The Lakers "Odd Man Out"

[messier2]

So, with Lebron going to take up most of the scoring, and everything else!

Which player do you think will be the odd-man-out in terms of minutes (and thus, eventual hobby-love).

Lonzo
Kuz
Hart
Ingram

Basically, the guy to sell now because he's going to be riding the bench or scoring 5 points a game which is death in the hobby! lol

[Zacy87]

I wouldnt put Hart in the same category as the other 3 so he's the easy choice for me at least.

[theLUCKYshow]

I think they're all holds right now. Playoffs would be ideal time to sell.

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[eastbayak]

Ingram: Increased hobby love
Lonzo: No movement or slightly decreased hobby love (still makes highlight reels with assists, etc)
Kuzma: Decreased hobby love (feel like there’s less scoring opportunities for him given the current roster, could be wrong though)
Hart: Decreased hobby love (last of the 4 listed)

[theleica]

If the Lakers are playing the uptempo offense they have in preseason then it is hopefully LeBron that will be playing less minutes.

The Lakers will probably ease Ball back into the lineup (not sure how his knee is doing.)

Ingram will hopefully have a breakout year. Hart and Kuzma will continue to get better.

In my eyes it is too early to tell hobby wise. I'm holding.


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[messier2]

Good points.

On those that said they are holding, are you just holding or holding/buying as well?

[theleica]

Good points.



On those that said they are holding, are you just holding or holding/buying as well?


If I was smart I'd be buying Ingram but I'm not. I don't see Ball and Kuzma making a huge jump this year. I'm not sure where Hart's prices are, but if they were reasonable I'd probably buy. (I stepped back a bit from buying the past few months to work on getting my collection organized, existing cards graded, and narrowing my focus so my collection isn't all over the place)


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[pgisback]

Ingram is a stud and will flourish with Lebron. I think Kuzma will have the green light and lead the offensive threat when Lebron sits, so they'll always have Lebron or Kuzma on and Kuzma will get his numbers. Hart not really a threat, but should continue being a good piece.

Lonzo is the wildcard, think he's a bust and with his lack of shooting, he doesn't bring anything more to the table than Rondo. I'd say Lonzo is the odd man out.

[jcardstore]

I don't think Hart should be on this list at all.

[dasiegel]

they love hart. he's gonna play. honestly i think all of these guys will have happy value this year. i say there is no clear #2. closest thing will be ingram but kuz and hart will have big nights. i think ball will be solid all season long with 8-11 pts along with 5-6 boards and assists.

[Burt-Reynolds]

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

[cardmole]

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

Xlnt point-never had thought about this, but you may be right on.
As for Hart-I think he's potentially the real sleeper here card wise.

[dasiegel]

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

i think u are underestimating kuz and laker fans. there will be nights where he just gets hot and hits 4-5 3s off nice lebron passes. if the team does well, several of these guys are going up. if clarkson was a 2nd yr player on this team he would go up too.

[Burt-Reynolds]

Xlnt point-never had thought about this, but you may be right on.
As for Hart-I think he's potentially the real sleeper here card wise.

Yeah, I’ll be more than happy to be wrong on this one. He does look like he’s pressing and trying to hard right now(maybe trying to show out for LeBron?), hopefully he’ll settle in and get back to type of player he was last season.

[Burt-Reynolds]

i think u are underestimating kuz and laker fans. there will be nights where he just gets hot and hits 4-5 3s off nice lebron passes. if the team does well, several of these guys are going up. if clarkson was a 2nd yr player on this team he would go up too.

Well I’m about as big a Laker fan as you will find, and I’m speaking critically as a fan here. I’ve watched every minute of every preseason game so far. I feel confident in saying what I’m saying right now, and will be more than happy to be proven wrong cause I like Kuz’s game and we’ll need his scoring off the bench to have a successful season.

Also Clarkson was a teammate of LeBron in the 2nd half of the season, Playoffs, and the Finals and was terrible, lol. Kuz might only be getting limited minutes with LeBron too, since he’s expected to be the main spark plug off the bench. The plus side of that is that Zo will be in that 2nd unit a lot too, and he and Kuz play great together so he will still get a lot of good looks. Problem is he hasn’t been knocking any of them down so far.

[mc1]

I said Ball would be gone if Lebron went to LA so Im sticking to that story. I dont think he finishes the season with the Lakers.

[yiguiri2002]

As an impartial observer, here are my two cents:

- Ingram has looked way better than I expected. Kid looks like a future All-Star sometimes, I think he keeps it going.

