The Lakers "Odd Man Out"

[messier2]

So, with Lebron going to take up most of the scoring, and everything else!

Which player do you think will be the odd-man-out in terms of minutes (and thus, eventual hobby-love).

Lonzo
Kuz
Hart
Ingram

Basically, the guy to sell now because he's going to be riding the bench or scoring 5 points a game which is death in the hobby! lol

[Zacy87]

I wouldnt put Hart in the same category as the other 3 so he's the easy choice for me at least.

[theLUCKYshow]

I think they're all holds right now. Playoffs would be ideal time to sell.

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[eastbayak]

Ingram: Increased hobby love
Lonzo: No movement or slightly decreased hobby love (still makes highlight reels with assists, etc)
Kuzma: Decreased hobby love (feel like there’s less scoring opportunities for him given the current roster, could be wrong though)
Hart: Decreased hobby love (last of the 4 listed)

[theleica]

If the Lakers are playing the uptempo offense they have in preseason then it is hopefully LeBron that will be playing less minutes.

The Lakers will probably ease Ball back into the lineup (not sure how his knee is doing.)

Ingram will hopefully have a breakout year. Hart and Kuzma will continue to get better.

In my eyes it is too early to tell hobby wise. I'm holding.


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[messier2]

Good points.

On those that said they are holding, are you just holding or holding/buying as well?

[theleica]

Originally Posted by messier2

Good points.



On those that said they are holding, are you just holding or holding/buying as well?

If I was smart I'd be buying Ingram but I'm not. I don't see Ball and Kuzma making a huge jump this year. I'm not sure where Hart's prices are, but if they were reasonable I'd probably buy. (I stepped back a bit from buying the past few months to work on getting my collection organized, existing cards graded, and narrowing my focus so my collection isn't all over the place)


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[pgisback]

Ingram is a stud and will flourish with Lebron. I think Kuzma will have the green light and lead the offensive threat when Lebron sits, so they'll always have Lebron or Kuzma on and Kuzma will get his numbers. Hart not really a threat, but should continue being a good piece.

Lonzo is the wildcard, think he's a bust and with his lack of shooting, he doesn't bring anything more to the table than Rondo. I'd say Lonzo is the odd man out.

[jcardstore]

I don't think Hart should be on this list at all.

[dasiegel]

they love hart. he's gonna play. honestly i think all of these guys will have happy value this year. i say there is no clear #2. closest thing will be ingram but kuz and hart will have big nights. i think ball will be solid all season long with 8-11 pts along with 5-6 boards and assists.

[Burt-Reynolds]

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

[cardmole]

Originally Posted by Burt-Reynolds

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

Xlnt point-never had thought about this, but you may be right on.
As for Hart-I think he's potentially the real sleeper here card wise.

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by Burt-Reynolds

I think Kuz’s hobby prices are gonna drop hard, but it has nothing to do with LeBron. He’s looked terrible all pre season, and is starting to give me Jordan Clarkson 2nd year flashbacks. I really hope I’m wrong and he balls out as our 6th man, but I’m not feeling too confident in him right now.

Everyone else on this list is gonna experience increased hobby prices this season though. Wish I had more stock in Ingram cards. He’s gonna avg 20+ a game this season.

i think u are underestimating kuz and laker fans. there will be nights where he just gets hot and hits 4-5 3s off nice lebron passes. if the team does well, several of these guys are going up. if clarkson was a 2nd yr player on this team he would go up too.

[Burt-Reynolds]

Originally Posted by cardmole

Xlnt point-never had thought about this, but you may be right on.
As for Hart-I think he's potentially the real sleeper here card wise.

Yeah, I’ll be more than happy to be wrong on this one. He does look like he’s pressing and trying to hard right now(maybe trying to show out for LeBron?), hopefully he’ll settle in and get back to type of player he was last season.

[Burt-Reynolds]

Originally Posted by dasiegel

i think u are underestimating kuz and laker fans. there will be nights where he just gets hot and hits 4-5 3s off nice lebron passes. if the team does well, several of these guys are going up. if clarkson was a 2nd yr player on this team he would go up too.

Well I’m about as big a Laker fan as you will find, and I’m speaking critically as a fan here. I’ve watched every minute of every preseason game so far. I feel confident in saying what I’m saying right now, and will be more than happy to be proven wrong cause I like Kuz’s game and we’ll need his scoring off the bench to have a successful season.

Also Clarkson was a teammate of LeBron in the 2nd half of the season, Playoffs, and the Finals and was terrible, lol. Kuz might only be getting limited minutes with LeBron too, since he’s expected to be the main spark plug off the bench. The plus side of that is that Zo will be in that 2nd unit a lot too, and he and Kuz play great together so he will still get a lot of good looks. Problem is he hasn’t been knocking any of them down so far.

[mc1]

I said Ball would be gone if Lebron went to LA so Im sticking to that story. I dont think he finishes the season with the Lakers.

[yiguiri2002]

As an impartial observer, here are my two cents:

- Ingram has looked way better than I expected. Kid looks like a future All-Star sometimes, I think he keeps it going.

- Lonzo is gonna allow LeBron to "rest" on offense in certain possessions. I think he'll continue getting better and might take a fall this season but would probably bounce back after that.

