2019 Select FOTL NFL Dutch Auction 2/11

[Pathora]

https://www.paniniamerica.net/1st-off-the-line-premium-edition-2019-select-nfl-trading-cards.html

Feburary 11th 10 CST.

Starting at $500 with a floor of $200.

5 Cards per pack, 5 packs per box. 2 Autos + Neon Orange /11 and 1 Neon Orange RPA /23 or less.

Tiger Stripes exclusive to FOTL 1:4 boxes on average.

[FloppyWhoppy]

Saving my $$$$$ for Select. I LOVE Select.

[dcarado]

Floor of $200... this might be the first Dutch auction to not sell out.

[blevins26]

Am I remembering correctly to say this was $120 last year?

I recall that I got 3 boxes and basically ripped them and broke even on them. Didn't hit any major hits but was able to grind my way to even. Overall, the experience was fun but I had to put in work to make sure I didn't lose money.

[Siberian13]

Dutch for football without a player hyping it. Get that money

[zhiyuchen90]

Did contenders sold @225? Select sell out at 200?

[bravesfan#1]

Did contenders sold @225? Select sell out at 200?

Contenders hit the floor of $200 before sellout

[Onepocketj]

$200? That's a no from me dawg

[phil]

Contenders hit the floor of $200 before sellout


It did sell out within a couple minutes of hitting $200, though. So demand was pretty strong at or near that price.

[phil]

Guessing same should happen with Select. Most will wait for it to hit the floor then there will be a rush buying at that price. 3300 boxes is a lot for this, though.

[KhalDrogo]

XRC is the only thing that would intrigue me from this.

[brothertona]

XRC's though are only going to be in the hobby format, it didn't really mention if XRC would be in FOTL.

[rippev]

The floor is way too high on this IMO. Nobody driving this rookie class at all. Kyler pretty much won OROTY by default.

[oldgoldy97]

Are they going to sneak Zion in this?

Then no.

[majestik101]

Dutch for football without a player hyping it. Get that money

$200 is such a ridiculous price for this stuff. Pretty much ALL football products these days are overpriced to the gills. I also bet they will somehow sneak points cards in the boxes like they have in other FOTL releases. FOTL is a shadow of its former self.


XRC's though are only going to be in the hobby format, it didn't really mention if XRC would be in FOTL.

Very good point.

[brothertona]

Hobby Select that is a winner, XRC's of Burrow, Young, and Tua are gonna be crazy hot, and the draft is actually good QB heavy.

[blevins26]

XRC's though are only going to be in the hobby format, it didn't really mention if XRC would be in FOTL.

They were in last year. Because of the dutch-auction style format and opportunity to sell the FOTL at premium prices, I would think Panini would keep them in FOTL this year.

The only thing holding them out of FOTL does is make people pay less for FOTL and more for hobby.

[blevins26]

They were in last year. Because of the dutch-auction style format and opportunity to sell the FOTL at premium prices, I would think Panini would keep them in FOTL this year.

The only thing holding them out of FOTL does is make people pay less for FOTL and more for hobby.


Also, it says right on the Panini website in the OP that you can find XRC's falling 3 per case. :doh:

[brothertona]

Since these are sold individually not in case format that would imply hobby would have these as hits not FOTL.

[OneBuck]

I hate this new format. This was one of my favorite boxes last year, but you were getting 60 cards at $120 with the FOTL exclusives. Now it's down to less than half the cards at 25 and the price is doubled or more at $200-$500. I could even get behind the dutch auctions if it was the old format of a regular hobby box with the FOTL exclusives added. I've just had way too many dud boxes and these checklists are just entirely too big for me to throw that much at it with this format. I think i'd rather just have a regular hobby box at the same price, personally.

[mfisher27]

Since these are sold individually not in case format that would imply hobby would have these as hits not FOTL.

I would think it being listed in the FOTL description would imply they’re in FOTL. Even though they’re not sold in case format, I doubt they’d put that line in the description if it’s only in the hobby release.

