Why is Manning's TC card so undervalued?

[rawkstar2k]

I picked up a perfectly centered Aaron Rodgers TC card on eBay and paid a premium for it. I was wondering what the manning TC rookies go for and they average about $40 for PsA 9s and about $180 for PSA 10s. Why is this card so undervalued compared to Rodgers' chrome? I was a bit surprised to see the large price difference, especially considering Manning's body of work. Any opinions?

[bojesphob]

the rodgers is a bit more rare if iirc

[rawkstar2k]

Originally Posted by bojesphob

the rodgers is a bit more rare if iirc

That's a good point. Just checked the PSA population report and the Rodgers' card has a lower pop. What's crazy is that Rodger's TC card has risen dramatically since the end of the season. I made an offer on a BGS 9 refractor for 250 back in February and the seller countered at $260 and I decided to wait as I thought I was offering too much already lol. That card would sell for $600 now.

1998 TC Peyton Manning

(Base) PSA 9 -3431, PSA 10 -1079
(Refractor) PSA 9 - 196, PSA 10 - 37

2005 TC Aaron Rodgers

(Base) PSA 9 - 273, PSA 10 - 171
(Refractor) PSA 9 - 63, PSA 10 - 5

[xDomePatrolx]

2005 Topps Chrome was notorious for being off center.

[Drdduet]

If I recall correctly, in 1998 the rc's had the same print run as all other cards in the set and in 2005 all rc's were sp'd.

[dfr52]

Mannings rookie for PSA set registry is SP while Rodgers is Topps Chrome. The registry drives those prices as each considered the base non auto key rookie.

[Drdduet]

Originally Posted by dfr52

Mannings rookie for PSA set registry is SP while Rodgers is Topps Chrome. The registry drives those prices as each considered the base non auto key rookie.

Supply & Demand drive the prices. The registry increases the demand side (among other factors) for A-rod, and those cards are in shorter supply = higher price.

[dfr52]

Originally Posted by Drdduet

Supply & Demand drive the prices. The registry increases the demand side (among other factors) for A-rod, and those cards are in shorter supply = higher price.

After a key rookie is chosen for the registry demand dramatically increases. The same effect occurs once a player is voted into the HOF.

[Drdduet]

Originally Posted by dfr52

After a key rookie is chosen for the registry demand dramatically increases. The same effect occurs once a player is voted into the HOF.

Sure--but the supply side plays just as critical a role.

[seth2720]

I love the 98 Topps Chrome Manning Rookie, same with the Bowman Chrome. Iconic rookie cards that can be had at a great price.

[dfr52]

Originally Posted by Drdduet

Sure--but the supply side plays just as critical a role.

I will not apply this in all cases but Emmitt Smith's 1990 Action Packed rookie in PSA 10 is far more limited than his Score rookie in the same grade but the registry chosen rookie sells for more. Topps Chrome has been the rookie of choice for most players when SP is not an option so the football registry collectors have gone with it when adding players to sets. The registry is part of the driving force of supply and I would contend it weighs very heavily it what collectors pursue-directly or in directly.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dfr52

I will not apply this in all cases but Emmitt Smith's 1990 Action Packed rookie in PSA 10 is far more limited than his Score rookie in the same grade but the registry chosen rookie sells for more. Topps Chrome has been the rookie of choice for most players when SP is not an option so the football registry collectors have gone with it when adding players to sets. The registry is part of the driving force of supply and I would contend it weighs very heavily it what collectors pursue-directly or in directly.

The cards added to the sets are voted upon by those that participate in them.


as far as the Score vs AP Emmitt. Really? lol

His Score Sup rookie as ALWAYS been iconic.

[dfr52]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

The cards added to the sets are voted upon by those that participate in them.


as far as the Score vs AP Emmitt. Really? lol

His Score Sup rookie as ALWAYS been iconic.

I have seen raw and graded examples take off after a card is chosen. Demarcus Ware's Chrome rookie slowly took off in price after the card was voted upon and selected by registry collectors.

I was just giving an example with the Smith rookie where scarcity did not equal demand.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dfr52

I have seen raw and graded examples take off after a card is chosen. Demarcus Ware's Chrome rookie slowly took off in price after the card was voted upon and selected by registry collectors.

I was just giving an example with the Smith rookie where scarcity did not equal demand.

fair enough

No denying that the registry drives prices.

(i like Emmitt, so i may have overrecated, my apologies )

[Drdduet]

Supply and Demand, basic economic principle---leaving out other factors are failing to recognize them does not refute the basic economic principle of supply and demand.

I'm not disagreeing that the registry increases demand on certain cards.

[MFaulkCollector]

the 98 manning is not worth anything for the same reasons 98 moss, 97 tony gonzalez, 99 champ bailey, 96 harrison are not worth anything.... topps chrome was not the king for that era

the high end 90s insert rookies are the king of that time frame....... sales continue to reflect that as the high end insert rookies just keep skyrocketing from 96 to 99... the chrome really hasn't moved all that much in the last 4-5 years for that time frame minus the gonzalez refractor rc

enter 2000 and start with the urlacher chrome refractor /150..... then through brees, tomlinson, rodgers, fitz, ben... etc.... chrome takes the cake. really the early chrome rookies before 2000 are good value buys, there is a lot of room for growth and very little risk involved.... 2000 moving forward it seems the market has already priced out most people on the better stuff; it happened so fast

[rawkstar2k]

Thought this would be a fun bump discussion thread that I started nearly 2.5 years ago. I knew he was undervalued then, but didn't buy any . Now his PSA 9 card is going for nearly $400 (a few recent sales) and his PSA 10 is around $1700. All I can say is WOW, when I started this thread, the PSA 9 cards were around $40 and the 10s were around $180.

Does anyone think this specific card will hold current values?

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by rawkstar2k

Thought this would be a fun bump discussion thread that I started nearly 2.5 years ago. I knew he was undervalued then, but didn't buy any . Now his PSA 9 card is going for nearly $400 (a few recent sales) and his PSA 10 is around $1700. All I can say is WOW, when I started this thread, the PSA 9 cards were around $40 and the 10s were around $180.

Does anyone think this specific card will hold current values?

He was next in the line of players that would see a bump... We all know what Brady sells for... Brees had a bump... FaRve Stadium Club jumped $300... onl a matter of time til it got to Peyton. 1989 Score jumped too.

Everything is going nutty.

Glad I picked up a quad 9.5 TChrome after he won his 2nd Super Bowl. Wish I bought more months later after they settled lower.

[jg8422]

PSA 10 now going for 1900. I believe only gonna keep going up. Especially since he enters HOF 2021.

[nin5k72]

I picked up a BGS 9 of the Refractor a few years ago for around $250, I think. Now seeing they’re $1200+, pretty sweet.

[Siberian13]

Anyone have an idea what the PSA 9 refractor sold for in the 2015-16 years?

I had to go check which card I had, if it was a refractor or just base. It’s a PSA 9 refractor. I did not pay much for it back in 2015/16 range. Very surprised. Made me look up other cards. Have a 2002 bowman chrome refractor brady to /500. Was pretty surprised by that price too. Strange days