Wave of best offers accepted --> non paying bidders

[ninjacookies]

Is anyone else having this problem?

I don't even do much volume on ebay, but this is ridiculous. People are making offers, I'm accepting, then absolutely zero response and non-paying bidders cases opened and closed without resolution. Had about 4 of these in the past 3 weeks. All have fairly lengthy ebay history and 100% feedback.

Is this a new millennial version of the knock-out game that I'm unaware of?

[Hornet21]

I'm the opposite I'm getting a huge run of putting in best offers and then no response. I mean if a seller doesn't like the offer just counter or decline?

[ninjacookies]

I'm the opposite I'm getting a huge run of putting in best offers and then no response. I mean if a seller doesn't like the offer just counter or decline?

Ah. That's crazy. I usually counter within a half day at the most. Ebay is becoming extremely more frustrating to deal with.

[Orangejello727]

I'm the opposite I'm getting a huge run of putting in best offers and then no response. I mean if a seller doesn't like the offer just counter or decline?

I now put in best offers and in the note section state that my offer is only good for 6 to 12 hrs at which time I just retract it. Ive had 2 people contact me after the retraction to ask me if I still want it.

Im not waiting the full 48 hrs because most sellers sit on offers to see if someone sends in a higher offer within 48 hrs.

[jjohnson814]

I've had a couple instances of this recently. Sometimes they just take the full amount of time to pay. I'll never understand this. They are the ones who want the card so just pay for it.

I wish eBay would have harsher punishments for not paying. Super annoying.

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[rman112]

Is anyone else having this problem?

I don't even do much volume on ebay, but this is ridiculous. People are making offers, I'm accepting, then absolutely zero response and non-paying bidders cases opened and closed without resolution. Had about 4 of these in the past 3 weeks. All have fairly lengthy ebay history and 100% feedback.

Is this a new millennial version of the knock-out game that I'm unaware of?

LOL..

[tke1600]

Probably creating comps. EBay is the wild Wild West marketplace these days.

[afrederick12]

Im not waiting the full 48 hrs because most sellers sit on offers to see if someone sends in a higher offer within 48 hrs.


Is that wrong? I get the frustration of not getting a response or counter, but waiting to see if someone offers more doesn't seem bad at all.


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[Orangejello727]

Is that wrong? I get the frustration of not getting a response or counter, but waiting to see if someone offers more doesn't seem bad at all.


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Just decline the offer if you dont want to accept it. Dont sit on it. Sitting on it is the poorest form of negotiating.

When I see a best offer and offers pending, I dont bother offering. It just tells me the seller is waiting to see if they can get a better offer before the other one expires. If I seller has the right to sit on my offer, I have the right to retract it as well.

[ninjacookies]

Probably creating comps. EBay is the wild Wild West marketplace these days.

That's what I pondered at first, but it doesn't really apply in this case because all the offers accepted were just slightly below average market price (I just wanted to move them).


It's like these people are just blindly throwing out offers just to cause trouble.

[Orangejello727]

That's what I pondered at first, but it doesn't really apply in this case because all the offers accepted were just slightly below average market price (I just wanted to move them).


It's like these people are just blindly throwing out offers just to cause trouble.

Are the cards you had for sale the same as others listed. Sometimes ppl hit BINs to get rid of your auctions so theirs are the only ones available.

[ninjacookies]

Are the cards you had for sale the same as others listed. Sometimes ppl hit BINs to get rid of your auctions so theirs are the only ones available.

Graded, yes. But these are pretty low demand items and players, so it makes no sense. If they were hot ticket items, I would never have accepted their offers.

Most if not all the purchasers had fairly lengthy ebay histories, but very limited amount of activity in the past month, for what it's worth.

[crimedawg47]

I'm seeing the same thing...3 or 4 of them this past month. In most of the incidents I accepted their first offer cus it was reasonable. Not sure if this is triggering them to think they over offered so they just don't pay up. I can't wrap my head around any logical explanation.

[ninjacookies]

I'm seeing the same thing...3 or 4 of them this past month. In most of the incidents I accepted their first offer cus it was reasonable. Not sure if this is triggering them to think they over offered so they just don't pay up. I can't wrap my head around any logical explanation.

At least I'm not the only one...thought perhaps I'd ticked someone off in a past life.