[rippev]

I would think it being listed in the FOTL description would imply they’re in FOTL. Even though they’re not sold in case format, I doubt they’d put that line in the description if it’s only in the hobby release.

You’re giving panini far too much credit.

[bravesfan#1]

How did numbered Prizms fall in last year’s FOTL? This year it looks like 6 numbered Prizms per box. Content looks good, just wish they hadn’t raised the price. These were VERY popular last year.

[brothertona]

Apparently XRC are in every 4 FOTL boxes.

[E B]

Too many people are spending on basketball. Crappy draft class for NFL this will hit the floor but I’ll pass.

[rippev]

Will this be the first Dutch to hit the floor? I think so. Kind of smart to have their floor at still a steep price for this draft class.

[DUCKanay]

Rookie auto checklist was at 42 last year? Assuming 40-50 this year it will equal 920-1150 Boxes.

With the Tiger Prizm parallel falling one every four boxes and with a 300-card set, puts it at 3-4 of each card only. Going to be a fun chase.

[phil]

Will this be the first Dutch to hit the floor? I think so. Kind of smart to have their floor at still a steep price for this draft class.



Contenders NFL did, briefly before selling out

[Tonic3]

Rookie auto checklist was at 42 last year? Assuming 40-50 this year it will equal 920-1150 Boxes.

If it follows last years format then the number of boxes will be 3x that number. Every rookie had 3 different “RPA’s” numbered to 23 last year for a total of 69 each.

[heatdawg]

Max I would pay is 150, im out.

[blevins26]

If it follows last years format then the number of boxes will be 3x that number. Every rookie had 3 different “RPA’s” numbered to 23 last year for a total of 69 each.

The collecting community hasn't called Panini out enough on this. They advertise "exclusive content" in the FOTL program as /9 or RPA's /23 and then they layer in multiple versions of those cards.

It's extremely misleading.

[dcarado]

It's very telling that this thread is a page and a half long right now. Everyone must be camped out at Target...

[SethMurphy]

It's very telling that this thread is a page and a half long right now. Everyone must be camped out at Target...

Is there a sale on Rice Krispie Treats I don't know about????????????


Damn it..... I need to restock

[blevins26]

The Dutch Auction format provides another angle for Panini to manipulate the market.

Maybe I'm wrong here but there is no way for us (buyers) to know how many boxes are available right?

Unless they have a counter that counts down the boxes available, only Panini knows how many boxes are available. They can just end the Dutch Auction anytime they want.

[dcarado]

The Dutch Auction format provides another angle for Panini to manipulate the market.

Maybe I'm wrong here but there is no way for us (buyers) to know how many boxes are available right?

Unless they have a counter that counts down the boxes available, only Panini knows how many boxes are available. They can just end the Dutch Auction anytime they want.

Once the checklist is released you can usually calculate the number of boxes, unless the exclusives are not numbered or say "/23 or less" or something like that. Panini is just capitalizing on the high-demand products. This one should be interesting because they would probably have sold out quickly at $200, indicating they are worth more than that. The Dutch format takes out a lot of the flipping factor so we should see a better indication of what the true demand is.

[jpcz]

Can't believe they are dragging this out over 2 hours, at $12.50 every 5 minutes. Was hoping this would be done in 1 hour like the latest basketball release. Why can't they pick a format and stick to it?

[nickha2]

With this draft class i wont even spend $200 on this.

[jetscollector10]

I think this could be a surprisingly good instant rip and flip. Joe burrow, Tua, and Chase young first NFL cards? If you hit one you kill the box on top of all the other stuff. Really depends if they are indeed 1 every 4 boxes or better.

[The Accountant]

The Dutch Auction format provides another angle for Panini to manipulate the market.

Maybe I'm wrong here but there is no way for us (buyers) to know how many boxes are available right?

Unless they have a counter that counts down the boxes available, only Panini knows how many boxes are available. They can just end the Dutch Auction anytime they want.
nvm..

[The Accountant]

With this draft class i wont even spend $200 on this.

there really isn't a whole lot of value in this. What would the best card even get you? $200?

