I'm gonna go ahead and say it....Allen & Ginter is a terrible product

gottagitdemjs · 07-30-2015, 08:49 PM

It's $100 per box and 2-3 weeks after release, it is nearly worthless. The chances of breaking even on a case are VERY VERY slim...especially this year. The SP's....if you can call them that....are worth no more than the base cards. I thought Topps was starting to finally get it with the awesome SP's that they put in Heritage and Archives, but no..."we'll slap some more sports writer t-shirt cards in Ginter and hope our customers are cool when they get 3 tshirt cards in a box and no autos." Good job Topps. You suckered in a bunch of people again. (You got me for the last time) I know the set builders will probably come in and try to defend it, but before you do so, take a look at your sets from past years in your closets that are now more valuable as toilet paper/fire wood than on the secondary sports card market. Ok....that's my opinion on Ginter....go ahead and discuss.

EB31 · 07-30-2015, 08:50 PM

I'll second that. Couldn't stand it or see the appeal since it's first release.

nera20 · 07-30-2015, 08:52 PM

Yeah the cards are pretty ugly this year, I usually try one box cant even bring myself to do that this year

Firerunner4 · 07-30-2015, 08:54 PM

Horrifically ugly, woof

gottagitdemjs · 07-30-2015, 08:56 PM

And I should clarify....I think it has it's merits as a product. The framed mini's and rip cards are extremely cool cards. The variations are neat, but it has gotten so scatterbrained (for lack of a better word). Topps needs to really reel this product back in next year.....more baseball....less non-sports. And for God's sake at $100, include an auto in each box....either that or lower the damn price.

base set · 07-30-2015, 08:57 PM

You can collect money, or you can collect baseball cards.

HYPTZEMDSTRPLES · 07-30-2015, 08:58 PM

I won't rip anymore either.Only singles for me.

metsandweezer · 07-30-2015, 08:59 PM

I love Ginter, I hate Bowman.

ArsonCuff · 07-30-2015, 09:01 PM

I liked 2010 Ginter, but that was only because I wanted Buster Posey Rcs....aside from then, it has always been a waste of money in terms of box buying for me. However, I don't dislike the concept of the set itself in general, though could use more interesting subjects.
This year to me seems like there was an extra dose of new to the hobby people box and case breaking it for some reason.

jam92102 · 07-30-2015, 09:02 PM

I collect ginter for the non sports and oddball stuff (except for the couple years they had guys I collect). Resell value is there but usually lasts longer it seems then it has with this release. I opened 8 boxes. I opened them for the fun and possible hits, not to make any money back on them. I made a couple hundred and that was just a bonus. I told myself next year I'll just use the money to buy the singles I want and get ahead but I know I'm lying to myself. I think it's just one of those products you love or hate. It's definitely not something you're going to make money on unless your first on the market or hit something everybody wants.

FunnyBoxBreak20 · 07-30-2015, 09:03 PM

I used to love ginter. I mean last year i went to my LCS and bought 2 boxes, got hook, and ended up buying a case and a half. didn't care that i spent 1400 and got a return of $350, A top loader mike trout auto and one rip card that i shouldnt have ripped were the onlt cards i got over $5 for.

exitmusicblue · 07-30-2015, 09:04 PM

Ginter need not appeal to breakers of traditional products because it has a vast audience... and dissers typically haven't hit huge bizarro treasures. Easy to get hooked once you do, the experience is unlike anything else.

Most breakers are not fixated on returns, either. For that there's Bowman Chrome.

Still haven't ripped a 2015 box yet but looking forward to it. I don't care if I lose on it, and strangely enough Ginter has been my most profitable product rip to date.

A case would be a stretch for me, though.

petillo64 · 07-30-2015, 09:10 PM

I think bowman and ginter gurgle donkey balls.

The final straws for me were:

1.) bowman going ape-crap with parallels. 18 different paper, 14 different chrome... Bubbles, wave, static...

