$5 Paypal to help me identify patch piece

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 12:18 PM

I need help identifying this Wilt Chamberlain patch piece, I have looked at every game worn Lakers jersey I can find and the materials on them do not seem to match up to the rough looking materials used on this patch. Im willing to pay $5 paypal to anybody who can show me a jersey that this would have came from! thanks

KevJo · 10-09-2018, 12:26 PM

Looks like its going to be event or player worn vs game worn. The material that is made of was probably not around when Wilt played. It looks like a nameplate or number piece. You do not have to pay people to get advice on here. People are helpful!

Kevin

ikelove500 · 10-09-2018, 12:41 PM

I think someone told me once that even if it says game worn on the back, it doesn’t necessarily mean by the player on the card unless it states the player wore it. I could be wrong. Hopefully someone with better knowledge can chime in.

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 12:49 PM

Just to clarify, it does say “Game Worn by WILT CHAMBERLAIN in an NBA Game”

blinkme323 · 10-09-2018, 12:53 PM

It looks like it could possibly be from a warm-up jacket?

http://scp-auctions.dev.bwmmedia.com...august-3-2016/

KevJo · 10-09-2018, 12:53 PM

Hopefully the patch has remained original, because that material is the new new stuff they use. Back when wilt played it was probably flannel with screen printed numbers.

I have said enough, back to the football area LOL.

Kevin

cardmole · 10-09-2018, 12:59 PM

Hard to tell, but why couldn't it be from a jersey similar to what shows in the picture on your card-maybe from around collar area or name on back?

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KevJo

Hopefully the patch has remained original, because that material is the new new stuff they use. Back when wilt played it was probably flannel with screen printed numbers.

I have said enough, back to the football area LOL.

Kevin

Well all Wilt upper deck patches in the 2004-05 Season show this kind of material in the patches. For it to be faked would also mean every other Wilt patch from that year has been altered. Which doesn’t seem realistic

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cardmole

Hard to tell, but why couldn't it be from a jersey similar to what shows in the picture on your card-maybe from around collar area or name on back?

It very well could be, but I have searched for Wilt game worn Laker’s jerseys and none that I have found matches the materials used on this patch

Earvin32 · 10-09-2018, 01:15 PM

The have used shorts and warm up pants also in cards over the years. I would look at the purple vertical stripe on the shorts to see if it matches on a home pair of shorts.

marinocollector · 10-09-2018, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by carlociv

Well all Wilt upper deck patches in the 2004-05 Season show this kind of material in the patches. For it to be faked would also mean every other Wilt patch from that year has been altered. Which doesn’t seem realistic

Upper Deck bought a lot of fake stuff.

Sometimes knowingly.

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by marinocollector

Upper Deck bought a lot of fake stuff.

Sometimes knowingly.

Yeah I know, mostly in baseball (Jeter) but I know it spread across all sports. But the stitching on this patch is so “low quality” and old time looking. My thinking would be if it was a fake patch it would have newer looking stitiching from like a Mitchell Ness jersey ????

kb 24 · 10-09-2018, 02:06 PM

Edit: if it's game used, it should be from that type of jersey (as Will shared the link) although the color seems more like the warm-up.

Warm-up

Game

WillC · 10-09-2018, 02:59 PM

Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...lot95597.aspx#

cardmole · 10-09-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...lot95597.aspx#

Good call-I could definitely see this patch as being a small chunk out of the edge of one of the letters on front or back.

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...lot95597.aspx#

That’s actually the exact one I was conparing the patch too, however if you match up the yellow “jersey” materials up when zoomed up close. They look nothing alike, the patch has a diagonal patter within the yellow and on this jersey from Mears the yellow almost appears to have a sponge like texture with no pattern to it...very confusing

WillC · 10-09-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by carlociv

That’s actually the exact one I was conparing the patch too, however if you match up the yellow “jersey” materials up when zoomed up close. They look nothing alike, the patch has a diagonal patter within the yellow and on this jersey from Mears the yellow almost appears to have a sponge like texture with no pattern to it...very confusing

Are you looking at the zoomed in 4th picture of the tag? If so, I wouldn't, as that shows the inside of the jersey, which might potentially have a different texture/finish to the outside.

The other photos don't clearly show the yellow material pattern/texture, even when zoomed in.

It could always be the case that the material differed slightly year by year.

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Are you looking at the zoomed in 4th picture of the tag? If so, I wouldn't, as that shows the inside of the jersey, which might potentially have a different texture/finish to the outside.

The other photos don't clearly show the yellow material pattern/texture, even when zoomed in.

It could always be the case that the material differed slightly year by year.

The tag is on the outside of the jersey, even on the autographed slide of the front it looks the same. Im just unable to find any jersey Wilt wore that matches the patch. And knowing UD did have a memorabilia scandal makes me hesiatant

WillC · 10-09-2018, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carlociv

The tag is on the outside of the jersey, even on the autographed slide of the front it looks the same. Im just unable to find any jersey Wilt wore that matches the patch. And knowing UD did have a memorabilia scandal makes me hesiatant

My mistake, you're right about the tag being on the outside of the jersey, not the inside.

Did you buy the card in the opening post? I've seen it on eBay a couple of times recently.

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

My mistake, you're right about the tag being on the outside of the jersey, not the inside.

