Tuff Stuff's Hobby Watchdog Warns of fake Exquisite FB cards

blowoutcards · 08-05-2009, 08:21 AM

Tuff Stuff's Hobby Watchdog Warns of fake Exquisite FB cards

If it's too good to be true, it probably is
When it comes to fake patches or fake cards, there are some that just make you wonder why the scammer would even think of putting them together. In the past, the scammers have only used low dollar jersey cards to execute their crimes. However, that doesn’t always hold true in every case, as sometimes you can have a guy who uses an extremely high end card for his scam. This can be very problematic, especially for people who aren’t used to having to identify fake patches.

Since the release of 2007 Exquisite Football, there have been 3 Adrian Peterson Viking head logo patch rookie autos that have made their way onto eBay. The first was posted with a letter of authenticity from Gregg Kohn of UD, and the other two were not. The second was actually tough to determine its authenticity until a message board user posted the before and after pictures of the original card without the fake patch. The third one was a pretty laughable fake, and was posted this past week on eBay. It sold for over 2,000 dollars, and it made me cringe to see that someone would spend that much on a card without actually looking into it.

As you can see from the pictures, the fake Viking head has a non-mesh background surrounding it, while the real one has a mesh jersey piece behind it. While studying the jerseys worn by the players on the field and at the 2007 rookie premiere, it’s pretty easy to see that the real logo one matches what is actually present on the real jerseys. The fake one may have been taken from a replithentic jersey, or from a shirt. It was not taken from anywhere on an authentic jersey, that’s for sure, and yet it still fetched top dollar. Also, the colors on the fake seem much lighter than the real one, as the purples almost look blue. You can also see that the stitching on real one is much thicker and raised.

Basically, when looking at a patch card of this magnitude or a patch card in general, there are always a few things you need to consider. Because sets like Exquisite and National Treasures have so many patches that can set of red flags on a legit card, be sure to do your research before bidding. First, always check the other auctions of the seller who is putting up the card. If they have a ton of patches that look ridiculously amazing, a red flag should immediately pop up in your head. Secondly, if the auction is a “private listing,” you can be rest assured there is a reason for it. Lastly, if the logo is perfectly centered with no surrounding jersey, that is a tell tale sign. Its very tough for the scammers to insert non-patch material into a window and make it look convincing, which usually forces them to cover their tracks by using a complete logo patch. Also, if the patch is from a commemorative jersey or all star game, make sure the player even played in that game. Yes, they can be that stupid sometimes.

Sadly, when examining the trends of people who take advantage of other's lack of information, we can see that they are starting to adapt their practices. They are no longer solely using cheap cards and turning them into expensive cards. They are taking expensive cards and turning them into cards that take in the price of a small car. They feed on the fact that most people just assume that no one would ever purposefully damage the most expensive card of 2007, and that leads to the examples above. In this assumption, they have found a large pain point among the high end collectors of the hobby, mainly due to the fact that many of these collectors believe that as long as the risk is high, a scammer won’t try their luck. As this example warrants, the risk on this card was in the stratosphere, and yet the chance was still taken. What this means is that nothing is sacred anymore, and that one should always live by the golden rule, no matter the price of the card.

"If its too good to be true, it probably isn’t real."

papajim · 08-05-2009, 11:18 AM

Good info!
Now you have to add a new forum section "REAL or FAKE"

I can see it now, every Exquisite patch on Ebay will be on here within a week. Is this real or fake??

248rayment4343 · 08-05-2009, 11:32 AM

can we get the link to look at the real and fake ones? just curious?

JohnfromtheBay · 08-05-2009, 11:44 AM

You can go to: Sports Cards Uncensored (Personally it's one of favorite blogs

) and search "Peterson Exquisite" and you'll see several blog entries detailing the while fiasco on the fake/real Peterson "Viking Head".

deltapi1049 · 08-05-2009, 12:08 PM

Sports Cards Uncensored: New Watchdog Post: Check Out Tuff Stuff.com

Here is the gateway, it links to the post.