- Lonzo is gonna allow LeBron to "rest" on offense in certain possessions. I think he'll continue getting better and might take a fall this season but would probably bounce back after that.

- I think Kuzma is the odd man out. More than anything, because I think the Lakers add another piece and they can get way more out of Kuzma than Hart to make it work. Hart looks like a solid 4th option on a championship team and I think his prices are around that.

[ninjacookies]

The problem with Kuzma is he is still very much one-dimensional. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Reminds me a lot of the Wolves K-Love, but slightly less talented.

And I just can't see his scoring increase tremendously. He had the green light to chuck last year because of the lack of weapons around him. Now you're bringing in Lebron and his undoubted 24+ppg, Ingram is seeing more usage, Lonzo gained weight and no longer looks like a coy schoolgirl, as well as other veterans who will command the rock.

Too many mouths to feed to see him make a substantial jump, which would mean he leads the team in scoring and is amongst the league leaders. I can't see it.

He set the bar quite high for himself.

Guys like Lonzo and Ingram seem like the most logical beneficiaries. Ingram most notably because of his draft pedigree and flashes he showed both last year and in the preseason. He's got that 30+ point upside any given night.

Lonzo set the bar at the lowest level. But the slight problem I see with him is that the hobby still priced him in very high. I just don't know how much more room there is to grow if he ends up a jason kidd/kevin martin type. His NT RPA's are going for what...6-8k? Madness.

[RogerGodahell]

They've got a lot invested in Lonzo. Being drafted that high you get more chances then other guys. I'd say for now Hart is the odd man out for the time being.

[regularp]

I was high on Kuzma going into the season. I thought he'd put up numbers as a small ball five off the bench and he'd have a chance to close games with LeBron. With all the playmakers, he should get a lot of open looks.

They're so bad defensively with him at the five though, that I think his minutes are gonna go down. He'd be my choice on that list.

[eastbayak]

I expect Kuzma's production to dip this year. Last year, he led the team with an average of 13.5 FGA. However, since then, the team added a number of vets.

LeBron and BI will take the majority of shots from the first unit (with occasionally lay-ups and alley-oops from Rondo and McGee). Assuming Kuzma mostly plays in the second unit, he's still sharing the ball with Beasley and Stephenson. Beasley and Stephenson averaged 10.9 and 8.6 FGAs last year, respectively. I'm not saying Kuzma won't shoot at all but I feel like he'll only average a single-digit FGA. And since that's his main contribution, feel like his value will decline as a result.

[starfox]

The problem with Kuzma is he is still very much one-dimensional. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Reminds me a lot of the Wolves K-Love, but slightly less talented.

And I just can't see his scoring increase tremendously. He had the green light to chuck last year because of the lack of weapons around him. Now you're bringing in Lebron and his undoubted 24+ppg, Ingram is seeing more usage, Lonzo gained weight and no longer looks like a coy schoolgirl, as well as other veterans who will command the rock.

Too many mouths to feed to see him make a substantial jump, which would mean he leads the team in scoring and is amongst the league leaders. I can't see it.

He set the bar quite high for himself.

Guys like Lonzo and Ingram seem like the most logical beneficiaries. Ingram most notably because of his draft pedigree and flashes he showed both last year and in the preseason. He's got that 30+ point upside any given night.

Lonzo set the bar at the lowest level. But the slight problem I see with him is that the hobby still priced him in very high. I just don't know how much more room there is to grow if he ends up a jason kidd/kevin martin type. His NT RPA's are going for what...6-8k? Madness.If he ends up a Jason Kidd type, that would make him a top-15 player. For years, no matter the team he was on, Kidd was a top-15 player. If you disagree, that's fine, but Kidd did take the Nets to the Finals. The Nets with Kenyon Martin as their second-best player.

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[starfox]

I expect Kuzma's production to dip this year. Last year, he led the team with an average of 13.5 FGA. However, since then, the team added a number of vets.

LeBron and BI will take the majority of shots from the first unit (with occasionally lay-ups and alley-oops from Rondo and McGee). Assuming Kuzma mostly plays in the second unit, he's still sharing the ball with Beasley and Stephenson. Beasley and Stephenson averaged 10.9 and 8.6 FGAs last year, respectively. I'm not saying Kuzma won't shoot at all but I feel like he'll only average a single-digit FGA. And since that's his main contribution, feel like his value will decline as a result.Stephenson and Beasley will not hurt Kuzma's minutes or point totals. They'll be watching from the bench, playing sparingly. If they do, the coaching staff and management don't know what they're doing.

