Moisture inside the PSA holder over time ...

[Collect711711]

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Did Anyone experience the same ? How to remove the moisture out of the holder ?

Thanks guys.



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[GatorPie]

Don't think that's moisture, just the glossy surface of the card meeting the plastic.

[rittdk01]

That’s what my shiny cards have done in the inner BGS sleeve several times. And yes, I can see that that’s a PSA holder.

[mjohnatgt]

Did you treat it with car wax before grading it? That's probably wax. If it is moisture, maybe leave in a ziploc bag with some uncooked rice for a day? May draw the moisture out of the slab.

[Collect711711]

Did you treat it with car wax before grading it? That's probably wax. If it is moisture, maybe leave in a ziploc bag with some uncooked rice for a day? May draw the moisture out of the slab.



I will give it a try. Thanks


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[pacmon84]

I will give it a try. Thanks


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Please keep us posted if the RICE method works. I had a card with your same issue and cracked it and there was no issue with the card. So short term, there is no damage but long term? Possibly...

[Bruin7]

I believe that's from the bend/arc in the card meeting the slab's plastic. Does not appear to be moisture.

[GatorPie]

I believe that's from the bend/arc in the card meeting the slab's plastic. Does not appear to be moisture.
It doesn't appear he accepted this obvious answer. Leaving the slab in a bowl of rice isn't going to do anything.

[Collect711711]

It doesn't appear he accepted this obvious answer. Leaving the slab in a bowl of rice isn't going to do anything.



I also agree with you guys. There is a chance that the card is pushing up on the acrylic holder. In the meantime, I will try the rice method for a day and see there is any miracle.

[vincecarder]

I believe that's from the bend/arc in the card meeting the slab's plastic. Does not appear to be moisture.

Yes it's this, the cards can start curling more in the holder and touch up against the surface of the holder making that oil/moisture smudge look. You can push on the holder and see the spot move around. Some cards move around in holders while others are so stuck/pressed to surface that that oil look shows up.

Long term will this stick to the holder? A sleeve would solve that problem but sleeves in a psa holder look like crap. Older chrome cards are turning green, who knows what happens to them over time but they may start sticking due to the chemicals in the paper.

[Collect711711]

Yes it's this, the cards can start curling more in the holder and touch up against the surface of the holder making that oil/moisture smudge look. You can push on the holder and see the spot move around. Some cards move around in holders while others are so stuck/pressed to surface that that oil look shows up.



Long term will this stick to the holder? A sleeve would solve that problem but sleeves in a psa holder look like crap. Older chrome cards are turning green, who knows what happens to them over time but they may start sticking due to the chemicals in the paper.


Thank you for your advice! If so, the only way to remove it is to crack the holder...


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[pejc300]

I just bought 2 Patrick Mahomes Prizm Silver RC PSA 10. Not real happy it wasn't disclosed in the listing.

[Kio80]

Did anyone come up with any solution for this problem? Thanks

[ClipsandVols]

Did anyone come up with any solution for this problem? Thanks

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1321572

[RogerGodahell]

Just tap the case on its side and it will go away. Worked for me anyway.

[Kio80]

Just tap the case on its side and it will go away. Worked for me anyway.



Really? Doesn’t seem like it’s gonna work, the surface is kinda stuck to the case....


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[mindcycle]

Did anyone come up with any solution for this problem? Thanks

#noslabmovement

[Kio80]

#noslabmovement



Is that a cult?


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[mindcycle]

Is that a cult?


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Kinda, lol :D

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1321572

[Orangejello727]

bust the card out. Its worth the same whether its slabbed or not!!

[RogerGodahell]

Really? Doesn’t seem like it’s gonna work, the surface is kinda stuck to the case....


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I know. That's how you get it un stuck.

[Lancia Stratos]

It just happens with PSA graded cards. It isn’t moisture though. Just chrome sticking to plastic. I recently busted out some 99 Bowman Chrome cards that had this issue. None were stuck to the slab or damaged in any way

[goldkobe]

It just happens with PSA graded cards. It isn’t moisture though. Just chrome sticking to plastic. I recently busted out some 99 Bowman Chrome cards that had this issue. None were stuck to the slab or damaged in any way

yep and it happens to BGS cases too. I don't think it damage the card in anyway but it is hard to look at lol

[miscus555]

i have a SGC Rookie Bowman Chrome Lebron with this same issue. I kinda want to crossover to PSA also but i know i'm probably gonna have to crack it and give it a wipe down before i submit because the press up against the plastic probably created a smudge on the face of the card.

its been very annoying everytime i take a look at it. I thought it was moisture at first also

[miscus555]

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[Kio80]

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Looks like you live in a very humid place, even the label is getting ruined a little


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[miscus555]

I live in the northeast and had this card for a couple years. I know it also originated from the northeast but who knows where it was stored

[kevbojones]

Put them in rice? Like an iPhone?