- I think Kuzma is the odd man out. More than anything, because I think the Lakers add another piece and they can get way more out of Kuzma than Hart to make it work. Hart looks like a solid 4th option on a championship team and I think his prices are around that.

[ninjacookies]

The problem with Kuzma is he is still very much one-dimensional. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Reminds me a lot of the Wolves K-Love, but slightly less talented.

And I just can't see his scoring increase tremendously. He had the green light to chuck last year because of the lack of weapons around him. Now you're bringing in Lebron and his undoubted 24+ppg, Ingram is seeing more usage, Lonzo gained weight and no longer looks like a coy schoolgirl, as well as other veterans who will command the rock.

Too many mouths to feed to see him make a substantial jump, which would mean he leads the team in scoring and is amongst the league leaders. I can't see it.

He set the bar quite high for himself.

Guys like Lonzo and Ingram seem like the most logical beneficiaries. Ingram most notably because of his draft pedigree and flashes he showed both last year and in the preseason. He's got that 30+ point upside any given night.

Lonzo set the bar at the lowest level. But the slight problem I see with him is that the hobby still priced him in very high. I just don't know how much more room there is to grow if he ends up a jason kidd/kevin martin type. His NT RPA's are going for what...6-8k? Madness.

[RogerGodahell]

They've got a lot invested in Lonzo. Being drafted that high you get more chances then other guys. I'd say for now Hart is the odd man out for the time being.

[regularp]

I was high on Kuzma going into the season. I thought he'd put up numbers as a small ball five off the bench and he'd have a chance to close games with LeBron. With all the playmakers, he should get a lot of open looks.

They're so bad defensively with him at the five though, that I think his minutes are gonna go down. He'd be my choice on that list.

[eastbayak]

I expect Kuzma's production to dip this year. Last year, he led the team with an average of 13.5 FGA. However, since then, the team added a number of vets.

LeBron and BI will take the majority of shots from the first unit (with occasionally lay-ups and alley-oops from Rondo and McGee). Assuming Kuzma mostly plays in the second unit, he's still sharing the ball with Beasley and Stephenson. Beasley and Stephenson averaged 10.9 and 8.6 FGAs last year, respectively. I'm not saying Kuzma won't shoot at all but I feel like he'll only average a single-digit FGA. And since that's his main contribution, feel like his value will decline as a result.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

The problem with Kuzma is he is still very much one-dimensional. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Reminds me a lot of the Wolves K-Love, but slightly less talented.

And I just can't see his scoring increase tremendously. He had the green light to chuck last year because of the lack of weapons around him. Now you're bringing in Lebron and his undoubted 24+ppg, Ingram is seeing more usage, Lonzo gained weight and no longer looks like a coy schoolgirl, as well as other veterans who will command the rock.

Too many mouths to feed to see him make a substantial jump, which would mean he leads the team in scoring and is amongst the league leaders. I can't see it.

He set the bar quite high for himself.

Guys like Lonzo and Ingram seem like the most logical beneficiaries. Ingram most notably because of his draft pedigree and flashes he showed both last year and in the preseason. He's got that 30+ point upside any given night.

Lonzo set the bar at the lowest level. But the slight problem I see with him is that the hobby still priced him in very high. I just don't know how much more room there is to grow if he ends up a jason kidd/kevin martin type. His NT RPA's are going for what...6-8k? Madness.

If he ends up a Jason Kidd type, that would make him a top-15 player. For years, no matter the team he was on, Kidd was a top-15 player. If you disagree, that's fine, but Kidd did take the Nets to the Finals. The Nets with Kenyon Martin as their second-best player.

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[starfox]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I expect Kuzma's production to dip this year. Last year, he led the team with an average of 13.5 FGA. However, since then, the team added a number of vets.

LeBron and BI will take the majority of shots from the first unit (with occasionally lay-ups and alley-oops from Rondo and McGee). Assuming Kuzma mostly plays in the second unit, he's still sharing the ball with Beasley and Stephenson. Beasley and Stephenson averaged 10.9 and 8.6 FGAs last year, respectively. I'm not saying Kuzma won't shoot at all but I feel like he'll only average a single-digit FGA. And since that's his main contribution, feel like his value will decline as a result.

Stephenson and Beasley will not hurt Kuzma's minutes or point totals. They'll be watching from the bench, playing sparingly. If they do, the coaching staff and management don't know what they're doing.

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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by starfox

If he ends up a Jason Kidd type, that would make him a top-15 player. For years, no matter the team he was on, Kidd was a top-15 player. If you disagree, that's fine, but Kidd did take the Nets to the Finals. The Nets with Kenyon Martin as their second-best player.

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If he ends up being J Kidd, Lakers nation should be ecstatic. That's a hall of fame player. But I was more referring his hobby value.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by starfox

Stephenson and Beasley will not hurt Kuzma's minutes or point totals. They'll be watching from the bench, playing sparingly. If they do, the coaching staff and management don't know what they're doing.

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I'm not saying they'll average the same number of shots they took last year. But I do believe they'll slightly affect Kuzma's point totals because they'll take away a few shots per game that would've otherwise went to Kuzma.

That's just my belief.