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10-26-2017, 11:58 PM
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Mj 98-99 sott bgs 9.5/10
Have always loved this card and it rarely surfaces in a 9.5/10, but does anyone else find this Auto a little off ?
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10-27-2017, 12:00 AM
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Yea I've never seen him write "Jordan" like that, but I'm far from on expert.
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10-27-2017, 12:04 AM
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I have never seen MJ sign the J and O in his last name as 2 separate, disjointed characters. That looks really bad to me and not a natural writing motion. Like someone forged it and hesitated.
Also, pen seems thicker and bolder than the ones he used in that set.  I'm leaning towards a wipe and forge job. Reminds me of a UD3 Jordan season ticket someone off Ebay tried to sell me. But the auto was laughable and not even close. It's a shame BGS is so lax with their grading standards on 'certified auto' cards. You can probably get away with a lot by forging cards via the graded route. Just my opinion. |
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10-27-2017, 12:21 AM
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Total fake. MJ is always on with auto. IMO
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10-27-2017, 12:55 AM
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I pulled that card out of a leaf "best of" product two years ago and couldn't sell it for more than 4k - no one was really interested.
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10-27-2017, 01:51 AM
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MJ must of been high on a cigar when penning that lol
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10-27-2017, 02:10 AM
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100% fake!
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10-27-2017, 03:42 AM
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Looks fake to me too. Looks like an unsigned card got backdoored from UD and then the signature was forged.
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10-27-2017, 03:46 AM
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10-27-2017, 04:50 AM
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Found this one on worthpoint from 2013. Pretty similar. Doesn't mean a handful didn't go out the backdoor and get forged by the same person. OP's listing.  2013 listing. 
Last edited by COMCMax; 10-27-2017 at 04:54 AM. |
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10-27-2017, 05:14 AM
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10-27-2017, 08:26 AM
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Let me get this straight....
If the card had a faded auto, then it was wiped off and replaced with a FAKE auto, it would make more sense the NEW auto would be perfect... Why would someone that is that skilled to get half the signature perfect not get it ALL right. Sometimes people don't think things through... I doubt the auto or card is in anyway fake, I qualify that statement by saying I own enough MJ auto's to say there are a lot that are NOT the SAME and often have imperfections in the signature itself... I like that people question cards and feel it's needed because of how many fakes we have found in the past....I myself was the person that PROVED the 90's inserts were being forged... But, it seems once one person says "fake" the rest follow without looking into it themselves... The auto does look a bit strange, but I just don't feel that means it's fake. PS...I don't know the owner and have no interest in the card. |
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10-27-2017, 08:38 AM
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I honestly am not sure whether this card is authentic or not as it is very difficult to say FOR SURE While I am not ruling out the fact that it could be authentic, I would not buy this card as it is very possible the card may have been forged on a backdoored copy. While this is very possible it is also very difficult to say FOR SURE. For this exact reason I personally prefer a 90s Auto with a COA, like his 96 SPx NNO redemption with Serial # on it and it's Matching COA Last edited by Starman101; 10-27-2017 at 08:42 AM. |
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10-27-2017, 08:46 AM
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So a person forged the auto, got the first name spot on but screwed up the last name? I'm not buying that. Seems reasonable to me that Jordan just signed a little weird in that sitting, considering there are 2 copies with the same issue.
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10-27-2017, 08:53 AM
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He was probably just in a hurry to get to the casino that day.
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10-27-2017, 08:55 AM
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It's almost like he signed some of them vertical then decided to turn them around and sign them like would a normal horizontal card. The vertical version being a little whonky. I think it's real.
If you look at worthpoint listings. They are kind of all over the place. About a dozen or so below. 1998-1999 SP Authentic Michael Jordan Sign Of The Times Gold Auto Last edited by COMCMax; 10-27-2017 at 08:57 AM. |
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10-27-2017, 10:29 AM
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People are quick to question everything these days. Not everything is faked. Not everything is going to be “identical”. I can care less about the card in question because I don’t collect his autos, but it just doesn’t make sense to 1/2 a$$ half of the sig. It just doesn’t.
If the card you are interested in is in question and or you have doubt, then just pass on it. Better that than living with uncertainty about it afterwards. It will drive you nuts later on. It’s happened to me a few times and I’m sure most here can relate.
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10-27-2017, 10:49 AM
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10-27-2017, 07:00 PM
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I still think the one in the OP is a forgery, and the forger didn't get the first name correct as well.
He almost did, but you could tell the difference in the curve before the M. Real Jordan signatures start with a "straight/flat" line and have a sharper curve and more acute angle on this curve unlike the one in the OP. It is a fairly common mistake in forged Jordan autos. I think the 2013 listing is genuine and you could see that difference. Quote:
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10-27-2017, 08:23 PM
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12-17-2017, 04:49 AM
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you cant prove a card was backdoored without it having a serial number that matches another one.
the 9.5/10 signature is different but follows similar characteristics that mj has signed before. have you seen some of the UNC court autos, fleer retro buyback or uda memorabilia pieces.... all certified UDA from more modern years and very obscure autos from mj but all following similar auto patterns. his auto 100% has different variations that all follow the same pattern. just look at the items he has signed. cards and others. |
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12-17-2017, 05:01 AM
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12-17-2017, 05:02 AM
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12-17-2017, 05:10 AM
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