Dan Vogelbach traded to Mariners for Mike Montgomery [Archive]

metsandweezer

07-20-2016, 04:31 PM

Source confirms: #Cubs getting Montgomery from #Mariners for Vogelbach. First reported: @Kurkjian_ESPN, @JeffPassan.

Discuss.

awz50

07-20-2016, 04:33 PM

someone is gonna be pissed about there collection dipping in prices.

enbambam6986

07-20-2016, 04:33 PM

Call him up!

Homerun

07-20-2016, 04:37 PM

This deal makes sense for the Cubs with where they're at as a team, but I think they overpaid. They could've gotten more for Vogelbach.

bradical

07-20-2016, 04:38 PM

If history serves, Vogelbach will fizzle as a Mariner then be traded elsewhere where he becomes an All-Star.

Big

07-20-2016, 04:39 PM

This deal makes sense for the Cubs with where they're at as a team, but I think they overpaid. They could've gotten more for Vogelbach.

What makes you think they could have gotten more? He wasn't going to go to a NL team so that cut trade partners by half. They have been shopping him for a while with what seemed like not a lot of interest. They got exactly what they needed.

Ottomatic

07-20-2016, 04:41 PM

This deal makes sense for the Cubs with where they're at as a team, but I think they overpaid. They could've gotten more for Vogelbach.

Hard to say that, we don't know what his value was to MLB FO's. 1st base/DH only prospect with questionable power.

I think it's a good get for the Ms, but I also think that's a bad place for him.

enbambam6986

07-20-2016, 04:41 PM

Extremely patient power hitter, Mariner fans are going to love Vogelbach.

Homerun

07-20-2016, 04:42 PM

What makes you think they could have gotten more? He wasn't going to go to a NL team so that cut trade partners by half. They have been shopping him for a while with what seemed like not a lot of interest. They got exactly what they needed.

I thought the Cubs would've packaged him together with another prospect or two for Miller or Chapman. I guess the Yankees weren't interested.

Wolves4Life

07-20-2016, 04:43 PM

Montgomery a really good lefty under control til 2021 is probably what sold the Cubs.

Screamer

07-20-2016, 04:43 PM

CUBS CHOKED!

Montgomery is a nice asset and will help but they could have gotten so much more for Vogelbach

Mariners still stink

Wolves4Life

07-20-2016, 04:44 PM

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 31s31 seconds ago
In other words: #Mariners and #Cubs finalizing a trade that may ultimately include more players than Vogelbach and Montgomery.

preakness

07-20-2016, 04:45 PM

Laughed whenver I read suggesting they trade him
For champman
Heck, read one person suggest for chapman and Beltran

Read Andrew Miller for him

--- I don't sound so crazy now when I predicted Soler for Quackenbush

Ottomatic

07-20-2016, 04:45 PM

How do people assume the Cubs could have gotten so much more for a DH with a far from guaranteed bat?

Screamer

07-20-2016, 04:49 PM

How do people assume the Cubs could have gotten so much more for a DH with a far from guaranteed bat?

He's hit wherever he's been, brought the power with him, doesn't strike out as much as minor league power hitters do

Screamer

07-20-2016, 04:50 PM

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 31s31 seconds ago
In other words: #Mariners and #Cubs finalizing a trade that may ultimately include more players than Vogelbach and Montgomery.

THIS would make more sense

Big

07-20-2016, 04:50 PM

He's hit wherever he's been, brought the power with him, doesn't strike out

I think getting a power lefty under control is a pretty good get for a player who was never going to play for the Cubs.

tiger221166

07-20-2016, 04:51 PM

I love Vogelbach, but if it's a one-for-one (remains to be seen), I think it's perfectly rational for both sides. He wasn't likely to get time in Chicago absent injury, and being limited to 1B/DH hampers his trade value. Montgomery is versatile and has been dominant this year versus lefties, and he's controllable for five years.

--- I don't sound so crazy now when I predicted Soler for Quackenbush

Sorry man, that's still pretty crazy :)!

Ottomatic

07-20-2016, 04:53 PM

He's hit wherever he's been, brought the power with him, doesn't strike out as much as minor league power hitters do

This is his first year really showing power over a prolonged period. Has been around a 160 iso which is mediocre for a DH.

I still like this for the Mariners, I just don't think he's that valuable. Safeco is also a terrible fit for him.

metsandweezer

07-20-2016, 04:54 PM

Double A right-hander Paul Blackburn also heading from #Cubs to #Mariners.

