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Charismatic44th
06-26-2023, 02:44 PM
Brady would have 6 rings, Mahomes would have 3 rings at age 27. Brady beating Mahomes in this Superbowl will always help his argument if Mahomes were to test his GOAT status.

TheFrenzy
06-26-2023, 02:48 PM
Nothing Mahomes can accomplish at this point would allow him to pass Brady—he came up short both times when it mattered in the AFCCG and the Super Bowl.

I'm more willing to entertain the idea that Eli Manning trumped Brady than what-if's trying to move Scottie Pippen ahead of Michael Jordan.

jjrpilot
06-26-2023, 03:00 PM
Nothing Mahomes can accomplish at this point would allow him to pass Brady—he came up short both times when it mattered in the AFCCG and the Super Bowl.

I'm more willing to entertain the idea that Eli Manning trumped Brady than what-if's trying to move Scottie Pippen ahead of Michael Jordan.

Brady beat him for sure. But the Chiefs O-line was playing on backups and 3rd stringers. He had zero time. When he manufactured time, he literally hit his receivers in the face and no one caught a thing. Sad honestly.

Kingschwab4215
06-26-2023, 03:05 PM
Nothing Mahomes can accomplish at this point would allow him to pass Brady—he came up short both times when it mattered in the AFCCG and the Super Bowl.

I'm more willing to entertain the idea that Eli Manning trumped Brady than what-if's trying to move Scottie Pippen ahead of Michael Jordan.

So by your logic if Dee Ford lined up onside on Brady's game-ending interception, Patrick Mahomes would not have come up short...

Thanks for your nuanced contribution!

TheFrenzy
06-26-2023, 03:06 PM
Brady beat him for sure. But the Chiefs O-line was playing on backups and 3rd stringers. He had zero time. When he manufactured time, he literally hit his receivers in the face and no one caught a thing. Sad honestly.

I mean, if we want to give QBs credit for playing with subpar rosters and coming up short in the playoffs—then Tony Romo is a Hall of Famer.

As a Cowboys fan, I'm fine with those terms.

TheFrenzy
06-26-2023, 03:07 PM
So by your logic if Dee Ford lined up onside on Brady's game-ending interception, Patrick Mahomes would not have come up short...

Thanks for your nuanced contribution!

And all but one or two of Brady's Super Bowls were decided by a single play.

Do we accept the outcomes or not?

JeremyNick
06-26-2023, 03:25 PM
I’m for any thread that hypothetically pits Chiefs fans against Pats fans.

DaBears1985
06-26-2023, 04:08 PM
Wake me up when mahomes has 7 rings

The discussion starts there

majestik101
06-26-2023, 04:16 PM
the Chiefs O-line was playing on backups and 3rd stringers. He had zero time. When he manufactured time, he literally hit his receivers in the face and no one caught a thing. Sad honestly.

All I see are excuses. Chiefs had time to prepare. But they underestimated the Bucs defense and got taken to the woodshed. It happens. Bucs won that game fair and square.

Still my favorite post from the Official 2020 Superb Owl thread :cry:

https://i.imgur.com/5AvqNmp.jpg?1

jplarson
06-26-2023, 04:26 PM
Still my favorite post from the Official 2020 Superb Owl thread :cry:

I started to forget how much fun the weekly threads are with all the predictions and smack talk, only for it to come back on the OPs with the vengeance when things don't work out.

Oh, what if Mahomes beat Brady? Meh. He'd have 2 Super Bowl wins sooner. Perhaps he still wins the 3rd, perhaps not. He'd still need more. Doesn't matter if it's by age 27. It matters how many he has by the time he retires if the comparison is Brady.

TheFrenzy
06-26-2023, 04:46 PM
I started to forget how much fun the weekly threads are with all the predictions and smack talk, only for it to come back on the OPs with the vengeance when things don't work out.

Oh, what if Mahomes beat Brady? Meh. He'd have 2 Super Bowl wins sooner. Perhaps he still wins the 3rd, perhaps not. He'd still need more. Doesn't matter if it's by age 27. It matters how many he has by the time he retires if the comparison is Brady.