This is just ridiculous. Accepted another bulk offer order on 3 items yesterday and fearing the same thing...again.

Fun times we're living in.

[daeve]

Is that wrong? I get the frustration of not getting a response or counter, but waiting to see if someone offers more doesn't seem bad at all.


It is, because it's tying the buyer's money up. Especially annoying during ebay bucks promotions. Last time that happened I put in a good offer, seller declined, I quickly put in a very good offer [higher than I should've] and seller sat on it for almost 48 hours, the 10% ebay bucks promo ran out, I forgot to retract my bid as I bid on other things to get the promo, and then he accepted. I still paid, of course, but I wasn't too happy about it. [ I do admit I should've just retracted, but still]

[Cavaliercards]

We have had a rash of them across the board from sports cards to non-sports items.

In fact we had someone win multiple high end cards from us and agreed to pay for half of their order, but asked to cancel the rest. We just shook our head.

[daeve]

We have had a rash of them across the board from sports cards to non-sports items.

In fact we had someone win multiple high end cards from us and agreed to pay for half of their order, but asked to cancel the rest. We just shook our head.

I had someone at the end of February send in a good offer on a high-end item but said they couldn't pay 'in full' until March 10th, I sent a message asking 'are you sure' and never got a reply so I didn't accept.

[ninjacookies]

We have had a rash of them across the board from sports cards to non-sports items.

In fact we had someone win multiple high end cards from us and agreed to pay for half of their order, but asked to cancel the rest. We just shook our head.

That's grand.

So what's next on the Ebay 'buyer advantage' platter on their next slate of rule revisions?

[briancecilrn]

I've had a couple instances of this recently. Sometimes they just take the full amount of time to pay. I'll never understand this. They are the ones who want the card so just pay for it.

I wish eBay would have harsher punishments for not paying. Super annoying.

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Those are the same jackasses that then message you demanding to send the card out ASAP, lol I agree with ninja, eBay is getting ridiculous.

[smalltown]

I've seen it on both sides. I think buyers are putting in offers on many cards hoping one will get accepted and then cancelling the rest as they don't actually have funds to purchase everything they're offering on.

On the flip side. I've had more and more sellers sitting on offers until the last hour or so of the offer hoping for something better. I've ended up cancelling a few offers that just sit. I usually message the seller first in case it's just a case of being too busy or not noticing.

I'd like if eBay allowed buyers to put timed limits on offers. Something along the lines of 6hrs, 12hrs, 24hrs, 48hrs or Open - this would help with the problem a bit i think.

[daeve]

I've seen it on both sides. I think buyers are putting in offers on many cards hoping one will get accepted and then cancelling the rest as they don't actually have funds to purchase everything they're offering on.

On the flip side. I've had more and more sellers sitting on offers until the last hour or so of the offer hoping for something better. I've ended up cancelling a few offers that just sit. I usually message the seller first in case it's just a case of being too busy or not noticing.

I'd like if eBay allowed buyers to put timed limits on offers. Something along the lines of 6hrs, 12hrs, 24hrs, 48hrs or Open - this would help with the problem a bit i think.

oh I like that idea

[gomiamigo]

I think it's kids hitting several lower end cards but only having the money for 1-2

[seabass97166]

eBay has become ridiculous. It's seems like the ratio of good buyers vs numbnuts is 20-1.

Best offers getting bypassed for: what's the lowest you will take, do you trade, what are you looking to get bla bla bla then you tell them you're just fielding offers for now and you never hear back from them. People are just fishing to price out their own cards, hitting false BINs to get sales prices recorded when searching past sales, shilling up auctions, and the list goes on and on. And thats not even including all the scammers.

Just have to weed out all the morons for the serious buyer

[Starman101]

Ah. That's crazy. I usually counter within a half day at the most. Ebay is becoming extremely more frustrating to deal with.

This is half the reason I now send my cards to Probstein to sell

The combined fees (Paypal & Ebay) are cheaper than I would if I listed it myself and I avoid all the non paying bidder headaches, emails, and taking multiple pics of the item, disagreements about grading, etc........Its just not worth it to me

And his auctions get very good prices

The funds minus his fees are deposited into your Paypal account only 1 week after the auction ends

Its a great service

[briancecilrn]

This is half the reason I now send my cards to Probstein to sell

The combined fees (Paypal & Ebay) are cheaper than I would if I listed it myself and I avoid all the non paying bidder headaches, emails, and taking multiple pics of the item, disagreements about grading, etc........Its just not worth it to me

***AND HIS AUCTIONS GET SHILLED LIKE CRAZY***

The funds minus his fees are deposited into your Paypal account only 1 week after the auction ends

Its a great service


Fixed it for you.



