Does our fellow member deserve a negative

[rookiehunter11]

I posted some cards for sale earlier today, I got a pm from a fellow member asking me for my lowest price on the card. After I gave him a lower price he countered with $5 below my lowest. I agreed and sent him my pp info. He is no longer responding to my messages.
Is this something he should get a negative feedback for?

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[Nyfancam01]

if YOU accepted HIS offer... yes.

[jkl165116]

It is friday night.. Maybe hes out

[ClutchCity]

How much time has elapsed? It sounds like you haven't even given him a few hours to respond. I'd say at least 24hrs to respond is appropriate unless you made it clear the payment or communication was needed promptly.

[Nyfancam01]

wait, yea,. this is true ^^^^

i'd wait a bit. atleast a day or two.

i am a bit sleepy so didn't even think about the fact the "Deal" was made TODAY lol.

if he's been online posting away... that's a different story..

[rookiehunter11]

It's been 12 hours.

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[drobfan8]

It would be harsh but fair.

Definitely give him another day to come good.

[hairyangryfella]

Seems way too soon. Give him at least a day or two.

[kyleuk21]

Good grief, give the guy a couple days. Life doesn't revolve around this stuff. I'm not even sure I'd give the guy a negative. I guess I'd lean toward only giving a negative if payment has been made and something happens afterward. It can be annoying but i don't consider a deal to be official until payment has already been made. I think you're overreacting.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Good grief, give the guy a couple days. Life doesn't revolve around this stuff. I'm not even sure I'd give the guy a negative. I guess I'd lean toward only giving a negative if payment has been made and something happens afterward. It can be annoying but i don't consider a deal to be official until payment has already been made. I think you're overreacting.

depends. the buyer was messaging back and forth lowballing and then goes silent after pp info is sent? what kind of timeframe are we talking about from when they were actively messaging, to when the offer was accepted and pp info was sent. i would give a day or two also but when someone offers a price and its accepted, thats an agreed upon deal. if a party backs out its neg worthy per forum rules.

[threepointplay]

Definitely not a negative feedback after only 12 hours and no payment having been made. Real life can easily get in the way.

To name but three:

- he may have lost internet or telephone access (I for one have lost internet through ISP issues or electricity company failure on more than one occasion in the last 12 months).
- work issues or family issues.
- timezone issues [I am seven hours ahead of the USA] and often have to sleep in the midst of late night PMs

I would assert it would be VERY harsh and rather unfair to leave a negative at this stage of a transaction. I personally would not want to be the seller that jumps all over a buyer so soon.

[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

depends. the buyer was messaging back and forth lowballing and then goes silent after pp info is sent? what kind of timeframe are we talking about from when they were actively messaging, to when the offer was accepted and pp info was sent. i would give a day or two also but when someone offers a price and its accepted, thats an agreed upon deal. if a party backs out its neg worthy per forum rules.

Offering a lower price than posted and "low balling" are two different things. Obviously the price was set too high if the op decided to accept the lower offer.

Also, it sounds like the seller sent PayPal info without the seller asking for it. Technically, the buyer should ask for it in my opinion. The rules do show two slightly differing views but that's my take on it.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...-negative.html

I know it's a formality, but in the time it took for the seller to respond, the buyer could've found a better deal or simply changed his mind which isn't necessarily against the rules. according to how Houdini worded them. When the buyer requests PayPal info that indicates they are ready to pay. (I'd argue any one else is free to offer and pay for the card in the meantime though) Until then, nothing is official in my opinion. Slower and annoying? Yes. Worthy of a negative? No.

[rookiehunter11]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

depends. the buyer was messaging back and forth lowballing and then goes silent after pp info is sent? what kind of timeframe are we talking about from when they were actively messaging, to when the offer was accepted and pp info was sent. i would give a day or two also but when someone offers a price and its accepted, thats an agreed upon deal. if a party backs out its neg worthy per forum rules.

That's what I was thinking. I would be happy to give him more time if he would just tell me to wait but I'm not getting any response at all.

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[rookiehunter11]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Offering a lower price than posted and "low balling" are two different things. Obviously the price was set too high if the op decided to accept the lower offer.

Also, it sounds like the seller sent PayPal info without the seller asking for it. Technically, the buyer should ask for it in my opinion. The rules do show two slightly differing views but that's my take on it.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...-negative.html

I know it's a formality, but in the time it took for the seller to respond, the buyer could've found a better deal or simply changed his mind which isn't necessarily against the rules. according to how Houdini worded the rules. When the buyer should requests PayPal info as that indicates they are ready to pay. (If argue any one else is free to offer and pay for the card in the meantime though) Until then, nothing is official in my opinion. Annoying? Yes. Worthy of a negative? No.