Imagine a 3-ring Mahomes pulling a "nothing to left to prove, so I'm retiring with my health and millions."

jplarson
06-26-2023, 04:56 PM
Imagine a 3-ring Mahomes pulling a "nothing to left to prove, so I'm retiring with my health and millions."

The Mahomies would implode.

majestik101
06-26-2023, 05:01 PM
Imagine a 3-ring Mahomes pulling a "nothing to left to prove, so I'm retiring with my health and millions."

The Mahomies would implode.

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JeremyNick
06-26-2023, 05:02 PM
All I see are excuses. Chiefs had time to prepare. But they underestimated the Bucs defense and got taken to the woodshed. It happens. Bucs won that game fair and square.

Still my favorite post from the Official 2020 Superb Owl thread :cry:

It’s funny these posts don’t get bumped by Mahomies as often as the shoulder thread or threads about Russ Wilson.

tjforce
06-26-2023, 05:04 PM
Brady played at a high level for 20 years.

We didnt have this conversation about Lebron and MJ in 2009 when LeBron was still on the Cavs the first time, so let’s wait until Mahomes gets about a dozen years under his belt before we compare the two.

But it is nice to see that Mahomes vs anyone else currently playing isnt a needed conversation right now.


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thesportslab
06-26-2023, 05:07 PM
I get the thread. Head-to-head is huge. We got it with Brady/Mahomes, whereas D12 robbed us of Kobe/Bron in the NBA. A Mahomes win would probably mean if he ended up with 4-5 rings, the debate would be intense. The L will make Brady almost insurmountable.

Brady beat him for sure. But the Chiefs O-line was playing on backups and 3rd stringers. He had zero time. When he manufactured time, he literally hit his receivers in the face and no one caught a thing. Sad honestly.

If you want to play the DL overmatched the OL in a Super Bowl , a fun one is: What if the Pats won Super Bowl XLII to complete the 19-0 season? In this hypothetical exercise, Brady is (even more so) completely untouchable.

JeremyNick
06-26-2023, 07:03 PM
Brady played at a high level for 20 years.

We didnt have this conversation about Lebron and MJ in 2009 when LeBron was still on the Cavs the first time, so let’s wait until Mahomes gets about a dozen years under his belt before we compare the two.

But it is nice to see that Mahomes vs anyone else currently playing isnt a needed conversation right now.


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This is a hypothetical about a Brady/Mahomes game.

Only you would feel so threatened to need to justify it by bringing other QBs in.

tjforce
06-27-2023, 12:22 AM
This is a hypothetical about a Brady/Mahomes game.

Only you would feel so threatened to need to justify it by bringing other QBs in.

Threated how?

They are my two favorite QBs of all time, and the two NFL players I have the best PCs of.

I think it's pointless to argue theoreticals when you could instead just judge them both on their own actual merits, sit back just enjoy the great football that each of them has played.

Trust me, it's been an amazing time having been on the Brady train since 2001 when I started following their playoff run, then having great luck again when I began following Mahomes heading into his 2018 season and collecting him a year later.

JeremyNick
06-27-2023, 07:14 AM
Threated how?

They are my two favorite QBs of all time, and the two NFL players I have the best PCs of.

I think it's pointless to argue theoreticals when you could instead just judge them both on their own actual merits, sit back just enjoy the great football that each of them has played.

Trust me, it's been an amazing time having been on the Brady train since 2001 when I started following their playoff run, then having great luck again when I began following Mahomes heading into his 2018 season and collecting him a year later.

Do you ever self scout?

tjforce
06-27-2023, 11:27 AM
Do you ever self scout?


You think way too much about me.

It’s wierd.


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JeremyNick
06-27-2023, 11:33 AM
You think way too much about me.

It’s wierd.


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I like to people watch. You just happen to be one of the loudest. It’s always interesting.

SleeperCards
06-27-2023, 01:04 PM
It’s funny these posts don’t get bumped by Mahomies as often as the shoulder thread or threads about Russ Wilson.

In my defense I bumped the Russell Wilson Chrome Ref thread because Frenzy had just bought an 8 and a 9 and it triggered my memory of the $10k thread.

