Ohtani ain't carrying crap.

[spuds1961]

I feel sorry for people spending money on 2018 product that is highly overpriced because of this fraud, at least Judge got you your money back.

[Firerunner4]

Glad he's labeled as a "fraud" after ONE spring training........

[TarjetasBéisbol]

I feel sorry for people spending money on 2018 product that is highly overpriced because of this fraud, at least Judge got you your money back.

Yeah, it’s all his fault.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Buy Devers, Sell Ohtani and Live Happily Ever After.

[ThoseBackPages]

its not his fault

[oldgoldy97]

I wouldn’t say fraud. Maybe bust or failure, but never fraud.

[smapdi]

Because at this point last year, Judge had everyone in awe.

[spuds1961]

Fraud, bust, failure whatever you want to call it just another Japanese import that won't matter in the long run.

[spuds1961]

Because at this point last year, Judge had everyone in awe.

Nope he didn't, but the end result had people profitting on his cardboard. I just feel that Ohtani had too much hype to begin with whereas Judge was never expected to be what he became.

[oldgoldy97]

If Judge had played this bad at this time last year he wouldn’t have had the chance to impress.

[spuds1961]

[QUOTE=SirTommyWinAlot;13361346]Buy Devers, Sell Ohtani and Live Happily Ever After.[/QUOTE

Definitely this. :)!

[Chicosbailbonds]

And if Judge sucks this year, the same applies to his investors also.

[wwejhardyrox]

The nerve of Ohtani. How dare he???

[spuds1961]

And if Judge sucks this year, the same applies to his investors also.

But guess what even if he sucks this year he still had a superior rookie year where everybody made money on his cards and he stoked the hobby.

[Chicosbailbonds]

But guess what even if he sucks this year he still had a superior rookie year where everybody made money on his cards and he stoked the hobby.

How can you say everyone made money on them? Whoever bought high would lose their ass. The window was just a lot smaller for Ohtani flippers. Judge could be Roger Maris or he could be Bobby Murcer or Joe Pepitone - two very hyped yankee rookies of yesteryear.

[gamboooler]

Pretty sure people who "bought high" on Judge aren't "investors."

[spuds1961]

How can you say everyone made money on them? Whoever bought high would lose their ass. The window was just a lot smaller for Ohtani flippers. Judge could be Roger Maris or he could be Bobby Murcer or Joe Pepitone - two very hyped yankee rookies of yesteryear.

Not everyone who bought, everyone that pulled a Judge from a box or a pack, anyone who bought high will still break even and that is a lot more than we can say for most players.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Pretty sure people who "bought high" on Judge aren't "investors."

Then they will be in for a surprise someday when they lose money. Few will hold their value.

[hornedfrog1985]

Judge is going to repeat

[gamboooler]

Then they will be in for a surprise someday when they lose money. Few will hold their value.

Not a surprise, that's the point. People buying during hype are either stupid or doing it for entertainment value/fandom. Acting like this is a business is LOL for the most part.

[seabass97166]

He’s not as advertised. He was supposed to throw 100 and he throws 94.
Forget the hitting.....the pitching was at least supposed to be his thing and it’s not MLB caliber..maybe 1-2 years in minors will help

[gamboooler]

He really just needs to focus on pitching. Just send him to AA out of camp and let him earn a call-up. Silly to force anything on him due to hype alone.

[purejd86p]

He really just needs to focus on pitching. Just send him to AA out of camp and let him earn a call-up. Silly to force anything on him due to hype alone.

Agree with you!

[Chicosbailbonds]

Not a surprise, that's the point. People buying during hype are either stupid or doing it for entertainment value/fandom. Acting like this is a business is LOL for the most part.

I'm probably one of the few true collectors here.

[rman112]

He’s not as advertised. He was supposed to throw 100 and he throws 94.
Forget the hitting.....the pitching was at least supposed to be his thing and it’s not MLB caliber..maybe 1-2 years in minors will help

His fastball looks to be dead red, too.

[fenwaykid]

He’s a great story- but wax prices right now are a scam. We should boycott.

[spuds1961]

He really just needs to focus on pitching. Just send him to AA out of camp and let him earn a call-up. Silly to force anything on him due to hype alone.

Agree also, good point.

[duwal]

He’s not as advertised. He was supposed to throw 100 and he throws 94.
Forget the hitting.....the pitching was at least supposed to be his thing and it’s not MLB caliber..maybe 1-2 years in minors will help

Well lets remember the Japanese leagues are pretty much equivalent to high A/ AA minor leagues here so it is a huge jump in talent from what he and other hyped Japanese pitchers are used to. Some are just horrible from the start and stay horrible like Irabu through short careers. Others have promising starts and then gradually get worse like Nomo. Very rarely are there Japanese pitchers coming over to MLB with consistently good careers. It's going to be a rough first year or two for Ohtani, especially if he's going to be splitting his concentration/studying on both hitting and pitching

[scotthenrichs]

Hideki Irabu

[ninjacookies]

>Season hasn't even began yet
>Judge superior rookie investment because of full season of play

Logic not even once.

Minus whale create a seperate thread for every player in the 2011-2013 draft classes to say how crappy of an investment they were compared to the almighty Trout.


Also, the team that paid for Shohei has nobody to blame but themselves. They offered the money for his contract, they live with the consequences of their scouting inadequacies. This is all speculating that he's going to be some astronomical bust. Because I'm pretty sure they'll recoup a good chunk just off merchandise and ticket sales (many new japanese spectators).

[Big35Hurt]

Judge is going to repeat

As MVP runnerup?

[ninjacookies]

As MVP runnerup?

lololol :)!

[Chicosbailbonds]

>Season hasn't even began yet
>Judge superior rookie investment because of full season of play

Logic not even once.

Minus whale create a seperate thread for every player in the 2011-2013 draft classes to say how crappy of an investment they were compared to the almighty Trout.


Also, the team that paid for Shohei has nobody to blame but themselves. They offered the money for his contract, they live with the consequences of their scouting inadequacies. This is all speculating that he's going to be some astronomical bust. Because I'm pretty sure they'll recoup a good chunk just off merchandise and ticket sales (many new japanese spectators).

Not only the scouting, its quite the culture change also.

[spuds1961]

As MVP runnerup?

I would take that as it would mean he was still putting up good numbers.:D

[hornedfrog1985]

Judge and altuve put up the same numbers this year and judge wins mvp.

As for ohtani. You send him to the minors and hes done. He will never be more than a #3. The media and fan hyp3 wasnt the problem. The guy thought he was the second coming and some people cant handle when reality hits them. His mind is gone now.

[ninjacookies]

Not only the scouting, its quite the culture change also.

Oh yeah. You're talking about a whole different cream of talent he's facing. As well as getting acclimated and comfortable to the lifestyle and fan expectations.



So was this was a thinly veiled attempt from a Judge hoarder that's clenching their you-know-what hoping that the almighty Ohtani doesn't cut into their profit margins this year?

Or nah.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Judge and altuve put up the same numbers this year and judge wins mvp.

Yet Trout is the best player in the AL again.

[Davis]

I noticed that the "It's SHO Time" advertising banner at the top of the forums seems to have been taking out of the rotation...

edit...scratch that. It showed up again...like it's reading what I type :eek:

[gtpcamaroz]

He’s a great story- but wax prices right now are a scam. We should boycott.

I am, for this year at least. Focusing on vintage and probably more memorabilia this year instead.

[spuds1961]

Oh yeah. You're talking about a whole different cream of talent he's facing. As well as getting acclimated and comfortable to the lifestyle and fan expectations.



