$5 Paypal to help me identify patch piece

[carlociv]

I need help identifying this Wilt Chamberlain patch piece, I have looked at every game worn Lakers jersey I can find and the materials on them do not seem to match up to the rough looking materials used on this patch. Im willing to pay $5 paypal to anybody who can show me a jersey that this would have came from! thanks

[KevJo]

Looks like its going to be event or player worn vs game worn. The material that is made of was probably not around when Wilt played. It looks like a nameplate or number piece. You do not have to pay people to get advice on here. People are helpful!

Kevin

[ikelove500]

I think someone told me once that even if it says game worn on the back, it doesn’t necessarily mean by the player on the card unless it states the player wore it. I could be wrong. Hopefully someone with better knowledge can chime in.

[carlociv]

Just to clarify, it does say “Game Worn by WILT CHAMBERLAIN in an NBA Game”

[blinkme323]

It looks like it could possibly be from a warm-up jacket?

http://scp-auctions.dev.bwmmedia.com/1971-72-wilt-chamberlain-los-angeles-lakers-championship-season-game-worn-warm-up-jacket-bidding-begins-august-3-2016/

[KevJo]

Hopefully the patch has remained original, because that material is the new new stuff they use. Back when wilt played it was probably flannel with screen printed numbers.

I have said enough, back to the football area LOL.

Kevin

[cardmole]

Hard to tell, but why couldn't it be from a jersey similar to what shows in the picture on your card-maybe from around collar area or name on back?

[carlociv]

Hopefully the patch has remained original, because that material is the new new stuff they use. Back when wilt played it was probably flannel with screen printed numbers.

I have said enough, back to the football area LOL.

Kevin


Well all Wilt upper deck patches in the 2004-05 Season show this kind of material in the patches. For it to be faked would also mean every other Wilt patch from that year has been altered. Which doesn’t seem realistic

[carlociv]

Hard to tell, but why couldn't it be from a jersey similar to what shows in the picture on your card-maybe from around collar area or name on back?

It very well could be, but I have searched for Wilt game worn Laker’s jerseys and none that I have found matches the materials used on this patch

[Earvin32]

The have used shorts and warm up pants also in cards over the years. I would look at the purple vertical stripe on the shorts to see if it matches on a home pair of shorts.

[marinocollector]

Well all Wilt upper deck patches in the 2004-05 Season show this kind of material in the patches. For it to be faked would also mean every other Wilt patch from that year has been altered. Which doesn’t seem realistic

Upper Deck bought a lot of fake stuff.

Sometimes knowingly.

[carlociv]

Upper Deck bought a lot of fake stuff.

Sometimes knowingly.

Yeah I know, mostly in baseball (Jeter) but I know it spread across all sports. But the stitching on this patch is so “low quality” and old time looking. My thinking would be if it was a fake patch it would have newer looking stitiching from like a Mitchell Ness jersey ????

[kb 24]

Edit: if it's game used, it should be from that type of jersey (as Will shared the link) although the color seems more like the warm-up.

Warm-up
https://image.ibb.co/dq0Gop/imgonline_com_ua_twotoone_Hq_JAEVl_BK5lt_HWX.jpg


Game
https://preview.ibb.co/i5fMM9/imgonline_com_ua_twotoone_s_Ifkv_F3hw_IBX.jpg

[WillC]

Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/1968_1973_wilt_chamberlain_los_angeles_lakers_game-lot95597.aspx#

[cardmole]

Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/1968_1973_wilt_chamberlain_los_angeles_lakers_game-lot95597.aspx#

Good call-I could definitely see this patch as being a small chunk out of the edge of one of the letters on front or back.

[carlociv]

Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/1968_1973_wilt_chamberlain_los_angeles_lakers_game-lot95597.aspx#

That’s actually the exact one I was conparing the patch too, however if you match up the yellow “jersey” materials up when zoomed up close. They look nothing alike, the patch has a diagonal patter within the yellow and on this jersey from Mears the yellow almost appears to have a sponge like texture with no pattern to it...very confusing

[WillC]

That’s actually the exact one I was conparing the patch too, however if you match up the yellow “jersey” materials up when zoomed up close. They look nothing alike, the patch has a diagonal patter within the yellow and on this jersey from Mears the yellow almost appears to have a sponge like texture with no pattern to it...very confusing

Are you looking at the zoomed in 4th picture of the tag? If so, I wouldn't, as that shows the inside of the jersey, which might potentially have a different texture/finish to the outside.

The other photos don't clearly show the yellow material pattern/texture, even when zoomed in.

It could always be the case that the material differed slightly year by year.

[carlociv]

Are you looking at the zoomed in 4th picture of the tag? If so, I wouldn't, as that shows the inside of the jersey, which might potentially have a different texture/finish to the outside.

The other photos don't clearly show the yellow material pattern/texture, even when zoomed in.

It could always be the case that the material differed slightly year by year.

The tag is on the outside of the jersey, even on the autographed slide of the front it looks the same. Im just unable to find any jersey Wilt wore that matches the patch. And knowing UD did have a memorabilia scandal makes me hesiatant

[WillC]

The tag is on the outside of the jersey, even on the autographed slide of the front it looks the same. Im just unable to find any jersey Wilt wore that matches the patch. And knowing UD did have a memorabilia scandal makes me hesiatant

My mistake, you're right about the tag being on the outside of the jersey, not the inside.

Did you buy the card in the opening post? I've seen it on eBay a couple of times recently.

[carlociv]

My mistake, you're right about the tag being on the outside of the jersey, not the inside.

