Does our fellow member deserve a negative

[rookiehunter11]

I posted some cards for sale earlier today, I got a pm from a fellow member asking me for my lowest price on the card. After I gave him a lower price he countered with $5 below my lowest. I agreed and sent him my pp info. He is no longer responding to my messages.
Is this something he should get a negative feedback for?

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[Nyfancam01]

if YOU accepted HIS offer... yes.

[jkl165116]

It is friday night.. Maybe hes out

[ClutchCity]

How much time has elapsed? It sounds like you haven't even given him a few hours to respond. I'd say at least 24hrs to respond is appropriate unless you made it clear the payment or communication was needed promptly.

[Nyfancam01]

wait, yea,. this is true ^^^^

i'd wait a bit. atleast a day or two.

i am a bit sleepy so didn't even think about the fact the "Deal" was made TODAY lol.

if he's been online posting away... that's a different story..

[rookiehunter11]

It's been 12 hours.

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[drobfan8]

It would be harsh but fair.

Definitely give him another day to come good.

[hairyangryfella]

Seems way too soon. Give him at least a day or two.

[kyleuk21]

Good grief, give the guy a couple days. Life doesn't revolve around this stuff. I'm not even sure I'd give the guy a negative. I guess I'd lean toward only giving a negative if payment has been made and something happens afterward. It can be annoying but i don't consider a deal to be official until payment has already been made. I think you're overreacting.

[pingbling23]

Good grief, give the guy a couple days. Life doesn't revolve around this stuff. I'm not even sure I'd give the guy a negative. I guess I'd lean toward only giving a negative if payment has been made and something happens afterward. It can be annoying but i don't consider a deal to be official until payment has already been made. I think you're overreacting.

depends. the buyer was messaging back and forth lowballing and then goes silent after pp info is sent? what kind of timeframe are we talking about from when they were actively messaging, to when the offer was accepted and pp info was sent. i would give a day or two also but when someone offers a price and its accepted, thats an agreed upon deal. if a party backs out its neg worthy per forum rules.

[threepointplay]

Definitely not a negative feedback after only 12 hours and no payment having been made. Real life can easily get in the way.

To name but three:

- he may have lost internet or telephone access (I for one have lost internet through ISP issues or electricity company failure on more than one occasion in the last 12 months).
- work issues or family issues.
- timezone issues [I am seven hours ahead of the USA] and often have to sleep in the midst of late night PMs

I would assert it would be VERY harsh and rather unfair to leave a negative at this stage of a transaction. I personally would not want to be the seller that jumps all over a buyer so soon.

[kyleuk21]

depends. the buyer was messaging back and forth lowballing and then goes silent after pp info is sent? what kind of timeframe are we talking about from when they were actively messaging, to when the offer was accepted and pp info was sent. i would give a day or two also but when someone offers a price and its accepted, thats an agreed upon deal. if a party backs out its neg worthy per forum rules.

Offering a lower price than posted and "low balling" are two different things. Obviously the price was set too high if the op decided to accept the lower offer.

Also, it sounds like the seller sent PayPal info without the seller asking for it. Technically, the buyer should ask for it in my opinion. The rules do show two slightly differing views but that's my take on it.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/460531-transaction-feedback-guide-when-appropriate-leave-negative.html

I know it's a formality, but in the time it took for the seller to respond, the buyer could've found a better deal or simply changed his mind which isn't necessarily against the rules. according to how Houdini worded them. When the buyer requests PayPal info that indicates they are ready to pay. (I'd argue any one else is free to offer and pay for the card in the meantime though) Until then, nothing is official in my opinion. Slower and annoying? Yes. Worthy of a negative? No.

[rookiehunter11]

depends. the buyer was messaging back and forth lowballing and then goes silent after pp info is sent? what kind of timeframe are we talking about from when they were actively messaging, to when the offer was accepted and pp info was sent. i would give a day or two also but when someone offers a price and its accepted, thats an agreed upon deal. if a party backs out its neg worthy per forum rules.
That's what I was thinking. I would be happy to give him more time if he would just tell me to wait but I'm not getting any response at all.

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[rookiehunter11]

Offering a lower price than posted and "low balling" are two different things. Obviously the price was set too high if the op decided to accept the lower offer.