So was this was a thinly veiled attempt from a Judge hoarder that's clenching their you-know-what hoping that the almighty Ohtani doesn't cut into their profit margins this year?

Or nah.

Nah, I have a decent amount of Judge cards but that is not why I started this thread. I am actually hoping Ohtani does good as it will only help to make the hobby grow. I just hate that he has to try to live up to the hype that was put upon him.

[cnewby]

I would take that as it would mean he was still putting up good numbers.:D

Exactly. :)!

[Chicosbailbonds]

Oh yeah. You're talking about a whole different cream of talent he's facing. As well as getting acclimated and comfortable to the lifestyle and fan expectations.



So was this was a thinly veiled attempt from a Judge hoarder that's clenching their you-know-what hoping that the almighty Ohtani doesn't cut into their profit margins this year?

Or nah.


Media expectations also. The LA media isn't the toughest, but I'm sure its a little more demanding than the Japanese media.

I think you nailed it about the Judge hoarder.

[ninjacookies]

I just hate that he has to try to live up to the hype that was put upon him.

It's not his fault though lol. By you labeling him a 'fraud,' you're somehow implying he intentionally is trying to tank his own stock. He is who he is...and success doesn't always come overnight.

Not saying he's going to have some type of transcendent Ichiro-like career, but who's to say he can't settle into a respectable Darvish or Tanaka type role? Not generational talents, but still have had respectable contributions to their ball clubs.

As for the hobby hype. That's just how it's always worked. I don't feel sorry for people who overpay every year for the new shiny crop of unproven talent. That's the unnecessary risk they place on themselves.

Who's to say the people who're dishing 5 digits for Acuna stuff won't be crying in a year if he has a Byron Buxton type outing after call-up?

Nobody has a crystal ball.

[BigL7370]

Media expectations also. The LA media isn't the toughest, but I'm sure its a little more demanding than the Japanese media.

I think you nailed it about the Judge hoarder.

Have you seen the hordes of reporters and cameramen chasing after him from Japan? If he is a bust, then it's a whole nation he is letting down and not just stupid folks with money to throw at his cards.

The media he will face in Anaheim [not LA] is the least of his worries.

[Big35Hurt]

I would take that as it would mean he was still putting up good numbers.:D

Lol I know....I was just throwing out a specific question to a vague statement for fun. :)

[Chicosbailbonds]

Have you seen the hordes of reporters and cameramen chasing after him from Japan? If he is a bust, then it's a whole nation he is letting down and not just stupid folks with money to throw at his cards.

The media he will face in Anaheim [not LA] is the least of his worries.

Yes, the hoards of Japanese media have come over for Nomo, Ichiro, Dice K, Matsui, and Darvish also. All of them have had unrealistic demands placed on them.

I know they play in Anaheim but there are a lot of Japanese in the LA area that will follow also.

[spuds1961]

Lol I know....I was just throwing out a specific question to a vague statement for fun. :)

Understood. :)!

[kyle1707]

Judge is going to repeat

250 ks or 52 hrs ?

[Big35Hurt]

250 ks or 52 hrs ?

Oh no you dinnint!

[LVDan]

Clectors are furious


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[spuds1961]

250 ks or 52 hrs ?

Both and I'll take it :D

[unclemonkey]

I pulled around a half dozen Mega Boxes and sold each PSA 10 for a very nice profit.

Still got one.

They are still getting nice money for them.

I would be a buyer south of $100 all day.

[spuds1961]

I pulled around a half dozen Mega Boxes and sold each PSA 10 for a very nice profit.

Still got one.

They are still getting nice money for them.

I would be a buyer south of $100 all day.

Nothing wrong with making money.:)!

[unclemonkey]

Nothing wrong with making money.:)!

I couldn't wait to sell them.

They were gone ASAP haha

For the game and the hobby, I hope he turns out to be the real deal.

[coltsnsox07]

Some poor guy has $1200 invested in the Angels for two jumbo cases in a group break presell here, he's gotta be really peeved.

[Neal]

Judge is going to repeat

I hope he does .... good for baseball

And I do not own a single Judge, other than a few cheap ones

Good kid, Yankee .... I'm a Phillies fan btw

as far as Ohtani, I hope he does well - want to see Trout in the postseason!

[spuds1961]

Some poor guy has $1200 invested in the Angels for two jumbo cases in a group break presell here, he's gotta be really peeved.

He could still hit Trout and Pujols which might bail him out a bit.

[cnewby]

250 ks or 52 hrs ?

Both and I'll take it :D

Whats funny is how he actually DID one of those, the other is a pipe dream of jelly fans who missed the boat. :)!

[kyle1707]

Oh no you dinnint!

They are a very touchy bunch.

But very good for hobby ..

[Prospector234]

His fastball looks to be dead red, too.

True. Fastball is flat with minimal run.

[callou2131]

Kinda sad he sucks. Would have been neat seeing him pitch a shutout with 2 homeruns in an interleague game. I don't feel sorry for all the morons that spent thousands. I do feel sorry for the sellers getting ready for the chargeback.

[RedMikeC]

Kinda sad he sucks. Would have been neat seeing him pitch a shutout with 2 homeruns in an interleague game. I don't feel sorry for all the morons that spent thousands. I do feel sorry for the sellers getting ready for the chargeback.



If you guys think he suck then SELL SELL SELL.

What is the big deal?

[callou2131]

I don't have a single one to sell.

[ThoseBackPages]

big deal is that wax is inflated

[speedyjg13]

If you guys think he suck then SELL SELL SELL.

What is the big deal?

Yes, sell. Gonna watch a bunch of his Heritage auto cards and see "how low will it go." He keeps this up, those cards shouldn't be more than $50.

[RedMikeC]

big deal is that wax is inflated

If the prices are too high, don't buy it. I know you may just be venting and realize this yourself but it happens - If he really does suck then the market will eventually correct itself.

I love NT basketball and would normally get a case but prices are so stupid this year there is no way in hell i'm buying a box or even buying the single until maybe 6 months or a year after release.

[ThoseBackPages]

If the prices are too high, don't buy it. I know you may just be venting and realize this yourself but it happens - If he really does suck then the market will eventually correct itself.

I love NT basketball and would normally get a case but prices are so stupid this year there is no way in hell i'm buying a box or even buying the single until maybe 6 months or a year after release.

indeed i am venting. i dont see Heritage ever being $75 a box like its been every year before upon release

i hear ya on NBA. Prizm was like an appetizer of the feeding frenzy! LOL

[auctionjmm]

I feel sorry for people spending money on 2018 product that is highly overpriced because of this fraud, at least Judge got you your money back.

8 IP of spring ball in a new country and a new league and he's already a fraud?

I failed my first driver's test. 17 years later and I don't have a single ticket or accident on my record. Let the man at least have a couple of months before you label him.

[hornedfrog1985]

I hope he does .... good for baseball

And I do not own a single Judge, other than a few cheap ones

Good kid, Yankee .... I'm a Phillies fan btw

as far as Ohtani, I hope he does well - want to see Trout in the postseason!

Phillies will surprise people this year. I think the nats reign is over. I expect a firesale of scherzer and harper. :eek::doh:

[houdini]

But guess what even if he sucks this year he still had a superior rookie year where everybody made money on his cards and he stoked the hobby.

In a thread chock full of foolishness, that statement still stands out.

