2025 NFL Offseason Thread

[Floridacardguy]

i wonder if there are any legs on Dak to the Browns via trade. i don’t know how reliable Bruce Drennan is but it’d make a bit more sense why Myles resigned (aside from cashing in obv).

Who is left in the Cowboy QB room now? Just Dak?
I think Ewers will be a Cowboy

[tjforce]

i wonder if there are any legs on Dak to the Browns via trade. i don’t know how reliable Bruce Drennan is but it’d make a bit more sense why Myles resigned (aside from cashing in obv).

It makes sense that the Browns would sacrifice their draft to try and win now.

Myles, Stefanski, Andrew Berry. Those guys need to win now. Overpay draft picks to roll out Dak, Jeudy, Auyuik, and Nijoku.

Can they pull it off? We shall see.

[Boo]

The Browns are going to end up with Captain Kirk.:)!

[Bosoxfan5990]

The Browns are going to end up with Captain Kirk.:)!

Anything is better than Deshaun.

[asujbl]

i wonder if there are any legs on Dak to the Browns via trade. i don’t know how reliable Bruce Drennan is but it’d make a bit more sense why Myles resigned (aside from cashing in obv).

Bruce Drennan is a super old man that hasn’t broke a story in 30 years

He’s not reliable

[asujbl]

This tweet said it best for anyone that knows who Bruce Drennan is

“Bruce Drennan walked into work this morning for his 45 minute weekly show and just broke the internet in Cleveland.

Gangster”

[Siberian13]

The Browns are going to end up with Captain Kirk.:)!

Don’t tease me

[packman80]

i wonder if there are any legs on Dak to the Browns via trade. i don’t know how reliable Bruce Drennan is but it’d make a bit more sense why Myles resigned (aside from cashing in obv).

Whomever was the clown who talked about this trade never heard of athing called the salary cap. A trade takes both QB's SB and puts it to the cap right now. Neither team can afford to take that cap hit. Dak cap hit on a trade is $150 million dollars.

[Scottish Punk]

Whomever was the clown who talked about this trade never heard of athing called the salary cap. A trade takes both QB's SB and puts it to the cap right now. Neither team can afford to take that cap hit. Dak cap hit on a trade is $150 million dollars.

Like duh, ya know? Watson's contract means you can't spend any significant money at the QB spot. Browns are playing vet minimum guys or rookie contracts at QB for the next two years. They put more void money in 2027 cap to make it work this year. So, Browns are going to want rookie contract QB for the next three years. Watson't cap hit next year as it stands now is 82 million!!

[Floridacardguy]

Whomever was the clown who talked about this trade never heard of athing called the salary cap. A trade takes both QB's SB and puts it to the cap right now. Neither team can afford to take that cap hit. Dak cap hit on a trade is $150 million dollars.

The issue with this trade ever happening is the idiots at the tops of these teams. They are 2 of the worst, unsuccessful teams in the past 25 yrs due to the way that the teams are run, and to terrible decision making. Even if a Dak trade helped both teams, and it was fiscally possible, the two teams combined could not figure out how to make it happen

[kipgen]

Of all QBs drafted in the last ten years, how many (and which ones) would you say are "safe" buys? As in, barring injury or unforeseen criminal behavior, you could expect their prices to stay pretty stable for the next five years?

[slyguy]

Of all QBs drafted in the last ten years, how many (and which ones) would you say are "safe" buys? As in, barring injury or unforeseen criminal behavior, you could expect their prices to stay pretty stable for the next five years?Lol, there are busts ever year.

None of the 2025 ones are "safe" by any means.

For 2024, only probably Nix and Penix were experienced and consistent in college against major opponents...
They'd have been the safest bets to do at least ok and not wash out of the NFL...
but the NFL is still a hugely situation/team game...
and injuries happen all the time.

So yeah, talk of "safe" picks is pretty much nonsense.
Fields was viewed as safe. Zach Wilson. Bryce Young. Many others.

...as for current NFL QBs already in the league? Mahomes is the only one who will be remembered much 10yrs after his retirement.
The cards of other QBs will carry fairly little long term value unless they win - and win soon.
They will end up as the Aaron Rodgers and Eli and Favre and BBen and Matt Ryan and Rivers, etc were in Brady era. [Peyton are ok valued]

If you want to buy other non-Mahomes QBs, have a flip mentality if they make a SB, win MVP, etc... even if they win ROY.
Tough to realize it as it seems he has a golden road ahead, but Jayden Daniels' value may never be higher than it was during last year playoff run and right now. No joke.
Sure, Josh Allen or Lamar might have a shot at HOF, but we'll see. They're still going to end up as also-rans in Mahomes' era.
Burrow is probably the best true talent outside Pat, but he's been hurt a lot.

[tjforce]

Lol, there are busts ever year.

None of the 2025 ones are "safe" by any means.

For 2024, only probably Nix and Penix were experienced and consistent in college against major opponents...
They'd have been the safest bets to do at least ok and now wash out of the NFL...
but the NFL is still a hugely situation/team game...
and injuries happen all the time.

So yeah, talk of "safe" picks is pretty much nonsense.
Fields was viewed as safe. Zach Wilson. Bryce Young. Many others.

...as for current NFL QBs already in the league? Mahomes is the only one who will be remembered much 10yrs after his retirement.
The cards of other QBs will carry fairly little long term value unless they win - and win soon.
They will end up as the Aaron Rodgers and Eli and Favre and BBen and Matt Ryan and Rivers, etc were in Brady era. [Peyton are ok valued]

If you want to buy other non-Mahomes QBs, have a flip mentality if they make a SB, win MVP, etc... even if they win ROY.
Tough to realize it as it seems he has a golden road ahead, but Jayden Daniels' value may never be higher than it was during last year playoff run and right now. No joke.
Sure, Josh Allen or Lamar might have a shot at HOF, but we'll see. They're still going to end up as also-rans in Mahomes' era.
Burrow is probably the best true talent outside Pat, but he's been hurt a lot.

Lamar with his 2 MVPs is close to being a shoe in for the HOF.

In a few years when Josh Allen gets to 100 rushing touchdowns to go along with his 300+ passing touchdowns, as well as his MVP and anything else he might accomplish along the way, he'll be a shoe in as well. Both those guys are just 28 with good teams set up around them and should rack up wins for years to come.

But I don't disagree with you too much about the hobby. There's not much room at the top to be remembered, and it might not happen for everyone you listed.

[CorndogWasp]

MVP is decided mostly by the establishment sports media milieu. Its group think. No one should be getting into the hall of fame based on their milieu opinion. Its of very little value, all milieu opinions are. Most of them work for dying media companies that are dying even harder now that their grant money is gone.

Lamar is just a good QB thats played for a few years and won a few playoff games. Thats it.

[CorndogWasp]

Of all QBs drafted in the last ten years, how many (and which ones) would you say are "safe" buys? As in, barring injury or unforeseen criminal behavior, you could expect their prices to stay pretty stable for the next five years?

For the next 5 years? So you mean you would buy now, hold it for 5 years and then see how much the value has gone up? The answer would be any likable QB that will win a ring in the next 5 years.

I'm not sure what else matters besides besides being a QB thats likable and has a ring. Has to be both, cant be one or the other.

[asujbl]

MVP is decided mostly by the establishment sports media milieu. Its group think. No one should be getting into the hall of fame based on their milieu opinion. Its of very little value, all milieu opinions are. Most of them work for dying media companies that are dying even harder now that their grant money is gone.

Lamar is just a good QB thats played for a few years and won a few playoff games. Thats it.

Where did this person come from? Wild times at Blowout in 2025

[CorndogWasp]

Where did this person come from? Wild times at Blowout in 2025

People who get to vote for MVP wear that title with pride, they like that they are have it, they like people know they have it, its a cool title to have. They like the social aspect and the luncheons and all the clout freebies that goes with it.

In 2023 one guy went against the grain and voted JA instead of Lamar and talking heads like Stephen A publicly reprimanded him in a rant on TV (if thats how you want to put it) You think that guy wants that to happen to him again? No he wants to be apart of the milieu. He will NEVER go against the grain again.

Awards are BS and don't translate to who is actually great on the field. Its inaccurate.

[asujbl]

People who get to vote for MVP wear that title with pride, they like that they are have it, they like people know they have it, its a cool title to have. They like the social aspect and the luncheons and all the clout freebies that goes with it.

In 2023 one guy went against the grain and voted JA instead of Lamar and talking heads like Stephen A publicly reprimanded him in a rant on TV (if thats how you want to put it) You think that guy wants that to happen to him again? No he wants to be apart of the milieu. He will NEVER go against the grain again.

Awards are BS and don't translate to who is actually great on the field. Its inaccurate.

Yikes

Side note… you’re the person

Whack job

[CorndogWasp]

Yikes

Side note… you’re the person

Whack job

Then it should be very easy for you to simply say how I'm wrong or inaccurate.