Also, it sounds like the seller sent PayPal info without the seller asking for it. Technically, the buyer should ask for it in my opinion. The rules do show two slightly differing views but that's my take on it.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/460531-transaction-feedback-guide-when-appropriate-leave-negative.html

I know it's a formality, but in the time it took for the seller to respond, the buyer could've found a better deal or simply changed his mind which isn't necessarily against the rules. according to how Houdini worded the rules. When the buyer should requests PayPal info as that indicates they are ready to pay. (If argue any one else is free to offer and pay for the card in the meantime though) Until then, nothing is official in my opinion. Annoying? Yes. Worthy of a negative? No.
Good point, this is exactly why I posted this. I have never left a negative and wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing. I was also wondering if this was something this so called "buyer" does often, maybe this stuff is OK by this forum. I just simply did not know. Thanks for your input everyone, I'll just leave it alone.

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[kyleuk21]

Good point, this is exactly why I posted this. I have never left a negative and wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing. I was also wondering if this was something this so called "buyer" does often, maybe this stuff is OK by this forum. I just simply did not know. Thanks for your input everyone, I'll just leave it alone.

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Technically, u could leave a negative if u so chose if the deal never happens. And it would also be ok not to leave any feedback. Really up to you and your personality since both views are acknowledged in the rules.

Anyway, good luck selling! Hopefully the guy just got busy and gets back with u soon :)

[rookiehunter11]

That's what I was thinking. I would be happy to give him more time if he would just tell me to wait but I'm not getting any response at all.

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And my response was immediate, we were messaging back and forth and made this deal all in 2 minutes total. Then he stopped replying. Maybe he did have remorse I'm just used to communicating immediately and paying immediately. It doesn't take a New York minute to simply reply "can you give me a day or so to pay" or whatever the issue is but that's just me. Maybe he's just a kid making offers without having funds. Idk

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[bmf]

It's been 12 hours.

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:doh: :doh: :doh:

[bdoody42]

I posted some cards for sale earlier today, I got a pm from a fellow member asking me for my lowest price on the card. After I gave him a lower price he countered with $5 below my lowest. I agreed and sent him my pp info. He is no longer responding to my messages.
Is this something he should get a negative feedback for?

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Please show some type of patience and I believe this will work out.

[JMys55]

I think every deal should be given at least 48 hours to finalize. EBay allows 4 days to pay after sale before you can even open a case.

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[the27guy]

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

[JMys55]

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.
He's the seller in this case, not the buyer. He is awaiting payment.

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[the27guy]

He's the seller in this case, not the buyer. He is awaiting payment.

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Exactly. If I'm either party, I don't leave feedback unless payment is delivered. Again, I realize I'm probably in the minority here.

[ClutchCity]

a) This is your sale thread. (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball-singles-buy-sell-trade/999799-raptors-cards-sale.html) You specifically say "**Feel free to make offers**". Seems like the guy made you an offer, so i'm not sure why you're trying to use his offering you a lower price against him as part of your negative. as pointed out earlier, you did agree to the lower price...

b) you say things like "I was also wondering if this was something this so called "buyer" does often, maybe this stuff is OK by this forum" and "Maybe he's just a kid making offers without having funds. Idk".
The itrader review is a pretty easy way to make an educated guess on how established and reliable a person is on this forum. unless this person is new or has little transactions, you should be able to answer your own questions about this guy's history via his same itrader that you are thinking of negging. even if they are new, the fact they have an account on this forum usually means they're into the hobby and not here to make fake offers.

c) Even if the guy disappears on you, you still have your card and can sell it for whatever you want. there are much worse outcomes than your worst possible outcome at this point. Like most people are saying, just have some patience and give this guy a chance. maybe he's flying home for mother's day and actually wanted to spend time with family instead of being on blowout. There are plenty more likely scenarios than some bored #@#@#@#@#@#@#@ trying to waste your time.

d) Next time if you feel the need to make a thread asking to neg a person after only 12 hours of not hearing from them, you should do so in the appropriate forum section which would be here: Member Sales/Trade Feedback - Blowout Cards Forums (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/)

e) i hope it all works out in the end. now i'm curious about the buyer's side of the story...

[glen87]

Technically, u could leave a negative if u so chose if the deal never happens. And it would also be ok not to leave any feedback. Really up to you and your personality since both views are acknowledged in the rules.

Anyway, good luck selling! Hopefully the guy just got busy and gets back with u soon :)

if no deal is made AFTER PP information sent, why do you think it is ok to not leave any FB???
this will not alert other members about this buyer who does not follow through after making offers.

I think every deal should be given at least 48 hours to finalize. EBay allows 4 days to pay after sale before you can even open a case.

