Mj 98-99 sott bgs 9.5/10

[exoticprince]

Have always loved this card and it rarely surfaces in a 9.5/10, but does anyone else find this Auto a little off ?

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-AUTO-GOLD-1998-99-SP-Authentic-Sign-of-the-Times-BGS-9-5-10-Gem/122775354464?hash=item1c95fb3c60%3Ag%3A2pQAAOSwnTdZ8liX&_trkparms=pageci%253A230a1b6e-bad3-11e7-8b55-74dbd180f7cf%257Cparentrq%253A5c2fe92815f0abc2c0f53590ffffc3e7%257Ciid%253A1

[dahabi]

Yea I've never seen him write "Jordan" like that, but I'm far from on expert.

[ninjacookies]

I have never seen MJ sign the J and O in his last name as 2 separate, disjointed characters. That looks really bad to me and not a natural writing motion. Like someone forged it and hesitated.

Also, pen seems thicker and bolder than the ones he used in that set.

http://host.jwcinc.net/712533/brent/2013_8/142_1_3.jpg

I'm leaning towards a wipe and forge job. Reminds me of a UD3 Jordan season ticket someone off Ebay tried to sell me. But the auto was laughable and not even close.

It's a shame BGS is so lax with their grading standards on 'certified auto' cards. You can probably get away with a lot by forging cards via the graded route.


Just my opinion.

[ichirorox]

100% fake

[rookies]

Total fake. MJ is always on with auto. IMO

[hermanotarjeta]

I pulled that card out of a leaf "best of" product two years ago and couldn't sell it for more than 4k - no one was really interested.

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MJ must of been high on a cigar when penning that lol

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100% fake!

[Chain]

Looks fake to me too. Looks like an unsigned card got backdoored from UD and then the signature was forged.

[exoticprince]

Looks fake to me too. Looks like an unsigned card got backdoored from UD and then the signature was forged.

Yea I think that's likely it. Or auto faded and was wiped and signed. But I've seen many early MJ autos /23 with duplicate serial numbers (98-99 gja, 99-00 epic sigs, etc). So was likely backdoored

[COMCMax]

Have always loved this card and it rarely surfaces in a 9.5/10, but does anyone else find this Auto a little off ?

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jorda...%257Ciid%253A1 (https://bit.ly/2y8JBmO)



Found this one on worthpoint from 2013. Pretty similar. Doesn't mean a handful didn't go out the backdoor and get forged by the same person.

OP's listing.
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/2pQAAOSwnTdZ8liX/s-l225.jpg

2013 listing.
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0813/14/1998-99-sp-authentic-michael-jordan_1_de6453b74320214e3d344acfe71ba1fb.jpg

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Found this one on worthpoint from 2013. Pretty similar. Doesn't mean a handful didn't go out the backdoor and get forged by the same person.

OP's listing.
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/2pQAAOSwnTdZ8liX/s-l225.jpg

2013 listing.
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0813/14/1998-99-sp-authentic-michael-jordan_1_de6453b74320214e3d344acfe71ba1fb.jpg

Doesn't look good at all especially the "J". Definitely forged:(:(

[Hegotgame15]

Let me get this straight....

If the card had a faded auto, then it was wiped off and replaced with a FAKE auto, it would make more sense the NEW auto would be perfect...

Why would someone that is that skilled to get half the signature perfect not get it ALL right.

Sometimes people don't think things through...

I doubt the auto or card is in anyway fake, I qualify that statement by saying I own enough MJ auto's to say there are a lot that are NOT the SAME and often have imperfections in the signature itself...

I like that people question cards and feel it's needed because of how many fakes we have found in the past....I myself was the person that PROVED the 90's inserts were being forged...

But, it seems once one person says "fake" the rest follow without looking into it themselves...


The auto does look a bit strange, but I just don't feel that means it's fake.

PS...I don't know the owner and have no interest in the card.

[Starman101]

I doubt the auto or card is in anyway fake, I qualify that statement by saying I own enough MJ auto's to say there are a lot that are NOT the SAME and often have imperfections in the signature itself...

I also own 2 MJs 90s Autos and must say that this is very true

I honestly am not sure whether this card is authentic or not as it is very difficult to say FOR SURE

While I am not ruling out the fact that it could be authentic, I would not buy this card as it is very possible the card may have been forged on a backdoored copy. While this is very possible it is also very difficult to say FOR SURE.

For this exact reason I personally prefer a 90s Auto with a COA, like his 96 SPx NNO redemption with Serial # on it and it's Matching COA

[SteveO21]

So a person forged the auto, got the first name spot on but screwed up the last name? I'm not buying that. Seems reasonable to me that Jordan just signed a little weird in that sitting, considering there are 2 copies with the same issue.

[brettmik59]

He was probably just in a hurry to get to the casino that day.

[COMCMax]

It's almost like he signed some of them vertical then decided to turn them around and sign them like would a normal horizontal card. The vertical version being a little whonky. I think it's real.

If you look at worthpoint listings. They are kind of all over the place. About a dozen or so below.