Right?

[slyguy]

Then it should be very easy for you to simply say how I'm wrong or inaccurate.

Right?Fyi, the sooner you put that guy on ignore, sooner you win.

All I saw him do was try to brag about PSA 10s of Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russel, Tim Couch, etc... lol.

Then, he tries to insult and bait ppl nonstop. Simply put him on ignore (joint the club), and move on.

[asujbl]

Fyi, the sooner you put that guy on ignore, sooner you win.

All I saw him do was try to brag about PSA 10s of Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russel, Tim Couch, etc... lol.

Then, he tries to insult and bait ppl nonstop. Simply put him on ignore (joint the club), and move on.

Love you

[Fulmer4MVP]

Where did this person come from? Wild times at Blowout in 2025

Its another account for Slyguy, dude probably has like 4 or 5 accounts on here.

[CorndogWasp]

Is Slyguy also someone who has points both of you cant counter?

[Siberian13]

Where did this person come from? Wild times at Blowout in 2025

Wild for sure

[Siberian13]

Is Slyguy also someone who has points both of you cant counter?

Here’s a list to get you started.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/search.php?searchid=50508551

[Whodatiz]

“joint the club”

“biz”

[jmarascojr]

Sounds like talks between James Cook and the Bills have cooled off/stopped.

He wants $15 million a year, which I think would put him 3rd in the league.

He had a great season last year, but that's the thing, it was ONE great season out of 3...

[Boo]

Tush push vote today!

[slyguy]

Tush push vote today!Not a chance.

It's a perfectly legal football play. There are 100 very similar plays you can't ban.

The "risk of injury" factor they are trying is totally made up.

[tjforce]

Not a chance.

It's a perfectly legal football play. There are 100 very similar plays you can't ban.

The "risk of injury" factor they are trying is totally made up.

The logic would be that you're not allowed to bind with a ball carrier.

Similar to how you aren't allowed to bind with another blocker on kick return. All us former college/high school kick off team wedge-busters understand why.

[Boo]

The vote has been tabled until at least May.

[DMACcollector]

Jed York's comments on the Purdy contract negotiations were a little strange. "when he's ready we'll sit down and finish it......shouldn't be that hard to do." When he's ready? I thought Purdy was disappointed that the process continues to linger. Kinda sounds like the 9ers said "this is what your worth, sign here pease" and left it at that.

[Grid]

The logic would be that you're not allowed to bind with a ball carrier.

Similar to how you aren't allowed to bind with another blocker on kick return. All us former college/high school kick off team wedge-busters understand why.

You are allowed to Tush Push while playing D. But then its just called "Goal line defense". But its the same thing. All the safeties and linebackers come up to push the Dline men into the ball carrier. Then its one big scrum.

If the D can, and has always been able to do that. The O should be allowed to as well.

[asujbl]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-championship-mark-tied-bill-belichick-title-wins-surpassed-as-nfl-adds-new-twist-to-record-book/

[Siberian13]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-championship-mark-tied-bill-belichick-title-wins-surpassed-as-nfl-adds-new-twist-to-record-book/

Tom Brady still king.

[CorndogWasp]

Boomer stats

[tjforce]

Welp.... the Cleveland Browns are now the greatest franchise in NFL history.

No other way to say it or other context needed.

[rms13]

Pats have had several inquiries about Joe Milton. The only confirmed one is Dallas so far. I would assume the Steelers would be interested too.

[Floridacardguy]

Joe Milton going to the Cowboys, LMAO
Some competition for Dak?

[packman80]

Joe Milton going to the Cowboys, LMAO
Some competition for Dak?

Stop being silly they are not bringing in to compete. Plus Milton fell in draft last year because while having a strong arm could not hit the broad side of a barn in terms of accuracy

Also was sent to Dallas for next to nothing a 5th for him and a 7th

[Floridacardguy]

Stop being silly they are not bringing in to compete. Plus Milton fell in draft last year because while having a strong arm could not hit the broad side of a barn in terms of accuracy

Also was sent to Dallas for next to nothing a 5th for him and a 7th

I was being sarcastic. Cowboys will keep failing with Dak at the controls

[rms13]

Stop being silly they are not bringing in to compete. Plus Milton fell in draft last year because while having a strong arm could not hit the broad side of a barn in terms of accuracy

Also was sent to Dallas for next to nothing a 5th for him and a 7th

So Pats essentially traded a 6th for a 5th and 7th. I'll take it

[Fenway55]

Everything I've read is it was Milton plus a 7th rounder for a 5th rounder.

Ultimately we are talking about their backup QB so I am not going to lose any sleep over it, but I'd rather keep the talented backup than gain ~35 spots in the final rounds.

[rms13]

Everything I've read is it was Milton plus a 7th rounder for a 5th rounder.

Ultimately we are talking about their backup QB so I am not going to lose any sleep over it, but I'd rather keep the talented backup than gain ~35 spots in the final rounds.

Yeah that makes less sense. And they kept saying they would send him someplace where he would have the chance to compete for a starting job which they didn't. Unless you believe rumors that Dak is going to be traded to the Browns

[asujbl]

So Pats essentially traded a 6th for a 5th and 7th. I'll take it

They traded a 6th and a 7th for a 5th

[slyguy]

So Pats essentially traded a 6th for a 5th and 7th. I'll take itPats move up about 50 picks. It's roughly the same trade price that Howell, Pickett, Fields, Mac went for last 2024 offseason.

Funny part is that Milton has never played in a real game (preseason and week 18 garbage game only).

But hey, we shall see. It's a horrid QB draft 2025... Milton would've been a mid round pick if he were in this year and not 2024.

I'm sure being on Cowboys helps bazooka Joe's card values (hint: sell NOW!!!... or at least before the season starts).

[Floridacardguy]

Pats move up about 50 picks. It's roughly the same trade price that Howell, Pickett, Fields, Mac went for last 2024 offseason.

Funny part is that Milton has never played in a real game (preseason and week 18 garbage game only).

But hey, we shall see. It's a horrid QB draft 2025... Milton would've been a mid round pick if he were in this year and not 2024.

I'm sure being on Cowboys helps bazooka Joe's card values (hint: sell NOW!!!... or at least before the season starts).

Why do you keep on saying this?? You read too many headlines stating the opinion of people who are wrong more often than not

I guarantee you a couple of good QBs with long productive careers come out of this class.

[packman80]

So Cousins wants to be cut now. If I am ATL why cut him and let him play to someone else for nothing? Might as well keep him as a expensive backup. If Penix struggles you got Cousins to fall back on. Otherwise if Cousins wants to be cut I tell him ok you redo your contract take agree to your base salary to be non-guaranteed this year and forgo your roster bonus next year that way ATL saves like $38 million against the cap.

[49ersSF]

Why do you keep on saying this?? You read too many headlines stating the opinion of people who are wrong more often than not

I guarantee you a couple of good QBs with long productive careers come out of this class.

Historically, there is absolutely no guarantee that even 1 good QB comes out of a draft.

1990 - N. O'Donnell (1x PB)
1991 - Favre (HOF)
1992 - J. Blake (1x PB), B. Johnson (2x PB)
1993 - Bledsoe (4x PB), Brunell (3x PB), Grbac (1x PB), T. Green (2x PB)
1994 - Dilfer (1x PB), Freotte (1xPB)
1995 - McNair (3x PB), K.Collins (2xPB), K.Stewart (1x PB)
1996 - none
1997 - J. Plummer (1x PB)
1998 - P. Manning (HOF), B. Griese (1x PB), M. Hasselback (3x PB)
1999 - McNabb (6x PB), Culpepper (3x PB)

2000 - M. Bulger (2x PB), Brady (HOF)
2001 - M.Vick (4x PB), Brees (HOF)
2002 - D. Garrard (1x PB)
2003 - C. Palmer (3x PB)
2004 - M. Schaub (2x PB), B. Roethlisberger (6x PB), E.Manning (4x PB), Rivers (8x PB)
2005 - A. Smith (3x PB), A. Rodgers (10x PB), D. Anderson (1x PB), M. Cassell (1x PB)
2006 - V.Young (2x PB), J.Cutler (1x PB)
2007 - none
2008 - M. Ryan (4x PB)
2009 - M. Stafford (2x PB)

2010 - none
2011 - C. Newton (3x PB), A. Dalton (3x PB), T. Taylor (1x PB)
2012 - A. Luck (4x PB), RGIII (1x PB), Tannehill (1x PB), R. Wilson (10x PB), K. Cousins (4x PB)
2013 - G. Smith (2x PB)
2014 - Bridgewater (1x PB), D. Carr (4x PB)
2015 - J. Winston (1x PB)
2016 - Goff (4x PB), Wentz (1x PB), D. Prescott (3x PB)
2017 - Mahomes (6x PB), D. Watson (3x PB), Trubisky (1x PB)
2018 - Mayfield (2x PB), Darnold (1x PB), J. Allen (3x PB), L. Jackson (4x PB)
2019 - K. Murray (2x PB), Minshew (1x PB)

In the last 30 years, 30 QBs drafted I'd qualify as Good or above. Within that group, there are possibly 15 Hall of Fame QBs.