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incorrect - 2 days to open a case

Exactly. If I'm either party, I don't leave feedback unless payment is delivered. Again, I realize I'm probably in the minority here.

so if you are selling something, someone commits to buy, you give them you payment info, and they do not pay, you will NOT leave them negative FB???

[kyleuk21]

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

This^^^^^

[tristan20]

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

Exactly, got to have thicker skin when trading and selling or you will be eaten in the real world.

[rookiehunter11]

So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it.

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[No1CavsFan]

I think our fellow member deserves a Kyle Singler RC auto.

[hairyangryfella]

So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it.

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That's a real douchey way of looking at it. Not everyone spends 24/7 on here. Has he logged on since your acceptance?
If so, give him a deadline to confirm, then if no response maybe look at some form of feedback.

[mcgahee21nfl]

So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it.

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Why not? What if when the person accepts your offer you no longer want the card? No deal until payment is finalized. Unless this is being heavily abused its a non issue.

[moose84]

Send him a PM giving him a deadline, if he comes on and doesnt pay by the deadline then find another suitor. Not the end of the world.

[thor_rider08]

I only consider giving bst feedback when items or monies have exchanged hands.
If you are going to neg this guy (your prerogative) then you are going to be giving negative feedback to many more people in the future.

[JMys55]

if no deal is made AFTER PP information sent, why do you think it is ok to not leave any FB???
this will not alert other members about this buyer who does not follow through after making offers.



incorrect - 2 days to open a case



so if you are selling something, someone commits to buy, you give them you payment info, and they do not pay, you will NOT leave them negative FB???
Ah I see it reads, for eBay 2 days to open case and then the buyer has 4 days to pay, making it actually 6 total days before the deal is off with a strike.

I am like ThatGuy27 that I don't leave negative if the money doesn't transfer between parties. No one suffered any losses and IMO no deal is really binding until there is money transfer.



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[rookiehunter11]

Send him a PM giving him a deadline, if he comes on and doesnt pay by the deadline then find another suitor. Not the end of the world.
I sent him one asking if he would like to cancel, but no response.

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[Hoopdreams69]

i think the OP is over reacting and is upset about not selling his card

Boohoo make a whole thread to cry about it

[theacox]

i think the OP is over reacting and is upset about not selling his card

Boohoo make a whole thread to cry about it

Yes. OP, have a tiny amount of patience. Did you note that you needed immediate payment in your sale thread? I don't see it. Calm down.

[pingbling23]

It's kinda funny the difference in this thread and what a similar thread in the member feedback section would look like. If you give an offer and its accepted, it's a done deal imo. I guess some are ok with playing games on here.

[duron]

I sent him one asking if he would like to cancel, but no response.

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But has he logged on since your last exchange?

[eastbayak]

Patience is a virtue

[Rip67vdub]

Patience is a virtue

This ^^^^^^. Going forward, call it out in your sales thread that payment is due within <fill in the timeframe> after deal has been agreed upon. People do have lives you know outside the hobby.

[Mires]

Exactly. If I'm either party, I don't leave feedback unless payment is delivered. Again, I realize I'm probably in the minority here.

I wouldn't think this line of thinking is even debatable, but I guess I'm wrong. lol

[seabass97166]

Seems very petty to leave a negative. Just sell the card to somebody else and move on

[glen87]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/460531-transaction-feedback-guide-when-appropriate-leave-negative.html

Feedback is very important to the life of a large B/S/T forum. Forums generally start pretty small where nearly every member knows each other. As communities grow, a method for tracking trading experiences is needed.

No feedback is really just a cop out. Sometimes, though, when a trade goes well but you just cannot recommend a trader due to intangibles (attitude, personality conflict, etc), then you may choose to withhold that positive feedback. I do not approve of this option usually, but it is your right to do so.

When is a deal finalized?

There are differing opinions here. I will post my thoughts and then add another view below.

A deal is only finalized when both parties agree and payment details are set.

If you are negotiating and the other party decides to deal with someone else, suck it up. You had no deal.

If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens.

I post a sale thread and you post "I will take it." That is still not a deal until I respond. Someone else may have sent a PM first.

I send you an offer, you reply with an acceptance, I reply with my paypal information... now we have a deal.

HINT: Always include when you are going to pay and when/how you are going to ship. If something changes, communicate! Most deals go bad due to poor communication.

A differing view:

Once a buyer says "I will take it, send me your paypal info" then there is a deal in place. If the buyer never pays, they have failed to live up to their part of the deal.


either way a deal was made. proper FB is warranted to let others know this person did not pay.