[arashY]

I think this could be a surprisingly good instant rip and flip. Joe burrow, Tua, and Chase young first NFL cards? If you hit one you kill the box on top of all the other stuff. Really depends if they are indeed 1 every 4 boxes or better.

This is 2019. Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, etc

[phil]

Gonna take 2 hours to get to $200 yawn

[IowaCubs1]

This is 2019. Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, etc

Select has Pre-RC's.

[bigp621]

Will this be the first Dutch to hit the floor? I think so. Kind of smart to have their floor at still a steep price for this draft class.

First Dutch to hit the floor was Contenders FOTL. I picked up 2 when they re-posted on the site. Now they are $300 a box for no reason.

[fadster]

This is 2019. Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, etc

Select has redemption XRC cards for the next draft, in this case 2020. The cards are designated by player position and draft position, eg if you pull a QB3 card you can redeem it for the 3rd QB off the board in the 2020 draft.

[IowaCubs1]

Never thought about this but do find it funny that there are releases after the season/SB are even over and they are still considered "2019" and "RCs" yet here we are in mid February 2020. Just a thought.

[arashY]

Select has Pre-RC's.

Select has redemption XRC cards for the next draft, in this case 2020. The cards are designated by player position and draft position, eg if you pull a QB3 card you can redeem it for the 3rd QB off the board in the 2020 draft.

Ahhh thank you

[rippev]

First Dutch to hit the floor was Contenders FOTL. I picked up 2 when they re-posted on the site. Now they are $300 a box for no reason.

They can be had for quite a bit less than $300.

[DUCKanay]

If it follows last years format then the number of boxes will be 3x that number. Every rookie had 3 different “RPA’s” numbered to 23 last year for a total of 69 each.

Whack lol

[foreignscards]

this is going to $200

[bd3d86]

These were $120 last year....

This year was a worse rookie class
The format is worse

Why is it $80 more at the floor? I just don't get it. I know it's because they can, but still....:doh:

[phil]

Have to assume 3300 boxes going by the base parallel. That's a ton for this.

[progfan86]

I’ve never ordered from Panini before. What are the shipping costs for a box?

[sportzkid]

100% going to be available for a while at $200

Even at that you would need a really big hit just to brake even. A Reg RPA of any guy in this wouldnt even cover that Would need a low # RPA of one of a couple guys Rough

[oldgoldy97]

I hope it doesn’t sell out for weeks. Get these prices back to reasonable.

[ATLOTP]

This stuff sucks. I bought Contenders and Limited FOTL and they were both unsatisfying with quality issues. Shorted hits, points, I'm out.

[sportzkid]

is anyone actually buying any on here?

[smoothy207]

Just bought one and it took about 5 tries due to heavy volume, so I would guess the end is near.

[JeremyNick]

is anyone actually buying any on here?

I might when it hits $200. I can see the price going up early/mid next season with the draft class.

[phil]

Just bought one and it took about 5 tries due to heavy volume, so I would guess the end is near.




Doubt it. Not if there is really 3300 boxes.

[bravesfan#1]

Got my three, I'm out.

[phil]

Took 90 seconds to buy 3 at $200 not a good sign :)

[Onepocketj]

I wouldn't touch this at $150

[LftyStriker]

Just bought one and it took about 5 tries due to heavy volume, so I would guess the end is near.

I was able to get one in the cart w/in 30 seconds. I think I'm going to pass.

[E B]

I’m offended they are using sticker autos on this.

The future rookie card is a cool idea but at $200 this is priced beyond consideration.

[The Accountant]

gone! was just about to get 2 more :(

got 3 at least

[sportzkid]

Bought 3 at $212.50 + tax & 6 at $200

[bravesfan#1]

Out of Stock or pulled for a few minutes?

[gorillaz]

looks like it sold

[letsgetlucky]

Sold out

[sportzkid]

Did timer run out?

[LftyStriker]

They did sell out at 200.00

[E B]

I hope it doesn’t sell out for weeks. Get these prices back to reasonable.