TheFrenzy
06-27-2023, 01:06 PM
In my defense I bumped the Russell Wilson Chrome Ref thread because Frenzy had just bought an 8 and a 9 and it triggered my memory of the $10k thread.

The great unspoken agreement is that I get to make memes about Mahomies in exchange for not buying any of his stuff.

JeremyNick
06-27-2023, 01:28 PM
In my defense I bumped the Russell Wilson Chrome Ref thread because Frenzy had just bought an 8 and a 9 and it triggered my memory of the $10k thread.

You’re a fringe Mahomie. I don’t think you regularly drink water after midnight.

jplarson
06-27-2023, 02:26 PM
What if Mahomes beat Tom Brady WITH an amputated throwing shoulder?

pcptrade
06-27-2023, 03:09 PM
What if Mahomes beat Tom Brady WITH an amputated throwing shoulder?

He already has. He is 3-3 against Brady despite a problem with his throwing shoulder :D

Stifle
06-27-2023, 04:14 PM
So by your logic if Dee Ford lined up onside on Brady's game-ending interception, Patrick Mahomes would not have come up short...

Thanks for your nuanced contribution!

So by your logic, why didn’t a fellow teammate tell Ford to backup 5 yards to at least be near the line of scrimmage? That offsides was brutally obvious therefore the interception was meaningless.

If Mahomes in that game would have at least drove the team into field goal range or did anything in the first half of that game KC would have won. Why doesn’t anybody critique Mahomes for being AWOL in the first half. That is what cost the Chiefs the game. By the way, the Chiefs did have their Offensive Lineman for that game. Brady had won without Gronk and many other injured players.

Another member mentioned that their records are identical. That is as true as Brady beating Eli & the Giants in the last regular season game. We all remember the Post Season games because they are not regular, they are more meaningful. Mahomes lost a home game & neutral site game.

Your contribution was extremely helpful in critiquing why Brady’s 2 Post Season victories will be the difference.

Retired hobbist
06-27-2023, 06:47 PM
Nothing Mahomes can accomplish at this point would allow him to pass Brady—he came up short both times when it mattered in the AFCCG and the Super Bowl.

I'm more willing to entertain the idea that Eli Manning trumped Brady than what-if's trying to move Scottie Pippen ahead of Michael Jordan.

Scotty Pipen cried and left the court when he didn't have the last short in the Jordan baseball years.

pejc300
06-27-2023, 06:54 PM
So by your logic, why didn’t a fellow teammate tell Ford to backup 5 yards to at least be near the line of scrimmage? That offsides was brutally obvious therefore the interception was meaningless.

If Mahomes in that game would have at least drove the team into field goal range or did anything in the first half of that game KC would have won. Why doesn’t anybody critique Mahomes for being AWOL in the first half. That is what cost the Chiefs the game. By the way, the Chiefs did have their Offensive Lineman for that game. Brady had won without Gronk and many other injured players.

Another member mentioned that their records are identical. That is as true as Brady beating Eli & the Giants in the last regular season game. We all remember the Post Season games because they are not regular, they are more meaningful. Mahomes lost a home game & neutral site game.

Your contribution was extremely helpful in critiquing why Brady’s 2 Post Season victories will be the difference.

Just watched the Dee Ford play again. This wasn't a case of a QB recognizing a player is offsides and taking a "free" play. Brady didn't know he was offsides; his receiver just dropped a very catchable ball and the game absolutely would have/should have been over.

Now the 31-9 beat down? Yes Mahomes did everything he could, but that was definitely a huge win for Brady in the all-time lore category. I still think as long as Mahomes wins at least 5 SBs he'll be considered the greatest ever because by that point he'll have every passing record as well. But he has a loooooong way to go.

Charismatic44th
06-27-2023, 07:08 PM
This thread was meant to show how important Brady's Superbowl victory is over Mahomes. Similarily, I know it is still very, very early (did I mention very) but it is also important that Messi beat Mbappe in the World Cup. As someone said before, we never got this with Lebron and Kobe or Kobe and Jordan. These big game matchups are, and should be, integral to GOAT conversations.

