New York Giants Fan Thread

[bigdaddyblue73]

Since there are a number of Giants fans on here I thought it might be nice to have a thread for us to talk about our favorite team and what impact the past season has had on collecting.

I would like to also note that if you are NOT a Giants fan and do NOT collect Giants cards pleae don't be a dick and come in here and cause trouble. Show us some respect and we will do the same when you start a thread about your favorite team.

[bigdaddyblue73]

One thing I have noticed is that Giants cards in general have dropped in price on ebay in the last few weeks. During the first 1/2 of the season Hakeem Nicks cards were going for premium price. Last night I bought a Hakeem Nicks 2010 Topps Magic AUTO for 9.99. Nicks for $10? Unheard of!

[Skeletonbuster]

I am not a giants fan. (first and formost)

But i had thought about this, Have Elis Cards taken a hit? Ususaly after a loss like that to the eagles, and then getting blown out by the packers theyd dip. I dont honestly know what they went for before.

[trogdor]

HUGE Giants fan right here and I am disappointed that they brought back Coughlin. If you look at his recored in Novemember and December you will see that it is less than .500 while in September and October it is a lot higher. I feel like something needs to change because they have the talent. Nicks and Smith getting hurt didn't help either.

[vikingsordie]

Nicks for $10? Unheard of!

Honestly, although his injury and the Giants losses may have hurt his card values a little, I don't think that is the main cause.

The reason his cards peaked and are again dropping is more due to the fact that he is a WR...WR cards fluctuate more than RB/QB I believe, and seem to be less likely to hold value over the course of time. Unless you are a super-star, HOF WR like Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Cris Carter, and maybe Andre Johnson.

[JasonH]

To put a positive spin on the terrible december the Giants had, this will provide a great buying opportunity to pick up cards at great prices like that Nicks. Good pick up! I just wish there were more cards of Giants in sets. Seems like you can only find cards of Eli, Jacobs(overrated can't stand him), and one of the receivers. I understand the lack of rookies since the Giants haven't had a high pick since Eli and they rarely pick flashy players in the first round (linemen have been the norm), but would love to see more veteran and retired players in new products.

[jonnytrouble]

All I know is I bought elis 04 leaf limited patch auto rc in 06 for CHEAP... and I sold it the week after the superbowl they won and quadrupled my money :)

looks like I sold it at the right time :)!

Nowadays I'm a Ramses Barden fan, he went to cal poly which is 10 minutes from my house. I really hope he heals his broken foot quickly so he can prove himself in training camp...

Good luck next year guys, I think this year was kinda a fluke with your division....

[bigdaddyblue73]

Some good comments her about prices being relative to the Giants winning or losing.

It seems to me that the prices on Giants stuff are lower when they are WINING.

Yeah sounds crazy, but here is why:

Lately there have been a lot of good Giants autos on ebay, far more than in the off season. While the Giants were looking good this season there were tons of good cards on ebay and the prices were great, because there was so much stuff available. I mananged to buy all 3 of the Giants Material Monkiers cards from the Limited set this year--Phil Simms, Michael Strahan, and Tiki Barber for less than $75 combined. Sometimes it seems a lot of Giants stuff gets set aside by sellers until they seem to be winning.

[bigdaddyblue73]

To put a positive spin on the terrible december the Giants had, this will provide a great buying opportunity to pick up cards at great prices like that Nicks. Good pick up! I just wish there were more cards of Giants in sets. Seems like you can only find cards of Eli, Jacobs(overrated can't stand him), and one of the receivers. I understand the lack of rookies since the Giants haven't had a high pick since Eli and they rarely pick flashy players in the first round (linemen have been the norm), but would love to see more veteran and retired players in new products.

I hope they break that tradition and draft a runningback this time around. One WITH HANDS! Jacobs and Bradshaw drop the ball way too much. The Giants need to have someone run the ball who will hold onto it.