[pacmon84]

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Did you ever crack this?

[whoaitsg33]

rice eh,

brown, white or jasmine? or does it matter?

[shindo03]

It's 100% not moisture. Like some have said it's the card pressing up against the slab, some years it happens more than others because the cards are slightly more "bowed" than other years.

[Kobe101]

Did you treat it with car wax before grading it? That's probably wax. If it is moisture, maybe leave in a ziploc bag with some uncooked rice for a day? May draw the moisture out of the slab.

Was the car wax thing a joke? Do people really do that ?

[n1nesports]

that thread title hit different lmao, then I open the thread and it just had to be Thon Maker huh? Well whatever you do with your cards ain't my business! :P Put it in a bag of rice!!

[n1nesports]

Put them in rice? Like an iPhone?

Didn't see you beat me to it, oh well I am not editing my previous post. :)!

Or those silica packs?

[cboog3105]

They're called Newton rings, happens a lot in newer CGC graded comics

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[sotexcollector]

these little packs might help. I always keep some in the collection box to keep any moister out. However, I do leave in dry climate weather, which also helps.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Desiccant-Non-Toxic-Absorb-Moisture-Beads-Bags-Packs-Silica-Gel-Packets/184338592581?hash=item2aeb6fb345:g:ffsAAOSwY4Neet0z

[miscus555]

I never cracked the Lebron Gold out because you never know what your grade will be when it’s a raw card again. I did ask SGC in person about it and they said since it’s an error on them, they could always reslab it for no charge. I asked them if it gets regraded also and they said it’s been graded already so basically it’s just put in a new slab. I know for a fact some cards can lose it’s mintness inside a slab at time over time


As for the newton rings on comic book slabs I have seen those but usually for comics, they put the comic inside an inner liner before it gets slabbed so you aren’t seeing the comic surface pressed up against the slab but actually the inner liner. It looks pretty clear to the eye and is cards used the same method it could help although we are talking about didn’t types of surfaces

[Josie27]

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Did Anyone experience the same ? How to remove the moisture out of the holder ?

Thanks guys.



Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm pretty sure some cards I got back from BGS had that same exact issue.

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[whiteboybill]

I have a Patrick Mahomes silver Prizm PSA10 that did this very same thing...it’s not moisture as I store cards in a humidity controlled room. It’s just the card pressed up against the case...nothing to be worried about.

[rustywest]

This is the price you may pay when your card gets sent to jail :coffee:

Choose to protect your card yourself, just change the sleeve.

[k13]

I have a Patrick Mahomes silver Prizm PSA10 that did this very same thing...it’s not moisture as I store cards in a humidity controlled room. It’s just the card pressed up against the case...nothing to be worried about.

over time it will be a worry.

All these cases/grading are there to protect cards yet they do the opposite.
As long as people pay for the stupid holder then it does not matter.

[miscus555]

good point

[brock]

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This Luka Holo I picked up on eBay has this problem. Undisclosed in the description and original listing pic looks clean. It looks like Luka has that skin issue where you've got wild variations on pigment...

Consensus is that this won't cause long term damage? I'm considering returning it to the seller given how ugly it looks.


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[cboog3105]

Moo-ka?

[brock]

Adding the listing pic:
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Now that I know what to look for, I think I see it on Luka's right bicep... But the listing made no mention of this unsightly condition.


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[RedMike]

Adding the listing pic:
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Now that I know what to look for, I think I see it on Luka's right bicep... But the listing made no mention of this unsightly condition.


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I had cards like that - it doesn't appear to be moisture just the card touching the surface. Maybe the card has a natural bend to ti.

You can always send it in to get it reslabbed or ask for 10 bucks from the seller as compensation to reslab.

[onenonly0]

It happens to a lot of 2016-17 Optic Basketball cards. It is the card touching the slab. I ended up sending three of my PSA 10s for reholder.


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[brock]

And now seeing that the seller bought this slab at a discount the week before because of the issue. He bought low, provided pics that didn't show the issue and didn't disclose it either. Here is what the 1st seller said:

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And then what my seller said:

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This fact pattern alone is pushing me towards a return.