I’m with you.

[phil]

Page pulled no reloads. Lots of suckers like us out there I guess.

[E B]

Good luck to the buyers.

[oldgoldy97]

It says sold out but it had a timer going all day that wasn’t the drop in price counter.

[blevins26]

At $200, it's not terrible IMO. The 2018 FOTL Select retails for $499 and BO is offering $300 per box. On a box-flipping basis, I think that's do-able.

It just looks like they've soaked up any major upside + eliminated the chances of rip & flip.

[jubei777]

yeah at the price point I couldn't pull the trigger.

[tolrobb]

im glad it sold out, i was waffling on the $200 price tag, and feel better knowing i didn't waste any money on it.

[anusinha]

200 is less than hobby, seems to be a no brainer to buy and hold at that point

[Onepocketj]

200 is less than hobby, seems to be a no brainer to buy and hold at that point

It's also only 25 cards

[rippev]

Did it get to $200 even?

[jpcz]

I ended up with 6 at 200. I love select and don't mind paying a little more for it. But I also got in hobby at 180 so no complaints. The first order of 3 went through immediately, no load issues. Debated on the second but when I saw the high volume I went for it. That order took about 30sec and completed. Oddly no emails but confirmation pages shown after order and orders are in my history with order numbers.

[guru]

I got 9 boxes. I bought one lot of 3 boxes at $212 plus tax and I got two orders of 3 boxes each at $200 plus tax.

My total is $1,947.75 / 9 = $216.42 per box. I'm pleased. :D:D

[phil]

No confirmation email yet here either

[phil]

200 is less than hobby, seems to be a no brainer to buy and hold at that point



Unless you are busy tying up almost every cent you have in retail Prizm/Optic/Mosaic basketball at MSRP :)

[gametime123]

I havent gotten an email either. I know this has been a bad sign in the past; but I also have an order # on panini website, but says "processing". Anyone have any insight?

[Stats]

I bought a bunch near the end and I think this product is a no brainer. You have tons of QBs from the 2019 draft and some big xrcs in the 2020 draft, along with the fotl exclusives

[DUCKanay]

Didn't buy in, but the floor is higher than past FB FOTL releases with the new XRC draft class coming out; Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Dobbins, Swift, Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III.

[majestik101]

When do these ship. What's the Blowout Bounty going to be

[Siberian13]

When do these ship. What's the Blowout Bounty going to be

They ship next Friday the 9th. Bounty is $185.

[rippev]

Despite my trash talk, I succumbed and bought 2 to break. I’m so ashamed of my discipline lol.

[Siberian13]

Despite my trash talk, I succumbed and bought 2 to break. I’m so ashamed of my discipline lol.

Weak!!!

[Magicman32]

Got them in my card at $200 but when I finally got it to process they were out of stock. Was going to do the $212 but thought they were going to do an in between since there was 10 minutes left....oh well

[phil]

Surprised to see Blowout paying $250 for Contenders FOTL. Didn't know they were that strong. I probably underestimated this, glad to have 3 at least.

[rippev]

Did anybody get confirmation emails?

[mc1]

Did anybody get confirmation emails?

That doesn’t matter. Check your order history.

[jpcz]

Did anybody get confirmation emails?

I got them at 5am EST. Two emails per order, actually. Lol

[Stats]

Rookie auto checklist was at 42 last year? Assuming 40-50 this year it will equal 920-1150 Boxes.

With the Tiger Prizm parallel falling one every four boxes and with a 300-card set, puts it at 3-4 of each card only. Going to be a fun chase.

If the Tiger Stripe Parallels are popular, and FOTL boxes are the only place to get them, the higher price will easily be justified.

[rippev]

If the Tiger Stripe Parallels are popular, and FOTL boxes are the only place to get them, the higher price will easily be justified.

They haven’t been FOTL exclusive in the past, have they?

[Stats]

They haven’t been FOTL exclusive in the past, have they?