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[ninjacookies]

If he ends up a Jason Kidd type, that would make him a top-15 player. For years, no matter the team he was on, Kidd was a top-15 player. If you disagree, that's fine, but Kidd did take the Nets to the Finals. The Nets with Kenyon Martin as their second-best player.

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If he ends up being J Kidd, Lakers nation should be ecstatic. That's a hall of fame player. But I was more referring his hobby value.

[eastbayak]

Stephenson and Beasley will not hurt Kuzma's minutes or point totals. They'll be watching from the bench, playing sparingly. If they do, the coaching staff and management don't know what they're doing.

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I'm not saying they'll average the same number of shots they took last year. But I do believe they'll slightly affect Kuzma's point totals because they'll take away a few shots per game that would've otherwise went to Kuzma.

That's just my belief.

[Burt-Reynolds]

I'm not saying they'll average the same number of shots they took last year. But I do believe they'll slightly affect Kuzma's point totals because they'll take away a few shots per game that would've otherwise went to Kuzma.

That's just my belief.

If Beasley is getting regular minutes in the rotation then that means something has gone terribly wrong along the way. He is trash and should only be in during garbage time.

[drobfan8]

For me it's Hart. Only because Kentavius is in his way.

Lonzo has a chance to overtake Rondo if he can just knock down the open 3.

Ingram clearly looks like the no. 2 option and is primed to average 20 +

Kuz will be fine for touches, it's his shot selection for mine, he settles for a lot of 3s.

This team is gonna be good though. They were already looking at a .500 record without LeBron.

[dasiegel]

Well I’m about as big a Laker fan as you will find, and I’m speaking critically as a fan here. I’ve watched every minute of every preseason game so far. I feel confident in saying what I’m saying right now, and will be more than happy to be proven wrong cause I like Kuz’s game and we’ll need his scoring off the bench to have a successful season.

Also Clarkson was a teammate of LeBron in the 2nd half of the season, Playoffs, and the Finals and was terrible, lol. Kuz might only be getting limited minutes with LeBron too, since he’s expected to be the main spark plug off the bench. The plus side of that is that Zo will be in that 2nd unit a lot too, and he and Kuz play great together so he will still get a lot of good looks. Problem is he hasn’t been knocking any of them down so far.

I mean the Cleveland Lebron with Clarkson is not fair to compare. Having an offseason and preseason with Lebron, I imagine Kuzma will be getting some pretty good looks. He's streaky but with his versatility offensively I am not worried about him.

I said Ball would be gone if Lebron went to LA so Im sticking to that story. I dont think he finishes the season with the Lakers.

I don't see how they can move him for any value better than his rookie contract. I see him there for a few years or longer. Kid looks good and unselfish.

[padremurph]

I think they all mostly stay flat, especially if the Lakers are winning.

Kuzma hasn’t looked great in preseason, but he’s a fan favorite for sure and his prices will stay put as long as he doesn’t absolutely suck.

Lonzo has the most to gain. If he can hit some threes and score more than last year, he’s going to see a nice bump.

Ingram needs to have a good year. He’s always shown flashes (just like this preseason) but seems to be pretty inconsistent. One game he looks like an all star, the next he’s nowhere to be found. People are going to grow impatient if he doesn’t show some consistency.

At the end of the day I don’t think anyone blows up, and no one is going to suck. The team will be in the spotlight every night and they’ll each have their ups and downs.

[GoldPanner]

If anyone it would definitely Hart for the time being. It could be Lonzo in a few years though

[Cavaliercards]

I said Lonzo based on I could see Hart becoming Lebron's Little Buddy

[storm]

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

Glad I'm not alone, in the Kuzma department. Can't wait to see Ingram tear it up this year, my favorite Laker since Byron Scott (showing my age, and longevity as a Lakers fan).

[hofcollector2]

Lonzo ball soft as Charmin even with sleeve tattoo.

[Burt-Reynolds]

Lonzo ball soft as Charmin even with sleeve tattoo.

Yes, cause Charmin soft players often finish the season as the overall no.3 ranked defender among all PG’s as a rookie.

[LeonfromNC]

Oops well at least for most of us we were wrong for one night lol

[ninjacookies]

Every young Laker not named Hart looked abysmal tonight.