1998-1999 SP Authentic Michael Jordan Sign Of The Times Gold Auto (https://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?query=michael+jordan+sign+of+times+gold+1998)

[Saspursfan78]

People are quick to question everything these days. Not everything is faked. Not everything is going to be “identical”. I can care less about the card in question because I don’t collect his autos, but it just doesn’t make sense to 1/2 a$$ half of the sig. It just doesn’t.

If the card you are interested in is in question and or you have doubt, then just pass on it. Better that than living with uncertainty about it afterwards. It will drive you nuts later on. It’s happened to me a few times and I’m sure most here can relate.

[rainmaker]

People are quick to question everything these days.

in the sports card world this is a good thing :)!

[Chain]

I still think the one in the OP is a forgery, and the forger didn't get the first name correct as well.

He almost did, but you could tell the difference in the curve before the M. Real Jordan signatures start with a "straight/flat" line and have a sharper curve and more acute angle on this curve unlike the one in the OP. It is a fairly common mistake in forged Jordan autos.

I think the 2013 listing is genuine and you could see that difference.

OP's listing.
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/2pQAAOSwnTdZ8liX/s-l225.jpg

2013 listing.
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0813/14/1998-99-sp-authentic-michael-jordan_1_de6453b74320214e3d344acfe71ba1fb.jpg

[Saspursfan78]

in the sports card world this is a good thing :)!

Good and bad.

[vmanz]

you cant prove a card was backdoored without it having a serial number that matches another one.

the 9.5/10 signature is different but follows similar characteristics that mj has signed before. have you seen some of the UNC court autos, fleer retro buyback or uda memorabilia pieces.... all certified UDA from more modern years and very obscure autos from mj but all following similar auto patterns.

his auto 100% has different variations that all follow the same pattern. just look at the items he has signed. cards and others.

[vmanz]

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/michael-jordan-1998-99-ud-sp-authentic-sott-gold


how bout this one? similar to the 9.5/10...

[vmanz]

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/michael-jordan-1998-99-ud-sp-authentic-sott-gold

[vmanz]

398547


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Both fake autographs

[vmanz]

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So is this fake too ? From the upper deck store? Nah





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So is this fake too ? From the upper deck store? Nah





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I don't have time to debate with you. Check out previous member posts, they are also saying autograph is no good.

Did you end up winning item that is why your posting multiple times?

[vmanz]

No I didn’t win it. Just finding exact items that match the signature


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[ThoseBackPages]

very fake

[vmanz]

So that uda item is fake as well I guess


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[ThoseBackPages]

So that uda item is fake as well I guess


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its possible. he also signed that huge poster with a crayon lol

[vmanz]

He could have signed it in a crayon doesn’t matter. I can show dozens of modern pictures that match both copies of the card.

If u think that unc upper deck store picture is fake then you out of yfm. Lol


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[UltimateDeron]

I can't believe how many of you think this autograph is fake. Its a simple skippage in the auto. Of the thousands of MJ autos out there a skip here or there is possible.

[estebahn73]

I have no bone in this fight as I own no Jordan Auto at the moment. But some of you are so hell bent and absolutely convinced that the SOTT 9.5 is fake. That makes me laugh. What makes you guys so convinced that the Auto is fake?? All Jordan autographs are signed with the presence of UD employee. Maybe Jordan was tired after signing so there is a skip between the first and the last name? I mean seriously. You doubters act as if you guys are some sort of a Jordan Auto experts. I would rather go with Beckett graders than you guys.


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[vmanz]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/1c8735fcc89d3b9f034bf995a8777b05.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/66bef2954ca32bd9dd84fbc1a5bb4a38.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/adeefaa8f85dedb8d100e66903dc6766.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/0e26b292e241527f6d6ba30bf5527fd1.jpg

Across the board on years from late 90s to current items in upper deck store...


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[Dielon]

They are too many variations in his autograph, so to me this is not different from the versions above to make this look sketchy. You cant say this is 100% fake. He used a different pen. Ok? Happens

[hermanotarjeta]

I didn't pull this exact card, but I believe the autograph is real. As for any card, if you don't like the "look" of the autograph or quality of it, don't be paying a premium price for the card. No one is ever going to be able to prove or disprove the authenticity of the autograph, not even MJ himself.

The auction, however, I do not believe the card actually sold at that price - I couldn't beg anyone to take over $4500 for it for mine when it was up.

I find it difficult to comprehend that someone would pay $11k for a card with a sketchy auto - auction smells fake to me.

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Across the board on years from late 90s to current items in upper deck store...


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Seems like you won the card based on your questions and feedback. Are you trying to seek further clarification because you are not confident with your purchase?

[vmanz]

lol I didn’t win the card. Would never spend that kind of money on a card... I’m just showing exact examples so that those can see


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lol I didn’t win the card. Would never spend that kind of money on a card... I’m just showing exact examples so that those can see


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Why are you showing so much concern when hardly anyone cares or have passed on the card?

[vmanz]

Because it’s evident that he has variations in his signature. And understanding that can help balance ignorant skepticism ... idk something like that. Or just that it’s nice to simply have people be able to see that there are many types of variations.

Takes like 2 mins to go on worthpoint and uda store to find similar autos. Lol

Haven’t even stated my opinion on authenticity of autos... just showed quick examples


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