PejaD

07-20-2016, 04:54 PM

At least Vogelbach made it to the AL.

Does this mean Adam Lind's days are numbered?

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 04:55 PM

Double A right-hander Paul Blackburn also heading from #Cubs to #Mariners.

I see a AAA Pitcher is going from SEA to CHC also, no name attached to it yet though

Screamer

07-20-2016, 04:59 PM

Double A right-hander Paul Blackburn also heading from #Cubs to #Mariners.

I see Triple A; Blackburn is in Double A and the Cubs would be absolutely stupid to part with Blackburn and Vogelbach for anything the Mariners think they can put together

Now if it's Pierce Johnson, that makes sense

Jaypers

07-20-2016, 04:59 PM

Best case, Edgar Martinez V. 2.

Kudos to Seattle. They did well even before Blackburn was announced.

enbambam6986

07-20-2016, 05:01 PM

Best case, Edgar Martinez V. 2.

Kudos to Seattle. They did well even before Blackburn was announced.

Best case...

http://www.cubby-blue.com/.a/6a00d83451fe4669e2016300a622ff970d-800wi

bryun

07-20-2016, 05:04 PM

Montgomery is decent as a starter... not so much as a reliever.

enbambam6986

07-20-2016, 05:05 PM

Damn. Rosenthal just called him Ryan Vogelbach lol

Learn his name!

exitmusicblue

07-20-2016, 05:07 PM

Mariners?? Almost as bad as my A's, but he'd be a big upgrade over Lind. Not a good team for prices... still, give the kid a chance at last.

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 05:08 PM

Mariners?? Almost as bad as my A's, but he'd be a big upgrade over Lind. Not a good team for prices... still, give the kid a chance at last.

Lind just hit the tying HR!! WOOOOO :flex:

Screamer

07-20-2016, 05:08 PM

There is no Mariners AAA pitcher worth anything

CUBS CHOKED

My-Coolectibles

07-20-2016, 05:08 PM

Damn. Rosenthal just called him Ryan Vogelbach lol

Learn his name!

Since we're the two biggest Vogelbach collectors on here, let's hope he does well.

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 05:10 PM

There is no Mariners AAA pitcher worth anything

CUBS CHOKED

The Mariners AAA pitchers are pretty thin if I recall, not much there. We've got everyone decent up and one guy (Sampson) who filled in for 2 starts is on the DL

CM Sports Memorabilia

07-20-2016, 05:12 PM

Billy Butler...errr Vogelbach for MM is a win for the Cubs!!!

OnTheAir

07-20-2016, 05:14 PM

There is no Mariners AAA pitcher worth anything

CUBS CHOKED

As a Mariners fan... I'm alright with the Cubs taking any of the AAA Starters

If anyone has a 2011 Chrome Vogelbach 9.5/10 they want to get rid of... pm me.

cubfanbudman79

07-20-2016, 05:18 PM

The Mariners AAA pitchers are pretty thin if I recall, not much there. We've got everyone decent up and one guy (Sampson) who filled in for 2 starts is on the DL

Cody Martin would be a decent return...about the only I see that's decent on the roster

dasiegel

07-20-2016, 05:21 PM

Wow Cubs goofed a little here. Mariners definitely win this deal.

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 05:22 PM

Cody Martin would be a decent return...about the only I see that's decent on the roster

yeah, I mean over the years all of our bigger names have moved up with Walker and Paxton, Sampson is on the DL. In the bigs we have Felix, Iwakuma, Miley, Walker, Paxton, Karns, Montgomery, and LeBlanc

Karns is in the Pen now and Monty was starting. With Walker hurt for a bit, that leaves us with

Felix
Kuma
Miley
Paxton
LeBlanc

Wolves4Life

07-20-2016, 05:23 PM

Until heard otherwise it's just 1 for 1.

cubfanbudman79

07-20-2016, 05:27 PM

Until heard otherwise it's just 1 for 1.

Reported that Blackburn is included, so it's more than 1 for 1

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 05:27 PM

Until heard otherwise it's just 1 for 1.

The talking heads are already settling at this

Monty
AAA Pitcher

for

Vogelbach
Blackburn

I don't think there is more than that, but we'll see. Supposedly Mariners aren't confirming anything until after the game, which just went into extras

fulltritty

07-20-2016, 05:33 PM

I thought the Cubs would've packaged him together with another prospect or two for Miller or Chapman. I guess the Yankees weren't interested.