[KhalDrogo]

8 IP of spring ball in a new country and a new league and he's already a fraud?

I failed my first driver's test. 17 years later and I don't have a single ticket or accident on my record. Let the man at least have a couple of months before you label him.
Don’t waste your time.

He’s going to be on the opening day roster. If he can’t hit and can’t pitch come the regular season, then some opinions can be formed.

[jhssketchcards]

8 IP of spring ball in a new country and a new league and he's already a fraud?



I failed my first driver's test. 17 years later and I don't have a single ticket or accident on my record. Let the man at least have a couple of months before you label him.



True, but no one paid you millions in guaranteed money to take that failed drivers test.


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[jhssketchcards]

Yet Trout is the best player in the AL again.



Pretty sure a guy in Houston was named best player in the AL... and MLB fo that matter


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[Chicosbailbonds]

Pretty sure a guy in Houston was named best player in the AL... and MLB fo that matter


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That’s ok. You can have Altuve, I’ll take Trout - and I love Altuve’s game. Nellie Fox won an MVP also, the Sox would have traded him for the Mick in a second.

[jhssketchcards]

That’s ok. You can have Altuve, I’ll take Trout - and I love Altuve’s game. Nellie Fox won an MVP also, the Sox would have traded him for the Mick in a second.



You really just compared Nellie Fox to Altuve? How many Batting Titles did Fox have? How many times has Fox led the Majors in hits? Trust me I think Trout is by far the best investment to make.
But to compare Altuve to Fox and the “one MVP” is crazy. By the way I guess Fox compares to Hank Aaron too since he only won one MVP. Bryce Harper too. Fox must be better than Jeter too since Jeter never won an MVP.


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[Chicosbailbonds]

You really just compared Nellie Fox to Altuve? How many Batting Titles did Fox have? How many times has Fox led the Majors in hits? Trust me I think Trout is by far the best investment to make.
But to compare Altuve to Fox and the “one MVP” is crazy. By the way I guess Fox compares to Hank Aaron too since he only won one MVP. Bryce Harper too. Fox must be better than Jeter too since Jeter never won an MVP.


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Nellie Fox is a HOFer and finished in the top 10 for AL MVP 7 times.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Don’t confuse being the best player, vs having the best season, they can be different.

[VeedonFleece]

True, but no one paid you millions in guaranteed money to take that failed drivers test.

How many millions is Ohtani guaranteed?

[jhssketchcards]

Nellie Fox is a HOFer and finished in the top 10 for AL MVP 7 times.



Ok so what’s the point? If Fox is a HOF why use him to in a way water down what Altuve has done? Obviously Trout has better trajectory towards being one of the top 10 All-time. I simply made a point Trout (as of the end of 2017) is/was not the best player in baseball. Had he not gotten hurt, he may have won another MVP. I’m sure Trout would trade his MVPs for a WS. Ohtani was supposed to be another piece to help Trout. He could b good, but that remains to be seen.


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[jhssketchcards]

Don’t confuse being the best player, vs having the best season, they can be different.



Dude if you think Altuve has had only one good season then you clearly do not pay attention to baseball.


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[jhssketchcards]

How many millions is Ohtani guaranteed?



Think he got a 2.3M bonus at signing


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[VeedonFleece]

Think he got a 2.3M bonus at signing

So, peanuts. That would get you a month of Alex Cobb.

[base set]

So, peanuts. That would get you a month of Alex Cobb.

Or maybe one week of Rusney Castillo

[Dbacksbaseball]

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

[WalterAZ31]

this reeks of a "whaaaa, i havent pulled any of his autos to flip for bills yet" type of thread

[ThoseBackPages]

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

not everyone. 2017 H low number boxes were readily available in the 75 range when released. sure the 25% increase in SPs pissed off a lot of us collectors, but this years release started out at 125, which is horse poop.

yea, people can pre-order, but that's stupid

[Dbacksbaseball]

not everyone. 2017 H low number boxes were readily available in the 75 range when released. sure the 25% increase in SPs pissed off a lot of us collectors, but this years release started out at 125, which is horse poop.

yea, people can pre-order, but that's stupid

At release case prices of 17 low number were over 1k. They were readily available to preorder for a while at the 800-900 mark. But about 1-2 months out they crept up and kept creeping. Go back and look at that 17 LN thread people make mention of it going up A TON.

It's a grab a couple packs of retail here and there kinda year! :)!

[sbib]

My main concern is that Wax prices will be ridiculous for those that normally open and build sets - will be interesting to see as the year goes on - too early to tell if he will be good, based on a spring training in a new country

[spuds1961]

In a thread chock full of foolishness, that statement still stands out.

Talk about picking and choosing a quote magic man. I may have worded it wrong but most people that bought into Judge early made money, the same will not be true about Ohtani.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Ok so what’s the point? If Fox is a HOF why use him to in a way water down what Altuve has done? Obviously Trout has better trajectory towards being one of the top 10 All-time. I simply made a point Trout (as of the end of 2017) is/was not the best player in baseball. Had he not gotten hurt, he may have won another MVP. I’m sure Trout would trade his MVPs for a WS. Ohtani was supposed to be another piece to help Trout. He could b good, but that remains to be seen.


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Seriously how did I use Fox to water down Altuve? You posted that Altuve was the best player based on his MVP and I said Trout was. Trout finished top 4 even though he missed 40 games, probably finishes top 2 if he wasn't injured. My point is most GM's wouldn't trade Trout straight up for Altuve. I hope Altuve wins 5 more MVPs.

(FTR, I'm not trading Bryant SU for Altuve either) ;)

[mwash1983]

Expect a 20% drop after this dumpster fire appearance today. Guy is getting up like a Christmas Tree, Hideki Irabu 2.0

[speedyjg13]

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

This stopped being a hobby a long time ago. This has become a business for the majority of the people here

[ninjacookies]

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.


You know you're really confident in your 'investment' when you have to create a new thread bashing the latest hype train like he's the worst prospect in decades after....spring training.

I never pray for anyone's downfall, but it will be a BO exodus of epic proportions if Judge has a sophomore slump this year. The judgeheads are quickly approaching Patriot type levels of intolerable reads.

[Cavaliercards]

Love Ohtani and am glad he is here this season, it is great for baseball and their products.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Ohtani collectors:

LKta_gRc2gA

[callou2131]

You know you're really confident in your 'investment' when you have to create a new thread bashing the latest hype train like he's the worst prospect in decades after....spring training.

I never pray for anyone's downfall, but it will be a BO exodus of epic proportions if Judge has a sophomore slump this year. The judgeheads are quickly approaching Patriot type levels of intolerable reads.

Not the worst prospect in decades by far. I honestly don't know, has any other prospects red auto in heritage been 5k on release? Was Bryant?

[stellablue]

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember how Ichiro's first MLB spring training went? I can't remember and couldn't find those stats.

[houdini]

Talk about picking and choosing a quote magic man. I may have worded it wrong but most people that bought into Judge early made money, the same will not be true about Ohtani.

Did I misquote you?

Even your new version makes no sense. Is early 2013 on Judge or 2017? Anyone buying Judge from 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and much of 2017 had every opportunity to make a lot of money

Ohtani had his first Bowman card last year and there have been many people making a great deal on Ohtani already.

He may be a bust - way too early for anyone to know - but he is no fraud.

[djdevon]

Sure is a lot of Ohtani hatred on this board and the guy hasn't played a single major league game yet. I can read between the lines here. All of the disgruntled people are simply mad because they don't want to pay the price to play the game. This reluctance to pay can be broken down into a few categories:

Set builders who didn't pre-order even though they knew they should if their goal was to set build. It doesn't matter who is on the checklist does it?