Now, 13 of the 30 drafts between 1990-2019 did not have a QB that I would place in that good or above list. This means that nearly half of the drafts within that 30-year window did not have a QB that was worth leading the franchise.

I still have to study more tape on these QB's to make my final decision on the QB's in this draft but at this point I am not high on any QB in this draft.

[asujbl]

Historically, there is absolutely no guarantee that even 1 good QB comes out of a draft.

1990 - N. O'Donnell (1x PB)
1991 - Favre (HOF)
1992 - J. Blake (1x PB), B. Johnson (2x PB)
1993 - Bledsoe (4x PB), Brunell (3x PB), Grbac (1x PB), T. Green (2x PB)
1994 - Dilfer (1x PB), Freotte (1xPB)
1995 - McNair (3x PB), K.Collins (2xPB), K.Stewart (1x PB)
1996 - none
1997 - J. Plummer (1x PB)
1998 - P. Manning (HOF), B. Griese (1x PB), M. Hasselback (3x PB)
1999 - McNabb (6x PB), Culpepper (3x PB)

2000 - M. Bulger (2x PB), Brady (HOF)
2001 - M.Vick (4x PB), Brees (HOF)
2002 - D. Garrard (1x PB)
2003 - C. Palmer (3x PB)
2004 - M. Schaub (2x PB), B. Roethlisberger (6x PB), E.Manning (4x PB), Rivers (8x PB)
2005 - A. Smith (3x PB), A. Rodgers (10x PB), D. Anderson (1x PB), M. Cassell (1x PB)
2006 - V.Young (2x PB), J.Cutler (1x PB)
2007 - none
2008 - M. Ryan (4x PB)
2009 - M. Stafford (2x PB)

2010 - none
2011 - C. Newton (3x PB), A. Dalton (3x PB), T. Taylor (1x PB)
2012 - A. Luck (4x PB), RGIII (1x PB), Tannehill (1x PB), R. Wilson (10x PB), K. Cousins (4x PB)
2013 - G. Smith (2x PB)
2014 - Bridgewater (1x PB), D. Carr (4x PB)
2015 - J. Winston (1x PB)
2016 - Goff (4x PB), Wentz (1x PB), D. Prescott (3x PB)
2017 - Mahomes (6x PB), D. Watson (3x PB), Trubisky (1x PB)
2018 - Mayfield (2x PB), Darnold (1x PB), J. Allen (3x PB), L. Jackson (4x PB)
2019 - K. Murray (2x PB), Minshew (1x PB)

In the last 30 years, 30 QBs drafted I'd qualify as Good or above. Within that group, there are possibly 15 Hall of Fame QBs.

Now, 13 of the 30 drafts between 1990-2019 did not have a QB that I would place in that good or above list. This means that nearly half of the drafts within that 30-year window did not have a QB that was worth leading the franchise.

I still have to study more tape on these QB's to make my final decision on the QB's in this draft but at this point I am not high on any QB in this draft.

Chad Pennington led the NFL in completion percentage twice and was the highest rated QB in 2002

Making a Pro Bowl is fairly arbitrary

Not that Pennington is a star but plenty of teams would at least accept his career

[duwal]

Making a Pro Bowl is fairly arbitrary



also, especially in the skillset positions, a good amount of people are selected purely for the fact that the original ones selected declined or opted out of the Pro Bowl for numerous reasons.

Just this year Lamar opted out of the Pro Bowl games and replaced by Drake Maye, Josh Allen replaced by Russell Wilson, Travis Kelce replaced by Jonnu Smith, Maxx Crosby replaced by Danielle Hunter, Saquon replaced by Bijan Robinson among others

[duwal]

Why do you keep on saying this?? You read too many headlines stating the opinion of people who are wrong more often than not

I guarantee you a couple of good QBs with long productive careers come out of this class.



how are you going to guarantee that??

[asujbl]

also, especially in the skillset positions, a good amount of people are selected purely for the fact that the original ones selected declined or opted out of the Pro Bowl for numerous reasons.

Just this year Lamar opted out of the Pro Bowl games and replaced by Drake Maye, Josh Allen replaced by Russell Wilson, Travis Kelce replaced by Jonnu Smith, Maxx Crosby replaced by Danielle Hunter, Saquon replaced by Bijan Robinson among others

Snoop Huntley can barely make a roster and he is a “Pro Bowler”

[slyguy]

how are you going to guarantee that??FloridaCards be like:

https://media.tenor.com/cyN-yaZNg8cAAAAM/i-guarantee-you-kahana-montrese.gif

[slyguy]

So Cousins wants to be cut now. If I am ATL why cut him and let him play to someone else for nothing? Might as well keep him as a expensive backup. If Penix struggles you got Cousins to fall back on. Otherwise if Cousins wants to be cut I tell him ok you redo your contract take agree to your base salary to be non-guaranteed this year and forgo your roster bonus next year that way ATL saves like $38 million against the cap.Yah, if they were going to cut him, it'd have been before the $10M bonus last month.

Falcons almost have to throw in a pick to get someone to take his current deal, though. I suppose you never know.

[Floridacardguy]

how are you going to guarantee that??

Simple, 2-3 yrs down the line, when 1 is a star, and another one is pretty good, I will remind you

[slyguy]

Trey McBride the top paid TE in the league?

Am I missing something here?
I get it: he's not bad. But he's a pretty average starting TE.
Dude has scored 6 TDs in three seasons. Duh-harrrr?
Marv Jr scored more than that in just his rook year.

And we wonder why Arizona never makes the playoffs. Wow.

[49ersSF]

Chad Pennington led the NFL in completion percentage twice and was the highest rated QB in 2002

Making a Pro Bowl is fairly arbitrary

Not that Pennington is a star but plenty of teams would at least accept his career

No doubt. There were a couple of guys I could have included like Pennington, but I decided to stay strict to the list. There were more than a few I'd like to remove from the list as well. I used the Pro Bowl as a barometer, but it's far from perfect as Chad Pennington shows.

The point is that not every draft has 1 or 2 good QB's who have long productive careers. It's actually a flip of the coin whether or not a draft will produce that type of QB.

[packman80]

Trey McBride the top paid TE in the league?

Am I missing something here?
I get it: he's not bad. But he's a pretty average starting TE.
Dude has scored 6 TDs in three seasons. Duh-harrrr?
Marv Jr scored more than that in just his rook year.

And we wonder why Arizona never makes the playoffs. Wow.

He might have not had the TDs but had 111 catches for over 1,100 yards last year. That's WR1 on many teams. I mean Metcalf got over 30 million a year for just about the same.

[Floridacardguy]

He might have not had the TDs but had 111 catches for over 1,100 yards last year. That's WR1 on many teams. I mean Metcalf got over 30 million a year for just about the same.

And he has a garbage QB throwing to him

[Whodatiz]

Trey McBride the top paid TE in the league?

Am I missing something here?
I get it: he's not bad. But he's a pretty average starting TE.
Dude has scored 6 TDs in three seasons. Duh-harrrr?
Marv Jr scored more than that in just his rook year.

And we wonder why Arizona never makes the playoffs. Wow.

You’re always missing something.

He’s not an average TE. On top of being Kyler’s security blanket (no one on offense commands the trust from Kyler like McBride), he is also a fantastic blocker. I’ll pay a premium for that.

His receiving accolades in that offense is very good considering the style of offense they run.

[Grid]

Historically, there is absolutely no guarantee that even 1 good QB comes out of a draft.

1990 - N. O'Donnell (1x PB)
1991 - Favre (HOF)
1992 - J. Blake (1x PB), B. Johnson (2x PB)
1993 - Bledsoe (4x PB), Brunell (3x PB), Grbac (1x PB), T. Green (2x PB)
1994 - Dilfer (1x PB), Freotte (1xPB)
1995 - McNair (3x PB), K.Collins (2xPB), K.Stewart (1x PB)
1996 - none
1997 - J. Plummer (1x PB)
1998 - P. Manning (HOF), B. Griese (1x PB), M. Hasselback (3x PB)
1999 - McNabb (6x PB), Culpepper (3x PB)

2000 - M. Bulger (2x PB), Brady (HOF)
2001 - M.Vick (4x PB), Brees (HOF)
2002 - D. Garrard (1x PB)
2003 - C. Palmer (3x PB)
2004 - M. Schaub (2x PB), B. Roethlisberger (6x PB), E.Manning (4x PB), Rivers (8x PB)
2005 - A. Smith (3x PB), A. Rodgers (10x PB), D. Anderson (1x PB), M. Cassell (1x PB)
2006 - V.Young (2x PB), J.Cutler (1x PB)
2007 - none
2008 - M. Ryan (4x PB)
2009 - M. Stafford (2x PB)

2010 - none
2011 - C. Newton (3x PB), A. Dalton (3x PB), T. Taylor (1x PB)
2012 - A. Luck (4x PB), RGIII (1x PB), Tannehill (1x PB), R. Wilson (10x PB), K. Cousins (4x PB)
2013 - G. Smith (2x PB)
2014 - Bridgewater (1x PB), D. Carr (4x PB)
2015 - J. Winston (1x PB)
2016 - Goff (4x PB), Wentz (1x PB), D. Prescott (3x PB)
2017 - Mahomes (6x PB), D. Watson (3x PB), Trubisky (1x PB)
2018 - Mayfield (2x PB), Darnold (1x PB), J. Allen (3x PB), L. Jackson (4x PB)
2019 - K. Murray (2x PB), Minshew (1x PB)

In the last 30 years, 30 QBs drafted I'd qualify as Good or above. Within that group, there are possibly 15 Hall of Fame QBs.