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[molly1984]

lol you could claim it's a 1 of 1, super rare card of Luka with vitaligo!

[duron]

Can I change my username to Newton rings?

[PelicanFly]

This fact pattern alone is pushing me towards a return.



You should try rice/silica gel in a small space to see if anything changes. All modern "prizm" coated cards since 2016 have this humidity issue. With a 20 year old Zion already resting his ailing legs and body, when his team is trying to get into the playoffs btw, all trends point to Luka being the next guy behind Giannis. If I was the seller, I would love for you to return that card.

[actionbryan]

This issue should absolutely be disclosed in an eBay listing . It kills the eye appeal.

Doesn’t matter if the card is technically not damaged , eye appeal is huge . I have a few and it sucks . Didn’t return because they were low end . If they were high end I’d have no shame in returning and would consider outing the seller of they gave me push back (and didn’t disclose the issue in original listing )

[bloodwings19]

They're called Newton rings, happens a lot in newer CGC graded comics

I've gotten CGC returns this year- all are good. But last year was pretty prevalent. CGC responded to it last year around December saying they will do their best to eliminate it. Like all grading companies, they have re-submits.

[jfan2024]

Bumping for visibility. Did anyone discover a solution to this besides get it re-holdered?

[brock]

Bumping for visibility. Did anyone discover a solution to this besides get it re-holdered?


I think reholder is the only choice. I gave my eBay seller neutral feedback for clearly hiding the issue.

Don't worry, he reported me for feedback extortion (I 100% never asked for a discount or anything... Just explained the facts to him, said I was disappointed and was contemplating a return. Ultimately did not return. Left neutral feedback) and got the feedback removed. eBay is trash.


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[LoveLondon]

I think reholder is the only choice. I gave my eBay seller neutral feedback for clearly hiding the issue.

Don't worry, he reported me for feedback extortion (I 100% never asked for a discount or anything... Just explained the facts to him, said I was disappointed and was contemplating a return. Ultimately did not return. Left neutral feedback) and got the feedback removed. eBay is trash.


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So you gave him a neutral and didn’t even contact him to see if he would accept a return or anything?

[hauntedcomputer]

I think reholder is the only choice. I gave my eBay seller neutral feedback for clearly hiding the issue.

Don't worry, he reported me for feedback extortion (I 100% never asked for a discount or anything... Just explained the facts to him, said I was disappointed and was contemplating a return. Ultimately did not return. Left neutral feedback) and got the feedback removed. eBay is trash.


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ebay has access to all the communications and uses it to decide cases. Therefore, always just be factual, never "consider" anything, and if you are not going to take any action, do nothing. If you are going to take action, just take the action.

I've had some of the PSA labels get a little rippled but haven't seen anything on cards. Think I will just store in the attic where it's dry. I do wonder about the long-term effects of modern card surfaces, especially on cards treated with wax and stuff.

[brock]

So you gave him a neutral and didn’t even contact him to see if he would accept a return or anything?


I contacted him and said I was disappointed he didn't disclose the condition and sent him a pic of the Newton Rings. Then I discovered he bought the card at a good discount the week before due to the rings. Told him I was leaning towards a return based on the fact that he clearly must've known about the condition, but would sleep on it and look for a replacement in eBay.

The prices on the Luka had gone up, so I told him I'd keep it and was not going to leave positive feedback. He told me to return it and said he would give me $10 to keep it. Lol.

I did not reply to his strange cash offer and left neutral feedback a week later. If that is feedback extortion I'm really confused.


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[cboog3105]

I've gotten CGC returns this year- all are good. But last year was pretty prevalent. CGC responded to it last year around December saying they will do their best to eliminate it. Like all grading companies, they have re-submits.

oh thats great news

now we just need our boy Gary Vee to start pumping comics :p

[PFF100]

I contacted him and said I was disappointed he didn't disclose the condition and sent him a pic of the Newton Rings. Then I discovered he bought the card at a good discount the week before due to the rings. Told him I was leaning towards a return based on the fact that he clearly must've known about the condition, but would sleep on it and look for a replacement in eBay.

The prices on the Luka had gone up, so I told him I'd keep it and was not going to leave positive feedback. He told me to return it and said he would give me $10 to keep it. Lol.

I did not reply to his strange cash offer and left neutral feedback a week later. If that is feedback extortion I'm really confused.