Collectors who like a player other than Ohtani. Now they can't roll the dice so cheaply to get a shot at their prospect. But I guarantee no prospect's base gem auto card will cost more than a hobby case. Well, except maybe Ohtanis if he performs.

Lastly, people who just plain are jealous of people who locked in early and are standing to make a significant profit if they choose to resell at today's prices. Just sour grapes of the worst kind here. They can't admit they are mad at themselves for missing the boat and instead blame Ohtani.

But if Ohtani is so bad, why doesn't the price go down?

[ThoseBackPages]

i wont lie, i miss opening heritage, but it is what it is

[bobthewondercat]

Expect a 20% drop after this dumpster fire appearance today. Guy is getting up like a Christmas Tree, Hideki Irabu 2.0



? He didn’t pitch today.

[oldgoldy97]

? He didn’t pitch today.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22901162/shohei-ohtani-los-angeles-angels-struggles-final-spring-training-game

[Chicosbailbonds]

Sure is a lot of Ohtani hatred on this board and the guy hasn't played a single major league game yet. I can read between the lines here. All of the disgruntled people are simply mad because they don't want to pay the price to play the game. This reluctance to pay can be broken down into a few categories:

Set builders who didn't pre-order even though they knew they should if their goal was to set build. It doesn't matter who is on the checklist does it?

Collectors who like a player other than Ohtani. Now they can't roll the dice so cheaply to get a shot at their prospect. But I guarantee no prospect's base gem auto card will cost more than a hobby case. Well, except maybe Ohtanis if he performs.

Lastly, people who just plain are jealous of people who locked in early and are standing to make a significant profit if they choose to resell at today's prices. Just sour grapes of the worst kind here. They can't admit they are mad at themselves for missing the boat and instead blame Ohtani.

But if Ohtani is so bad, why doesn't the price go down?

I’ll tackle the set building part - to me Ohtani is no different than Trout, Harper, or a random Marlin. Unfortunately he’s not part of the master set, yet we have to pay for his inclusion thru higher prices. I’m not hating on the guy, I’m tired of Heritage drifting from set building to “mojo hits” for flipping. Actually the last few years have cost considerably more to make sets ($100-150 more). The hot phrase I see over and over is “value added” - flip stock, nicknames, superfractors, gold chrome, minis, action throwbacks.....few collect these outside of the top names - and at the expense of set collecting. Sure, I can buy a case, but that doesn’t guarantee a set anymore. There is also no guarantee that a distributor is going to honor the price if you get in right away. It’s plain greed all around. Im sure I’m in the minority because the site appears to be far more flippers and investors and fewer collectors.

[kevinh1919]

Sounds like spuds loaded up on him!!!

:D

[Big35Hurt]

You know you're really confident in your 'investment' when you have to create a new thread bashing the latest hype train like he's the worst prospect in decades after....spring training.

I never pray for anyone's downfall, but it will be a BO exodus of epic proportions if Judge has a sophomore slump this year. The judgeheads are quickly approaching Patriot type levels of intolerable reads.

Quoted for multiple truths! Well done sir.

[cnewby]

Cookies raising his sensitivity to new heights.

This guy sucks btw.

[spuds1961]

Did I misquote you?

Even your new version makes no sense. Is early 2013 on Judge or 2017? Anyone buying Judge from 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and much of 2017 had every opportunity to make a lot of money

Ohtani had his first Bowman card last year and there have been many people making a great deal on Ohtani already.

He may be a bust - way too early for anyone to know - but he is no fraud.

I will admit fraud was a bad choice of words, but it is not Ohtani's fault, how many other poster children have panned out. I think as collector's we are all hoping for that next big iconic card, sadly they are few and far between.

[spuds1961]

Sounds like spuds loaded up on him!!!

:D

Sorry I don't even own one Ohtani card.;)

[hornedfrog1985]

Honestly ohtani is partly to blame. He demanded to pitch and bat in a league that is way more demanding than the one he played in. If that isnt arrogance I dont know what is. He obviously thought hed stroll in here and make it his league. If its me Id ask to have a chance to dh and set some sort of expectations for myself.

So if hes pitching and doesn't go down is he still being run out there to hit? Has he been humbled yet? It will be interesting to see how far he takes it. I for one would love to ser the guy pitch to the tune of an 8 era and .150 ba

Maybe he can be like nick swisher and smiling all huge after he gets a hit after going 1-25 in the playoffs. Be real proud of himself as everyone on his team secretly hates him.

[speedyjg13]

What I don't like is the way he selected what team he would play for. It was a "why should I play for your team" mentality instead of "I'm new, here's what I can offer, you interested?" It's like b*tch, you're brand new, be happy to get picked up by any team with that "I'm better" mentality. Welcome to your 1st spring training, 27.00 ERA & .107 BA....well done Bambi

- angry Angels fan

[oldgoldy97]

A lot of people are hoping to profit off his success so they need to hope he picks it up. I hope he does because I got in on Bowman cheap.

[speedyjg13]

Honestly ohtani is partly to blame. He demanded to pitch and bat in a league that is way more demanding than the one he played in. If that isnt arrogance I dont know what is. He obviously thought hed stroll in here and make it his league. If its me Id ask to have a chance to dh and set some sort of expectations for myself.

So if hes pitching and doesn't go down is he still being run out there to hit? Has he been humbled yet? It will be interesting to see how far he takes it. I for one would love to ser the guy pitch to the tune of an 8 era and .150 ba

Maybe he can be like nick swisher and smiling all huge after he gets a hit after going 1-25 in the playoffs. Be real proud of himself as everyone on his team secretly hates him.
Lol What! That really happen?!?!

[hairysasquatch]

What I don't like is the way he selected what team he would play for. It was a "why should I play for your team" mentality instead of "I'm new, here's what I can offer, you interested?" It's like b*tch, you're brand new, be happy to get picked up by any team with that "I'm better" mentality. Welcome to your 1st spring training, 27.00 ERA & .107 BA....well done Bambi

- angry Angels fan

I would be hacked off if I were an Angels fan, too. I had a funny feeling when the marquee franchises passed on him, and now I suspect Seattle management is heaving sighs of relief. There is still the possibility that he comes back strong at a later date, but he set himself up for this and has only himself to blame.

[VeedonFleece]

So much hate for someone most of us know next to nothing about.

[SDcardguy24]

So much hate for someone most of us know next to nothing about.

Yup, didn't realize how many posters here were personally victimized by Ohtani :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[anusinha]

I dont think Angels are really too sad. They didnt really give up much to sign him, so if he doesnt work out, send him on his way. Its not like they are stuck with a Josh Hamiltonesque contract for a decade nor did they give up a pile of prospects for him.

He didnt too terribly yesterday, his command was off but he only gave up 2 hits in 5 innings. Granted it was against AA-level talent, but really that's where he should be right now.

[Darth Bryzzo]

I dont think Angels are really too sad. They didnt really give up much to sign him, so if he doesnt work out, send him on his way. Its not like they are stuck with a Josh Hamiltonesque contract for a decade nor did they give up a pile of prospects for him.

He didnt too terribly yesterday, his command was off but he only gave up 2 hits in 5 innings. Granted it was against AA-level talent, but really that's where he should be right now.

This is a very fair comment in light of how little they had to pay him at this point, under the CBA rules.

But another dimension of the potential “cost” is what did the Angels otherwise forego in terms of pitching staff augmentation because they expected him to be able to immediately hold down a spot in the starting rotation for the big club?