Stifle
06-27-2023, 07:41 PM
Just watched the Dee Ford play again. This wasn't a case of a QB recognizing a player is offsides and taking a "free" play. Brady didn't know he was offsides; his receiver just dropped a very catchable ball and the game absolutely would have/should have been over.

Now the 31-9 beat down? Yes Mahomes did everything he could, but that was definitely a huge win for Brady in the all-time lore category. I still think as long as Mahomes wins at least 5 SBs he'll be considered the greatest ever because by that point he'll have every passing record as well. But he has a loooooong way to go.

First off, Mahomes has a crazy incredible skill set. Secondly, being the GOAT isn’t about skill set, it’s about decision making for a quarterback.

I think the world of Mahomes because in that SB, he was making throws that most people couldn’t even dream about performing. Mahomes is 2/3 in SB’s. It’s so tough to get to just the next one. Mahomes needs to get past Montana before we start talking Brady. Lastly, Mahomes would need 8 SB victories before passing Brady, Tom has the tiebreaker.

SleeperCards
06-27-2023, 07:51 PM
This thread was meant to show how important Brady's Superbowl victory is over Mahomes. Similarily, I know it is still very, very early (did I mention very) but it is also important that Messi beat Mbappe in the World Cup. As someone said before, we never got this with Lebron and Kobe or Kobe and Jordan. These big game matchups are, and should be, integral to GOAT conversations.

No they shouldn't, this is football, not a 1v1 or even a 5v5 basketball game. Championship arguments are stupid in football, and I'll continue to preach it.

SleeperCards
06-27-2023, 07:54 PM
Mahomes could win 0 more Super Bowls and still end up the GOAT. He could also win the next 6 SBs in a row and immediately retire and NOT be the GOAT as he wouldn't be near Brady on the longevity stats.

TheFrenzy
06-27-2023, 07:55 PM
No they shouldn't, this is football, not a 1v1 or even a 5v5 basketball game. Championship arguments are stupid in football, and I'll continue to preach it.

#JusticeForKenAnderson

Onepocketj
06-27-2023, 08:11 PM
No they shouldn't, this is football, not a 1v1 or even a 5v5 basketball game. Championship arguments are stupid in football, and I'll continue to preach it.

That can't be true. In Super Bowl XXXVI Brady was the MVP. Doesn't matter that he had 145 yards passing and Warner had 365. The only thing that matters is the win...

tjforce
06-27-2023, 08:19 PM
Mahomes could win 0 more Super Bowls and still end up the GOAT. He could also win the next 6 SBs in a row and immediately retire and NOT be the GOAT as he wouldn't be near Brady on the longevity stats.

I think this part is extreme, because if you really are the greatest compared to guys who played for 15-20 years, then that by itself if enough to get you a Super Bowl win over that span with even just average teams around you.

But ranking purely on number of Super Bowl wins just doesn't make sense. I can't imagine anyone who knows much about football would rank Troy Aikman a better QB than Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Aaron Rodgers, even thought he's won more Super Bowls than each of them.

jplarson
06-27-2023, 08:38 PM
#JusticeForKenAnderson

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MFaulkCollector
06-27-2023, 08:51 PM
NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT IFS........ HYPOTHETICALS ARE FOR LOSERS

Greatness is determined by your resume... PERIOD.

Brady has 7 rings, 3 MVPS, nearly 600 TD passes, like 40 playoff wins, a 20 plus year career with the highest winning percentage ever, he has like 250 wins.....Brady... at 40 years old went to KC and beat MVP Mahomes and took a SB from him....... later in his 40's he beat Mahomes in a SB playing for a different team

Brady's resume is superior to pretty much anyone in any sport.