Did you buy the card in the opening post? I've seen it on eBay a couple of times recently.

Have not , yet

Ewing8888 · 10-09-2018, 04:21 PM

I believe it's 2004-05 UD Upper Deck. This card looks somewhat similar

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-05-UD-...aqB:rk:28:pf:0

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewing8888

I believe it's 2004-05 UD Upper Deck. This card looks somewhat similar

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-05-UD-...aqB:rk:28:pf:0

Yes it is, Im not trying to identify the product. But the jersey the swatch came from. Thanks

goehring9 · 10-09-2018, 05:52 PM

I can’t help with the jersey but I can say the texture and stitching looks similar to my Ultimate Collection Wilt patches

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Deadshot · 10-09-2018, 05:56 PM

The cloth looks accurate for the time period. There's actually a name for it - cheesecloth.

carlociv · 10-09-2018, 07:26 PM

Wow the help so far is overwhelming, but I still have this weariness about the patch being un-authentic “not after market faked” but straight from UD . I cannot find anything from any year of Lakers jerseys that matches this material. And the collar seam patches of Wilt from the same year (2004) I located them on a non-authentic replica jersey. But on the game worns the collar was much thicker .... very suspect

10-09-2018, 12:18 PM	#1
carlociv Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 175	$5 Paypal to help me identify patch piece I need help identifying this Wilt Chamberlain patch piece, I have looked at every game worn Lakers jersey I can find and the materials on them do not seem to match up to the rough looking materials used on this patch. Im willing to pay $5 paypal to anybody who can show me a jersey that this would have came from! thanks Attached Thumbnails

10-09-2018, 12:26 PM	#2
KevJo Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 11,435	Looks like its going to be event or player worn vs game worn. The material that is made of was probably not around when Wilt played. It looks like a nameplate or number piece. You do not have to pay people to get advice on here. People are helpful! Kevin __________________ "By any means"- Khalil Mack

10-09-2018, 12:53 PM	#6
KevJo Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 11,435	Hopefully the patch has remained original, because that material is the new new stuff they use. Back when wilt played it was probably flannel with screen printed numbers. I have said enough, back to the football area LOL. Kevin __________________ "By any means"- Khalil Mack

10-09-2018, 01:15 PM	#10
Earvin32 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin Posts: 2,185	The have used shorts and warm up pants also in cards over the years. I would look at the purple vertical stripe on the shorts to see if it matches on a home pair of shorts. __________________ I collect Earvin "Magic" Johnson cards, the more goatee and short shorts, the better. The 80's PG not the 1996 PF. Check out my sports card albums at https://sportscardalbum.com/u/borisbadinov

10-09-2018, 02:06 PM	#13
kb 24 Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: BCN Posts: 634 crds-inte skbcards	Edit: if it's game used, it should be from that type of jersey (as Will shared the link) although the color seems more like the warm-up. Warm-up Game Last edited by kb 24; 10-09-2018 at 03:48 PM.

10-09-2018, 12:41 PM	#3
ikelove500 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 523	I think someone told me once that even if it says game worn on the back, it doesn’t necessarily mean by the player on the card unless it states the player wore it. I could be wrong. Hopefully someone with better knowledge can chime in.

10-09-2018, 12:49 PM	#4
carlociv Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 175	Just to clarify, it does say “Game Worn by WILT CHAMBERLAIN in an NBA Game”

10-09-2018, 12:53 PM	#5
blinkme323 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Philly Posts: 1,886	It looks like it could possibly be from a warm-up jacket? http://scp-auctions.dev.bwmmedia.com...august-3-2016/

10-09-2018, 12:59 PM	#7
cardmole Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Redondo Beach Posts: 3,266	Hard to tell, but why couldn't it be from a jersey similar to what shows in the picture on your card-maybe from around collar area or name on back?

10-09-2018, 02:59 PM	#14
WillC Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,998	Following on from kb 24's post, I think the thickness/width of the white could actually be from a game worn jersey like the one posted above. Here's the full link: http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...lot95597.aspx# __________________ IG: ChronologyCollector Do you have any rare Chronology autos or inscriptions? If so, PM me.

10-09-2018, 04:21 PM	#21
Ewing8888 Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: North of The Wall Posts: 581 TDEwing3 Ewing8888	I believe it's 2004-05 UD Upper Deck. This card looks somewhat similar https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-05-UD-...aqB:rk:28:pf:0 __________________ Always Interested in Aaron Judge, Gleyber, Kobe, Steph Curry, Jayson Tatum, Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, and ZION

10-09-2018, 05:52 PM	#23
goehring9 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Oak Park, Ca Posts: 1,741 goehring9	I can’t help with the jersey but I can say the texture and stitching looks similar to my Ultimate Collection Wilt patches Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ https://goehring9.weebly.com IG: lakersforumgold Collecting Wilt and Jerry West

10-09-2018, 05:56 PM	#24
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	The cloth looks accurate for the time period. There's actually a name for it - cheesecloth. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

10-09-2018, 07:26 PM	#25
carlociv Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 175	Wow the help so far is overwhelming, but I still have this weariness about the patch being un-authentic “not after market faked” but straight from UD . I cannot find anything from any year of Lakers jerseys that matches this material. And the collar seam patches of Wilt from the same year (2004) I located them on a non-authentic replica jersey. But on the game worns the collar was much thicker .... very suspect