[JHH]

Hart got them started shooting from the arc and is balling lol

[Burt-Reynolds]

Yeah Hart looked great, he’ll be starting sooner than later. He’s so good at the rim and finishing with contact too. I’m not worried about the kids, and Kuz actually looked a little better tonight than he did all preseason, so I have a little more hope than I did when I posted a few days ago, lol.

[rookies]

Lonzo is terrible. I was a huge hater last year and I assume the same this year. Im not sure how he ever becomes great. Lonzo just cant do anything to help the team. His passing isnt helpful because they already have so many passers. He cant shoot he cant finish at the rim or with his left. He is a good defender but spaces out a lot. Idk I just dont see it. Hart is in my opinion the 2nd best laker and going forward will be clear 2nd best.

[tolrobb]

Lonzo is terrible. I was a huge hater last year and I assume the same this year. Im not sure how he ever becomes great. Lonzo just cant do anything to help the team. His passing isnt helpful because they already have so many passers. He cant shoot he cant finish at the rim or with his left. He is a good defender but spaces out a lot. Idk I just dont see it. Hart is in my opinion the 2nd best laker and going forward will be clear 2nd best.

I disagree with everything you said except for the part about you being a huge hater. :D;)

Excellent passer, appears bigger and stronger this year so as he gets healthy, should have more opportunities to prove he can finish at the rim. Excellent defender who should only improve now that he has added bulk to his frame. Hart is great, but Ingram is better. It is close, Kuz and Ball aren't far behind. I cant wait to see how they progress playing with Lebron.

[nickha2]

My FOTL red shimmer prizm of Hart has been on ebay for almost a year now at $150 obo. Best offer was $80. Another game like that and im taking it off or adding a few hundred to the price.

[cp3fan]

I disagree with everything you said except for the part about you being a huge hater. :D;)

Excellent passer, appears bigger and stronger this year so as he gets healthy, should have more opportunities to prove he can finish at the rim. Excellent defender who should only improve now that he has added bulk to his frame. Hart is great, but Ingram is better. It is close, Kuz and Ball aren't far behind. I cant wait to see how they progress playing with Lebron.

What exactly makes you think he will be able to finish at the rim better this year? That still looked like a huge opportunity to me. He attempted finishing in traffic with an underhanded scoop shot with predictable results(getting it blocked). He has no semblance of a floater or any trick shots. Until he develops those things, he will continue to struggle with finishing. A consistent 3 and developing a reliable floater would go a long way for him. I like the kid and think he has a lot of potential but he needs those things I mentioned in his life.

[LeonfromNC]

Rondo
Hart
Ingram
LeBron
Kuzma

starting five against smaller teams

Swap out Kuzma for McGee against bigger teams.

It's not rocket science Luke Walton smh.

[pgisback]

Lonzo is terrible. I was a huge hater last year and I assume the same this year. Im not sure how he ever becomes great. Lonzo just cant do anything to help the team. His passing isnt helpful because they already have so many passers. He cant shoot he cant finish at the rim or with his left. He is a good defender but spaces out a lot. Idk I just dont see it. Hart is in my opinion the 2nd best laker and going forward will be clear 2nd best.

Yep, most of the time he wasn't even bringing the ball up. If he's not bringing the ball up and controlling the offense like Rondo, he is utterly useless out there like his numbers indicated. They should trade him for a 3 pt shooter for that second team. I disagree on the Hart being clear 2nd best. There is no doubt Ingram has that role and throughout the season it won't even be close.

[rainmaker]

Every young Laker not named Hart looked abysmal tonight.

they really did look out of their league. intimidated to be playing with lebron.

[messier2]

My FOTL red shimmer prizm of Hart has been on ebay for almost a year now at $150 obo. Best offer was $80. Another game like that and im taking it off or adding a few hundred to the price.

I've been following your card. Surprised it's still up (considering his summer league and lakers-hype coming into the season!).

[NoleinJax]

I've been following your card. Surprised it's still up (considering his summer league and lakers-hype coming into the season!).

The Emergent inserts just don't sell well. In 15-16 the silvers were a very tough hit (1 in 720 packs I believe) and they still didn't sell very well.

[minnesotachill]

Hart is old as heck, gonna be 24 in the spring.

He's at the same age as guys from the 2014 draft class, Wiggins/Jabari/Embiid.

So that probably has a lot to do with why its not easy to sell his cards.


But he is way better than Lonzo.

[dasiegel]

Hart is old as heck, gonna be 24 in the spring.

He's at the same age as guys from the 2014 draft class, Wiggins/Jabari/Embiid.