Someone else stated in another thread that he is fat and we don't need him. :D

Wolves4Life

07-20-2016, 05:34 PM

@BNightengale: The Chicago #Cubs also are getting Triple-A pitcher Jordan Pries from the #Mariners in the deal.

Jaypers

07-20-2016, 05:37 PM

@BNightengale: The Chicago #Cubs also are getting Triple-A pitcher Jordan Pries from the #Mariners in the deal.

They had to pries him away.

Bad pun of the day.

IamRalpho

07-20-2016, 05:41 PM

Ive never seen a one dimensional prospect to overrated than Vogelbach. Dude doesnt even have massive power.

He got your a failed SP, reliever who isnt even a closer.

Every teams fans overrate their prospects but Vogelbach was the worst

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 05:42 PM

Screamer

07-20-2016, 05:46 PM

@BNightengale: The Chicago #Cubs also are getting Triple-A pitcher Jordan Pries from the #Mariners in the deal.

If this is true, then I'm just stunned to silence

a-train10

07-20-2016, 05:46 PM

Cubs got a quality LH RP for a player that would never crack the starting lineup barring any injury to Rizzo and Rizzo only. They are in win now mode. No it isn't as sexy as Miller or Chapman would have been, but Vogelbach wasn't going to be enough for either of them anyway.

Good move for the Cubs.

IamRalpho

07-20-2016, 05:49 PM

sickmantz

07-20-2016, 05:49 PM

someone is gonna be pissed about there collection dipping in prices.

This is a really interesting and silly thought. The dude was NEVER going to see Wrigley field for the Cubs. What exactly was keeping his prices up that they could drop by likely playing DH for the Mariners?

Screamer

07-20-2016, 05:51 PM

awz50

07-20-2016, 05:51 PM

This is a really interesting and silly thought. The dude was NEVER going to see Wrigley field for the Cubs. What exactly was keeping his prices up that they could drop by likely playing DH for the Mariners?

The sole reason (ok so two reasons...) is he played for the cubs and had mid power.

Only reason his prices where staying up

OnTheAir

07-20-2016, 05:56 PM

Mariners prospects all suck and something is going on there to retard a lot of their development

Montero after he got there, Zunino, Franklin before he got traded, Jackson.

Id be worried about the Mariners ruining whatever Vogelbach could become.

It makes sense for both teams but the Mariners are bad juju

It was called Jack Z... Now that he's out we have some hope.

Zunino has had a solid season at Tacoma. DJ has been hot since being moved up to AAA. O'Neill is doing well. It's going to take some time to recover from the Jack Z plague.

Devi8or

07-20-2016, 05:59 PM

It was called Jack Z... Now that he's out we have some hope.

Zunino has had a solid season at Tacoma. DJ has been hot since being moved up to AAA. O'Neill is doing well. It's going to take some time to recover from the Jack Z plague.

Zunino was clearly rushed as well, all Mariner fans know that. He just got the call up today and hit his 3rd HR in his 3rd game. I think Zunino had a lot of learning to do, hopefully his extended time in AAA gave him that. Time will tell

REGGIE206

07-20-2016, 06:39 PM

Daniel Vogelbach And Dae-Ho Lee will compete in an eating contest, then see who can be the fattest Mariner? Haha! Joke joke. Go Mariners!

lambeauleap87

07-20-2016, 06:42 PM

I'm not sure just how much value some people thought Vogelbach had. Obviously the bat is nice, but there's not a ton of trade value in a guy that's going to be stuck at DH. Cubs did well to get a talented left-handed reliever, especially for a guy under team control until 2022. I give the edge to the Mariners for getting Blackburn out of it as well, but it seems like a pretty even swap.

preakness

07-20-2016, 06:54 PM

Kind of funny that some thought no way vogelbach only got Montgomery when it actually took Blackburn too

tiger221166

07-20-2016, 07:58 PM

It's not like Blackburn is all that much of a prospect at this point. He's better than the AAA guy, sure, but his stuff never developed like the Cubs hoped. He's a good candidate for the bullpen though, excellent command and his stuff might play up more when just pitching an inning.

This seems like a perfectly reasonable trade for both teams. Mariners definitely could be the big winners if Vogelbach takes to DHing like it seems he could, but Montgomery could fill a lot of roles for the Cubs as well.