Now, 13 of the 30 drafts between 1990-2019 did not have a QB that I would place in that good or above list. This means that nearly half of the drafts within that 30-year window did not have a QB that was worth leading the franchise.

I still have to study more tape on these QB's to make my final decision on the QB's in this draft but at this point I am not high on any QB in this draft.

But not every team, every year, needs a new QB. Most of your "Top 30" ended up playing for a decade or more. I think its pretty common knowledge that there are only a couple good QBs to enter the draft each year. Which is why the hobby goes nuts for years like 1999 or 2004. When the class at least seems to be stocked.

Also weird that your list doesn't have 2020, with Hurts, Herbert, Tua, Burrow and Love. Thats 5 big ones right there

[blackvodka]

It appears Geno Smith got his two year extension today. So he'll be signed through 2027. Do they draft a QB in the second round and have Geno short term? Seems to be the plan for Vegas.

[slyguy]

Julio retired... thought he did a couple years ago.
He might gef a bit of HOF buzz down the line.

Get ready for other WRs like Diggs and Godwin to really have their production drop off a cliff 2025. It's really a tough position once you lose a step. Also not easy to rehab major injuries at 30+.

Hopkins might be ok as a jump ball guy, like Julio's pathetic last years.

Mike Evans and Davante seem to still be going strong... but Kupp looks pretty washed.

[packman80]

Julio retired... thought he did a couple years ago.
He might gef a bit of HOF buzz down the line.

Get ready for other WRs like Diggs and Godwin to really have their production drop off a cliff 2025. It's really a tough position once you lose a step. Also not easy to rehab major injuries at 30+.

Hopkins might be ok as a jump ball guy, like Julio's pathetic last years.

Mike Evans and Davante seem to still be going strong... but Kupp looks pretty washed.

Don't think Jones gets into the HOF. Look at a guy like Anquan Boldin he has more catches, yards, and TDs then Jones and no one really ever talks about him getting into the HOF even though his stats say he is worthy of being considered.

[slyguy]

Don't think Jones gets into the HOF. Look at a guy like Anquan Boldin he has more catches, yards, and TDs then Jones and no one really ever talks about him getting into the HOF even though his stats say he is worthy of being considered.I think Julio gets in, but not fast.

HOF likes to look at peak dominance, so Julio was a top WR or the top receiver for some years he played.

Guys like Boldin or Mike Evans or etc have a tough time since they played awhile and played well... but they were always the 5th or 8th or 10th or whatever ranked In any year. They were never considered highly elite or dominant versus peers.

There are guys like SSmith Jr, Holt, Wayne, Boldin waiting as HOF WR candidates though.

[majestik101]

I think Julio gets in, but not fast.

HOF likes to look at peak dominance, so Julio was a top WR or the top receiver for some years he played.

Guys like Boldin or Mike Evans or etc have a tough time since they played awhile and played well... but they were always the 5th or 8th or 10th or whatever ranked In any year. They were never considered highly elite or dominant versus peers.

There are guys like SSmith Jr, Holt, Wayne, Boldin waiting as HOF WR candidates though.

Julio Jones has as much a chance of getting into the Hall of Fame as Mike Evans does, which is slim to none

The one thing that gives Julio Jones the slight Edge is his two First Team all Pros compared to Mike Evans zero first team all Pro selections

[Derekbauer]

Julio Jones has as much a chance of getting into the Hall of Fame as Mike Evans does, which is slim to none

The one thing that gives Julio Jones the slight Edge is his two First Team all Pros compared to Mike Evans zero first team all Pro selections

Jones is also on the 2010s all decade team.

I believe Holt is the only current WR not in the HOF that is eligible who was selected to an all decades team. He will eventually get in.

Jones and Evans are both HOF WRs in my opinion and I think they both get in over time.

[tjforce]

Jones is also on the 2010s all decade team.

I believe Holt is the only current WR not in the HOF that is eligible who was selected to an all decades team. He will eventually get in.

Jones and Evans are both HOF WRs in my opinion and I think they both get in over time.

Julio Jones gets in...

This reminds me of the conversations that used to be had about Calvin Johnson 'not having enough numbers'.

Evans' 11 1,000 yard years, 100+ TDs, and Super Bowl get him in too. He's 9th in TDs and every eligible WR in the top 18 is in. And he still has career in front of him

[Scottish Punk]

The 2010's all decade team is a big indicator that Jones will get into the HOF eventually. He has some 7 pro bowls, 2 all pros, top 30 all time in catches, top 20 in yards. 13th on the HOF monitor. He gets in.

[jmarascojr]

Julio Jones has as much a chance of getting into the Hall of Fame as Mike Evans does, which is slim to none

The one thing that gives Julio Jones the slight Edge is his two First Team all Pros compared to Mike Evans zero first team all Pro selections

Mike Evans has zero chance at being a HOFer?!?!?! :doh::doh::doh:

[2010GBPackers]

Julio Jones gets in...

This reminds me of the conversations that used to be had about Calvin Johnson 'not having enough numbers'.

Evans' 11 1,000 yard years, 100+ TDs, and Super Bowl get him in too. He's 9th in TDs and every eligible WR in the top 18 is in. And he still has career in front of him

M. Evans appears to have a case, but obviously not 1st ballot. I don't know the answer, but am going to pose the question - are there any modern candidates in the HOF who have zero All-Pros? It's the Frank Gore question. Can you get in with no identified peak? It's an interesting case.

[Derekbauer]

M. Evans appears to have a case, but obviously not 1st ballot. I don't know the answer, but am going to pose the question - are there any modern candidates in the HOF who have zero All-Pros? It's the Frank Gore question. Can you get in with no identified peak? It's an interesting case.

Troy Aikman never made an AP All Pro team from what I remember.

Eli probably gets in without one as well.

Evans was just so good for so long it’s hard to imagine him not being in despite not having one.

[tjforce]

M. Evans appears to have a case, but obviously not 1st ballot. I don't know the answer, but am going to pose the question - are there any modern candidates in the HOF who have zero All-Pros? It's the Frank Gore question. Can you get in with no identified peak? It's an interesting case.

Isaac Bruce.

Bruce wound up with 15,000 yards, 91 TDs.

If Evans winds up with 14,000 and 110, that probably puts him head of Bruce. Both have 1 SB. Evans has 6 Pro Bowls to Bruce's 4.

Tim Brown also had no All Pros, had no Super Bowls, but 9 Pro bowls

Andre Reed had no all Pros, had no Super Bowls, and 7 Pro Bowls.

Rickey Jackson had no all Pros.

Those are all the inductees I could find since 2010. Enough precedence at WR for me to think Evans has a good chance.

[TheVolta]

Isaac Bruce.

Bruce wound up with 15,000 yards, 91 TDs.

If Evans winds up with 14,000 and 110, that probably puts him head of Bruce. Both have 1 SB. Evans has 6 Pro Bowls to Bruce's 4.

Tim Brown also had no All Pros, had no Super Bowls, but 9 Pro bowls

Andre Reed had no all Pros, had no Super Bowls, and 7 Pro Bowls.

Rickey Jackson had no all Pros.

Those are all the inductees I could find since 2010. Enough precedence at WR for me to think Evans has a good chance.

This gentleman generation gravitates towards Jake Paul fame

[JWBlue]

Mike Evans is a STONE COLD LOCK for the HOF.

[DMACcollector]

It appears Geno Smith got his two year extension today. So he'll be signed through 2027. Do they draft a QB in the second round and have Geno short term? Seems to be the plan for Vegas.

Chip being the OC does make the chances of a reunion with Howard better than average. I'm ok with Howard on Day 3, but with so many other holes, esepcially on defense, I wouldn't reach for him any sooner.

[Floridacardguy]

Chip being the OC does make the chances of a reunion with Howard better than average. I'm ok with Howard on Day 3, but with so many other holes, esepcially on defense, I wouldn't reach for him any sooner.