This is the first time I've seen that with Select. I think they wanted to do something else to set this product apart as the "Premium" version this year

[guru]

Did anybody get confirmation emails?

Yes, I got all my emails confirming purchase just after 5:00 AM today.

[jpcz]

Got one shipping confirmation

[guru]

My 9 select boxes show the Fedex expected delivery date to be Monday :flex::flex:

[pharmboymatt]

Wow sick Drew Lock Pulsar RPA /23 has already hit the market (not mine)... beautiful card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333514242576

[rippev]

Wow sick Drew Lock Pulsar RPA /23 has already hit the market (not mine)... beautiful card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333514242576

Well that’s a beautiful card. Good to see him as not a redemption!

[trouts2]

Well that’s a beautiful card. Good to see him as not a redemption!

Yes but it’s a sticker so prob why it’s live

[Stats]

From breaks posted, it looks like every card in these boxes are a silver at minimum... it would make sense with the "Premium" format, but that was definitely unexpected

[anusinha]

Ive seen some early breaks, and it looks really good

[HeadstrongRSS]

Select is ALWAYS good. Every year.

[rippev]

BO bounty with a big jump to $250. This is likely because every card in the box is a ‘hit’, right? No case.

[Row]

Was VERY happy to see Darren Waller in the checklist. Will be chasing his cards from this release!

[Stats]

BO bounty with a big jump to $250. This is likely because every card in the box is a ‘hit’, right? No case.

Yeah I'm really interested to see what regular Select is like tomorrow

[jpcz]

At about 1230 this afternoon panini had select on their site for $150 starting tomorrow. Saw it at lunch time. Now, it's $225 on their site (hobby not FOTL). Kinda crappy of you ask me.

[bravesfan#1]

Panini app just raised the regular Select boxes from $150 to $225. Is this the release where the products they sell direct matches BO and other internet retailers?

[Ajax1723]

Came here to post about the Select jump in price as well.

Also note, in the details, they are saying that each box comes with 5 free packs of the NFL Sticker collection. Maybe that is how they are going to answer the "wtf this isn't MSRP" questions they should inevitable (and deserve to) get.

So basically they put a price out (MSRP) and say screw it. That's not a good sign for future releases.

[bravesfan#1]

Was just pulled from the site, lets see what happens with it when it comes back.

Back for me now and still 225. ughhhh

[daviswr7]

Very interesting 180 Panini has done on this....I'm sure it'll move at $225, but def a bush-league move.

[Ajax1723]

Very interesting 180 Panini has done on this....I'm sure it'll move at $225, but def a bush-league move.

I'm not quite as sure. I don't think it'll sit like Limited is, but it won't move like Plates did either.

Why even give an MSRP at this point of the MANUFACTURER isn't going to follow it?

[bravesfan#1]

I'm not quite as sure. I don't think it'll sit like Limited is, but it won't move like Plates did either.

Why even give an MSRP at this point of the MANUFACTURER isn't going to follow it?

but the bundled sticker packs add so much value!

[allstarcomics]

Never seen this happen before. They ever do this on another release?

[daviswr7]

Hobby cost is like $125ish...so yea that’s not MSRP...

[Ajax1723]

Hobby cost is like $125ish...so yea that’s not MSRP...

MSRP is $150.

[theleica]

MSRP is $150.

MSRP is now $225. Well that's at least according to Panini, who is releasing hobby boxes on they website. They were listed at $150 a box the past 5 days then tonight Panini jacked the prices up to $225.

[knuckleballerMC]

MSRP is now $225. Well that's at least according to Panini, who is releasing hobby boxes on they website. They were listed at $150 a box the past 5 days then tonight Panini jacked the prices up to $225.

How fast will it go at $225?

[The Accountant]

MSRP is now $225. Well that's at least according to Panini, who is releasing hobby boxes on they website. They were listed at $150 a box the past 5 days then tonight Panini jacked the prices up to $225.

I don't hate it. Bot bois were going to get them anyways. Might as well cut the profits out.

[mossoholic]

Never seen this happen before. They ever do this on another release?