[Laxbam619]

No sense in drafting a running back early this year, although jacobs and bradshaw had their fair share of fumbles this season they still got the job done, the main turn over problem was eli, but at $20 million a year they obviously aren't going to replace him even though he sucks and the only reason the drafted him is b/c of his last name...anyways in terms of draft they need an OL and a LB...the OL was banged up all year especially b/c guys like o'hara are getting old, definitely need a big time lineman and a big name LB would be nice too

[mmbtvs]

I am very disapointed that they kept coughlin, but even more disapointed that they kept gilbride. I would like to see a revamped special teams above all else. (get that dodge kid out of here) The prices are definately coming way down on some good Giants guys, however that is partially because there weren't any good Giants rookies this year. I believe that some of the most recent topps products didn't even have 1 Giants rookie in them. Let's hope they are smart enough to use their 1st round pick on a linebacker for once, or worse case scenario an offensive lineman. (since they were plagued by injuries at that position this year) And for gods sack, jacobs and bradshaw, take lessons from tiki on how to stop fumbling. And Eli, head down to Yankees spring training and get one of the kids there to teach you how to slide feet first.

[robertr1105]

I'm a Giants fan. I'm still pissed about the December we had but I guess we'll have to rebound next year. I enjoy collecting them (especially Hakeem Nicks.) The only thing is is that other than him, Eli, and Jacobs (like someone said before) are the only players that you could actually get a decent collection out of. Why not throw in more Bradshaw to sets?? Hopefully I'll be able to pick up some cards for cheap prices now. It was a bad December and we missed the playoffs, but at least we left on a sort of high note against the Redskins. Now back to cards. The Giants haven't had many rookies recently other than Nicks, Smith, and Bradshaw that are good for collecting. They've been sticking to defensive players and lineman in the early rounds. I'm a huge fan of Terrell Thomas, he's my favorite Giant actually, but I can't find any autos of him other than rookie ones.

[bigdaddyblue73]

Hey guys this year was very poor for Giants rookie stuff, but last year (2009) was good. Andre Brown, Rhett Bomar, Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden all were prominantly featured in just about every set released.

[dodgernoot]

hey guys, im not a giants fan but i went to cal poly. i have watched barden play since his freshman year. im also super collecting him. feel free to check out my bucket in my sig. it needs to be updated but there is a nice chunk of Bardens in there

[SethMurphy]

the only downfall of the Nicks/Smith injuries is it is driving the prices up on Mario Manningham's stuff, making it harder for me to up my collection (which when I get scans updated, is getting much bigger).... but there are some good young defensive players worth collecting, and one, Kenny Phillips, is pretty cheap still... I just wish there was more stuff from Jon Goff other than the UD Auto from his rookie year... I really like him at MLB

[bigblue92]

I was lucky enough to pull an 09 NT Barden logo shield 1/1 last year. It wasn't until this year that I started building more on my Giants PC through eBay.

Made an offer on an Eli 2010 TTT white whale which was listed at $300. Guy accepted for $180. I know I still probably over paid but the card was sweet. I was just surprised he accepted.

[sblez]

The main problem the Giants have to address is special teams. People need to realize we still won 10 games. They have plenty of talent on both sides of the football. Yes Eli's interceptions were up but I would say about half of them were not totally his fault. If you watch all the Giants games you will know what I am talking about (a lot of his WR's like to drop and tip the ball to make it easier for the DB to interept the pass). Eli's cards haven't really dipped much and Nicks cards went up in the beginning of the season after the first game and have been pretty steady every since.

[bigblue92]

the only downfall of the Nicks/Smith injuries is it is driving the prices up on Mario Manningham's stuff, making it harder for me to up my collection (which when I get scans updated, is getting much bigger).... but there are some good young defensive players worth collecting, and one, Kenny Phillips, is pretty cheap still... I just wish there was more stuff from Jon Goff other than the UD Auto from his rookie year... I really like him at MLB

Totally agree. I was trying to pick up some Manningham's recently and I felt like they were all higher then usual. Plus he had some pretty big games at the end there so I feel like that added to it.

[bigdaddyblue73]

Watch for his stuff to drop now that the season is over.

Which would be great cause i need more of his cards! lol

[bigdaddyblue73]

I for one hope the Giants part ways with Kevin Gilbride. It's not that I don't think he did a good job, it's that somewher the link between head coach--offensive coordinator--quarterback is not what it needs to be to get the job done. Eli isn't going anywhere and Coughlin gets at least another year, so Gilbride is the only movable part of the equation.