This year, there are likely some serviceable guys still out there they can sign short term if needed. But for a team that was/is clearly angling to be a serious playoff contender, it wouldn’t be a great development for this year if he took a long time to be ready for prime time. Not necessarily disastrous from an organizational perspective, but certainly not ideal.

[RedMikeC]

I think the only people who are piss are the people who Paid those ridiculous prices for his card - once they drop 80%, I'll think of picking some up.

[hornedfrog1985]

Lol What! That really happen?!?!

It was something like that. I remember him being so proud of himself getting a single as the entire season was over. God i hated him. I think his schtick got him booted from the indians too.

[KhalDrogo]

So much hate for someone most of us know next to nothing about.
Ohtani is the devil and the worst baseball player ever because he tried to look after himself.

I’m sure some of the same people hating on Ohtani are the ones complaining about guys like Acuna starting the season in the minors. This is a business. Deal with it.

Short of being upset about 2018 wax prices, there is no reason to be this angry with the guy. His success would be good for the game and for the hobby. Just about all of us should be rooting for it.

[RedMikeC]

Ohtani is the devil and the worst baseball player ever because he tried to look after himself.

I’m sure some of the same people hating on Ohtani are the ones complaining about guys like Acuna starting the season in the minors. This is a business. Deal with it.

Short of being upset about 2018 wax prices, there is no reason to be this angry with the guy. His success would be good for the game and for the hobby. Just about all of us should be rooting for it.


Personally - I am rooting for him.

I'm just shocked about his prices. Kinda the same feeling of shock I have for NT basketball prices.

.

[Hallco]

The Baseball is hard

[myerscards]

Nope he didn't, but the end result had people profitting on his cardboard. I just feel that Ohtani had too much hype to begin with whereas Judge was never expected to be what he became.

Well you need to become a baseball scout since you know so much. Get off the forum and start scouting.

[spuds1961]

Well you need to become a baseball scout since you know so much. Get off the forum and start scouting.

Ha Ha good one :)!

[imbluestreak23]

Honestly ohtani is partly to blame. He demanded to pitch and bat in a league that is way more demanding than the one he played in. If that isnt arrogance I dont know what is. He obviously thought hed stroll in here and make it his league. If its me Id ask to have a chance to dh and set some sort of expectations for myself.

So if hes pitching and doesn't go down is he still being run out there to hit? Has he been humbled yet? It will be interesting to see how far he takes it. I for one would love to ser the guy pitch to the tune of an 8 era and .150 ba

Maybe he can be like nick swisher and smiling all huge after he gets a hit after going 1-25 in the playoffs. Be real proud of himself as everyone on his team secretly hates him.

So much hate in your heart. Tough life.

[Chicosbailbonds]

It was something like that. I remember him being so proud of himself getting a single as the entire season was over. God i hated him. I think his schtick got him booted from the indians too.

Swisher was a prima Donna on the White Sox also.

[Firerunner4]

Honestly ohtani is partly to blame. He demanded to pitch and bat in a league that is way more demanding than the one he played in. If that isnt arrogance I dont know what is. He obviously thought hed stroll in here and make it his league. If its me Id ask to have a chance to dh and set some sort of expectations for myself.

So if hes pitching and doesn't go down is he still being run out there to hit? Has he been humbled yet? It will be interesting to see how far he takes it. I for one would love to ser the guy pitch to the tune of an 8 era and .150 ba

Maybe he can be like nick swisher and smiling all huge after he gets a hit after going 1-25 in the playoffs. Be real proud of himself as everyone on his team secretly hates him.

Almost like Judgey hitting .050 with 16K's in the ALDS

[BigL7370]

Swisher was a prima Donna on the White Sox also.

All this negative Swisher talk is bound to get someone buzzed up.

[bobthewondercat]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22901162/shohei-ohtani-los-angeles-angels-struggles-final-spring-training-game



Aha, thanks... milb starts aren’t on mlb.com so I was confused

[bobthewondercat]

Just to remind you all, Ohtani picked his team because he forfeited what would have likely been a $200M contract to play for 1/100th of that... to whatever poster said that marquee franchises passed on him, that is dead wrong, everybody offered their maximum except the marlins because they are criminally incompetent and the Orioles because peter Angelos has some cockamamie aversion to international signings.

So impugning his character because he chose his team and “demanded” to pitch and hit is ridiculous. He Won’t pitch and hit on the mlb level if he is unable to do so productively and has no leverage beyond that of any other player. Every team wanted him to play both ways because there was tons of evidence that he would be good.

This spring training has been horrible for him no doubt, and perhaps he will be a massive bust, but he has several years of production in the 2nd highest level of professional baseball in the world that suggests otherwise.

How many other players can you think of that passed up a $100-200M payday??

[bobthewondercat]

Oh and yeah nick swisher is hella annoying

[Chicosbailbonds]

Just to remind you all, Ohtani picked his team because he forfeited what would have likely been a $200M contract to play for 1/100th of that... to whatever poster said that marquee franchises passed on him, that is dead wrong, everybody offered their maximum except the marlins because they are criminally incompetent and the Orioles because peter Angelos has some cockamamie aversion to international signings.

So impugning his character because he chose his team and “demanded” to pitch and hit is ridiculous. He Won’t pitch and hit on the mlb level if he is unable to do so productively and has no leverage beyond that of any other player. Every team wanted him to play both ways because there was tons of evidence that he would be good.

This spring training has been horrible for him no doubt, and perhaps he will be a massive bust, but he has several years of production in the 2nd highest level of professional baseball in the world that suggests otherwise.

How many other players can you think of that passed up a $100-200M payday??
This right here.

[Kobe101]

This right here.

He didn’t really “pass up” on anything... it’s because of his age. If he waited 2 years until he was 25 then he could have signed a massive contract.

Makes me wonder is there a reason he came so soon? Watch him need Tommy John Surgery by June.

I hope the kid plays great!

We will find out soon enough!

[Bretsky]

Swisher was a prima Donna on the White Sox also.

Can't say I miss "dirty thirty" in a sox uniform.

[kevinandji]

I have no real stake in the Ohtani outcome. It was the press that really hyped the next Fraudzilla out of Japan. What I did notice in the piece that Real Sports did on him was that he seemed to be a real cocky guy. His demands of coming to America to both pitch and hit and lack of respect for the U.S. game seemed like he was going to see a bunch of high and tight pitches. Lose that smiling smirk and do something before you say too much...Ichiro must want to slap this kid?

I guess the Japanese mix of Chapman and Judge is not clicking yet...no doubt it will happen? Uh...maybe not...

[Jaypers]

Sorry I don't even own one Ohtani card.;)

Hence the hatred.

[spuds1961]

Hence the hatred.

No hence the gladness, as I would've sold them anyway and at least now I don't have to worry about a return saying item not as described. :cool:

[cnewby]

No hence the gladness, as I would've sold them anyway and at least now I don't have to worry about a return saying item not as described. :cool:

Whats funny is if he were lighting it up in ST, you'd have plenty of threads/posts pumping him up by people just trying to make $$$ off him. :rolleyes:

You're affecting their bottom line by creating this thread....hence the hatred. :)!

[hornedfrog1985]

He didn’t really “pass up” on anything... it’s because of his age. If he waited 2 years until he was 25 then he could have signed a massive contract.

Makes me wonder is there a reason he came so soon? Watch him need Tommy John Surgery by June.

I hope the kid plays great!

We will find out soon enough!