2.) buying 10 copies of previous years' worthless a+g autos/base, and then stamping 1/10 on it to make the poor sap who pulled the Drew Stubbs mini framed auto /10 all warm and fuzzy inside. These aren't buybacks from 30 years ago, or even iconic cards. They are the same exact junk cards that lose money for sellers on comc or get stuck in $1-2 per auto threads in b/s/t...

They are really good at exploiting hobby trends and running good things into the ground

rcearley · 07-30-2015, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petillo64

I think bowman and ginter gurgle donkey balls.

Post of the day

purejd86p · 07-30-2015, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jam92102

I collect ginter for the non sports and oddball stuff (except for the couple years they had guys I collect). Resell value is there but usually lasts longer it seems then it has with this release. I opened 8 boxes. I opened them for the fun and possible hits, not to make any money back on them. I made a couple hundred and that was just a bonus. I told myself next year I'll just use the money to buy the singles I want and get ahead but I know I'm lying to myself. I think it's just one of those products you love or hate. It's definitely not something you're going to make money on unless your first on the market or hit something everybody wants.

What this guy said!

NobodysXHero · 07-30-2015, 09:27 PM

I love A&G but I have zero intent on reselling.

Giancarlo27 · 07-30-2015, 09:30 PM

this year's ginter is absolute unadulterated crap, and thats without mentioning the fact that it isn't even actually the "10th anniversary."

ArsonCuff · 07-30-2015, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

this year's ginter is absolute unadulterated crap, and thats without mentioning the fact that it isn't even actually the "10th anniversary."

It is the 10th anniversary of Topps making the brand.

Technochocolate · 07-30-2015, 09:35 PM

I think they either need more or less oddball stuff. Right now it's mostly a baseball product with just enough of the non-sport stuff.

The people who don't want A&G because of the non-baseball stuff are going to eject on this product whether there's a little or a lot of the non-sport stuff. So put back in the retired players. Add in as many different sports as possible. Add as many non-sport cards as possible. Do SP. Do SSP. Go nuts. Looking at the checklist this year, it seems like they simply try hard enough.

I'd be interested in an all-baseball product in this design, and if it were completely oddball, I'd also be interested. In this mutated form, though.....nah.

kyle1707 · 07-30-2015, 09:35 PM

I love ginter.. Will always collect it...

It's all sports cards... It's brutal...

Average ROI on any product is probably 30-40%

By far not just ginter....

Hess687 · 07-30-2015, 09:38 PM

Okay so I was planning on buying a box of Ginter tomorrow....if not Ginter then what? I am looking to spend no more than $100.

markinca · 07-30-2015, 09:38 PM

I love ginter. Always have, since I first started collecting it in 2008.

But this year sucks.

The only new thing this year are the buybacks, which as many have mentioned are the most worthless 'inserts' I've ever seen. You take a 10c common and stick a /10 stamp on it and now it's worth something? Huh?

Plus this year's auto/relic checklist is pretty weak.

So no new stuff + worthless inserts + bad checklist + $100/box = no buy for me for the first time in 7 years.

chezball · 07-30-2015, 09:41 PM

Haven't gone near this stuff in years,Goodwin over A&G all day long.

vwnut13 · 07-30-2015, 09:42 PM

Get rid of the Full Size Relics.

The mini framed are what makes A&G cool.

andyzk3 · 07-30-2015, 10:13 PM

It sounds like your main gripe is profitability. This product truly epitomizes the idea that you have to "catch and release" within a week of its debut to really profit. I love this product, don't get me wrong. I just didn't really get the appeal of a buyback card from a card released LAST YEAR!!! I would like a David Cross auto, but that's about it. I may get some retail. Who knows....