So that probably has a lot to do with why its not easy to sell his cards.


But he is way better than Lonzo.

yea he's 24, dude is ancient, get him a wheelchair, lol. come on man. he won't hit his prime for about 3-4 yrs, he's still young. his stuff will go nuts if he ends up being great.

i don't think you can make anything of the lakers from 1 road game. nobody looked bad, nobody looked great. it's gonna take 15 games to get a good idea of the best rotation.

[messier2]

From what I can tell, people are not "all in" on Hart, which is understandable since he doesn't have the "upside" of Kuz or Ingram.

But, he can be a nice flip if you bought at summer prices (super low). Nice to turn a $10 card to $30.

[rookies]

Yep, most of the time he wasn't even bringing the ball up. If he's not bringing the ball up and controlling the offense like Rondo, he is utterly useless out there like his numbers indicated. They should trade him for a 3 pt shooter for that second team. I disagree on the Hart being clear 2nd best. There is no doubt Ingram has that role and throughout the season it won't even be close.

Exactly if he doesnt bring up the ball seriously what is the point of him being out there? Lebron should be more off ball this year and he has talked about that, but if lonzo just does his quick passes its not that helpful. Hes a below average cutter cant finish with both hands and has no floater or real post move to get a good look at the rim. He didnt work on his game at all this summer because of the injury so he will look similiarly bad like last year. Going forward I do think he could be good but right now and this year it will be very difficult.

Josh Hart was the reason David West retired he said. The guy is is super strong and can lock down players. He had the 2nd highest FG percentage of all rookies last year in the paint. Behind only ben simmons. Kid is a beast but is older. Ingram looks more aggressive but I just am not sure he ever puts it all together on this team. The team is put together so poorly it just doesnt make any sense. Ingram should be taking the ball up at least a few times. I would love to see a Ingram at point hart at 2 lebron at 3 kuz at 4 javale at 5 lineup. Having rondo and or ball just limits the offense potential when you already have so many ball handlers you dont really need them to handle the ball.

[Giantrobot]

I’m thinking it’s Kuzma.

I see the others complimenting LeBron more than he does. Hart is a solid backup guard, and Lonzo and Ingram just look like they might be able to exist better with LeBron.

[messier2]

Nope, not Josh Hart! Lol

[drobfan8]

Nope, not Josh Hart! Lol

I'm glad to see him succeed

What's crazy is the Spurs wanted him or Kuzma to fall to them in the draft.

Bummer

[dasiegel]

I’m thinking it’s Kuzma.

I see the others complimenting LeBron more than he does. Hart is a solid backup guard, and Lonzo and Ingram just look like they might be able to exist better with LeBron.

Nope not Kuzma:cry::cry::cry:

[Cal27]

Surprisingly, all four of Lakers young players are playing well. Even Ball is making his 3.

[theLUCKYshow]

Could it be Lebron? Im 97% joking but if he can't lead this team to the playoffs, I can't help but think his legacy takes a dent and his prices settle.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Could it be Lebron? Im 97% joking but if he can't lead this team to the playoffs, I can't help but think his legacy takes a dent and his prices settle.

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I don't really think anything short of something catastrophic to his image could dent his legacy at this point... steroids, kid diddling, etc.

[babyfaceposey]

I don't really think anything short of something catastrophic to his image could dent his legacy at this point... steroids, kid diddling, etc.

Kobe raped a woman and people still love him.

[Giantrobot]

Nope not Kuzma:cry::cry::cry:

:cry::cry::cry:

It will be.

[teosdesserts]

Kuzma is the best fit of these 4 and it’s not remotely close, except for maybe Hart. Lonzo is another Rondo and both of them are odd to pair with Lebron because his style of play overlaps with them too much. Hart is an excellent bench scorer and Kuzma is the second best player on the team. Ingram continues to look terrible in every regard and I don’t understand all the love he gets, especially after we saw his immaturity the other night...

[Giantrobot]

:cry::cry::cry:

It will be.

Actually, let me edit that.

I like Kuzma. I like Hart. I’m not sold on Ingram or Lonzo. The Kuzma/Bron dynamic with both at the 4 and 5 didn’t seem right. They can play together, but not like that.

[rookies]

I know it hurts a lot of people because so many love Kuz and ball but Hart is the 2nd best player and will be in the future as well. Find the weakness in his game he has none. Name it..

[LC2nine10]

Kobe raped a woman and people still love him.

Yeah, but he changed his number.