[Stifle]

Isn't it Mother's Day weekend ? I don't go online everyday and even if I were to buy or sell I attempt to prioritize my life with what is vital. As much as I enjoy this hobby and communicating with others who have the same passion, it's something I would wait till Monday to deal with. Who knows if his internet service is working? Canada has a fire sweeping out a MAJOR chunk of people's homes and livelyhoods. By leaving a feedback at this time is like hitting that send button that "Grimes" wife sent some months ago. Is it worth the confrontation. I leave a phone number and if anyone has any issues call or text. It does work.
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[theacox]

I agree that there is a deal in place. My issue was the amount of time (or lack) that the OP waited before making this thread.

[IronMonkey415]

Now 41%................ because I just posted.

SELF PUTDOWN!!!!!

[duron]

So basically OP still hasn't given key info - whether or not the potential buyer has even logged on since he accepted his offer - even though he was asked multiple times. Does have the time to call people dumb, though. In op's words, "got it."

Half the fun of blowout is right here in this thread, and it's got nothing to do with cards.

[mcgahee21nfl]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/460531-transaction-feedback-guide-when-appropriate-leave-negative.html



either way a deal was made. proper FB is warranted to let others know this person did not pay.

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand but this (what you quoted) is not what happened:
"Once a buyer says "I will take it, send me your paypal info" then there is a deal in place. If the buyer never pays, they have failed to live up to their part of the deal."

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The above scenario, is one where the SELLER names a price, the BUYER accepts and asks for the information to pay.

In THIS scenario, the buyer MADE an offer, and the SELLER accepted and sent his information.

In the first scenario, the one outlined in the post you referenced as if it were the case here, this is NO EXCUSE for the buyer to not pay. They have AGREED to the price at that point, and would simply be waiting on the sellers information to pay. The deal is so to speak finalized by the buyer when they "accept". The inverse to this would be if the buyer makes and offer and the seller accepts, and sends PayPal info, the SELLER has no excuse to back out of the deal as they've accepted. The buyer however may have moved on by that point.

All of what I've written above is explained and outlined in that same post in wording that you didn't highlight in red:
"If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens."

^ Seller makes offer to buyer, buyer responds that he will take it... It is not finalized. You need to have the OFFER + ACCEPTANCE (on either side) + ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

"I send you an offer, you reply with an acceptance, I reply with my paypal information... now we have a deal."

This is very very very simple.

[mcgahee21nfl]

So basically OP still hasn't given key info - whether or not the potential buyer has even logged on since he accepted his offer - even though he was asked multiple times. Does have the time to call people dumb, though. In op's words, "got it."

Half the fun of blowout is right here in this thread, and it's got nothing to do with cards.

It doesn't even matter though. glen87 just showed the outline for what constitutes a deal being made here, and it is clear there is no deal in place. Neg would be unwarranted.

I find it ironic that the OP has 4 positives on here but has left no feedbacks.

Sigh.

[shrevecity]

It seems to me a deal was in place, (op accepted his lower offer and sent payment info), unless there was a caveat we have not been informed of, but the time frame is way to early it had only been 12 hours since and it is a weekend. So a neg would be justified if he never pays, but I say at least wait until Monday then send a reminder then if nothing by Wednesday do what you want.

Even showing to be logged in is not always an indicator the person is online.

[mcgahee21nfl]

"If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens."

Buyer sent an offer to the seller... It is not a deal once the seller responds... Buyer could've spent his money elsewhere... Very simple...

[pingbling23]

It doesn't even matter though. glen87 just showed the outline for what constitutes a deal being made here, and it is clear there is no deal in place. Neg would be unwarranted.

I find it ironic that the OP has 4 positives on here but has left no feedbacks.

Sigh.

From what he posted, a deal was in place. If you have a card for sell for 10, I offer 5 and you then say ok and send PayPal info that's a deal. This bs about backing out if you bought another card shouldn't fly. Don't make an offer unless you are 100% going to buy if the offer is accepted. I agree it's to soon to leave a neg but if the buyer backs out, a neg is worthy.

[shrevecity]

From what he posted, a deal was in place. If you have a card for sell for 10, I offer 5 and you then say ok and send PayPal info that's a deal. This bs about backing out if you bought another card shouldn't fly. Don't make an offer unless you are 100% going to buy if the offer is accepted. I agree it's to soon to leave a neg but if the buyer backs out, a net is worthy.