Third round feels about right for him

[majestik101]

Mike Evans is a STONE COLD LOCK for the HOF.

Stone cold lock?

Disagree with you there.

He's not even in the top 50 greatest WR's

[Bosoxfan5990]

Stone cold lock?

Disagree with you there.

He's not even in the top 50 greatest WR's

I see you with the RJ.

[blackvodka]

At this point I have no idea if Rodgers actually goes to Pittsburg on a one-year deal. Seems like the Steelers will roll the dice on a one-year, 30 million dollar deal; they'll just have to let the Rodgers drama sort itself out.

Amari Cooper is still available. Which team takes a chance to sign him?

[DMACcollector]

Amari Cooper is still available. Which team takes a chance to sign him?

I'd love to see him in Green Bay. He'd be great in the WR room with all those youngsters, and be very good for Love as well. DO IT, PACKERS!

[2010GBPackers]

Isaac Bruce.

Bruce wound up with 15,000 yards, 91 TDs.

If Evans winds up with 14,000 and 110, that probably puts him head of Bruce. Both have 1 SB. Evans has 6 Pro Bowls to Bruce's 4.

Tim Brown also had no All Pros, had no Super Bowls, but 9 Pro bowls

Andre Reed had no all Pros, had no Super Bowls, and 7 Pro Bowls.

Rickey Jackson had no all Pros.

Those are all the inductees I could find since 2010. Enough precedence at WR for me to think Evans has a good chance.

Good info. Seemings that there is precedent, he'll get in but have to wait a while.

[CardClub2Elect]

I was looking up some Mike Evans stats the other day and I noticed he pretty much never fumbles. I looked it up and he has the lowest fumble to catch ratio of all time for wide receivers (there was some sort of minimum catch standard I can't remember). His ESPN stats have him at 2 lost fumbles and just 3 total fumbles. Wherever I looked up the stat, they had him at 3 lost fumbles. Either way, crazy impressive, last fumble was in 2018. Probably doesn't do much for HOF voting but like I said, really impressive.

[slyguy]

I was looking up some Mike Evans stats the other day and I noticed he pretty much never fumbles. I looked it up and he has the lowest fumble to catch ratio of all time for wide receivers (there was some sort of minimum catch standard I can't remember). His ESPN stats have him at 2 lost fumbles and just 3 total fumbles. Wherever I looked up the stat, they had him at 3 lost fumbles. Either way, crazy impressive, last fumble was in 2018. Probably doesn't do much for HOF voting but like I said, really impressive.Evans is a fine player, and his consistency is amazing. (eleven 1000yd seasons and counting)
His career numbers will be good/great depending on how long he goes.

He has a shot at HOF. A decent shot.
His main issue is he's never the top guy... never really top 3 any given year... seldom top 5.
HOF is largely judged against peers of the player's day:
Julio, Antonio Brown, DHop, Demaryus, etc were better than Mike early career.
Tyreek, Davante, Diggs, MThomas, etc were better than him mid-career.
JChase, JJeff, Lamb, Amon-Ra, etc are better than him now.

Isaac Bruce was a very good example... consistently good, never elite. We shall see. I bet Mike Evans waits awhile, gets into HOF in a weak year - many years after his retirement. His other problem is that many modern era WRs with modern inflated stats now retrire... 1000yd seasons are not at all rare for modern NFL.

I don't think Julio's a lock... but he's significantly more likely than Mike Evans. Both probably get in years after becoming HOF eligible.

[Floridacardguy]

Ian Rappaport reports Derek Carr has a shoulder injury that may jeopardize his season.
Coaches better call Philly, and bring in Tanner McKee-or address this need in the draft

[Siberian13]

Ian Rappaport reports Derek Carr has a shoulder injury that may jeopardize his season.
Coaches better call Philly, and bring in Tanner McKee-or address this need in the draft

They still have Spencer Rattler. Seems like a lateral move. :)!

[slyguy]

Flacco back to the Browns, 1yr deal. This means they probably take Hunter/Carter... Jeanty #2 pick??? Trade down?

Joe's probably a good mentor for Pickett, who I wouldn't give up on just yet (tough divi tho!).

[Floridacardguy]

They still have Spencer Rattler. Seems like a lateral move. :)!

McKee > Rattler

[packman80]

NOLA is not going to bring in another QB or draft one high. I think they will go with what they got have a crappy season get the #1 pick and draft Arch Manning. Manning family probably happy that Arch ends up in the place his grandpa played so Arch would come out next year if NOLA would hold the #1 pick.

[Soxrule111]

NOLA is not going to bring in another QB or draft one high. I think they will go with what they got have a crappy season get the #1 pick and draft Arch Manning. Manning family probably happy that Arch ends up in the place his grandpa played so Arch would come out next year if NOLA would hold the #1 pick.

Ill be honest Im surprised the Saints dont have more rumors of moving back and acquiring another 2026 First to help their odds if they are picking 2/3/4/5 to move into 1.

[Fenway55]

Cleveland fans (potentially) received some good news this morning on PFT.com. According to Florio they have an insurance contract on Watson which could potentially provide over $50 million in cap relief.

I stand by my statement that if 2026 is Watson's final year in Cleveland (or he gets cut next offseason with a post-June 1st designation) then all his void year dead cap money accelerates to 2027. They cannot "kick the can" any further than 2027.

BUT

It looks like the dead cap figure is going to be much less than currently anticipated. If the insurance contract pays, which is still a big IF, they could potentially structure it to hit $40 million per year in '26 and '27 and be free and clear.

$40 million is still a big hit for a guy not on your team, but much better than the $90 million hit it might otherwise be.

[Fenway55]

NOLA is not going to bring in another QB or draft one high. I think they will go with what they got have a crappy season get the #1 pick and draft Arch Manning. Manning family probably happy that Arch ends up in the place his grandpa played so Arch would come out next year if NOLA would hold the #1 pick.We have no idea what Arch wants to do regarding where he plays pro ball. Does he have an emotional connection to the team his father played for 20 years before he was even born? Maybe, maybe not... but it is quite a stretch to assume he would. He didn't pick his grandfather's (or uncle's) college.

I also don't think he would alter his 4-year college plan just because of who has the 2026 #1 overall.

[slyguy]

NOLA is not going to bring in another QB or draft one high. I think they will go with what they got have a crappy season get the #1 pick and draft Arch Manning. Manning family probably happy that Arch ends up in the place his grandpa played so Arch would come out next year if NOLA would hold the #1 pick.They won't be that bad... division is way too easy.
Personally, I took them 150-1 to win SB (small wager, easy hedge if they make playoffs).

Kellen Moore had basically his pick of coaching jobs, and he didn't go there to do a rebuild and get fired in a couple years.

I hope Saints stay #9 and take WR or TE... but OL is probably the smart move if value is there.
Their team as-is isn't as bad as ppl seem to think. They had a lot of 2024 injuries, just like Dallas or SF did. All 3 of those teams will be back fairly strong 2025.

[codered]

Evans is a slam dunk, as is Julio. I don’t see how anyone can think otherwise

Precedent
Michael Irvin - 3 all pro (1-1st, 2nd), lead the league in receptions once, 3 super bowls, 750 receptions, 11,904 yards and 65 tds
Andrew Reed - 2 all pro (both second team) - 951 receptions, 13,198 yards and 87 td’s
Tim Brown - 1 - 2nd team all pro, lead the league in receptions once - 1094 receptions, 14,934 yards and 100 Td’s
Issac Bruce - 1 - 2nd team all pro, 1 Super Bowl, lead the league in receptions once - 1024 receptions, 15,208 yards and 91 td’s

Mike Evans - 2 - 2nd team all pro, lead the league in receiving TD’s once, 1 Super Bowl, 836 receptions, 12,684 yards and 105 td’s. He’s also only 31 and has a few more years to add to his resume

Julio jones - 5 all pros (2-1st teams and 3-second teams), lead the league in receiving yards twice and receptions once - 914 receptions, 13,703 yards and 66 td’s

Jones and Evans compare favourably to the 4 players mentioned in my opinion. Not everyone is gonna be TO, moss or rice to get into the hall

[slyguy]

Evans is a slam dunk, as is Julio. I don’t see how anyone can think otherwise...Wow, what a terrible take, bud. They may get in, but those comparisons are nutso.
Michael Irvin , Andrew Reed , Tim Brown , Issac Bruce? ... to compare to today's NFL pass catchers who are retiring now and onward?
No. Maybe stick to hockey?

There are a LOT of WRs - and even more QBs - who are now finishing up, and will continue to, with inflated stats.
The 2004 rules changes (https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1840261) for DBs and PI calls, holding at the line, etc have changed a lot. Stats for pass+rec RAPIDLY became inflated.