Good point, this is exactly why I posted this. I have never left a negative and wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing. I was also wondering if this was something this so called "buyer" does often, maybe this stuff is OK by this forum. I just simply did not know. Thanks for your input everyone, I'll just leave it alone.

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[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

Good point, this is exactly why I posted this. I have never left a negative and wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing. I was also wondering if this was something this so called "buyer" does often, maybe this stuff is OK by this forum. I just simply did not know. Thanks for your input everyone, I'll just leave it alone.

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Technically, u could leave a negative if u so chose if the deal never happens. And it would also be ok not to leave any feedback. Really up to you and your personality since both views are acknowledged in the rules.

Anyway, good luck selling! Hopefully the guy just got busy and gets back with u soon

[rookiehunter11]

Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

That's what I was thinking. I would be happy to give him more time if he would just tell me to wait but I'm not getting any response at all.

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And my response was immediate, we were messaging back and forth and made this deal all in 2 minutes total. Then he stopped replying. Maybe he did have remorse I'm just used to communicating immediately and paying immediately. It doesn't take a New York minute to simply reply "can you give me a day or so to pay" or whatever the issue is but that's just me. Maybe he's just a kid making offers without having funds. Idk

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[bmf]

Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

It's been 12 hours.

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[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

I posted some cards for sale earlier today, I got a pm from a fellow member asking me for my lowest price on the card. After I gave him a lower price he countered with $5 below my lowest. I agreed and sent him my pp info. He is no longer responding to my messages.
Is this something he should get a negative feedback for?

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Please show some type of patience and I believe this will work out.

[JMys55]

I think every deal should be given at least 48 hours to finalize. EBay allows 4 days to pay after sale before you can even open a case.

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[the27guy]

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

[JMys55]

Originally Posted by the27guy

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

He's the seller in this case, not the buyer. He is awaiting payment.

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[the27guy]

Originally Posted by JMys55

He's the seller in this case, not the buyer. He is awaiting payment.

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Exactly. If I'm either party, I don't leave feedback unless payment is delivered. Again, I realize I'm probably in the minority here.

[ClutchCity]

a) This is your sale thread. You specifically say "**Feel free to make offers**". Seems like the guy made you an offer, so i'm not sure why you're trying to use his offering you a lower price against him as part of your negative. as pointed out earlier, you did agree to the lower price...

b) you say things like "I was also wondering if this was something this so called "buyer" does often, maybe this stuff is OK by this forum" and "Maybe he's just a kid making offers without having funds. Idk".
The itrader review is a pretty easy way to make an educated guess on how established and reliable a person is on this forum. unless this person is new or has little transactions, you should be able to answer your own questions about this guy's history via his same itrader that you are thinking of negging. even if they are new, the fact they have an account on this forum usually means they're into the hobby and not here to make fake offers.

c) Even if the guy disappears on you, you still have your card and can sell it for whatever you want. there are much worse outcomes than your worst possible outcome at this point. Like most people are saying, just have some patience and give this guy a chance. maybe he's flying home for mother's day and actually wanted to spend time with family instead of being on blowout. There are plenty more likely scenarios than some bored #@#@#@#@#@#@#@ trying to waste your time.

d) Next time if you feel the need to make a thread asking to neg a person after only 12 hours of not hearing from them, you should do so in the appropriate forum section which would be here: Member Sales/Trade Feedback - Blowout Cards Forums

e) i hope it all works out in the end. now i'm curious about the buyer's side of the story...

[glen87]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Technically, u could leave a negative if u so chose if the deal never happens. And it would also be ok not to leave any feedback. Really up to you and your personality since both views are acknowledged in the rules.

Anyway, good luck selling! Hopefully the guy just got busy and gets back with u soon

if no deal is made AFTER PP information sent, why do you think it is ok to not leave any FB???
this will not alert other members about this buyer who does not follow through after making offers.

Originally Posted by JMys55

I think every deal should be given at least 48 hours to finalize. EBay allows 4 days to pay after sale before you can even open a case.

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incorrect - 2 days to open a case

Originally Posted by the27guy

Exactly. If I'm either party, I don't leave feedback unless payment is delivered. Again, I realize I'm probably in the minority here.

so if you are selling something, someone commits to buy, you give them you payment info, and they do not pay, you will NOT leave them negative FB???

[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by the27guy

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

This^^^^^