07-30-2015, 08:49 PM	#1
gottagitdemjs Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5,949 tigerwoods3423	I'm gonna go ahead and say it....Allen & Ginter is a terrible product It's $100 per box and 2-3 weeks after release, it is nearly worthless. The chances of breaking even on a case are VERY VERY slim...especially this year. The SP's....if you can call them that....are worth no more than the base cards. I thought Topps was starting to finally get it with the awesome SP's that they put in Heritage and Archives, but no..."we'll slap some more sports writer t-shirt cards in Ginter and hope our customers are cool when they get 3 tshirt cards in a box and no autos." Good job Topps. You suckered in a bunch of people again. (You got me for the last time) I know the set builders will probably come in and try to defend it, but before you do so, take a look at your sets from past years in your closets that are now more valuable as toilet paper/fire wood than on the secondary sports card market. Ok....that's my opinion on Ginter....go ahead and discuss. __________________ Things I need to happen in order to die happy: KU wins a NCAA Championship....CHECK...TWICE! The Royals win a World Series.....CHECK The Chiefs win a Super Bowl.......FINALLY!!!...3X!!! BACK TO BACK!!!

07-30-2015, 08:52 PM	#3
nera20 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 35,253	Yeah the cards are pretty ugly this year, I usually try one box cant even bring myself to do that this year __________________ USA SHIPPING ONLY

07-30-2015, 08:54 PM	#4
Firerunner4 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 12,981 RunningDad310 dppolice4	Horrifically ugly, woof __________________ Team PC - Pittsburgh Pirates Player PC - Cory Spangenberg - Josh Harrison

07-30-2015, 08:56 PM	#5
gottagitdemjs Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5,949 tigerwoods3423	And I should clarify....I think it has it's merits as a product. The framed mini's and rip cards are extremely cool cards. The variations are neat, but it has gotten so scatterbrained (for lack of a better word). Topps needs to really reel this product back in next year.....more baseball....less non-sports. And for God's sake at $100, include an auto in each box....either that or lower the damn price. __________________ Things I need to happen in order to die happy: KU wins a NCAA Championship....CHECK...TWICE! The Royals win a World Series.....CHECK The Chiefs win a Super Bowl.......FINALLY!!!...3X!!! BACK TO BACK!!!

07-30-2015, 09:10 PM	#13
petillo64 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Redwood City, CA Posts: 1,186 Rtard650 Petillo64	I think bowman and ginter gurgle donkey balls. The final straws for me were: 1.) bowman going ape-crap with parallels. 18 different paper, 14 different chrome... Bubbles, wave, static... 2.) buying 10 copies of previous years' worthless a+g autos/base, and then stamping 1/10 on it to make the poor sap who pulled the Drew Stubbs mini framed auto /10 all warm and fuzzy inside. These aren't buybacks from 30 years ago, or even iconic cards. They are the same exact junk cards that lose money for sellers on comc or get stuck in $1-2 per auto threads in b/s/t... They are really good at exploiting hobby trends and running good things into the ground Last edited by petillo64; 07-30-2015 at 09:12 PM.

07-30-2015, 08:50 PM	#2
EB31 Banned Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,314	I'll second that. Couldn't stand it or see the appeal since it's first release.

07-30-2015, 08:57 PM	#6
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,429	You can collect money, or you can collect baseball cards.

07-30-2015, 08:58 PM	#7
HYPTZEMDSTRPLES Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,850	I won't rip anymore either.Only singles for me.

07-30-2015, 08:59 PM	#8
metsandweezer Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 13,103 Cascardo4	I love Ginter, I hate Bowman.

07-30-2015, 09:01 PM	#9
ArsonCuff Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,456 arsoncuff	I liked 2010 Ginter, but that was only because I wanted Buster Posey Rcs....aside from then, it has always been a waste of money in terms of box buying for me. However, I don't dislike the concept of the set itself in general, though could use more interesting subjects. This year to me seems like there was an extra dose of new to the hobby people box and case breaking it for some reason.

07-30-2015, 09:02 PM	#10
jam92102 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,643	I collect ginter for the non sports and oddball stuff (except for the couple years they had guys I collect). Resell value is there but usually lasts longer it seems then it has with this release. I opened 8 boxes. I opened them for the fun and possible hits, not to make any money back on them. I made a couple hundred and that was just a bonus. I told myself next year I'll just use the money to buy the singles I want and get ahead but I know I'm lying to myself. I think it's just one of those products you love or hate. It's definitely not something you're going to make money on unless your first on the market or hit something everybody wants.

