2 Jordan psa 4s ... How can these be the same grade!

Knucklesf05 · 08-17-2017, 06:47 PM

Can anyone tell me how they grade? There is nothing over 7.5 on the bottom and the top has 2 over 9.

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Knucklesf05 · 08-17-2017, 06:48 PM

These is a slight indent on the top card on the front. Looks like something heavy was set on it but No crease!

UltimateDeron · 08-17-2017, 07:00 PM

That top BGS 4 looks really good honestly.

Knucklesf05 · 08-17-2017, 07:01 PM

I know its mine lol. The other I found on eBay

ThoseBackPages · 08-17-2017, 08:10 PM

both look to be graded accurately

Knucklesf05 · 08-17-2017, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

both look to be graded accurately

I just dont understand how 9.5 ,9, 6.5 ,3 is the same as 7.5 ,7, 6, 3

k1w1 · 08-17-2017, 08:28 PM

Overall Grade is based on the lowest sub-grade.

Most of the time it's only .5 above the lowest grade, but would never be more than 1 full above.

So if you have one sub grade at 3 then the most you could hope for was a 4 overall.

callou2131 · 08-17-2017, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklesf05

I just dont understand how 9.5 ,9, 6.5 ,3 is the same as 7.5 ,7, 6, 3

Max of 1 grade over the lowest number. Thats why you buy the card not the holder.

Knucklesf05 · 08-17-2017, 08:58 PM

I honestly didnt know that. Definitely makes sense now. Just looking at the huge disparity between the 2 as far as visual appeal confuses me

ThoseBackPages · 08-17-2017, 09:19 PM

yes, the "1 point thing" get s alot of folks

having said that, the one that is not yours certainly does not demonstrate "strong" subs in the other 3 categories, so i could see that in a 3.5

Beavers98 · 08-17-2017, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklesf05

I honestly didnt know that. Definitely makes sense now. Just looking at the huge disparity between the 2 as far as visual appeal confuses me

I see your point... As others have said it is max 1 pt/grade above lowest. Does seem a little crazy though... Kinda funny I also have a BGS-4. (8.5 x3 and a 3 surface- Subs) equals a 4...

Knucklesf05 · 08-17-2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Beavers98

I see your point... As others have said it is max 1 pt/grade above lowest. Does seem a little crazy though... Kinda funny I also have a BGS-4. (8.5 x3 and a 3 surface- Subs) equals a 4...

Got a pic of your 4?

Beavers98 · 08-17-2017, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklesf05

Got a pic of your 4?

Not readily on me.. I have trouble posting here anyway.. It was purchased Jan.13, 2017 on ebay if you can see that...

CastleBeachCards · 08-18-2017, 01:33 PM

I get the formula for grading..........but that top card having the same grade as the bottom is ridiculous.....perhaps they need to reevaluate their formula.

Also, on a side note.........I've been seeing a LOT of PSA 10's from this set with the upper left totally butchered. Take a look at this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-98-Ultra-...8AAOSwzWpZkbtv

This is a good example of why I don't like graded cards

brettmik59 · 08-18-2017, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by callou2131

Max of 1 grade over the lowest number. Thats why you buy the card not the holder.

Yeah that rule really skews the grades on cards with just 1 really bad sub. I don't know why they don't just use the average or weighted average of each sub-component.

Knucklesf05 · 08-18-2017, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by brettmik59

Yeah that rule really skews the grades on cards with just 1 really bad sub. I don't know why they don't just use the average or weighted average of each sub-component.

That's what I assumed they did that's why I was asking

Knucklesf05 · 08-18-2017, 02:47 PM

Its probably one of the nicest bgs 4s out there lol

MJGOAT23 · 08-18-2017, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenfancypants

I get the formula for grading..........but that top card having the same grade as the bottom is ridiculous.....perhaps they need to reevaluate their formula.