Ever since the "Ty Law rules" went into effect, all of the WRs have better numbers now. Quarterbacks even moreso. 3/4 of those WR you mentioned played before that rule change (one played largely before, a few years into it). Those are NOT "compare favourably to the 4 players mentioned"... nope, sorry. Totally different eras. Look at the stats:

Of the top 25 WR yardage seasons ever, 16 of 25 have come after that 2004 rule change.
Of the top 25 QB pass yardage seasons ever, 24 of the 25 have come after the 2004 rule change (Marino's biggest season is sole exception).

There are waaay more 1000yd receivers every season now than 25+ years ago.
1000yds receiving season barely means anything now. Even good TEs do it fairly commonly.
4000yds passing means little, and we have a 5000yd passer - or multiple - nearly every year since that rules change also (5k was the grail, before the rule changes).

Do you think there is any coincidence here?

Or maybe you want to tell us about some Alabama antelope Don Hutson stats and how those apply to today's HOF voting? :rolleyes:

[Fenway55]

There are a LOT of WRs - and even more QBs - who are now finishing up, and will continue to, with inflated stats.
The 2004 rules changes (https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1840261) for DBs and PI calls, holding at the line, etc have changed a lot. I am old enough to say I can remember watching an entire weekend of football and not seeing a single defensive holding or illegal contact penalty. I could possibly agree that DBs got away with too much back then, but the pendulum swung too far in the opposite direction.

[codered]

Wow, what a terrible take, bud. They may get in, but those comparisons are nutso.
Michael Irvin , Andrew Reed , Tim Brown , Issac Bruce? ... to compare to today's NFL pass catchers who are retiring now and onward?
No. Maybe stick to hockey?

There are a LOT of WRs - and even more QBs - who are now finishing up, and will continue to, with inflated stats.
The 2004 rules changes (https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1840261) for DBs and PI calls, holding at the line, etc have changed a lot. Stats for pass+rec RAPIDLY became inflated.

Ever since the "Ty Law rules" went into effect, all of the WRs have better numbers now. Quarterbacks even moreso. 3/4 of those WR you mentioned played before that rule change (one played largely before, a few years into it). Those are NOT "compare favourably to the 4 players mentioned"... nope, sorry. Totally different eras. Look at the stats:

Of the top 25 WR yardage seasons ever, 16 of 25 have come after that 2004 rule change.
Of the top 25 QB pass yardage seasons ever, 24 of the 25 have come after the 2004 rule change (Marino's biggest season is sole exception).

There are waaay more 1000yd receivers every season now than 25+ years ago.
1000yds receiving season barely means anything now. Even good TEs do it fairly commonly.
4000yds passing means little, and we have a 5000yd passer - or multiple - nearly every year since that rules change also (5k was the grail, before the rule changes).

Do you think there is any coincidence here?

Or maybe you want to tell us about some Alabama antelope Don Hutson stats and how those apply to today's HOF voting? :rolleyes:

You’ve been on BO for a few months and you’re already in the hall of fame for terrible takes……1st ballot

[codered]

Wow, what a terrible take, bud. They may get in, but those comparisons are nutso.
Michael Irvin , Andrew Reed , Tim Brown , Issac Bruce? ... to compare to today's NFL pass catchers who are retiring now and onward?
No. Maybe stick to hockey?

There are a LOT of WRs - and even more QBs - who are now finishing up, and will continue to, with inflated stats.
The 2004 rules changes (https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1840261) for DBs and PI calls, holding at the line, etc have changed a lot. Stats for pass+rec RAPIDLY became inflated.

Ever since the "Ty Law rules" went into effect, all of the WRs have better numbers now. Quarterbacks even moreso. 3/4 of those WR you mentioned played before that rule change (one played largely before, a few years into it). Those are NOT "compare favourably to the 4 players mentioned"... nope, sorry. Totally different eras. Look at the stats:

Of the top 25 WR yardage seasons ever, 16 of 25 have come after that 2004 rule change.
Of the top 25 QB pass yardage seasons ever, 24 of the 25 have come after the 2004 rule change (Marino's biggest season is sole exception).

There are waaay more 1000yd receivers every season now than 25+ years ago.
1000yds receiving season barely means anything now. Even good TEs do it fairly commonly.
4000yds passing means little, and we have a 5000yd passer - or multiple - nearly every year since that rules change also (5k was the grail, before the rule changes).

Do you think there is any coincidence here?

Or maybe you want to tell us about some Alabama antelope Don Hutson stats and how those apply to today's HOF voting? :rolleyes:

Really? Want to check that bud?
1994 had 19 players over 1000 receiving yards (the following year we had 23 over 1000 receiving yards)
2004 had 24 players over 1000 receiving yards
2014 had 23 players over 1000 receiving yards
2024 had 24 players over 1000 receiving yards

Your take is awful my dude. Doesn’t look like there is considerably more 1000 yard receivers per year from when guys like brown, Irvin, Reed and Bruce were playing. Seems pretty consistent over the last 30 years

[Floridacardguy]

You’ve been on BO for a few months and you’re already in the hall of fame for terrible takes……1st ballot

SPOT ON! :cry:

[packman80]

Maybe KC got lucky trading him when they did.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44637061/tennessee-titans-ljarius-sneed-sued-december-shooting-car-dealer-lot

[asujbl]

You’ve been on BO for a few months and you’re already in the hall of fame for terrible takes……1st ballot

He’s the worst

[blackvodka]

Who even takes Derek Carr seriously at this point?

[Floridacardguy]

Who even takes Derek Carr seriously at this point?

Back up material. Guy has never been very good, but at the same time, if your starter goes down for a couple weeks, you could feel comfortable turning to Carr for a couple games

[slyguy]

Who even takes Derek Carr seriously at this point?I think he was viewed as a fairly solid 3rd tier guy back when he was throwing to Devanta, but that was over 2 years ago now... and he's 34 years old, injured in a few ways since, and ridiculously overpaid.

Derek was never elite, and nobody confuses him for Mahomes or Burrow... but he was in that 3rd tier of quarterbacks with Cousins, Dak, TLaw, Geno Smith, etc. He was basically the type of guy where you might be able to win with a good team around him... and you could do a lot worse in terms of starting QB. He wasn't a joke like Justin Fields or Daniel Jones or Zach Wilson where the team had no chance.

But now? He's older, way overpaid, coming off multiple injuries... basically a non-factor (again, would've been cut if not for such big dead cap hit... certain to be a cut next offseason).

[blackvodka]

So essentially Carr is a "you could do worse" tier. I wonder if Ratner gets a shot and if he fails then tank? Maybe they take a QB this year after all.

[slyguy]

So essentially Carr is a "you could do worse" tier. I wonder if Ratner gets a shot and if he fails then tank? Maybe they take a QB this year after all.Rattler's the real deal. He was thrown to the wolves last year with Olave, Kamara, OL, etc missing... but he didn't look lost. He played good, interviewed good for a rookie on a terrible team + interim coach that was getting destroyed weekly.

However, they CLEARLY need to bring in someone at QB for the roster... trade/FA or draft, probably both. It will happen.

Haener is absolutely horrible (only start he fell down 0-14 with 4-10-49-0-1 against a mediocre Wash team... before Rattler came in after halftime and brought them all the way back with XP to tie/win). Haener is too small and simply not good, and he needs to be cut... not an NFL talent, which was obvious when rookie Rattler blew past him on depth chart to fill in for Carr despite Jake being on the team and taking reps a year longer.

Haener and the Cowboys' bust pick (DiNucci... XFL / practice squad guy) are unlikely to make the Saints 53 man team.

...It would make sense to work out a vet like Wentz or Tanehill or Bridgewater who has good mentor value and fair skill. They're probably waiting a couple weeks (until after the draft) at this point. DiNucci as their roster "vet" with about one total NFL game worth of snaps played ever, back in 2020, is scary. It's possible they'll see what vets are cap casualty in preseason, but that's fairly risky.

If the Carr injury is serious (it might be overblown?) and they don't want ARodg (who the heck would, lol), then the 2025 NOLA depth QB chart will likely be Rattler QB1, vet QB2, rookie QB3.

[DMACcollector]

Rattler's the real deal. He was thrown to the wolves last year with Olave, Kamara, OL, etc missing... but he didn't look lost. He played good, interviewed good for a rookie on a terrible team + interim coach that was getting destroyed weekly.

However, they CLEARLY need to bring in someone at QB for the roster... trade/FA or draft, probably both. It will happen.

Haener is absolutely horrible (only start he fell down 0-14 with 4-10-0-1 against a mediocre Wash team... before Rattler came in after halftime and brought them all the way back with XP to tie/win). Haener is too small and simply not good, and he needs to be cut... not an NFL talent, which was obvious when rookie Rattler blew past him on depth chart to fill in for Carr despite Jake being on the team and taking reps a year longer.

Haener and the Cowboys' bust pick (DiNucci... XFL / practice squad guy) are unlikely to make the Saints 53 man team.