The comp at this point is Mahomes and Rodgers

Rodgers resume boasts 1 Super Bowl, 4 MVP's, 11 Playoff wins, and he's in the top 10 for wins with a top 5-6 winning percentage.... he is nearing 500 TD passes... he boasts the best 2 statistical seasons ever by a NFL QB with ratings of 122.5 and 121.5.... and did that 10 years apart

Mahomes boasts 2 Super Bowls and 2 MVP's...... 11 playoff wins.... he is in the top 3 in winning percentage........ end of resume

For Mahomes to eclipse Rodgers he needs more playoff wins and another 80-90 wins and 300 TD passes (assuming no more SB or MVP)

Hypotheticals are stupid........... Facts aren't..... A resume is a list of facts for what your career was and things that happened. Mahomes resume needs a TON more to get him into the top 5-8 convo............. although I do think he's top 15 ish already as once you get to that point overall resumes just aren't as strong as I would have thought....... but that top 5-6 especially, those resumes are incredible

Onepocketj
06-27-2023, 09:10 PM
Brady's resume is superior to pretty much anyone in any sport.



Gretzky would like a word.

SleeperCards
06-27-2023, 09:26 PM
NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT IFS........ HYPOTHETICALS ARE FOR LOSERS

Greatness is determined by your resume... PERIOD.

Brady has 7 rings, 3 MVPS, nearly 600 TD passes, like 40 playoff wins, a 20 plus year career with the highest winning percentage ever, he has like 250 wins.....Brady... at 40 years old went to KC and beat MVP Mahomes and took a SB from him....... later in his 40's he beat Mahomes in a SB playing for a different team

Brady's resume is superior to pretty much anyone in any sport.

The comp at this point is Mahomes and Rodgers

Rodgers resume boasts 1 Super Bowl, 4 MVP's, 11 Playoff wins, and he's in the top 10 for wins with a top 5-6 winning percentage.... he is nearing 500 TD passes... he boasts the best 2 statistical seasons ever by a NFL QB with ratings of 122.5 and 121.5.... and did that 10 years apart

Mahomes boasts 2 Super Bowls and 2 MVP's...... 11 playoff wins.... he is in the top 3 in winning percentage........ end of resume

For Mahomes to eclipse Rodgers he needs more playoff wins and another 80-90 wins and 300 TD passes (assuming no more SB or MVP)

Hypotheticals are stupid........... Facts aren't..... A resume is a list of facts for what your career was and things that happened. Mahomes resume needs a TON more to get him into the top 5-8 convo............. although I do think he's top 15 ish already as once you get to that point overall resumes just aren't as strong as I would have thought....... but that top 5-6 especially, those resumes are incredible

Mahomes has already eclipsed Rodgers. Rodgers is so 2000late.

MFaulkCollector
06-27-2023, 09:40 PM
Gretzky would like a word.

eh...... I'd argue Brady...... but Gretzky's superiority above his peers is on that type of level

TheFrenzy
06-27-2023, 09:45 PM
Patrick Mahomes: 58th in passing touchdowns, 84th in passing yards.

LeGarrette Blount: 59th in rushing touchdowns, 84th in rushing yards.

Can we please wait until Mahomes played long enough to actually qualify for this kind of debate?

Stifle
06-27-2023, 09:49 PM
NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT IFS........ HYPOTHETICALS ARE FOR LOSERS

Greatness is determined by your resume... PERIOD.

Brady has 7 rings, 3 MVPS, nearly 600 TD passes, like 40 playoff wins, a 20 plus year career with the highest winning percentage ever, he has like 250 wins.....Brady... at 40 years old went to KC and beat MVP Mahomes and took a SB from him....... later in his 40's he beat Mahomes in a SB playing for a different team

Brady's resume is superior to pretty much anyone in any sport.

The comp at this point is Mahomes and Rodgers

Rodgers resume boasts 1 Super Bowl, 4 MVP's, 11 Playoff wins, and he's in the top 10 for wins with a top 5-6 winning percentage.... he is nearing 500 TD passes... he boasts the best 2 statistical seasons ever by a NFL QB with ratings of 122.5 and 121.5.... and did that 10 years apart

Mahomes boasts 2 Super Bowls and 2 MVP's...... 11 playoff wins.... he is in the top 3 in winning percentage........ end of resume

For Mahomes to eclipse Rodgers he needs more playoff wins and another 80-90 wins and 300 TD passes (assuming no more SB or MVP)

Hypotheticals are stupid........... Facts aren't..... A resume is a list of facts for what your career was and things that happened. Mahomes resume needs a TON more to get him into the top 5-8 convo............. although I do think he's top 15 ish already as once you get to that point overall resumes just aren't as strong as I would have thought....... but that top 5-6 especially, those resumes are incredible

Hypothetics are what creates thought. That alone may discombobulate those who are unable to realize a proposition made on a basis of reasoning. For those who can - it’s a thread for thought, therefore debate with data and make a case.