[bigdaddyblue73]

The main problem the Giants have to address is special teams. People need to realize we still won 10 games. They have plenty of talent on both sides of the football. Yes Eli's interceptions were up but I would say about half of them were not totally his fault. If you watch all the Giants games you will know what I am talking about (a lot of his WR's like to drop and tip the ball to make it easier for the DB to interept the pass). Eli's cards haven't really dipped much and Nicks cards went up in the beginning of the season after the first game and have been pretty steady every since.

Yeah special tems is a problem, especially when it comes ot returning the football. I hope the Giants focus on getting a better return man for the next season.

[sblez]

Yeah special tems is a problem, especially when it comes ot returning the football. I hope the Giants focus on getting a better return man for the next season.

Not just return men. Dodge needs to step up and give us a reason why we drafted him and just have better coverage on special teams. If our special teams improves and we limit our turnovers the Giants should be an elite football team next year :)!

[bigdaddyblue73]

Not just return men. Dodge needs to step up and give us a reason why we drafted him and just have better coverage on special teams. If our special teams improves and we limit our turnovers the Giants should be an elite football team next year :)!

Agreed.

I think the Giants need to focus on an alternative to Dodge and limiting the turnovers. I think Eli is a part of the problem. I think I saw all but two or three regular season games this year and there were a lot of interceptins that i saw coming. There were a number of plays that i actually said "that's getting picked", as the ball left Eli's hand. He made a lot of mistakes a QB of his experience should not make.

[sblez]

Agreed.

I think the Giants need to focus on an alternative to Dodge and limiting the turnovers. I think Eli is a part of the problem. I think I saw all but two or three regular season games this year and there were a lot of interceptins that i saw coming. There were a number of plays that i actually said "that's getting picked", as the ball left Eli's hand. He made a lot of mistakes a QB of his experience should not make.

True but he also made a lot of nice plays. Besides Brady everyone is throwing a lot of picks this year. I hate when fans just always put all the blame on Eli. I think he can be great but occassionally he does make the stupid throw. I think he is smart enough to correct it and he will become an elite QB. People like "Stats" and in every statistical category the giant are in the top of the league except turnovers. Eli will figure a way to limit the turnovers and everyone will jump back on the Giants bandwagon.

Ps. Could this be the curse of Plaxico? Ever since he shot himself the franchise has gone down hill. No playoff appearances and the year he shot himself we got knocked out by the eagles. My advice is to sign him when he gets out of jail if he looks like he wants to change his life around.

[JasonH]

No sense in drafting a running back early this year, although jacobs and bradshaw had their fair share of fumbles this season they still got the job done, the main turn over problem was eli, but at $20 million a year they obviously aren't going to replace him even though he sucks and the only reason the drafted him is b/c of his last name...anyways in terms of draft they need an OL and a LB...the OL was banged up all year especially b/c guys like o'hara are getting old, definitely need a big time lineman and a big name LB would be nice too

I agree 100%. I'm not knocking that the Giants aren't flashy in the draft (well maybe a little). I think they do a good job overall. I think they could do better in free agency and trading. The Giants have a set plan when it comes to acquiring personnel and they stick to it. They don't listen to talk radio or crazed fans like some other teams appear to do. I like that they are a conservative, sound, well run franchise that will always put a good team on the field. Do I wish they would win more, of course, but I look at a lot of other fans out there that bleed for a team that they know has no chance and I realize it aint so bad being a Giants fan. Sorry for the rant.

[SethMurphy]

the Giants draft MUST MUST address one thing overall.... OFFENSIVE LINE. The line is old and not as effective as they used to be... Diehl needs to play guard not left tackle, and personally I don't think McKenzie is all that good. Depth at RB, DB and LB are nice as well, but if we draft another defensive lineman in the first three rounds I might dropkick Jerry Reese

[mmbtvs]

the Giants draft MUST MUST address one thing overall.... OFFENSIVE LINE. The line is old and not as effective as they used to be... Diehl needs to play guard not left tackle, and personally I don't think McKenzie is all that good. Depth at RB, DB and LB are nice as well, but if we draft another defensive lineman in the first three rounds I might dropkick Jerry Reese

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[bigdaddyblue73]

Hey guys just wanted to let you all know, I have an xtra 2010 Topps Magic Ramses Barden Auto on the way.