07-30-2015, 09:03 PM	#11
FunnyBoxBreak20 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Towson, MD Posts: 3,802	I used to love ginter. I mean last year i went to my LCS and bought 2 boxes, got hook, and ended up buying a case and a half. didn't care that i spent 1400 and got a return of $350, A top loader mike trout auto and one rip card that i shouldnt have ripped were the onlt cards i got over $5 for.

07-30-2015, 09:04 PM	#12
exitmusicblue Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 14,027	Ginter need not appeal to breakers of traditional products because it has a vast audience... and dissers typically haven't hit huge bizarro treasures. Easy to get hooked once you do, the experience is unlike anything else. Most breakers are not fixated on returns, either. For that there's Bowman Chrome. Still haven't ripped a 2015 box yet but looking forward to it. I don't care if I lose on it, and strangely enough Ginter has been my most profitable product rip to date. A case would be a stretch for me, though.

07-30-2015, 09:27 PM	#16
NobodysXHero Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 483 newbiejustin justinwilliams140	I love A&G but I have zero intent on reselling.

07-30-2015, 09:30 PM	#17
Giancarlo27 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 11,169	this year's ginter is absolute unadulterated crap, and thats without mentioning the fact that it isn't even actually the "10th anniversary." __________________ Collecting: Giancarlo Stanton, Sandy Koufax, Hideki Matsui, Topps Archives Autographs

07-30-2015, 09:35 PM	#19
Technochocolate Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: IL Posts: 3,716	I think they either need more or less oddball stuff. Right now it's mostly a baseball product with just enough of the non-sport stuff. The people who don't want A&G because of the non-baseball stuff are going to eject on this product whether there's a little or a lot of the non-sport stuff. So put back in the retired players. Add in as many different sports as possible. Add as many non-sport cards as possible. Do SP. Do SSP. Go nuts. Looking at the checklist this year, it seems like they simply try hard enough. I'd be interested in an all-baseball product in this design, and if it were completely oddball, I'd also be interested. In this mutated form, though.....nah.

07-30-2015, 09:35 PM	#20
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,407	I love ginter.. Will always collect it... It's all sports cards... It's brutal... Average ROI on any product is probably 30-40% By far not just ginter....

07-30-2015, 09:38 PM	#21
Hess687 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Indiana Posts: 4,719 hess687	Okay so I was planning on buying a box of Ginter tomorrow....if not Ginter then what? I am looking to spend no more than $100.

07-30-2015, 09:38 PM	#22
markinca Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,936 MarkInCA	I love ginter. Always have, since I first started collecting it in 2008. But this year sucks. The only new thing this year are the buybacks, which as many have mentioned are the most worthless 'inserts' I've ever seen. You take a 10c common and stick a /10 stamp on it and now it's worth something? Huh? Plus this year's auto/relic checklist is pretty weak. So no new stuff + worthless inserts + bad checklist + $100/box = no buy for me for the first time in 7 years.

07-30-2015, 09:41 PM	#23
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,678 jabber	Haven't gone near this stuff in years,Goodwin over A&G all day long.

07-30-2015, 09:42 PM	#24
vwnut13 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vermont Posts: 6,113	Get rid of the Full Size Relics. The mini framed are what makes A&G cool.

07-30-2015, 10:13 PM	#25
andyzk3 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,348 Silverking5820	It sounds like your main gripe is profitability. This product truly epitomizes the idea that you have to "catch and release" within a week of its debut to really profit. I love this product, don't get me wrong. I just didn't really get the appeal of a buyback card from a card released LAST YEAR!!! I would like a David Cross auto, but that's about it. I may get some retail. Who knows.... __________________ Looking for 2011-12 Past and Present Elusive Ink Autos!! Set Progress: 17/65 (26.1%)