I see it as a deal as well. On Ebay this would be a deal.

Buyer makes offer, seller counters, buyer then counters, seller accepts. The buyer does not have to now agree to his own offer, he already did with his counter.. He is locked into the item, why should it be different? Now if it took more than 24 hours or so for the seller to respond I might see some leniency, but even Ebay allows 48 hours.

If the time frame was within 48 hours the buyer should have contacted the seller alerting him he was not interested in it. Just like Ebay allows buyers to cancel their offers.

Last week I had a buyer make a best offer on an item then go ahead and buy the item at my price while the offer was still open. Since it was a multi-item listing had I accepted his offer he would have been responsible for paying for both items. He messaged me beforehand though so I did not accept his offer.

[mcgahee21nfl]

From what he posted, a deal was in place. If you have a card for sell for 10, I offer 5 and you then say ok and send PayPal info that's a deal. This bs about backing out if you bought another card shouldn't fly. Don't make an offer unless you are 100% going to buy if the offer is accepted. I agree it's to soon to leave a neg but if the buyer backs out, a net is worthy.

If I have a card for sale for $10.00, and you offer me $5.00, and I respond to you with my PayPal information, and you respond back.. "Hey, sorry I spent the money elsewhere", I will respond back "Okay no problem".

I've had this situation happen tens if not hundreds of times dealing online.

You say: Don't make an offer unless you are 100% going to buy if the offer is accepted.

That stance sounds a bit ridiculous imho. It is also in direct opposition with what the rule for the site says, too. Just for future reference, do you apply this to sellers too? "Don't make an offer to a buyer unless you are 100% going to sell to them if they accept"? It is pretty clear, that deals are NOT in place until the person who MAKES THE OFFER recognizes that the OFFER has been accepted. Whether this is the buyer offering to the seller and then recognizing and reconfirming in some manner that the seller has accepted his/her offer, or the seller making an offer to which the buyer accepts and the seller recognizes that the buyer has accepted their offer.

[shrevecity]

That stance sounds a bit ridiculous imho. It is also in direct opposition with what the rule for the site says, too. Just for future reference, do you apply this to sellers too? "Don't make an offer to a buyer unless you are 100% going to sell to them if they accept"? It is pretty clear, that deals are NOT in place until the person who MAKES THE OFFER recognizes that the OFFER has been accepted. Whether this is the buyer offering to the seller and then recognizing and reconfirming in some manner that the seller has accepted his/her offer, or the seller making an offer to which the buyer accepts and the seller recognizes that the buyer has accepted their offer.

In this scenario if the seller is making a counter offer then then yes he should be obligated to sell if the buyer responds with I will take it.

Now if it was just posted in a thread and the buyer says I will take it, the seller needs to acknowledge it, because he may have other who want it or simply does not want to sell to that buyer.

[Sutantoj]

Happy Mother's Day

[rookiehunter11]

But has he logged on since your last exchange?
He has been posting looking for cards of which he offered on in my thread in other threads. So yes he posted yesterday.

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[Stifle]

Did both sides post phone numbers ? If communication is a issue then what part did each play in completing the transaction. I try to man up to my word therefore I make it crystal that if there is a discrepancy in the transaction then communicate with me.
Had a friend who complained that his girlfriend became pregnant with his child. What type of protection did you use I asked and he said she was on the pill. Don't be afraid to do more than just enough in a transaction. Communication is what makes this site and hobby Great! Wear the condom "post a phone number".
Doug
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[mcgahee21nfl]

Did both sides post phone numbers ? If communication is a issue then what part did each play in completing the transaction. I try to man up to my word therefore I make it crystal that if there is a discrepancy in the transaction then communicate with me.
Had a friend who complained that his girlfriend became pregnant with his child. What type of protection did you use I asked and he said she was on the pill. Don't be afraid to do more than just enough in a transaction. Communication is what makes this site and hobby Great! Wear the condom "post a phone number".
Doug
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lolllahahahahaha

[rookiehunter11]

So basically OP still hasn't given key info - whether or not the potential buyer has even logged on since he accepted his offer - even though he was asked multiple times. Does have the time to call people dumb, though. In op's words, "got it."

Half the fun of blowout is right here in this thread, and it's got nothing to do with cards.
He replied to a couple of threads yesterday. I'm still new, so it takes me a while to explore and figure out if he has logged on.