I understand what the thread was intended to do: create debate. Yes, I take MFaulkCollector’s stance in the fact that all the data of Brady’s resume vs a hypothetical career of Mahomes may overtake Brady as the GOAT. How about waiting till Mahomes not only continues with extreme success but is closer to being a top 5 quarterback instead of being the Goat with only 2 SB’s.

majestik101
06-27-2023, 10:11 PM
What if Donovan McNabb isn't dry heaving in the 4th quarter of Super Bowl XXXIX? Would Brady have one less ring?

JeremyNick
06-27-2023, 10:35 PM
eh...... I'd argue Brady...... but Gretzky's superiority above his peers is on that type of level

Le Magnifique would like a word.

tjforce
06-27-2023, 11:36 PM
Mahomes has already eclipsed Rodgers. Rodgers is so 2000late.

Just going off of what's on Pro-Football Reference, here's a resume comparison of the two without any further commentary (All time NFL Records in Bold):

Rodgers leads in:
-Yards
-TDs
-Int %
-MVPs
-Wins
-Completions
-Attempts
-Pro Bowls
-All Pros


Mahomes leads in:
-Yards per game
-TDs per game
-TD %
-Super Bowls Wins
-Super Bowl MVPs
-Conference Titles
-QB Rating
-OPOY
-Win %
-Completion %
-Playoff QB Rating
-Playoff win %
-Interceptions (lower)
-Adj yards per attempt
-Net yards per attempt

They each have 11 career playoff wins.

You could always dig deeper and find more stats, figures, and awards, but this covers a lot of the big ones that PFR highlights.

dfr52
06-28-2023, 12:24 PM
The Bucs defense was responsible for the Super Bowl win. As long as the offense didn't turn the ball over it didn't matter who was at QB. The Bucs were playing outstanding defense and the Chiefs were banged up on the OL, there isn't QB who would have faired much better. QB's are given way too much credit when it comes to winning a championship.

Onepocketj
06-28-2023, 01:19 PM
The Bucs defense was responsible for the Super Bowl win. As long as the offense didn't turn the ball over it didn't matter who was at QB. The Bucs were playing outstanding defense and the Chiefs were banged up on the OL, there isn't QB who would have faired much better. QB's are given way too much credit when it comes to winning a championship.

I can sense Sleeper furiously searching for the Denzel Training Day My N.... gif.

Or maybe it was the Stepbrothers - Did we just become best friends gif.

:)

SleeperCards
06-28-2023, 01:37 PM
The Bucs defense was responsible for the Super Bowl win. As long as the offense didn't turn the ball over it didn't matter who was at QB. The Bucs were playing outstanding defense and the Chiefs were banged up on the OL, there isn't QB who would have faired much better. QB's are given way too much credit when it comes to winning a championship.

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I can sense Sleeper furiously searching for the Denzel Training Day My N.... gif.

Or maybe it was the Stepbrothers - Did we just become best friends gif.

:)

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majestik101
06-28-2023, 01:43 PM
The Bucs defense was responsible for the Super Bowl win. As long as the offense didn't turn the ball over it didn't matter who was at QB. The Bucs were playing outstanding defense and the Chiefs were banged up on the OL, there isn't QB who would have faired much better. QB's are given way too much credit when it comes to winning a championship.

It was true in the 1960's with the Purple People Eaters, continued with the Steel Curtain of the 70's, the Monsters of the Midway in the 80's, and it held true in 2020. And still holds true going into 2023.

Offense wins the regular season. Defense wins championships.

JeremyNick
06-28-2023, 02:03 PM
Patrick Mahomes: 58th in passing touchdowns, 84th in passing yards.

LeGarrette Blount: 59th in rushing touchdowns, 84th in rushing yards.

Can we please wait until Mahomes played long enough to actually qualify for this kind of debate?

