have Correa resign it.

04-04-2016, 02:59 PM	#1
bear0555 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,778 greenfankc bear0555	Did I just see an Altered Correa in a PSA Slab? I'm shopping for today and come across this: 2013 Bowman Chrome BCPCC Carlos Correa Astros RC Rookie Auto PSA 9 Mint \| eBay I'm sure someone here has to see what I see. And my eyes tell me the card is altered. Another reason to use a consigner, I guess. 1/22/2019 edit: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=162 link to page 2: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=988613&page=2 __________________ Bowman Chrome Autos For Sale: Raw, BGS, PSA, Base, and Color. Click Ebay link for listings. Current Featured Card[s]: 2019 Bowman Chrome Draft Corbin Carroll Black Wave Refractor Auto 1/1 BGS 9.5 Last edited by bear0555; 01-23-2019 at 01:31 AM.

04-04-2016, 03:02 PM	#2
pdxprospect Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PDX Posts: 2,455 pdxprospect	Do you mind sharing what you see? I am looking, but do not see anything off first glance... __________________ A small time collector and investor in the great PDX.

04-04-2016, 03:03 PM	#4
COEFOR Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,960 countofparis countofparis	The frosting on the top right and the damage to the flip that appears to be done by pliers or something? Edit: Now I see the auto issue as well. Guessing he shimmied the top right where that small white line of frosting is with a knife or something to pop it open but also stabbed the flip. __________________ IG: coefor_collection Blood Upon the Risers... Last edited by COEFOR; 04-04-2016 at 03:07 PM.

04-04-2016, 03:04 PM	#7
houstonrules51 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,556 houst-ji	to me it looks like someone went over the auto in certain spots with a blue pen to fill in some of the streaks. __________________ DODGERS ALL THE WAY!!! Looking to Buy 15 Bowman Jordan Luplow Red/Orange/Gold Autos!

04-04-2016, 03:06 PM	#9
houstonrules51 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,556 houst-ji	A) If that is what occurred, the person did a bad job of it b) why would you do it if you were sending to PSA? Only BGS would care and I am sure they would spot that. c) maybe the tried, sent it to BGS who said no and so they sent to psa? __________________ DODGERS ALL THE WAY!!! Looking to Buy 15 Bowman Jordan Luplow Red/Orange/Gold Autos!

04-04-2016, 03:02 PM	#3
jubei777 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,398 jubei777	wow, that's bold. literally

04-04-2016, 03:07 PM	#10
pdxprospect Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PDX Posts: 2,455 pdxprospect	Oh wow. I see that now. If PSA would have seen this, or considered it, it would have had an (MK), no? Unless the buyer went with "no qualifiers", which inherently would have taken a 9.5/8 and made it a PSA 9. __________________ A small time collector and investor in the great PDX.

04-04-2016, 03:08 PM	#11
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 59,086 ohiosundevils	Clearly a reason they didn't pay for the autograph grade that PSA now offers. While we can argue to death whether PSA "should" reject that - they clearly aren't going to when the alteration isn't even something they supposedly are looking at. I don't think the MK really applies in this instance __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

04-04-2016, 03:39 PM	#14
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 59,086 ohiosundevils	RedLaser checks out Not that it's a guarantee... but if it's a fake label then someone didn't half a it __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/** Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

04-04-2016, 03:43 PM	#15
tke1600 Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,842 tke1600	It looks like an altered auto for sure. I saw this card raw about a month back but stayed away when I saw the auto. PSA didn't even check the auto when they graded this one.

04-04-2016, 03:45 PM	#16
houstonrules51 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,556 houst-ji	I didn't know that PSA was grading auto's now. Not a fan of this, but oh well. I wouldn't fault PSA - as someone mentioned - they weren't being asked to look at it so they probably didn't. __________________ DODGERS ALL THE WAY!!! Looking to Buy 15 Bowman Jordan Luplow Red/Orange/Gold Autos!

04-04-2016, 05:21 PM	#19
itradeerrors Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Dakota Posts: 770	With the PSA hologram isn't that a new style slab? I have not heard about one of them being cracked and resealed before. Has anyone else?

04-04-2016, 05:26 PM	#20
WJCIII Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,105 wjc75056	There's nothing wrong with the slab or label. That's just your run of the mill spiderweb crack, they're pretty common on slabs.

04-04-2016, 05:29 PM	#21
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 19,654	Those new holders... I don't think you can open those without breaking them.. Unlike the old psa holders.. Also the holder looks fine... very clear everywhere... The auto does look weird though... But imo the holder is fine

04-04-2016, 05:37 PM	#23
bear0555 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,778 greenfankc bear0555	That's why I was wondering if it's an old or new slab. A new slab would probably indicate PSA graded the altered card. An old slab would mean someone had a [possibly unused] slab, cracked a new PSA 9 Correa, used the new label and altered card, and sealed the holder that way. My guess is that PSA screwed this one up. And when maybe 999 of 1000 autograph cards aren't altered, it makes sense to me that they missed it, but is completely inexcusable for a professional grading service. __________________ Bowman Chrome Autos For Sale: Raw, BGS, PSA, Base, and Color. Click Ebay link for listings. Current Featured Card[s]: 2019 Bowman Chrome Draft Corbin Carroll Black Wave Refractor Auto 1/1 BGS 9.5

04-04-2016, 08:32 PM	#25
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 20,472	What a silly thing to attempt. A $200 card turned into garbage. The only thing to do is wipe away the auto and have Correa resign it. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*