They managed to do it twice in one day. If you think the Select Football move was bad, Optic Choice Basketball was $105 a box. Panini changed it to a Dutch auction starting at $700 with a basement of $300. Yes that is not a typo. Almost 3x's the MSRP from the company who makes it. Unreal

[jpcz]

Rookie auto checklist was at 42 last year? Assuming 40-50 this year it will equal 920-1150 Boxes.

With the Tiger Prizm parallel falling one every four boxes and with a 300-card set, puts it at 3-4 of each card only. Going to be a fun chase.

Is this the general consensus on the tiger? I had one in each of my 3 boxes (3 still sealed) which I thought was odd but maybe just really good luck.

One of my tiger was a die cut, others were not. While exclusive to FOTL I'm not sold on them being as ssp as led to believe.

[Rabs]

So are all base cards Silver Prizms this year?

[rippev]

So are all base cards Silver Prizms this year?

I watched a few breaks today, looked like there were true base cards..

[tmar214]

So are all base cards Silver Prizms this year?


In FOTL yes. In regular boxes no.

[progfan86]

So far FOTL is looking way better than regular hobby IMO. I watched a couple cases open and did not see 1 kyler, jones, lock or big name auto/patch/parallel.

[chrisfaceoff]

I lvoe this set, its one of my favorites each year, but the price jump scared me so i stayed away.

Ended up falling into the Zion hype, and found a huge amount of freshly stocked Optic retail. and just in 2 cards I made a profit. I still have about 300 Holos and prizms, base and rookies to sell off, and im sitting at about a $300 profit already, which is nice for once.

It'll help fund my football purchases in 2020 even as I take a step back a bit because of some new expenses I have to take care of. :)

[gametime123]

Select was my favorite FOTL bust of all time. Soo many things to look for! Anyways, anyone know the tiger stripe print run estimates? Wanna say I saw /3 somewhere? I have brees listed on eBay

[guru]

Select was my favorite FOTL bust of all time. Soo many things to look for! Anyways, anyone know the tiger stripe print run estimates? Wanna say I saw /3 somewhere? I have brees listed on eBay

I'm fairly confident the Tiger Stripe Prizm Parallels will be /5 or less :)!

[progfan86]

I'm fairly confident the Tiger Stripe Prizm Parallels will be /5 or less :)!

Zebras are 1 per case is that correct? So They would be less than Tiger Stripes?

[ctgalloway21]

saw a customer open a hobby box and got zero autos and only a 400 pt reward card. BARF

[guru]

Zebras are 1 per case is that correct? So They would be less than Tiger Stripes?

That's not necessarily true at all.

There are a lot less FOTL boxes made as compared to hobby.

I would actually guess the print runs to be the same. Zebra's might be more.

[progfan86]

That's not necessarily true at all.

There are a lot less FOTL boxes made as compared to hobby.

I would actually guess the print runs to be the same. Zebra's might be more.

Ah ok, I didn't realize the Tiger Parallel was exclusive to FOTL

[The Accountant]

Select is back on the website at $225.

[rippev]

Pricing on these keeps climbing. Selling up around $325 now.

[guru]

Pricing on these keeps climbing. Selling up around $325 now.

The FOTL boxes are far superior to the hobby boxes.

I expect the FOTL to be $400 a box soon, and that's with a weak 2019 Rookie class.

Panini really did a great job loading up Select FOTL this year.

[foleylion08]

Pricing on these keeps climbing. Selling up around $325 now.

Funny considering a week ago people were complaining that $200 was excessive.

[rippev]

Funny considering a week ago people were complaining that $200 was excessive.

That’s before we knew that literally every card in the box was an insert/silver.

[rippev]

Bumping this old thread. Crazy to think this hit the Dutch auction floor, and BO’s bounty is now $600.

[jpcz]

Jumped $100 overnight yesterday. Had 6, sitting on 3.

[Stats]

This thread is amazing to look back on some of the things people were saying at the time this auction launched

[rippev]

Any idea how frequent XRC's fell on these?