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[ninjacookies]

Fixed it for you.



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haha

I don't even know, for high end I'd probably just sell to pwcc or the likes now. I never purchase from them for my obvious own reasoning, but as a seller it's pretty enticing not having to deal with all the possible extra crap.


Thanks you all for reassuring the fact that ebay is a now a complete gunshot seller's market. They don't care either. The monopoly is real.

[PokerPro503]

Is anyone else having this problem?

I don't even do much volume on ebay, but this is ridiculous. People are making offers, I'm accepting, then absolutely zero response and non-paying bidders cases opened and closed without resolution. Had about 4 of these in the past 3 weeks. All have fairly lengthy ebay history and 100% feedback.

Is this a new millennial version of the knock-out game that I'm unaware of?

So crazy you posted this because I was about to start a new thread on basically same topic. One guy bought 7 items over like a 3 day span and sent a short message about adjusting shipping cost and then I asked him about payment yesterday and he said he would be able to pay Sunday(day 7 for the first item he bought) But he has like 5k rating with 100% positive as well as a ton of stuff in last month. Other guy bought 3 and its been like 3-4 days but he also has tons of feedback thats all 100% positive.

What do I do? I never even had to file a NPB case and don't really want to but seems like I have given them both a pretty reasonable amount of time.

[TASS]

So crazy you posted this because I was about to start a new thread on basically same topic. One guy bought 7 items over like a 3 day span and sent a short message about adjusting shipping cost and then I asked him about payment yesterday and he said he would be able to pay Sunday(day 7 for the first item he bought) But he has like 5k rating with 100% positive as well as a ton of stuff in last month. Other guy bought 3 and its been like 3-4 days but he also has tons of feedback thats all 100% positive.

What do I do? I never even had to file a NPB case and don't really want to but seems like I have given them both a pretty reasonable amount of time.

File the NPB in most instances (buyers with 100% positive) you will receive payment within 24 hrs., it just makes you question why someone with perfect feedback would wait so long to pay. :confused:

On auctions I will put buyer must pay within 3 days of auction award at that point I can file a NPB case and refer to my posted payment requirements.

[shaqfan2]

I don't understand these people sometimes. They are communicating super fast with lightning speed when they're bargaining for a best offer and then when they actually win it? Silence. At least say something if you can't pay immediately.

[Soonerfan65]

I'm the opposite I'm getting a huge run of putting in best offers and then no response. I mean if a seller doesn't like the offer just counter or decline?
Happens all the time to me as a seller; person makes offer, i counter, then no response. If you dont want the card just decline instead of making me wait 48 hours.

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[Soonerfan65]

oh I like that idea
Me too. 48 hours is too long on both ends of the situation.

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[RaiderMike]

The offer system is really broken. Always has been. It should be removed... If someone wants to make an offer, message seller and if the seller is ok with it, adjust the price. Less frustrating (though a tad more work), and it doesn't freeze the item.

[ninjacookies]

So crazy you posted this because I was about to start a new thread on basically same topic. One guy bought 7 items over like a 3 day span and sent a short message about adjusting shipping cost and then I asked him about payment yesterday and he said he would be able to pay Sunday(day 7 for the first item he bought) But he has like 5k rating with 100% positive as well as a ton of stuff in last month. Other guy bought 3 and its been like 3-4 days but he also has tons of feedback thats all 100% positive.

What do I do? I never even had to file a NPB case and don't really want to but seems like I have given them both a pretty reasonable amount of time.

It's gotten so bad that I just use the automatic NPB ebay assistant. It opens up the case automatically after 4 days of non-payment. That's more than enough time for any responsible buyer.

Had it up to here trying to keep track of all these fools.