...It would make sense to work out a vet like Wentz or Tanehill or Bridgewater who has good mentor value and fair skill. They're probably waiting a couple weeks (until after the draft) at this point. DiNucci as their roster "vet" with about one total NFL game worth of snaps played ever, back in 2020, is scary. It's possible they'll see what vets are cap casualty in preseason, but that's fairly risky.

If the Carr injury is serious (it might be overblown?) and they don't want ARodg (who the heck would, lol), then the 2025 NOLA depth QB chart will likely be Rattler QB1, vet QB2, rookie QB3.

Hilarious.

[Floridacardguy]

Rattler's the real deal. He was thrown to the wolves last year with Olave, Kamara, OL, etc missing... but he didn't look lost. He played good, interviewed good for a rookie on a terrible team + interim coach that was getting destroyed weekly.

However, they CLEARLY need to bring in someone at QB for the roster... trade/FA or draft, probably both. It will happen.

Haener is absolutely horrible (only start he fell down 0-14 with 4-10-49-0-1 against a mediocre Wash team... before Rattler came in after halftime and brought them all the way back with XP to tie/win). Haener is too small and simply not good, and he needs to be cut... not an NFL talent, which was obvious when rookie Rattler blew past him on depth chart to fill in for Carr despite Jake being on the team and taking reps a year longer.

Haener and the Cowboys' bust pick (DiNucci... XFL / practice squad guy) are unlikely to make the Saints 53 man team.

...It would make sense to work out a vet like Wentz or Tanehill or Bridgewater who has good mentor value and fair skill. They're probably waiting a couple weeks (until after the draft) at this point. DiNucci as their roster "vet" with about one total NFL game worth of snaps played ever, back in 2020, is scary. It's possible they'll see what vets are cap casualty in preseason, but that's fairly risky.

If the Carr injury is serious (it might be overblown?) and they don't want ARodg (who the heck would, lol), then the 2025 NOLA depth QB chart will likely be Rattler QB1, vet QB2, rookie QB3.

I liked Rattler as a possible draft sleeper too, but how can you say 'he's the real deal' based on what he did last year? 57% completion %, 4 TDs 5 picks. While he clearly looked better than Haener, that is not exactly a high bar. To be fair to Rattler, that offense was down to MVS as their #1 weapon which is a nightmare scenario. While I don't think you can write off Rattler based on that crap show of an offense last year, I also don't understand how he was "the real deal" either based on those crappy stats he put up. If he put up great stats with crappy weapons, that would be something to be excited about.
I think they probably hang on to him, but probably not as a starter. At the very least, he gets some competition via the draft, or Tanner McKee gets traded to them to start. Contrast McKee against Rattler, 4 TDs on 41 passes with no picks. Started for the Eagles throwing to backup WRs against the Giants #1 D players. 66% completion % no turnovers. McKee had as many TD passes on 45 passes as Rattler had on 228. Given the head coaches ties to the Eagles and McKee, don't be surprised if they deal him to the Saints.

[Boo]

I liked Rattler as a possible draft sleeper too, but how can you say 'he's the real deal' based on what he did last year? 57% completion %, 4 TDs 5 picks. While he clearly looked better than Haener, that is not exactly a high bar. To be fair to Rattler, that offense was down to MVS as their #1 weapon which is a nightmare scenario. While I don't think you can write off Rattler based on that crap show of an offense last year, I also don't understand how he was "the real deal" either based on those crappy stats he put up. If he put up great stats with crappy weapons, that would be something to be excited about.
I think they probably hang on to him, but probably not as a starter. At the very least, he gets some competition via the draft, or Tanner McKee gets traded to them to start. Contrast McKee against Rattler, 4 TDs on 41 passes with no picks. Started for the Eagles throwing to backup WRs against the Giants #1 D players. 66% completion % no turnovers. McKee had as many TD passes on 45 passes as Rattler had on 228. Given the head coaches ties to the Eagles and McKee, don't be surprised if they deal him to the Saints.

McKee was playing against scrubs too, get out and see reality.

[DMACcollector]

What’s with all the McKee trade talk? I haven’t seen anything saying the Eagles are shopping McKee. Is this based on the acquisition of DTR? He won’t beat out McKee for QB2.

[Boo]

What’s with all the McKee trade talk? I haven’t seen anything saying the Eagles are shopping McKee. Is this based on the acquisition of DTR? He won’t beat out McKee for QB2.

It's all in FCG's head

[mjekase]

It's not impossible, but they would have to be blown away by a deal. He has more value to the Eagles right now.

[Floridacardguy]

What’s with all the McKee trade talk? I haven’t seen anything saying the Eagles are shopping McKee. Is this based on the acquisition of DTR? He won’t beat out McKee for QB2.

There's a wonderful search engine called 'GOOGLE' just use it to search the name 'Tanner McKee' then look at the results. It's a miracle of technology

https://i.ibb.co/TpfZpGB/IMG-3080.jpg (https://ibb.co/pG7gGTv)

[Floridacardguy]

It's not impossible, but they would have to be blown away by a deal. He has more value to the Eagles right now.

If they could turn a 6th rounder into a 3rd rounder, I am sure it would be a consideration

[Floridacardguy]

McKee was playing against scrubs too, get out and see reality.

Let me override your dumb take. Eagles backups Mckee was using- NO AJ BROWN, NO SMITH, NO BARKLEY against the #1 Giants D players and McKee sliced and diced them.

[mjekase]

If they could turn a 6th rounder into a 3rd rounder, I am sure it would be a consideration

That's not how they view him as an asset, I'm sure. They don't have to trade Tanner McKee just to get a third round pick, when they'll have a projected 20 picks in '25 and '26.

[Ninotores]

Rattler's the real deal. He was thrown to the wolves last year with Olave, Kamara, OL, etc missing... but he didn't look lost. He played good, interviewed good for a rookie on a terrible team + interim coach that was getting destroyed weekly.

However, they CLEARLY need to bring in someone at QB for the roster... trade/FA or draft, probably both. It will happen.

Haener is absolutely horrible (only start he fell down 0-14 with 4-10-49-0-1 against a mediocre Wash team... before Rattler came in after halftime and brought them all the way back with XP to tie/win). Haener is too small and simply not good, and he needs to be cut... not an NFL talent, which was obvious when rookie Rattler blew past him on depth chart to fill in for Carr despite Jake being on the team and taking reps a year longer.

Haener and the Cowboys' bust pick (DiNucci... XFL / practice squad guy) are unlikely to make the Saints 53 man team.

...It would make sense to work out a vet like Wentz or Tanehill or Bridgewater who has good mentor value and fair skill. They're probably waiting a couple weeks (until after the draft) at this point. DiNucci as their roster "vet" with about one total NFL game worth of snaps played ever, back in 2020, is scary. It's possible they'll see what vets are cap casualty in preseason, but that's fairly risky.

If the Carr injury is serious (it might be overblown?) and they don't want ARodg (who the heck would, lol), then the 2025 NOLA depth QB chart will likely be Rattler QB1, vet QB2, rookie QB3.

Ok, so according to you.

Cowboys are a contender.
Rattler is the real deal.
No one cares about rookie autos when they can get autos from "any year" after it.

Your posts went from annoying to hilarious. Sometimes I almost think your account is a troll account by a different member here just having fun.

[Floridacardguy]

That's not how they view him as an asset, I'm sure. They don't have to trade Tanner McKee just to get a third round pick, when they'll have a projected 20 picks in '25 and '26.

And why exactly would they not want even more draft capital? Maybe with all those picks, they can get up to an extra 1st or a couple seconds
And If they can grab another 6th rounder QB to develop and flip in a few years?

[Floridacardguy]

Ok, so according to you.

Cowboys are a contender.
Rattler is the real deal.
No one cares about rookie autos when they can get autos from "any year" after it.

Your posts went from annoying to hilarious. Sometimes I almost think your account is a troll account by a different member here just having fun.

You summed it up well. You forgot one thing, he also says SGC 10 graded cards add no value to the card

[hxcmilkshake]

Let me override your dumb take. Eagles backups Mckee was using- NO AJ BROWN, NO SMITH, NO BARKLEY against the #1 Giants D players and McKee sliced and diced them.Hey hey HEY! You leave the Giants alone !!!

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[mjekase]

And why exactly would they not want even more draft capital? Maybe with all those picks, they can get up to an extra 1st or a couple seconds
And If they can grab another 6th rounder QB to develop and flip in a few years?

You're missing the point. The Eagles don't have to trade Tanner McKee. He has value to them this year. They have a ton of draft capital and a young backup QB on the cheap. Given that Roseman has received firsts in previous QB deals for older guys with bad/worse contracts, there's very little incentive for them to trade McKee for a third round pick, in my opinion.