It is not "in hand". I have two coming in. I am keeping the first one for my PC. The second one to arrive will go to the 1st Giants fan to send me his info in a PM.

Might be a while before you get it, but since it's FREE, I am sure you won't mind the wait!

[JasonH]

PM sent re Barden

[SethMurphy]

enjoy, nice giveaway

[platonjk]

hate that there aren't a lot of giants cards in set.

i understand the lack of rookie stuff outside of nicks last year but even JPP this year. i think every auto card of him from panini has the same picture lol

[robertr1105]

Yeah special tems is a problem, especially when it comes ot returning the football. I hope the Giants focus on getting a better return man for the next season.
Remember that Hixon should be coming back.

[robertr1105]

In the draft we need an interior O-Lineman or a linebacker. Diehl and McKenzie have stayed healthy and I don't have any problems with them. We need a LB to take over for Bulluck.

[bigdaddyblue73]

Remember that Hixon should be coming back.

Yes he should. However we thought we would have him for this past season and look what happened. We need someone ese who can fill in.

[mindbinge]

The problem is that Eli is not a very good QB...and Coughlin is not a very good coach...period. You can blame Bradshaw's 6 lost fumbles all you want, that's what you get with a back who fights for the extra yards like he does...I think he could do a lot better with the fumbles, but it's far from his fault that they lost any games this year.

They don't know how to use Bradshaw...a back like him you get outside of the tackles in space where he can make people miss...running him like a power back up the middle is not going to get you anything...and that's what the Giants do. They should have run plays where Jacobs and Bradshaw were both in...a "Power I" formation with Hedgecock, Jacobs, and Bradshaw in a stacked I would have been awesome, especially on the goal line....never saw it....Coughlin needs to retire and go far away...he is a total moron.

Myself, I hope AB leaves the Giants and goes some place that will know how to use him and make him the feature back...yes he needs to work on the fumbles, that is for sure...but, he has a lot more to offer than NY has let him show.

Jacobs is done, stick a fork in him.

[bigdaddyblue73]

The problem is that Eli is not a very good QB...and Coughlin is not a very good coach...period. You can blame Bradshaw's 6 lost fumbles all you want, that's what you get with a back who fights for the extra yards like he does...I think he could do a lot better with the fumbles, but it's far from his fault that they lost any games this year.

They don't know how to use Bradshaw...a back like him you get outside of the tackles in space where he can make people miss...running him like a power back up the middle is not going to get you anything...and that's what the Giants do. They should have run plays where Jacobs and Bradshaw were both in...a "Power I" formation with Hedgecock, Jacobs, and Bradshaw in a stacked I would have been awesome, especially on the goal line....never saw it....Coughlin needs to retire and go far away...he is a total moron.

Myself, I hope AB leaves the Giants and goes some place that will know how to use him and make him the feature back...yes he needs to work on the fumbles, that is for sure...but, he has a lot more to offer than NY has let him show.

Jacobs is done, stick a fork in him.

Okay while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, this is a Giants Fan Thread, which you clearly are not. Feel free to start an "Ahmad Bradshaw Fan Thread" or a "Giants Haters Thread" but please have some courtesy not to bring negativity about our team.

[mindbinge]

Okay while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, this is a Giants Fan Thread, which you clearly are not. Feel free to start an "Ahmad Bradshaw Fan Thread" or a "Giants Haters Thread" but please have some courtesy not to bring negativity about our team.

I like the Giants...I just call it like I see it...Eli and Coughlin suck and Jacobs is done...do you honestly think any different?

[bigdaddyblue73]

I like the Giants...I just call it like I see it...Eli and Coughlin suck and Jacobs is done...do you honestly think any different?

Yes I do.

Eli is not the quarterback he was hyped to be.