08-05-2009, 08:21 AM	#1
blowoutcards Administrator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9,051 blowoutcards	Tuff Stuff's Hobby Watchdog Warns of fake Exquisite FB cards Tuff Stuff's Hobby Watchdog Warns of fake Exquisite FB cards If it's too good to be true, it probably is When it comes to fake patches or fake cards, there are some that just make you wonder why the scammer would even think of putting them together. In the past, the scammers have only used low dollar jersey cards to execute their crimes. However, that doesn’t always hold true in every case, as sometimes you can have a guy who uses an extremely high end card for his scam. This can be very problematic, especially for people who aren’t used to having to identify fake patches. Since the release of 2007 Exquisite Football, there have been 3 Adrian Peterson Viking head logo patch rookie autos that have made their way onto eBay. The first was posted with a letter of authenticity from Gregg Kohn of UD, and the other two were not. The second was actually tough to determine its authenticity until a message board user posted the before and after pictures of the original card without the fake patch. The third one was a pretty laughable fake, and was posted this past week on eBay. It sold for over 2,000 dollars, and it made me cringe to see that someone would spend that much on a card without actually looking into it. As you can see from the pictures, the fake Viking head has a non-mesh background surrounding it, while the real one has a mesh jersey piece behind it. While studying the jerseys worn by the players on the field and at the 2007 rookie premiere, it’s pretty easy to see that the real logo one matches what is actually present on the real jerseys. The fake one may have been taken from a replithentic jersey, or from a shirt. It was not taken from anywhere on an authentic jersey, that’s for sure, and yet it still fetched top dollar. Also, the colors on the fake seem much lighter than the real one, as the purples almost look blue. You can also see that the stitching on real one is much thicker and raised. Basically, when looking at a patch card of this magnitude or a patch card in general, there are always a few things you need to consider. Because sets like Exquisite and National Treasures have so many patches that can set of red flags on a legit card, be sure to do your research before bidding. First, always check the other auctions of the seller who is putting up the card. If they have a ton of patches that look ridiculously amazing, a red flag should immediately pop up in your head. Secondly, if the auction is a “private listing,” you can be rest assured there is a reason for it. Lastly, if the logo is perfectly centered with no surrounding jersey, that is a tell tale sign. Its very tough for the scammers to insert non-patch material into a window and make it look convincing, which usually forces them to cover their tracks by using a complete logo patch. Also, if the patch is from a commemorative jersey or all star game, make sure the player even played in that game. Yes, they can be that stupid sometimes. Sadly, when examining the trends of people who take advantage of other's lack of information, we can see that they are starting to adapt their practices. They are no longer solely using cheap cards and turning them into expensive cards. They are taking expensive cards and turning them into cards that take in the price of a small car. They feed on the fact that most people just assume that no one would ever purposefully damage the most expensive card of 2007, and that leads to the examples above. In this assumption, they have found a large pain point among the high end collectors of the hobby, mainly due to the fact that many of these collectors believe that as long as the risk is high, a scammer won’t try their luck. As this example warrants, the risk on this card was in the stratosphere, and yet the chance was still taken. What this means is that nothing is sacred anymore, and that one should always live by the golden rule, no matter the price of the card. "If its too good to be true, it probably isn’t real." __________________ Sign Up For Blowout Emails To Get The Latest Hobby Info And Exclusive Savings!

08-05-2009, 11:18 AM	#2
papajim Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,558 retiredafgi	Good info! Now you have to add a new forum section "REAL or FAKE" I can see it now, every Exquisite patch on Ebay will be on here within a week. Is this real or fake?? __________________ LOOKING FOR EDDIE ROYAL MAYO RED INK AUTOS

08-05-2009, 11:32 AM	#3
248rayment4343 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: michigan Posts: 6,370 248rayment4343	can we get the link to look at the real and fake ones? just curious?

08-05-2009, 11:44 AM	#4
JohnfromtheBay Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 702	You can go to: Sports Cards Uncensored (Personally it's one of favorite blogs ) and search "Peterson Exquisite" and you'll see several blog entries detailing the while fiasco on the fake/real Peterson "Viking Head".

08-05-2009, 12:08 PM	#5
deltapi1049 Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,801 deltapi1049	Sports Cards Uncensored: New Watchdog Post: Check Out Tuff Stuff.com Here is the gateway, it links to the post.