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So he offered you a full refund for a return, or essentially a $10 partial refund to keep it and you still gave him a neutral? Seems like he at least tried to work with you


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[brock]

So he offered you a full refund for a return, or essentially a $10 partial refund to keep it and you still gave him a neutral? Seems like he at least tried to work with you


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The issue was the fact that he intentionally hid the condition. And in the intervening period, the price of the card went up. Had he properly disclosed the condition of the card, I could've purchased from another seller at the same price. Neither a return or a $10 credit would provide a sufficient remedy. And he kept insisting he didn't know the card had an issue. Which was a complete crock. My neutral said something about how he "bought a card with issues at a lower price and resold without disclosing the issue. Beware of condition."


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[whiteboybill]

I currently own many PSA PC Cards and only ONE has these Newton
rings...my one and only football card. Silver Prizm Mahomes RC. Should I have it re slabbed, or leave as is?

[JohnpLJ2]

Use the silica bags you get with shoes & products,
I have my PC in a cold dark locker because I live somewhere with heat & I lucky work picking products at work that have them.
I collected thousands in the last year & covered the inside of the containers & covered the whole inside of the locker with 5 levels of cards of just 2 different players,who I'm now chasing cards I have with faded autos for being stupid enough to display my cards,
I even covered my PC in my room with a sheet before I left for work & made sure no light came in.but it was late,I started to get a lit of the high end cards back,
But now all my cards Autos will stay blue & not a faded black like do manynuce cards I wanted to look at when I got back from work,
I had a bgs slabbed card that because of the thickness of the patch card compressed into the slab,& looked like that PSA at top.
That went away with the silica bags covering everything,
Please keep your cards out of sunlight & the lights from inside your house for long periods of time.
Just take them out to add new cards bought & enjoy seeing them then.
Besides that keep them hidden & in a cool dry spot.

[asujbl]

What a wild bump

[duron]

Someone had mentioned in another thread that while newton rings are prevalent, it’s still unfortunately moisture at times, not just the card pressing flush against the holder.

And I could be mistaken, but there’s a way to differentiate the two.

[hxcmilkshake]

Just take your pants off and air dry

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[pharmd19]

Didn't want to create a new thread just for this question, I'm sure someone knows the answer. I'm going through a lot of my 2018-19 prizm basketball and have quite a few cards in penny sleeves that have created some kind of moisture/residue on the card surface.

If I remember correctly this was a common problem people were finding after storing this set in penny sleeves. Is there a solution to deal with this? Would love to submit some for grading but need to get the surface looking better before doing so.

[ninjabum87]

I think its just those cards. If you leave them even in low humidity rooms those prizm cards start sticking to anything they touch.

[Cardsandcoffee]

https://thinksportscards.com/moisture-in-psa-cards-newton-rings/

[imbluestreak23]

It took 15-20 years for the old school chrome cards to green and have "sticky" damaged surfaces.

Only took Poopini Prizm 2018 6 years. INCREDIBLE!

I'd try some Kurts Duckbutter wax

[pharmd19]

I think its just those cards. If you leave them even in low humidity rooms those prizm cards start sticking to anything they touch.

Yes these have been stored in a low humidity spare closest in a temperature controlled environment.

https://thinksportscards.com/moisture-in-psa-cards-newton-rings/

I may not have been specific enough, but these are raw ungraded cards.

It took 15-20 years for the old school chrome cards to green and have "sticky" damaged surfaces.

Only took Poopini Prizm 2018 6 years. INCREDIBLE!

I'd try some Kurts Duckbutter wax

Is that a serious recommendation or just joking around kind of thing? I see more and more people using this Kurts card care and it seems frowned upon but it would be nice if it would remove these surface issues from sticking to the penny sleeve. I can rub it with a microfiber cloth and it seems to get rid of it somewhat but not completely.

[bloodwings19]

Yes these have been stored in a low humidity spare closest in a temperature controlled environment.
.

2018-19 Prizm and Optic. I graded and bought those year's rookie cards, some of them have Newton Rings. If it really bugs you, try re-slabbing them, but for a fee. I know CGC once said if you re-slab them, the grade may not be the same.

[boxbuster7]

PSA is the gold standard though...your investments are safe as long as they're in the slab

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[hermanotarjeta]

Just take your pants off and air dry

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This is the correct answer.

[ninjacookies]

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PSA slabs got that wet wet frfr.

[pharmd19]

So I guess I should have created a new thread since all the replies were about cards already in a PSA holder lol. Understandable.

I just didn't want to create a new thread few people would care about to see if there is a way to deal with this on raw cards.

I guess I will see if that Kurts card care works or not.