[Jordan101]

I keep getting people who set up complicated trade or trade/cash deals with me on 5 figure cards & then after I do many hours of work valuing their trades (once 10 hours of researching values & finding buyers before agreeing to go through with it) all to have them say they've decided to pass or just stop answering messages. I've had it happen 6 times on different high dollar cards in the last few months & it gets weirder every time. I'll be waiting on one person to follow through on their offer & I lose other people's lower offers I might have taken while waiting.

The last guy immediately offered 77% cash plus photos of trades he said I could pick from, but then when I picked, he never committed to specifics & then said basically he agreed to my terms but he was deciding between a couple of options I gave him on trades & 20 minutes later says he's decided to pass after wasting 5 hours of my time researching the value of his stupid trades (though I didn't tell him the values). I asked him if he was friends with some unknown enemy of mine & just did it all to torture me. I could never get him to tell me an real reason why he pulled out. I would've felt better if I had just known, no matter why it was.

It's like I'm moving too slow, but when I try to move fast, they put me off & say they are working or with their family, so it takes days to get a decision, then last minute, they pull out. Is this some kind of new way to torture sellers for fun? Because of this, I'm sick of trade offers, but no one has enough straight cash they are willing to spend. I guess it's like that study that came out showing I think 51% of Americans can't write a check for $500.

I just got the most idiotic email about a card on eBay I had from some butt wipe, with a fake offer to sell me the same card I have for sale, but it's obvious he has no card at all & was just trying to piss me off. I never responded. I should post it here. It's ridiculous. I think the no-pay offer people & all these guys might be in a torture card sellers club. They get off on it I guess.

And what the heck is wrong with the people who waste their time to write you just to insult cards you have or you? eBay is a terrible market right now IMO & I too would rather leave it to PWCC or someone else to deal with these imbeciles.

[PokerPro503]

It's gotten so bad that I just use the automatic NPB ebay assistant. It opens up the case automatically after 4 days of non-payment. That's more than enough time for any responsible buyer.

Had it up to here trying to keep track of all these fools.

I don't do much volume ive sold maybe 200 items ever but I've literally never had any problem whatsoever, like literally not once have I had someone not pay and in a reasonable amount of time so maybe I have been just super lucky. But now simultaneously I have two guys who bought a combined 11 items just kind of ignoring my messages and whats even better is I saw both guys bought and paid for items yesterday and today lol

[cp3fan]

I don't do much volume ive sold maybe 200 items ever but I've literally never had any problem whatsoever, like literally not once have I had someone not pay and in a reasonable amount of time so maybe I have been just super lucky. But now simultaneously I have two guys who bought a combined 11 items just kind of ignoring my messages and whats even better is I saw both guys bought and paid for items yesterday and today lol

You should consider yourself very lucky. Ebay is a complete crap shoot buying and selling these days. The communication piece is what I really dont get on there. A lot of the issues on there could be avoided with simple communication.

[PokerPro503]

You should consider yourself very lucky. Ebay is a complete crap shoot buying and selling these days. The communication piece is what I really dont get on there. A lot of the issues on there could be avoided with simple communication.

I agree with this so much. I am probably overly lenient and understanding on stuff like this and if these guys would have just kept in communication and gave me an honest timeline of when they would pay I would not have cared if it took 7-10 days as long as they open and truthful about everything. But either not replying or taking 1-2 days to send some half assed answer is what really grinds my gears

[ninjacookies]

11 items just kind of ignoring my messages and whats even better is I saw both guys bought and paid for items yesterday and today lol

This right here. The worst. Same exact thing with me. I often wonder if I'm just a marked target or have the worst luck in the world.


Also having an influx of random inquiries like,

'Hey nice card! I collect __said player__ and was wondering if you have or could locate the following card of his ______ since I've been looking for it. Thanks!' Yeah. I must be a supercollector since I'm selling a single base non auto card of a guy.


Good stuff, Ebay.

[cp3fan]

I agree with this so much. I am probably overly lenient and understanding on stuff like this and if these guys would have just kept in communication and gave me an honest timeline of when they would pay I would not have cared if it took 7-10 days as long as they open and truthful about everything. But either not replying or taking 1-2 days to send some half assed answer is what really grinds my gears

That's what I find most frustrating as well. All they have to do is shoot a message stating their intentions to pay and it's usually not a big deal. They way people act on ebay gets worse every year. This doesn't even cover the scammers, market manipulators, shillers, sellers looking for temp loans, etc