Jacobs is not done. The Giants just need to reexamine how they use him. You are letting your bias for Bradshaw cloud your view.

The problem is that Jacobs and Bradshaw are too similar. And the Giants are trying to do nothing more with them than pound the ball away. It's too one dimensional. They need two use the two back combination in more ways than they are now.

And Tom Coughlin is one of the most knowledged coaches in the NFL. His percentage of Challenge victorys demonstrates that.

[mindbinge]

Yes I do.

Eli is not the quarterback he was hyped to be.

Jacobs is not done. The Giants just need to reexamine how they use him. You are letting your bias for Bradshaw cloud your view.

The problem is that Jacobs and Bradshaw are too similar. And the Giants are trying to do nothing more with them than pound the ball away. It's too one dimensional. They need two use the two back combination in more ways than they are now.

And Tom Coughlin is one of the most knowledged coaches in the NFL. His percentage of Challenge victorys demonstrates that.

I don't care if Bradshaw is in there or not...Jacobs is done dude.

Eli is an INT machine.

Jacobs and Bradshaw are NOTHING alike..that is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say.

Coughlin's challenge percentage only shows how many crappy calls the Giants get week in and week out...not how great of a coach he is.

[bigdaddyblue73]

I like the Giants...I just call it like I see it...Eli and Coughlin suck and Jacobs is done...do you honestly think any different?

Now as far as Eli Manning "sucking", here is a seson recap of the top NFL QBs:

Passing Yards Leaders - All PlayersRK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G

1 Philip Rivers, QB SD 541 357 66.0 4710 8.71 59 30 13 38 101.8 294
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 679 450 66.3 4700 6.92 73 33 17 16 91.9 294
3 Drew Brees, QB NO 658 448 68.1 4620 7.02 80 33 22 25 90.9 289
4 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 574 365 63.6 4370 7.61 60 24 12 32 92.0 273
5 Eli Manning, QB NYG 539 339 62.9 4002 7.43 92 31 25 16 85.3 250
6 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 586 362 61.8 3970 6.78 78 26 20 26 82.4 248
7 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 475 312 65.7 3922 8.26 86 28 11 31 101.2 261
8 Tom Brady, QB NE 492 324 65.9 3900 7.93 79 36 4 25 111.0 244
9 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 571 357 62.5 3705 6.49 46 28 9 23 91.0 232
10 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 498 293 58.8 3653 7.34 71 20 9 34 87.5 2

Notice that Eli passed for more yards than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady and Matt Ryan despite his outrageously high number of interceptions. Bring those down to a more manageable number and he would have several hundred more yards, a higher completion percentage and a higher QB rating, so statistically he performed fairly well, outside of the interceptions.

[irtazman]

The problem is that Eli is not a very good QB...and Coughlin is not a very good coach...period. You can blame Bradshaw's 6 lost fumbles all you want, that's what you get with a back who fights for the extra yards like he does...I think he could do a lot better with the fumbles, but it's far from his fault that they lost any games this year.

They don't know how to use Bradshaw...a back like him you get outside of the tackles in space where he can make people miss...running him like a power back up the middle is not going to get you anything...and that's what the Giants do. They should have run plays where Jacobs and Bradshaw were both in...a "Power I" formation with Hedgecock, Jacobs, and Bradshaw in a stacked I would have been awesome, especially on the goal line....never saw it....Coughlin needs to retire and go far away...he is a total moron.

Myself, I hope AB leaves the Giants and goes some place that will know how to use him and make him the feature back...yes he needs to work on the fumbles, that is for sure...but, he has a lot more to offer than NY has let him show.

Jacobs is done, stick a fork in him.


Think you're WAY off on the first two points. Eli is actually a very good qurterback, and coughlin is a very smart coach. the biggest problem with these two is the fact that Coughlin sticks to what he has seen succeed in the past and WON'T budge. Have you seen Eli in a 2 minute drill? Reminds me of his brother, maybe not as good, but damn near close to peyton. Coughlin needs to let Eli run the offense the way he excells, but is too scared to get away from the run. He doesn;t seem to realise that you can still run the ball when you play that way. Just look at how many years Peyton has had a 1000 plus yard rusher while running his own offense. Now i'm not saying that Eli is the best, but give him a chance to do what he does best and I feel we'll have a much more successful team.

