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Old 10-29-2016, 12:58 AM   #1
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Default Would you buy an SGC gem mint to send to PSA/BGS?

Looking at some current stuff, not vintage. Don't know much about SGC and how accurate their grades are (I know; grading, accuracy, etc)

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Old 10-29-2016, 07:28 AM   #2
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I would have to see the card in hand before making the decision. There are some true gems in other companies slabs, but there are far more turds. Each card needs to be checked case by case.
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I've recently thought about doing this as well. Everything in grading is subjective. One mans 9 is another mans 10 is another mans 8. Depending on how close up I can get on the scan and judge for myself, I will be giving it a try soon.
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1976 O-Pee-Chee #175 - Ken Singleton [SGC 98]
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I bought this guy on COMC and it's at PSA now. Kept it in the holder with a crossover sub along with some other good cards (Mantle, T51s, other HOFs in BGS) for my renewal sub from last year. PSA will have to give it a 10 in order for it to be cracked out, as I put 10 for the min grade.
There is a post on Net54 right now about a miscut/highly off-centered BGS card that was graded a 4 that got a PSA 8(OC) because the card itself was NM-MT. You can play the grading card companies against each other if you know the differences in their grading scales.
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I would have to see the card in hand before making the decision. There are some true gems in other companies slabs, but there are far more turds. Each card needs to be checked case by case.
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I've recently thought about doing this as well. Everything in grading is subjective. One mans 9 is another mans 10 is another mans 8. Depending on how close up I can get on the scan and judge for myself, I will be giving it a try soon.
Right. Plus, I'm only willing to try it if I get a really good deal on it; minimize lose

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1976 O-Pee-Chee #175 - Ken Singleton [SGC#@98]
Courtesy of COMC.com

I bought this guy on COMC and it's at PSA now. Kept it in the holder with a crossover sub along with some other good cards (Mantle, T51s, other HOFs in BGS) for my renewal sub from last year. PSA will have to give it a 10 in order for it to be cracked out, as I put 10 for the min grade.
There is a post on Net54 right now about a miscut/highly off-centered BGS card that was graded a 4 that got a PSA 8(OC) because the card itself was NM-MT. You can play the grading card companies against each other if you know the differences in their grading scales.
That's smart. And I wasn't looking forward to cracking cases to do this
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Old 10-31-2016, 12:55 AM   #6
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I'm always scared to not crack. Fear that they'll try to act as the superior grader, take your money and claim the other is a joke and grades to lenient. I don't want them to know anything about the card prior to grading. Keeps an open mind imo. If I know it's a 9 already I would start to look at why it's a 9 if that makes sense.
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1976 O-Pee-Chee #175 - Ken Singleton [SGC#@98]
The Ken Singleton did not get a PSA 10. So it's coming back in the SGC 98 holder.
Here's the rest of my crossover sub:
1975 Topps Mini Gary Carter RC was BVG 6.5, now PSA 6 (would have taken 5.5 or above).
1959 Topps Don Drysdale was BVG 6, requested PSA 5.5, did not meet 5.5 grade.
1970 Topps Nolan Ryan was BVG 4.5, requested PSA 4, did not meet PSA 4.
1963 Topps Mickey Mantle was BVG 4.5, requested PSA 4, got a PSA 4.5
1984 Topps Don Mattingly RC was GAI 9, requested PSA 8.5, got a PSA 9.
1909 T51 Tufts University was SGC 5, requested PSA 4.5, got a PSA 5.
1909 T51 Dickinson College 2nd Ed was SGC 4.5, requested a 4, got PSA 4.5.
1972 Topps Archie Manning RC was SGC 7, requested PSA 6.5, got a PSA 7.
Crossed over my Authentic Altered 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Bobby Jones as well for the PSA registry set.
So 7 of 10 cards I sent got crossed, with only the Gary Carter dropping a half point. The others all crossed at the original grade. Success!
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Thanks for the detailed info. With all of the vague trash talk people have about one grading company or another, it is always great to see specifics.