I think his arrogance assumed he would sign a mega deal in like 5 years when he had his first few cy youngs and batting titles. Lets get real here. This kid is making an absolute fortune in endorsements right now.

[Bulls90s]

Oh and yeah nick swisher is hella annoying

Indeed!

He yelled at the ump for calling third strike every time like how dare you Im Nick Swisher when he was with the Indians :rolleyes: I never seen a man scared shitless to swing his bat with two strikes on him. He knew he couldnt hit anymore! ..man, I couldnt stand him! I was thrilled when they traded his sorry ass during the season.

[vwnut13]

He yelled at the ump for calling third strike every time like how dare you Im Nick Swisher when he was with the Indians :rolleyes: I never seen a man scared shitless to swing his bat with two strikes on him. He knew he couldnt hit anymore! ..man, I couldnt stand him! I was thrilled when they traded his sorry ass during the season.


Remember when he pretended to be excited to sign with Cleveland?

[Bulls90s]

Remember when he pretended to be excited to sign with Cleveland?

:doh:

[majestik101]

Funny that 99% of you are all prematurely giving up on Ohtani after one spring training.

Let's revisit this once he gets called up to the Bigs after playing lights out in the minors. I bet your tune will change.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Starting Sunday night at Oakland.

[bobthewondercat]

He didn’t really “pass up” on anything... it’s because of his age. If he waited 2 years until he was 25 then he could have signed a massive contract.



Makes me wonder is there a reason he came so soon? Watch him need Tommy John Surgery by June.



I hope the kid plays great!



We will find out soon enough!



He passed up a huge free agent deal in 2 years. If he needed TJ this year even more reason to stay in Japan then sign a huge deal in mlb after he recovers.

I’m not saying he’s mother Teresa, but this is the last guy in mlb that should be thought of as selfish or greedy. He is under team control at the minimum or arbitrated salary for 6-7 years now.

[callou2131]

Indeed!

I never seen a man scared shitless to swing his bat with two strikes on him..

Seen Chris Davis his last two years??

[ksemmel]

Well purchased a red ink ohtani heritage last night, so here is hoping he kills it until I sell it

[notoriousrmb]

He's 23 guys, not 32.

Let's revisit this in a year or two and see where he is.

[Darth Bryzzo]

Anyone have any insight into how his struggles so far are being spun in Japanese media?

[Spartacus]

My thought is he will continue to struggle and be sent down to the minors at some point. I think it will dawn on him to focus on pitching more then hitting since this isn't Japan. Next year we will see if he can handle the MLB and become what the media thought he could be.

[treehillkitty]

I'm going to have to spend some time on this forum reading some opinions to spark some discussions for the podcast.

[Pearce77]

I'm going to have to spend some time on this forum reading some opinions to spark some discussions for the podcast.

You should have the OP (spuds) on as a guest.

[elephantman1237]

Spring training stats mean nothing.

Joey Votto's spring line:


.167 Avg
0 HR
4 RBI
0 SB
.529 OPS

Dude is a washed up bust! :rolleyes:

[spuds1961]

You should have the OP (spuds) on as a guest.

No Thank You, I wish I never started this thread.:doh:

[Bowman1951]

No Thank You, I wish I never started this thread.:doh:You said something that incendiary as a topic, and you didn't expect this to happen?!

[spuds1961]

You said something that incendiary as a topic, and you didn't expect this to happen?!

I expected replies but not as many. :eek:

[hornedfrog1985]

My prediction he sucks for the rest of the year, has tommy john surgery, and doesnt come back until hes 26.

[hornedfrog1985]

Spring training stats mean nothing.

Joey Votto's spring line:


.167 Avg
0 HR
4 RBI
0 SB
.529 OPS

Dude is a washed up bust! :rolleyes:

He actually could be done. He is 34.

[majestik101]

My prediction he sucks for the rest of the year, has tommy john surgery, and doesnt come back until hes 26.

Excellent analysis. Sign this man to an ESPN contract.

[harper34nats]

According to his card prices he's the best pitcher in the world. Shohei GOATani

[kookoox10]

My how the tables have turned. Appears his 18 Heritage Real One blue autos are in the $500 arena while the red autos have plummeted to the $1500 level since release. Have they bottomed out...who knows!

[moosetequila]

See sig-

[hornedfrog1985]

Excellent analysis. Sign this man to an ESPN contract.Im better than you.

Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

[wickedliquids]

Damn it - he's playing Sunday, Easter Sunday in Oakland, minutes away from me and I can't gooooooooooo https://www.yahoo.com/sports/shohei-ohtani-made-angels-will-likely-hit-pitches-162042322.html

For those of you have never been to an A's game, tickets are hella cheap....ugh....

[texmcpherson]

He actually could be done. He is 34.

Same age as Aaron Judge

[Firerunner4]

The man is the DH today on opening day! Heck yeah! He's gonna hit a dinger today

[Rooftop]

The man is the DH today on opening day! Heck yeah! He's gonna hit a dinger today

Only thing he's dinging today is the Saki after the game :)!

[Hallco]

The man is the DH today on opening day! Heck yeah! He's gonna hit a dinger today

If he hits a home run today blowout will implode! Lol!

[peterose4hof]

Not very often you see a DH hitting 8th.

[cnewby]

If he hits a home run today blowout will implode! Lol!

And if he doesn't get a hit, you'll hear more excuses. :)!

[awz50]

He actually could be done. He is 34.

Uh Huh

Whatever you say

[Hallco]

And if he doesn't get a hit, you'll hear more excuses. :)!

I'm guessing this thread will have replies with every pitch! :doh:

[cnewby]

I'm guessing this thread will have replies with every pitch! :doh:

Aaron Judge thread 2.0?

[seabass97166]

Aaron Judge thread 2.0?

Nothing can be that bad!

[ThoseBackPages]

#OHRISE!!!!!

[cnewby]

#ItsOHVERtani

[Hallco]

#OHRISE!!!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/12ZDIx1Mw1cXVm/giphy.gif

[festus]

If he hits a home run today blowout will implode! Lol!

Implode?

[caflisch78]

Career 1.000 MLB hitter!

[DaBears 1985]

beat me to it :,(

[RedMikeC]

A HIT!!!! LOL

[ThoseBackPages]

SINGLE!

[begsu1013]

on the first pitch, too.

[caflisch78]

On pace for 324 hits!

[cnewby]

Buy buy buy!!!!

[awz50]

Silencing the haters lol

[Firerunner4]

GOAT!!!!!! Legendary

[Jaypers]

That's it. Quit now. Go back to the mound.

[ninjacookies]

#fraud #myjudgecardsbetterthanyourotanis

[Vintagecollect]

#HOFBOUND

[cnewby]

#fraud #myjudgecardsbetterthanyourotanis

Triggered.

[Firerunner4]

Triggered.

:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!

[ninjacookies]

Triggered.

Lol, defending Judge's honor at every turn.

Hope he's paying you well for your services. :)!

[imbluestreak23]

> than Trout

[cnewby]

Lol, defending Judge's honor at every turn.

Hope he's paying you well for your services. :)!

Basketball season has raised your sensitivity level to new heights. Good luck with that.

[ninjacookies]

Basketball season has raised your sensitivity level to new heights. Good luck with that.

Says the guy who obviously was triggered enough to quote and reply to both my posts in this thread when I had nothing directed at you.

lololol.

It is far too easy to get the Judgeheads rollin, even in such nonsensical, unrelated posts such as the OP's.

[cnewby]

Says the guy who obviously was triggered enough to quote and reply to both my posts in this thread when I had nothing directed at you.

lololol.