[mindbinge]

Now as far as Eli Manning "sucking", here is a seson recap of the top NFL QBs:

Passing Yards Leaders - All PlayersRK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G

1 Philip Rivers, QB SD 541 357 66.0 4710 8.71 59 30 13 38 101.8 294
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 679 450 66.3 4700 6.92 73 33 17 16 91.9 294
3 Drew Brees, QB NO 658 448 68.1 4620 7.02 80 33 22 25 90.9 289
4 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 574 365 63.6 4370 7.61 60 24 12 32 92.0 273
5 Eli Manning, QB NYG 539 339 62.9 4002 7.43 92 31 25 16 85.3 250
6 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 586 362 61.8 3970 6.78 78 26 20 26 82.4 248
7 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 475 312 65.7 3922 8.26 86 28 11 31 101.2 261
8 Tom Brady, QB NE 492 324 65.9 3900 7.93 79 36 4 25 111.0 244
9 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 571 357 62.5 3705 6.49 46 28 9 23 91.0 232
10 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 498 293 58.8 3653 7.34 71 20 9 34 87.5 2

Notice that Eli passed for more yards than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady and Matt Ryan despite his outrageously high number of interceptions. Bring those down to a more manageable number and he would have several hundred more yards, a higher completion percentage and a higher QB rating, so statistically he performed fairly well, outside of the interceptions.

dude...Carson Palmer is #6 on that list...ask the Bengals fans how great he was this year.

[bigdaddyblue73]

I don't care if Bradshaw is in there or not...Jacobs is done dude.

Eli is an INT machine.

Jacobs and Bradshaw are NOTHING alike..that is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say.

Coughlin's challenge percentage only shows how many crappy calls the Giants get week in and week out...not how great of a coach he is.

Now first of all, insult me again and I WILL report your post to the mods. This thread is not going to degenerate into a hate thread. Go do that somewhere else.

If you want to express your opinion based on some facts that is fine and I will listen and we can have an adult discussion.

let's compare Bradshaw's performance with Jacobs:

Jacobs had a higher yard per carry than Bradshaw. He fumbled the ball this season once every 73.5 carries.

Bradshaw had a lower yard per carry and fumbles the ball twice as much at once per every 36.5 carries.

When you look a the numbers Jacobs are simply better.

[mindbinge]

Think you're WAY off on the first two points. Eli is actually a very good qurterback, and coughlin is a very smart coach. the biggest problem with these two is the fact that Coughlin sticks to what he has seen succeed in the past and WON'T budge. Have you seen Eli in a 2 minute drill? Reminds me of his brother, maybe not as good, but damn near close to peyton. Coughlin needs to let Eli run the offense the way he excells, but is too scared to get away from the run. He doesn;t seem to realise that you can still run the ball when you play that way. Just look at how many years Peyton has had a 1000 plus yard rusher while running his own offense. Now i'm not saying that Eli is the best, but give him a chance to do what he does best and I feel we'll have a much more successful team.

well...it's one or the other? is it that Eli is good and Coughlin isn't smart enough to use him correctly? or is Eli not getting the job done and Coughlin is doing his job correctly? Can't have it both ways based on what you are saying?

[bigdaddyblue73]

dude...Carson Palmer is #6 on that list...ask the Bengals fans how great he was this year.

Palmer's performance has no bearing on the discussion. And again. Eli performed better that Brady and Ryan and Rodgers, when looked at from a certain viewpoint.

Statistics don't lie. They are science.

[bigdaddyblue73]

well...it's one or the other? is it that Eli is good and Coughlin isn't smart enough to use him correctly? or is Eli not getting the job done and Coughlin is doing his job correctly? Can't have it both ways based on what you are saying?

If you reread his statement you will see that that is not what he is saying. The point he is making is that their individual styles are not matching up as well as could be hoped for.

[mindbinge]

Now first of all, insult me again and I WILL report your post to the mods. This thread is not going to degenerate into a hate thread. Go do that somewhere else.