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[shrevecity]

Did both sides post phone numbers ? If communication is a issue then what part did each play in completing the transaction. I try to man up to my word therefore I make it crystal that if there is a discrepancy in the transaction then communicate with me.
Had a friend who complained that his girlfriend became pregnant with his child. What type of protection did you use I asked and he said she was on the pill. Don't be afraid to do more than just enough in a transaction. Communication is what makes this site and hobby Great! Wear the condom "post a phone number".
Doug
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That seems to be more like asking to catch an STD. Talk about a telemarketers wet dream.

[rookiehunter11]

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand but this (what you quoted) is not what happened:
"Once a buyer says "I will take it, send me your paypal info" then there is a deal in place. If the buyer never pays, they have failed to live up to their part of the deal."

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The above scenario, is one where the SELLER names a price, the BUYER accepts and asks for the information to pay.

In THIS scenario, the buyer MADE an offer, and the SELLER accepted and sent his information.

In the first scenario, the one outlined in the post you referenced as if it were the case here, this is NO EXCUSE for the buyer to not pay. They have AGREED to the price at that point, and would simply be waiting on the sellers information to pay. The deal is so to speak finalized by the buyer when they "accept". The inverse to this would be if the buyer makes and offer and the seller accepts, and sends PayPal info, the SELLER has no excuse to back out of the deal as they've accepted. The buyer however may have moved on by that point.

All of what I've written above is explained and outlined in that same post in wording that you didn't highlight in red:
"If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens."

^ Seller makes offer to buyer, buyer responds that he will take it... It is not finalized. You need to have the OFFER + ACCEPTANCE (on either side) + ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

"I send you an offer, you reply with an acceptance, I reply with my paypal information... now we have a deal."

This is very very very simple.
Than you mcgahee. I think your one of the few that read it correctly.

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[rookiehunter11]

"If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens."

Buyer sent an offer to the seller... It is not a deal once the seller responds... Buyer could've spent his money elsewhere... Very simple...
Just for the record my response was immediate. It zero minutes lol.

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[rookiehunter11]

This thread is now closed! Back to cooking for the moms out there. Again this thread is now closed. I will simply not do sell to him or any one who thinks not replying after I accept an offer is not considered a deal. Thank you all for your input it is very much appreciate, well most at least. Lol

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[tjforce]

This thread is now closed! Back to cooking for the moms out there. Again this thread is now closed. I will simply not do sell to him or any one who thinks not replying after I accept an offer is not considered a deal. Thank you all for your input it is very much appreciate, well most at least. Lol

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Sooooo.... did you leave a neg or not?

[rookiehunter11]

Sooooo.... did you leave a neg or not?
No. I will simply not deal with him.

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[IronMonkey415]

What food you cooking?

[hairyangryfella]

He replied to a couple of threads yesterday. I'm still new, so it takes me a while to explore and figure out if he has logged on.

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You're still new but can call 40% of people who gave advice you asked for a foul name. You'll do well here...

[thecomebacker]

Post the guy's username please. I'd like to avoid dealing with people who don't man up to their words too. Thanks.

[Panthersfans]

You made the right call, no need to leave a negative but make a mental note and never deal with him again.

[drobfan8]

From what he posted, a deal was in place. If you have a card for sell for 10, I offer 5 and you then say ok and send PayPal info that's a deal. This bs about backing out if you bought another card shouldn't fly. Don't make an offer unless you are 100% going to buy if the offer is accepted. I agree it's to soon to leave a neg but if the buyer backs out, a neg is worthy.

I completely agree with this.

Any time someone puts in an offer and it is agreed to and returned with PP info, that is a deal, on this site anyway.

Another way to clear up any confusion is to just have deal threads like other sites do have.

[BGT Masters]

Deal was in place. Buyer stops responding but posts elsewhere. Negative. Very simple. I don't care what anyone says, if someone makes you an offer and in a timely manner you respond back accepting that offer. They are on the hook. If by chance they spent their money elsewhere it is then their responsibility to notify the person they made the offer to retracting the offer. If by the chance they haven't accepted the offer yet. If they already accepted your offer, the person making the offer is on the hook for the transaction.

This isn't ebay where you can make 100 offers, then cherry pick the best one you like after a bunch of people accepted your offers. The only people who think that way are just shady.

[glen87]

In THIS scenario, the buyer MADE an offer, and the SELLER accepted and sent his information.

and in what world is this not a deal?

[bdoody42]

Would be nice to see if blowout actually has a stance on this? To see if they have actual rules in regards to activity like this.

[SPauthentic84]

Happy Mother's Day

Still have the Pope picture? lol