I love this post more than you can imagine.

tjforce
06-28-2023, 02:05 PM
Brady played at a high level for 20 years.

We didnt have this conversation about Lebron and MJ in 2009 when LeBron was still on the Cavs the first time, so let’s wait until Mahomes gets about a dozen years under his belt before we compare the two.

But it is nice to see that Mahomes vs anyone else currently playing isnt a needed conversation right now.


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Patrick Mahomes: 58th in passing touchdowns, 84th in passing yards.

LeGarrette Blount: 59th in rushing touchdowns, 84th in rushing yards.

Can we please wait until Mahomes played long enough to actually qualify for this kind of debate?


The amazing thing is that we are saying the same thing here.

kyle1707
06-28-2023, 02:20 PM
Well during off season I bought a 2017 prizm Psa 10

So I doubt mahomes ever wins another Super Bowl

Seems to happen when I “invest”

TheFrenzy
06-28-2023, 02:35 PM
Well during off season I bought a 2017 prizm Psa 10

So I doubt mahomes ever wins another Super Bowl

Seems to happen when I “invest”

I should probably get the raw one I bought back in 2018 graded.

no10pin
06-28-2023, 02:58 PM
Brady would have 6 rings, Mahomes would have 3 rings at age 27. Brady beating Mahomes in this Superbowl will always help his argument if Mahomes were to test his GOAT status.

I'm not reading this thread because it's stupid. I'd love to be able to just enjoy seeing the Chiefs be successful for the first time in my life, but I have to watch endless arguments with people who only love Mahomes for what he does for their wallet (not the OP, just the usual suspects).

There's no reason to debate what would have happened in this case because it didn't even come close to happening. The Chiefs were blown off the field in SB 55, it's not like a helmet catch or a playcall at the 1 yard line changing everything.

jplarson
06-28-2023, 09:48 PM
Mahomes has already eclipsed Rodgers. Rodgers is so 2000late.

Excellent! For the uninitiated:

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tjforce
06-29-2023, 12:15 AM
Mahomes has already eclipsed Rodgers. Rodgers is so 2000late.

Excellent! For the uninitiated:

https://y.yarn.co/3fecd61c-7ea6-4504-9fe9-02d4e839ac05_text.gif

Considering that the Black Eyed Peas were at the top of the charts with this song around the time Rodgers was in the Super Bowl last, this is probably the greatest obscure reference in Blowout History.

Archangel1775
06-29-2023, 06:45 AM
He's gonna need 8 rings /end thread

pejc300
06-29-2023, 03:53 PM
He's gonna need 8 rings /end thread

Meh, Jordan didn't need 9 rings to top Bill Russell.

marinocollector
06-30-2023, 10:39 AM
Brady beat him for sure. But the Chiefs O-line was playing on backups and 3rd stringers. He had zero time. When he manufactured time, he literally hit his receivers in the face and no one caught a thing. Sad honestly.

I mean, if we want to give QBs credit for playing with subpar rosters and coming up short in the playoffs—then Tony Romo is a Hall of Famer.

As a Cowboys fan, I'm fine with those terms.

OOOOOOHHHHH!!!!
And we can all finally agree Marino is the greatest all time!!!!

marinocollector
06-30-2023, 10:41 AM
Meh, Jordan didn't need 9 rings to top Bill Russell.

Thats because Boston is racist AF and never gave Bill Russell the love he deserves. How can you be considered a top 5 talent when your own city doesn't even love you as much as a white guy who gave you three rings?

BostonNut
06-30-2023, 02:21 PM
Thats because Boston is racist AF and never gave Bill Russell the love he deserves. How can you be considered a top 5 talent when your own city doesn't even love you as much as a white guy who gave you three rings?

Wait, what? :confused:

https://cdn10.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/bill-russell-statue.jpg

Archangel1775
07-01-2023, 03:12 PM
Meh, Jordan didn't need 9 rings to top Bill Russell.

Fair point but that's the NBA and different eras. In the NFL, they actually played head-to-head already on the biggest stage. Tom Brady-1 Mahomes-0. Mahomes had zero(0) TDs, zero(0) points in the 4th quarter and were blown out 31-9. He's gonna need 8 rings.