Did you buy the card in the opening post? I've seen it on eBay a couple of times recently.

Have not , yet

[Ewing8888]

I believe it's 2004-05 UD Upper Deck. This card looks somewhat similar

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-05-UD-Upper-Deck-SP-Game-Used-3-Color-Jersey-Patch-Jamal-Crawford-054-100/263946939532?hash=item3d7476ac8c:g:ajsAAOSwpkFY5aqB:rk:28:pf:0

[carlociv]

I believe it's 2004-05 UD Upper Deck. This card looks somewhat similar

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-05-UD-Upper-Deck-SP-Game-Used-3-Color-Jersey-Patch-Jamal-Crawford-054-100/263946939532?hash=item3d7476ac8c:g:ajsAAOSwpkFY5aqB:rk:28:pf:0

Yes it is, Im not trying to identify the product. But the jersey the swatch came from. Thanks

[goehring9]

I can’t help with the jersey but I can say the texture and stitching looks similar to my Ultimate Collection Wilt patches


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[Deadshot]

The cloth looks accurate for the time period. There's actually a name for it - cheesecloth.

[carlociv]

Wow the help so far is overwhelming, but I still have this weariness about the patch being un-authentic “not after market faked” but straight from UD . I cannot find anything from any year of Lakers jerseys that matches this material. And the collar seam patches of Wilt from the same year (2004) I located them on a non-authentic replica jersey. But on the game worns the collar was much thicker .... very suspect

[Deadshot]

I can't find the Wilt right now, but I think this could very well be the jacket they used for the Russell. The nameplate matches the letterman cards they made for him as well. At the very least, this could help narrow down some of the skepticism about UD source material in general.

http://www.100percentauthentic.com/Certificates/Details/Early-1960s-Bill-Russell-Game-Worn-Warm-up-Jacket-with-Photo-Match--6593/6593

http://www.100percentauthentic.com/pics/6593_01_lg.jpg

[carlociv]

I can't find the Wilt right now, but I think this could very well be the jacket they used for the Russell. The nameplate matches the letterman cards they made for him as well. At the very least, this could help narrow down some of the skepticism about UD source material in general.

http://www.100percentauthentic.com/Certificates/Details/Early-1960s-Bill-Russell-Game-Worn-Warm-up-Jacket-with-Photo-Match--6593/6593

http://www.100percentauthentic.com/pics/6593_01_lg.jpg

I actually saw that and it got me thinking about the Wilt letter cards from mid 2000’s SP Game Used. If you study the 11 Letters made in the cards, by no means do they even remotely match up with how the letters actually looked on wilt’s gamers, not even close. I will post a few examples. Let’s use this game worn jersey as the “authentic” piece to compare to

[carlociv]

Example #1, the “M” letter patch... the middle of the M goes almost all the way down to the 2 sides of the M and meets it at the bottom. On the jersey, and all other Wilt game worns I could find, the M middle only goes to about the midway point and stops.

[carlociv]

Example #2, the spaces in the middle of the “B” in this patch card are very wide and almost square shaped, on wilt’s actual gamer the spaces in the middle of the B are very thin and almost non existent

[carlociv]

Example #3, same instance as the “B” example but this time with the “R” the gap is once again much larger on the card letter than on the actual game worn jersey

[honusteve]

howdy Carlociv, what a dilemma ! here is what i believe to part of an 'A', imo looks similar to the other dual patches, and to the Letterman patches. imo it DOES NOT look like the 'A's on the Mears Autographed Game-Used Jersey or the 'A' from the photo of the Baylor warm up jacket. i would like to to see what the 'A's from the Letterman set look like, but i will add a couple of thoughts. from a quick look at some old photos it looks like there were a couple of different jerseys the Wilt wore during his tenure with the Lakers, although it's tough to find pics of him from behind. the part of the 'A' does look 'old' and what i would expect to see from a game-used piece, although there is no yellow to compare. on the other hand, having used all of the letters in the Nameplate set means they would have had to have at least 2 jerseys, assuming the Lettermans were game-used and not from a warm-up. just my 2 cents

[carlociv]

howdy Carlociv, what a dilemma ! here is what i believe to part of an 'A', imo looks similar to the other dual patches, and to the Letterman patches. imo it DOES NOT look like the 'A's on the Mears Autographed Game-Used Jersey or the 'A' from the photo of the Baylor warm up jacket. i would like to to see what the 'A's from the Letterman set look like, but i will add a couple of thoughts. from a quick look at some old photos it looks like there were a couple of different jerseys the Wilt wore during his tenure with the Lakers, although it's tough to find pics of him from behind. the part of the 'A' does look 'old' and what i would expect to see from a game-used piece, although there is no yellow to compare. on the other hand, having used all of the letters in the Nameplate set means they would have had to have at least 2 jerseys, assuming the Lettermans were game-used and not from a warm-up. just my 2 cents


Some interesting points, thanks for your comments. Was hoping to hear what others had to say

[Deadshot]

I've been thinking about this more over the last couple of days. I just emailed Upper Deck to see if they have any information. I don't expect any real answers, but it's worth a quick try.

[carlociv]

I've been thinking about this more over the last couple of days. I just emailed Upper Deck to see if they have any information. I don't expect any real answers, but it's worth a quick try.

Wow that would be interesting to see a response

[Deadshot]

Wow that would be interesting to see a response

Here's what I got:

Hello Kyle,

Unfortunately due to the age of the item, we no longer have this information readily available. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Best regards,

Connor Yingling

This implies that they should have the provenance information for their newer cards, but I wouldn't count on it.