If you want to express your opinion based on some facts that is fine and I will listen and we can have an adult discussion.

let's compare Bradshaw's performance with Jacobs:

Jacobs had a higher yard per carry than Bradshaw. He fumbled the ball this season once every 73.5 carries.

Bradshaw had a lower yard per carry and fumbles the ball twice as much at once per every 36.5 carries.

When you look a the numbers Jacobs are simply better.

what does that have to do with anything we were talking about? Jacobs didnt even get 150 touches this year? add receiving stats in there and Bradshaw was over 1,500 yards splitting time with Jacobs...but, you can keep Jacobs if you want...I hope AB leaves NY anyway.

as for "insulting you"...i did no such thing, just said that by you saying Jacobs and Bradshaw were "the same" it would qualify as one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time...I didn't say you were dumb at all, just that statement is not the smartest comment I've read in a while.

I will go though and let you carry on your Giants thread as you wish...I hope no one else has the poor judgment to not agree with everything you say...lol...what a joke.

[mindbinge]

Palmer's performance has no bearing on the discussion. And again. Eli performed better that Brady and Ryan and Rodgers, when looked at from a certain viewpoint.

Statistics don't lie. They are science.

of course not...I take YOUR list that you put up with Eli at #5 saying how great he is and point out that #6 right below him was a total failure...and YOU don't understand how that has any bearing on the discussion...lol...again, what a joke....ok I'm done now...bye.

PS: Stats are just raw data, not "science" lol...you can manipulate it in many ways :)

[bigdaddyblue73]

what does that have to do with anything we were talking about? Jacobs didnt even get 150 touches this year? add receiving stats in there and Bradshaw was over 1,500 yards splitting time with Jacobs...but, you can keep Jacobs if you want...I hope AB leaves NY anyway.

as for "insulting you"...i did no such thing, just said that by you saying Jacobs and Bradshaw were "the same" it would qualify as one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time...I didn't say you were dumb at all, just that statement is not the smartest comment I've read in a while.

I will go though and let you carry on your Giants thread as you wish...I hope no one else has the poor judgment to not agree with everything you say...lol...what a joke.

I never said anyone couldn't disagree, I just asked for you to back up your statements with facts.

I never said Jacobs was better than Bradshaw. Just that he wasn't "done". IF anything, being from West Virgina and being a big MArshall University fan, I would be biased toward Bradshaw.

I started this thread to find other guys talk constructively about the Giants and what could be done to make them better, not spout "so and so sucks" and "so and so is done".

From your posts it would appear you came in her to do nothing more than down the Giants and praise Bradshaw.

Fine. Go do that. Go start a "Brandon Jacobs sucks" thread, or a "Ahmad Bradsahw is GOD thread", hell go start a "Bigdaddyblue73 sucks" thread if that makes you happy. Just don't bring negativety here pleae. have some respect for others.

[irtazman]

If you reread his statement you will see that that is not what he is saying. The point he is making is that their individual styles are not matching up as well as could be hoped for.

exactly, thanx for the clarification. Didn;t feel like spelling it out for him myself.

[bigdaddyblue73]

True but he also made a lot of nice plays. Besides Brady everyone is throwing a lot of picks this year. I hate when fans just always put all the blame on Eli. I think he can be great but occassionally he does make the stupid throw. I think he is smart enough to correct it and he will become an elite QB. People like "Stats" and in every statistical category the giant are in the top of the league except turnovers. Eli will figure a way to limit the turnovers and everyone will jump back on the Giants bandwagon.

Ps. Could this be the curse of Plaxico? Ever since he shot himself the franchise has gone down hill. No playoff appearances and the year he shot himself we got knocked out by the eagles. My advice is to sign him when he gets out of jail if he looks like he wants to change his life around.

Someone should look up and see when he gets released.....

[bigdaddyblue73]

Well he is gonna be in jail til at least this June.

The NYC politicians have to make an example of him.

Guy was on the wrong side of a political debate.

[dodgernoot]

Palmer's performance has no bearing on the discussion. And again. Eli performed better that Brady and Ryan and Rodgers, when looked at from a certain viewpoint.