Also, on a side note.........I've been seeing a LOT of PSA 10's from this set with the upper left totally butchered. Take a look at this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-98-Ultra-...8AAOSwzWpZkbtv

This is a good example of why I don't like graded cards

This is just a byproduct of knowing the sub-grades. If these were PSA graded, with just one overall grade, and you knew their "fatal" flaws (the surfaces), you wouldn't have the same knee jerk reaction.

GoHawks25 · 08-18-2017, 02:52 PM

Yeah you could have 10 centering, 10 edges, 10 corners and a 2 surface and the overall would be a 3 because the overall grade can only be 1 over the lowest subgrade.

Jasondr91 · 08-18-2017, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklesf05

Its probably one of the nicest bgs 4s out there lol

Yes, that top example is a gorgeous "BGS 4" if there ever was.

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Knucklesf05 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Auburn, New York Posts: 2,418 Partycrew007	These is a slight indent on the top card on the front. Looks like something heavy was set on it but No crease! __________________ PC Hall of Fame rookies and autographs from NFL MLB NBA. Marvel sketches and main character autos. Star Wars sketches and main character autos. Harry Potter character autos. Anything numbered 5/5, nice patches and Syracuse Orange. Also looking for MTG power 9 and dual lands

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UltimateDeron Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,924	That top BGS 4 looks really good honestly. __________________ Collection: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150426280@N07/ Instagram: @gem.city.sportscards

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Knucklesf05 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Auburn, New York Posts: 2,418 Partycrew007	I know its mine lol. The other I found on eBay __________________ PC Hall of Fame rookies and autographs from NFL MLB NBA. Marvel sketches and main character autos. Star Wars sketches and main character autos. Harry Potter character autos. Anything numbered 5/5, nice patches and Syracuse Orange. Also looking for MTG power 9 and dual lands

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 91,108 ThoseBackPages	both look to be graded accurately __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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k1w1 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 103	Overall Grade is based on the lowest sub-grade. Most of the time it's only .5 above the lowest grade, but would never be more than 1 full above. So if you have one sub grade at 3 then the most you could hope for was a 4 overall.

08-17-2017, 08:58 PM	#9
Knucklesf05 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Auburn, New York Posts: 2,418 Partycrew007	I honestly didnt know that. Definitely makes sense now. Just looking at the huge disparity between the 2 as far as visual appeal confuses me __________________ PC Hall of Fame rookies and autographs from NFL MLB NBA. Marvel sketches and main character autos. Star Wars sketches and main character autos. Harry Potter character autos. Anything numbered 5/5, nice patches and Syracuse Orange. Also looking for MTG power 9 and dual lands

08-17-2017, 09:19 PM	#10
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 91,108 ThoseBackPages	yes, the "1 point thing" get s alot of folks having said that, the one that is not yours certainly does not demonstrate "strong" subs in the other 3 categories, so i could see that in a 3.5 __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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CastleBeachCards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: St. Clair Shores, Mi Posts: 1,346 castlebeachcards castlebeachcards	I get the formula for grading..........but that top card having the same grade as the bottom is ridiculous.....perhaps they need to reevaluate their formula. Also, on a side note.........I've been seeing a LOT of PSA 10's from this set with the upper left totally butchered. Take a look at this http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-98-Ultra-...8AAOSwzWpZkbtv This is a good example of why I don't like graded cards

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Knucklesf05 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Auburn, New York Posts: 2,418 Partycrew007	Its probably one of the nicest bgs 4s out there lol __________________ PC Hall of Fame rookies and autographs from NFL MLB NBA. Marvel sketches and main character autos. Star Wars sketches and main character autos. Harry Potter character autos. Anything numbered 5/5, nice patches and Syracuse Orange. Also looking for MTG power 9 and dual lands

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GoHawks25 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Seattle Posts: 5,433 ajs*closet	Yeah you could have 10 centering, 10 edges, 10 corners and a 2 surface and the overall would be a 3 because the overall grade can only be 1 over the lowest subgrade. __________________ GO SEAHAWKS