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Looks like SGC crosses over pretty good.
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Old 11-13-2016, 08:50 AM   #10
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1984 Topps 63 John Elway - Was BGS 8 came back PSA 6
1989 Score 270 Troy Aikman - Was PSA 9 Came back PSA 7 (tho this is my 1st card ever to damage out of about 500 cracks lol I semi folded it when I dropped it, still subbed it just to see how bad I hurt it)
1986 Topps 161 Jerry Rice - Was BGS 8.5 came back PSA 7
1998 Finest Futures Finest F1 Peyton Manning - Was BGS 9 came back PSA 10
1998 Topps Legacies L15 Michael Jordan - Was BGS 9 came back PSA 9
1997 Ultra Star Power 1 Michael Jordan Plus - Was BGS 8.5 came back PSA 9
1996 Metal Molten Metal 18 Michael Jordan - Was BGS 9 came back PSA 8
1997 Finest 154 Michael Jordan Gold - Was BGS 9 came back PSA 9
1995 Skybox E-XL Natural Born Thrillers 1 Michael Jordan - Was BGS 9 came back PSA 9
1997 Hoops High Voltage 14 Michael Jordan - Was BGS 9 came back PSA 10

4 drops - 3 significant drops lol
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In my eyes my experiment failed and may not happen again lol
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The Ken Singleton did not get a PSA 10. So it's coming back in the SGC 98 holder.
Here's the rest of my crossover sub:
1975 Topps Mini Gary Carter RC was BVG 6.5, now PSA 6 (would have taken 5.5 or above).
1959 Topps Don Drysdale was BVG 6, requested PSA 5.5, did not meet 5.5 grade.
1970 Topps Nolan Ryan was BVG 4.5, requested PSA 4, did not meet PSA 4.
1963 Topps Mickey Mantle was BVG 4.5, requested PSA 4, got a PSA 4.5
1984 Topps Don Mattingly RC was GAI 9, requested PSA 8.5, got a PSA 9.
1909 T51 Tufts University was SGC 5, requested PSA 4.5, got a PSA 5.
1909 T51 Dickinson College 2nd Ed was SGC 4.5, requested a 4, got PSA 4.5.
1972 Topps Archie Manning RC was SGC 7, requested PSA 6.5, got a PSA 7.
Crossed over my Authentic Altered 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Bobby Jones as well for the PSA registry set.
So 7 of 10 cards I sent got crossed, with only the Gary Carter dropping a half point. The others all crossed at the original grade. Success!
So you sent these all in the other company holders? How much do they charge on these?
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:51 PM   #12
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Yes, I left them in the other holders. I used my free submissions from my membership renewal on these.
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:12 PM   #13
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Here's an interesting one that just came back:

1968 Topps - [Base] #66.1 - Casey Cox (Yellow Team Name) [SGC 20]
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Cracked out and sent to PSA as part of the group submission here. It got a straight PSA 5, no MK qualifier. Surprising!
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:34 PM   #14
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Here's an interesting one that just came back:

1968 Topps - [Base] #66.1 - Casey Cox (Yellow Team Name) [SGC#@20]
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Cracked out and sent to PSA as part of the group submission here. It got a straight PSA 5, no MK qualifier. Surprising!
They didn't give that card an MK? Are all of those marks on the card or the case?
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:41 PM   #15
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Not according to the group sub host. I expected a MK or a MC/OC, because you can't have both. The red marker is on the card multiple places, in the shape of two tears and the splotch on the jersey. Will post a scan once I get it back.
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Old 06-29-2017, 06:53 AM   #16
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The Casey Cox above came back as a straight 5. Cracked out some BVG/SGC 1952 Topps baseball cards and submitted them to PSA on a monthly special and they just popped.

1952 Ed Blake: Was BVG 6, came back as PSA 4 since I damaged it getting it out of the BVG case.
1952 Frank Hiller: Was BVG 6, came back as PSA 6.
1952 Cliff Chambers: Was SGC 4.5 (55), came back as PSA 5.
1952 Leo Kiely: Was SGC 4 (50), came back as PSA 4.
1952 Bill Wight: Was BVG 4, came back as PSA 6.
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Sry about the Blake, congrats on the Wight
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