It is far too easy to get the Judgeheads rollin, even in such nonsensical, unrelated posts such as the OP's.

Lonzo4president. :)!

[ninjacookies]

Lonzo4president. :)!

#shootslikejudgestrikesout :)!

[cnewby]

#shootslikejudgestrikesout :)!

Looking forward to seeing his ROY like Judges as well. :coffee::coffee::coffee:

[ninjacookies]

Looking forward to seeing his ROY like Judges as well. :coffee::coffee::coffee:

They've both been historically bad through an extended stretch of their rookie seasons.

Lavar should demand Judge take a DNA test...a 4th brother may be in the cards.

[gamboooler]

"Judgeheads" living rent free in other people's heads... typically the type with dozens of posts per day it seems.

[ninjacookies]

"Judgeheads" living rent free in other people's heads... typically the type with dozens of posts per day it seems.

Your signature makes your argument that much more valid and unbiased.

God bless.

[spuds1961]

Says the guy who obviously was triggered enough to quote and reply to both my posts in this thread when I had nothing directed at you.

lololol.

It is far too easy to get the Judgeheads rollin, even in such nonsensical, unrelated posts such as the OP's.

It's such a nonsensical thread with over 9,000 views and the responses seem to be fairly even on both sides, sorry your sensitive side finds it nonsensical I will try and make my next thread better. :cool:

[Miz]

I love lamp

[SDcardguy24]

Nice to see him get his first career out of the way early. I can only imagine this thread if he started out going 0-fer for a few games

#fraud #myjudgecardsbetterthanyourotanis

they're just happy that there's a new whipping boy in the league to get all the criticism

[majestik101]

#fraud #myjudgecardsbetterthanyourotanis

If you're gonna talk smack at least spell the name correctly.

[hofcollector2]

He hit better than Trout today

[spuds1961]

He hit better than Trout today

Oh My :eek:

[gamboooler]

More pitching, less hitting. That first inning was filthy.

[seabass97166]

Showtime

[ThoseBackPages]

BUY MOARER!

but seriously, the hobby and pitchers ... eh

[ThoseBackPages]

spoke too soon

[ninjacookies]

Lol god this thread is aging well.

'Grats OP on the tremendously insightful analysis.

[spuds1961]

Lol god this thread is aging well.

'Grats OP on the tremendously insightful analysis.

I am glad he is doing well, just remember it is a long season with ups and downs, remember how horrible Judge was after the all-star break only to resurface in September to break the rookie home run record.:)!

[ninjacookies]

I am glad he is doing well, just remember it is a long season with ups and downs, remember how horrible Judge was after the all-star break only to resurface in September to break the rookie home run record.:)!

I'm still a bit confused why the constant referencing of Judge if this has nothing to do with protecting an investment? :confused:

And why does Judge get the free pass from your same overpriced criticisms? It is easy to pick and choose whatever time frame to suit your argument when it comes to viewing the hobby in retrospect.

I don't recall you posting a thread feeling sorry for all the people who got burned buying into his peak hype prices during the AS break, only to lose basically 50-75% afterwards. Now THAT was a loss of epic proportions.

Who's to say where either of the two will be 1, 2...6 years down the road. Their cards could end up being worth a micro fraction what they are currently. Nobody knows.

[spuds1961]

I'm still a bit confused why the constant referencing of Judge if this has nothing to do with protecting an investment? :confused:

And why does Judge get the free pass from your same overpriced criticisms? It is easy to pick and choose whatever time frame to suit your argument when it comes to viewing the hobby in retrospect.

I don't recall you posting a thread feeling sorry for all the people who got burned buying into his peak hype prices during the AS break, only to lose basically 50-75% afterwards. Now THAT was a loss of epic proportions.

Who's to say where either of the two will be 1, 2...6 years down the road. Their cards could end up being worth a micro fraction what they are currently. Nobody knows.

Yep you bring up good points and yep lots of people lost money on Judge during his slump. I do not collect for profit but I do collect Yankees cards some pan out and some don't. I started this thread as more of a knock on the card manufacturer's for raising the price of product right out of the gate, it was titled poorly as I should have worded it card manufacturer's are expecting a lot from Shohei Ohtani. I also didn't realize how many Sho-Gun Warriors are out there.;)

[caflisch78]

I feel sorry for people spending money on 2018 product that is highly overpriced because of this fraud, at least Judge got you your money back.

Love that this was only a mere 12 days ago. :doh:

[spuds1961]

Love that this was only a mere 12 days ago. :doh:

Yep I already admitted in the Shohei thread I am eating a lot of crow, but at least I haven't went into hiding. I will admit when I am wrong.:)!

[majestik101]

Mods feel free to delete this thread any time

[spuds1961]

Mods feel free to delete this thread any time

Thanks majestic, I feel the same way.:)!

[ninjacookies]

I do not collect for profit but I do collect Yankees cards some pan out and some don't. I started this thread as more of a knock on the card manufacturer's for raising the price of product right out of the gate, it was titled poorly as I should have worded it card manufacturer's are expecting a lot from Shohei Ohtani.

I feel sorry for people spending money on 2018 product that is highly overpriced because of this fraud, at least Judge got you your money back.

Based on your OP and other replies ITT it sounds like the entire premise of this thread was based off of 'profit.'

And it certainly was not a knock on the manufacturers, it was solely a smear campaign by you to try and imply Ohtani himself was a 'bust' and fraud after a whole few weeks of ST ball.

But of course, you did not do a thing to mask your motives from the slew of praises in the Judge megathread...so you had to make it clear Judge was the benchmark, even though he is pretty much the epitome of a hot and cold streak hitter.

Might as well just say Trout is the best ROI bargain in the history of the game and people were foolish for investing in any other prospect since 2011. Since we all have the privilege of hindsight vision...

If Judge slumps, it's probably:

>he's a damn rookie, have patience
>b-b-b-ut...his shoulder
>slumps are a part of the ups and downs of baseball

I'm not sure if any of this is resonating, but it'd probably be best to refrain from making these kinds of posts again if you don't want to subject yourself to the ridicule.

And the Ohtani warriors remark was a weak defense mechanism. You think the people pointing out your flawed logic are all Shohei superfans, including the resident mod Houdini? Makes sense.

Ironic thing is, I don't see too many Ohtani fans creating new off color remarks about Judge just to raise Ohtani stock....

You could have made this thread '_playerx__ ain't crap' after exhibition ball and still would have looked just as foolish. It's best not to dig yourself a deeper hole with more replies, man.

[Big35Hurt]

Based on your OP and other replies ITT it sounds like the entire premise of this thread was based off of 'profit.'

And it certainly was not a knock on the manufacturers, it was solely a smear campaign by you to try and imply Ohtani himself was a 'bust' and fraud after a whole few weeks of ST ball.

But of course, you did not do a thing to mask your motives from the slew of praises in the Judge megathread...so you had to make it clear Judge was the benchmark, even though he is pretty much the epitome of a hot and cold streak hitter.

Might as well just say Trout is the best ROI bargain in the history of the game and people were foolish for investing in any other prospect since 2011. Since we all have the privilege of hindsight vision...

If Judge slumps, it's probably:

>he's a damn rookie, have patience
>b-b-b-ut...his shoulder
>slumps are a part of the ups and downs of baseball

I'm not sure if any of this is resonating, but it'd probably be best to refrain from making these kinds of posts again if you don't want to subject yourself to the ridicule.

