2 Jordan psa 4s ... How can these be the same grade!

[Knucklesf05]

Can anyone tell me how they grade? There is nothing over 7.5 on the bottom and the top has 2 over 9.


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[Knucklesf05]

These is a slight indent on the top card on the front. Looks like something heavy was set on it but No crease!

[UltimateDeron]

That top BGS 4 looks really good honestly.

[Knucklesf05]

I know its mine lol. The other I found on eBay

[ThoseBackPages]

both look to be graded accurately

[Knucklesf05]

both look to be graded accurately


I just dont understand how 9.5 ,9, 6.5 ,3 is the same as 7.5 ,7, 6, 3

[k1w1]

Overall Grade is based on the lowest sub-grade.

Most of the time it's only .5 above the lowest grade, but would never be more than 1 full above.

So if you have one sub grade at 3 then the most you could hope for was a 4 overall.

[callou2131]

I just dont understand how 9.5 ,9, 6.5 ,3 is the same as 7.5 ,7, 6, 3

Max of 1 grade over the lowest number. Thats why you buy the card not the holder.

[Knucklesf05]

I honestly didnt know that. Definitely makes sense now. Just looking at the huge disparity between the 2 as far as visual appeal confuses me

[ThoseBackPages]

yes, the "1 point thing" get s alot of folks

having said that, the one that is not yours certainly does not demonstrate "strong" subs in the other 3 categories, so i could see that in a 3.5

[Beavers98]

I honestly didnt know that. Definitely makes sense now. Just looking at the huge disparity between the 2 as far as visual appeal confuses me

I see your point... As others have said it is max 1 pt/grade above lowest. Does seem a little crazy though... Kinda funny I also have a BGS-4. (8.5 x3 and a 3 surface- Subs) equals a 4...

[Knucklesf05]

I see your point... As others have said it is max 1 pt/grade above lowest. Does seem a little crazy though... Kinda funny I also have a BGS-4. (8.5 x3 and a 3 surface- Subs) equals a 4...


Got a pic of your 4?

[Beavers98]

Got a pic of your 4?

Not readily on me.. I have trouble posting here anyway.. It was purchased Jan.13, 2017 on ebay if you can see that...

[CastleBeachCards]

I get the formula for grading..........but that top card having the same grade as the bottom is ridiculous.....perhaps they need to reevaluate their formula.

Also, on a side note.........I've been seeing a LOT of PSA 10's from this set with the upper left totally butchered. Take a look at this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-98-Ultra-Michael-Jordan-Star-Power-Supreme-PSA-10-Gem-Mint-/222613266832?hash=item33d4c8e190:g:pf8AAOSwzWpZkbtv

This is a good example of why I don't like graded cards

[brettmik59]

Max of 1 grade over the lowest number. Thats why you buy the card not the holder.

Yeah that rule really skews the grades on cards with just 1 really bad sub. I don't know why they don't just use the average or weighted average of each sub-component.

[Knucklesf05]

Yeah that rule really skews the grades on cards with just 1 really bad sub. I don't know why they don't just use the average or weighted average of each sub-component.


That's what I assumed they did that's why I was asking

[Knucklesf05]

Its probably one of the nicest bgs 4s out there lol

[MJGOAT23]

I get the formula for grading..........but that top card having the same grade as the bottom is ridiculous.....perhaps they need to reevaluate their formula.

Also, on a side note.........I've been seeing a LOT of PSA 10's from this set with the upper left totally butchered. Take a look at this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-98-Ultra-Michael-Jordan-Star-Power-Supreme-PSA-10-Gem-Mint-/222613266832?hash=item33d4c8e190:g:pf8AAOSwzWpZkbtv

This is a good example of why I don't like graded cards

This is just a byproduct of knowing the sub-grades. If these were PSA graded, with just one overall grade, and you knew their "fatal" flaws (the surfaces), you wouldn't have the same knee jerk reaction.

[GoHawks25]

Yeah you could have 10 centering, 10 edges, 10 corners and a 2 surface and the overall would be a 3 because the overall grade can only be 1 over the lowest subgrade.

[Jasondr91]

Its probably one of the nicest bgs 4s out there lol

Yes, that top example is a gorgeous "BGS 4" if there ever was.