Statistics don't lie. They are science.

except for that Brady Ryan and Rodgers are in the playoffs and Eli isnt

[bigdaddyblue73]

except for that Brady Ryan and Rodgers are in the playoffs and Eli isnt

Very true. However, if Eli threw 25% fewer interceptions that would most likely be different.

Either way, that performance harder qualifies for an "Eli sucks" label.

Is Eli as good or better than Matt Ryan?

Maybe.

Is he as good or better tha nTom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?

I wish.

But with numbers like those he hardly "sucks".

[platonjk]

we need to focus on the o-line this offseason and for pete's sake draft a real linebacker. no more tweeners.

last time a tweener worked for us was idk....lawrence taylor? harry carson? lol

oline. and speed on defense.

also what killed us this year in the return game was chad jones going down. i really hope he makes it back.

[bigdaddyblue73]

we need to focus on the o-line this offseason and for pete's sake draft a real linebacker. no more tweeners.

last time a tweener worked for us was idk....lawrence taylor? harry carson? lol

oline. and speed on defense.

also what killed us this year in the return game was chad jones going down. i really hope he makes it back.

Talk about bad luck! I was excited to see the Giants draft Jones and hoped he would make some impact. Only not the kind he made with his car.

[bigdaddyblue73]

Any Giants fan need a 2009 Contenders Travis Beckum Auto?

For FREE?

1st PM with name and address AND IS A GIANTS FAN gets it.

[bigdaddyblue73]

It's gone!

Sorry guys, too slow.

[jbellis74]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Damn when did I pass 3000 lol

[mmbtvs]

Hey BDB, I got a little Giants eye candy in the mail today that I wanted to share on your thread here. Numbered 6/10.

[beaver1080]

hey guys not trying to hack the thread, talked to bigdaddyblue and he suggested i put this here, thanks. i have a ton of jeremy shockey gu/patches/autos/rc's and base. anyone interested in buying. not expecting to get a lot but there is a bunch of nice stuff. also a autographed plaque. here is a small sample of what i have. any questions or interest let me know via pm. thanks

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/beaver1080/12231021501.jpg
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/beaver1080/12231021481.jpg
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/beaver1080/12231021471.jpg

[bigdaddyblue73]

Hey BDB, I got a little Giants eye candy in the mail today that I wanted to share on your thread here. Numbered 6/10.

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!

And this is not "my" thread, It's for all the cool Giants fans on here!

[bigdaddyblue73]

Hey gang if anyone wanta these I have them for trade:

Jason Pierre Paul Classics Auto 387/499
Jason Pierre Paul R & S Auto 049/299

I would like to trade them for other Pierre Paul Autos from:

Absolute
Epix
Sterling
Threads
Crown Royal

[beaver1080]

check your pm's buddy

[ltscards]

Hey Bigdaddy! Great idea for this thread!! Just found it and let me say I'm a HUGE Giants fan!! I hope this season we can make the playoffs!! At 10-6, it really sucked that GB made it in and we didn't! Anyway, GO BIG BLUE!!:flex:

[mmbtvs]

The new season is coming up, let's get this bumped to the top. What do the Blowout Giant's fans have for predictions for the upcoming season?

[hairysasquatch]

Hey I heard a rumor today that the Giants are looking at either Ithaca College or Cornell or maybe trying to bump the Jets from SUNY Cortland for their training camp after their contract expires with SUNY Albany - any truth to that??

[mmbtvs]

I was listening to WFAN a few weeks ago, and they did say that the Giants were interested in moving their training camp from Albany. So it is distinctly possible.

[beaver1080]

Hey I heard a rumor today that the Giants are looking at either Ithaca College or Cornell or maybe trying to bump the Jets from SUNY Cortland for their training camp after their contract expires with SUNY Albany - any truth to that??

i hope this is not true i like attending camp every year, went sunday. sucks you couldn't get close to the players with the new construction set up they had on campus.

as for the upcoming season schedule looks brutal, but i always have faith, predicting another 9-7 season but i really think they can go 10-6, 11-5 barring any injuries. any new news on thomas's acl injury?