And the Ohtani warriors remark was a weak defense mechanism. You think the people pointing out your flawed logic are all Shohei superfans, including the resident mod Houdini? Makes sense.

Ironic thing is, I don't see too many Ohtani fans creating new off color remarks about Judge just to raise Ohtani stock....

You could have made this thread '_playerx__ ain't crap' after exhibition ball and still would have looked just as foolish. It's best not to dig yourself a deeper hole with more replies, man.

Oh boy....you just done riled up all them there Judgeheads! Be prepared to be called a hater, snowflake, cupcake, or troll. Did I miss any?

[ThoseBackPages]

Oh boy....you just done riled up all them there Judgeheads! Be prepared to be called a hater, snowflake, cupcake, or troll. Did I miss any?

you got it covered SJ!

[cnewby]

you got it covered SJ!

He forgot salty. :)!

[ninjacookies]

Oh boy....you just done riled up all them there Judgeheads! Be prepared to be called a hater, snowflake, cupcake, or troll. Did I miss any?

My ROI cape is locked and loaded. :)!

[spuds1961]

Based on your OP and other replies ITT it sounds like the entire premise of this thread was based off of 'profit.'

And it certainly was not a knock on the manufacturers, it was solely a smear campaign by you to try and imply Ohtani himself was a 'bust' and fraud after a whole few weeks of ST ball.

But of course, you did not do a thing to mask your motives from the slew of praises in the Judge megathread...so you had to make it clear Judge was the benchmark, even though he is pretty much the epitome of a hot and cold streak hitter.

Might as well just say Trout is the best ROI bargain in the history of the game and people were foolish for investing in any other prospect since 2011. Since we all have the privilege of hindsight vision...

If Judge slumps, it's probably:

>he's a damn rookie, have patience
>b-b-b-ut...his shoulder
>slumps are a part of the ups and downs of baseball

I'm not sure if any of this is resonating, but it'd probably be best to refrain from making these kinds of posts again if you don't want to subject yourself to the ridicule.

And the Ohtani warriors remark was a weak defense mechanism. You think the people pointing out your flawed logic are all Shohei superfans, including the resident mod Houdini? Makes sense.

Ironic thing is, I don't see too many Ohtani fans creating new off color remarks about Judge just to raise Ohtani stock....

You could have made this thread '_playerx__ ain't crap' after exhibition ball and still would have looked just as foolish. It's best not to dig yourself a deeper hole with more replies, man.

Obviously you are the one obsessed with trying to read into me. I had my reasons for saying what I said and even offered you an olive branch but here you are still coming after me. I see you find it easy to argue when you think you know everything but seriously you don't know much about me or my reasoning.

[palmetto7]

As I tell everyone....Judge,Harper,Trout,Bryant suck.....sell your cards now....ty

[Chrisyork33]

What if he did carry crap doe?

[spuds1961]

What if he did carry crap doe?

He would be the poster boy for 2018 products and sales which he is fastly becoming.

[Orange October]

Already reminding me of last years Joe Mauer thread

[Boo]

What if he did carry crap doe?

I guess he would stink

[ninjacookies]

Obviously you are the one obsessed with trying to read into me. I had my reasons for saying what I said and even offered you an olive branch but here you are still coming after me. I see you find it easy to argue when you think you know everything but seriously you don't know much about me or my reasoning.

I made less than a handful of replies pointing out your fallacies, and you continue to deflect.

The olive branch was a cute gesture, but I'm not Tarzan.


I still love you, but you need to stop this type of nonsense.

[hairysasquatch]

What if he did carry crap doe?

I carry crap when I walk my dog.

[texmcpherson]

Thread in result of someone taking Spring Training stats too serious

[spuds1961]

I made less than a handful of replies pointing out your fallacies, and you continue to deflect.

The olive branch was a cute gesture, but I'm not Tarzan.


I still love you, but you need to stop this type of nonsense.

Thank you for pointing out my fallacies, but I was wrong about judging him based on spring training but I am also not the only person who ever read a player wrong. I am not deflecting as I am still here, and until this 3 game hot streak nobody seemed that high on Ohtani.

[ThoseBackPages]

i am not a buyer, but he can only do good for the hobby

2018 is already ruined for Heritage and will probably be bad for other products, but unfortunately im not a big fan of non-heritage

[imbluestreak23]

Can't wait to get my Heritage Action back from PSA :)! :)!

[ThoseBackPages]

Can't wait to get my Heritage Action back from PSA :)! :)!

any non Ohtani's sent in? :D

[Eckstein197]

I am glad he is doing well, just remember it is a long season with ups and downs, remember how horrible Judge was after the all-star break only to resurface in September to break the rookie home run record.:)!

So we shouldn't jump to conclusions after a small game sample size?

Pot calling the kettle black there.

[Eckstein197]

Already reminding me of last years Joe Mauer thread

That's an absolutely legendary thread. So many years involved in that as well

[imbluestreak23]

any non Ohtani's sent in? :D

Oh man, some scrub named Acuna and a #ALLRISE :)!

[ThoseBackPages]

Oh man, some scrub named Acuna and a #ALLRISE :)!

NICE!

let me know if any 9s appear!

[Eckstein197]

NICE!

let me know if any 9s appear!

Why are you chasing 9s, I hear all the cool kids are chasing 7s nowadays;)

[TimBuckTwo]

#ALL RISE !!!!!

[ninjacookies]

Thank you for pointing out my fallacies, but I was wrong about judging him based on spring training but I am also not the only person who ever read a player wrong. I am not deflecting as I am still here, and until this 3 game hot streak nobody seemed that high on Ohtani.

We are all good. It happens.

Just can't understand why we all can't enjoy the crop of new talent in the game and root for their success. It's healthy and makes watching fun.

Hell, I've even had a few good words in the Judge thread (*gasp* amirite?)

[ThoseBackPages]

Why are you chasing 9s, I hear all the cool kids are chasing 7s nowadays;)

hell yea, i'll take any non-10!

[spuds1961]

We are all good. It happens.

Just can't understand why we all can't enjoy the crop of new talent in the game and root for their success. It's healthy and makes watching fun.

Hell, I've even had a few good words in the Judge thread (*gasp* amirite?)

Thank you and I am rooting for a lot of the newer crop I have a nice benintendi collection without even trying seems like I pulled him in everything. I am partial to the 2017 class as there were a lot of players carrying that year. I haven't been able to find gypsy queen by me yet but I am sure that is the product I will pull my first Ohtani card from. I hope Ohtani continues to do well but I also want to see some other players from this years class get some love.

[ninjacookies]

Thank you and I am rooting for a lot of the newer crop I have a nice benintendi collection without even trying seems like I pulled him in everything. I am partial to the 2017 class as there were a lot of players carrying that year. I haven't been able to find gypsy queen by me yet but I am sure that is the product I will pull my first Ohtani card from. I hope Ohtani continues to do well but I also want to see some other players from this years class get some love.

The talent pool is loaded. Same with basketball. It's incredible to witness as a spectator. You even have second tier, lesser hyped guys like Devers and Hoskins with huge upside.

It's a great time to be a fan.

[spuds1961]

The talent pool is loaded. Same with basketball. It's incredible to witness as a spectator. You even have second tier, lesser hyped guys like Devers and Hoskins with huge upside.

It's a great time to be a fan.

What's cool is when you go thru older cards you have and find cards of guys you didn't even know had cards for that year, I didn't realize Devers had bowman cards in earlier products and Hoskins was in panini earlier than I thought.

[ziggyz129]

OT is showing us his tits.