[slyguy]

I liked Rattler as a possible draft sleeper too, but how can you say 'he's the real deal' based on what he did last year? 57% completion %, 4 TDs 5 picks. While he clearly looked better than Haener, that is not exactly a high bar. To be fair to Rattler, that offense was down to MVS as their #1 weapon which is a nightmare scenario. While I don't think you can write off Rattler based on that crap show of an offense last year, I also don't understand how he was "the real deal" either based on those crappy stats he put up. If he put up great stats with crappy weapons, that would be something to be excited about.
I think they probably hang on to him, but probably not as a starter. At the very least, he gets some competition via the draft....I agree with this (competition/depth for NOLA via draft and probably a vet QB backup trade/FA).
They have no depth if Carr isn't going to play. They will do something.

But it was clear from 2024 Rattler can play at NFL speed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcZRyu-rWzM), has a strong arm to make good throws (typically on the RUN), can extend plays. The pressure and lack of dependable pocket he faces was insane. Watch him squirt of sack after sack. I think he made great decisions and minimized turnovers for the Saints all things considered. At this point, him being a 5th or 3rd or 1st overall or whatever pick no longer matters (aside from cap in a couple more years). What matters is he played - and beat - top competition in college (on a good OU team and then a shaky SC team), and now he has played well in pros - despite serious pocket duress. To add to it, he was very good and calm and positive with postgame interviews (a major part of NFL, and cards, popularity) despite the railroad of losses and struggles for his team.

In 2024 rook year, watching Rattler was similar to watching Drake Maye: some flashes, but a pretty horrid team around him. Had he played enough games, Rattler's record would've been similar (Maye only played against 4 playoff teams all year, won none of them (@Buf, vs LAC, vs LAR, vs Hou).

Rattler played 6 of his 7 rookie NFL games against all playoff teams (@TB, @LAC, @GB, vs Den, vs Was, vs TB, vs LV).
He was literally throwing to Bub Means, Foster Morneau, Kendre Miller, other practice squad talent... behind a makeshift offensive line. Starting WRs Olave and Rashid Shaheed didn't play any games Rattler started, and start TE Juwan Johnson and RB Kamara missed most of Rattler's starts also. That't not to mention interim HC and staff in there for Saints most of 2024.

So yeah, being a rookie QB is hard. Rookie QB with a crap team is very hard. Crap team + few/no preseason starter reps = amazingly hard. Even Mahomes or Burrow would've been lucky to go 2-4 in that stretch of Rattler games with that preseason quality roster against playoff teams. Maybe Josh Allen or Lamar goes 3-3 as they can scramble? Almost any other rookie QB would've done worse than Spencer. Haener did much worse. Carr didn't do well after NO had injuries either (lost @Car and nearly lost @NYG, then got hurt again).

Both Maye and Rattler have almost nowhere to go but up 2025 (except Maye's values are fairly high due to #3 pick... Rattler's are pretty low).

You're missing the point. The Eagles don't have to trade Tanner McKee. He has value to them this year. They have a ton of draft capital and a young backup QB on the cheap. Given that Roseman has received firsts in previous QB deals for older guys with bad/worse contracts, there's very little incentive for them to trade McKee for a third round pick, in my opinion.Lol, if Joe Milton is a 7th rd pick ... and Pickett (twice), Fields, Howell, Mac, etc are a 6th or a 5th value, there is no way McKee is a 3rd pick value.

Eagles will just keep him (as said you and above by a few ppl). Hurts gets hurt a lot. They might also draft a QB, pick up Huntley, etc. Unless he's drastically improved, DTR is a likely preseason cut.

[Floridacardguy]

You're missing the point. The Eagles don't have to trade Tanner McKee. He has value to them this year. They have a ton of draft capital and a young backup QB on the cheap. Given that Roseman has received firsts in previous QB deals for older guys with bad/worse contracts, there's very little incentive for them to trade McKee for a third round pick, in my opinion.

I get he has value, but he also has value if his price is a 3rd rounder when they grabbed him in the 6th

[Floridacardguy]

I agree with this (competition/depth for NOLA via draft and probably a vet QB backup trade/FA).
They have no depth if Carr isn't going to play. They will do something.

But it was clear from 2024 Rattler can play at NFL speed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcZRyu-rWzM), has a strong arm to make good throws (typically on the RUN), can extend plays. The pressure and lack of dependable pocket he faces was insane. Watch him squirt of sack after sack. I think he made great decisions and minimized turnovers for the Saints all things considered. At this point, him being a 5th or 3rd or 1st overall or whatever pick no longer matters (aside from cap in a couple more years). What matters is he played - and beat - top competition in college (on a good OU team and then a shaky SC team), and now he has played well in pros - despite serious pocket duress. To add to it, he was very good and calm and positive with postgame interviews (a major part of NFL, and cards, popularity) despite the railroad of losses and struggles for his team.

In 2024 rook year, watching Rattler was similar to watching Drake Maye: some flashes, but a pretty horrid team around him. Had he played enough games, Rattler's record would've been similar (Maye only played against 4 playoff teams all year, won none of them (@Buf, vs LAC, vs LAR, vs Hou).

Rattler played 6 of his 7 rookie NFL games against all playoff teams (@TB, @LAC, @GB, vs Den, vs Was, vs TB, vs LV).
He was literally throwing to Bub Means, Foster Morneau, Kendre Miller, other practice squad talent... behind a makeshift offensive line. Starting WRs Olave and Rashid Shaheed didn't play any games Rattler started, and start TE Juwan Johnson and RB Kamara missed most of Rattler's starts also. That't not to mention interim HC and staff in there for Saints most of 2024.

So yeah, being a rookie QB is hard. Rookie QB with a crap team is very hard. Crap team + few/no preseason starter reps = amazingly hard. Even Mahomes or Burrow would've been lucky to go 2-4 in that stretch of Rattler games with that preseason quality roster against playoff teams. Maybe Josh Allen or Lamar goes 3-3 as they can scramble? Almost any other rookie QB would've done worse than Spencer. Haener did much worse. Carr didn't do well after NO had injuries either (lost @Car and nearly lost @NYG, then got hurt again).

Both Maye and Rattler have almost nowhere to go but up 2025 (except Maye's values are fairly high due to #3 pick... Rattler's are pretty low).

Lol, if Joe Milton is a 7th rd pick ... and Pickett (twice), Fields, Howell, Mac, etc are a 6th or a 5th value, there is no way McKee is a 3rd pick value.

Eagles will just keep him (as said you and above by a few ppl). Hurts gets hurt a lot. They might also draft a QB, pick up Huntley, etc. Unless he's drastically improved, DTR is a likely preseason cut.



Joe Milton hasn't proven anything. Tanner McKee HAS.

[Scottish Punk]

I would think McKee isn't worth trading unless somebody really blows them away with an offer. Given Mckee has only 45 pass attempts, that isn't likely to happen. Most teams don't want to move to much trade capital for back up QBs unless they are on the cusp of a Super Bowl with an injured starting QB. Hurts is bound to get dinged up based on his running style and the copious amounts of tush pushes. McKee knows the system and his cheap, more value to the Eagles to just keep him.

Saints may as well let Rattler play it out this year and get a full look anyways. Haener sucks as a backup, I get it, but really he is the 3rd string. I get the free agent cupboard is bare. If Rattler stinks it up, draft somebody next year. Carr has a big cap hit next year, they will need to work around. Rookie QB contracts help that.

[majestik101]

All this Saints talk is just gums flappin'.

The NFC South runs through Tampa

Saints will be lucky if they squeak by with a winning record

[Boo]

All this Saints talk is just gums flappin'.

The NFC South runs through Tampa

Saints will be lucky if they squeak by with a winning record

And ends with a first round loss.

[majestik101]

And ends with a first round loss.

A nice rabbit stew sounds good for dinner tonight

[mjekase]

Joe Milton hasn't proven anything. Tanner McKee HAS.

I like Tanner McKee a lot. But he hasn't.
He's still a lottery ticket to every other team not named the Eagles.

[asujbl]

This thread has gotten awful. No one cares about any of these future Mike Kafka’s

Talk about real players

[Boo]

This thread has gotten awful. No one cares about any of these future Mike Kafka’s

Talk about real players

It’s FCG, he can only talk McKee.

[Floridacardguy]

It’s FCG, he can only talk McKee.

Yeah, let's keep talking about Herbert, Burrow, and Lawrence, and how they were the greatest investments ever, and how 'one of these days' they are going to actually do something :doh:

[tjforce]

Yeah, let's keep talking about Herbert, Burrow, and Lawrence, and how they were the greatest investments ever, and how 'one of these days' they are going to actually do something :doh:

They've all done about 1,000,000x more than Mckee will ever do. so sure....

Herbert has a new job of being "Game manager extraordinaire" as Harbough builds his offense around him.

Burrow will be the first QB pick off the board in fantasy, and the Bengals went Yolo on offensive weapons but apparently dont plan of playing much defense.

Maybe Trevor finds a way to improve from consistently average. Or maybe not

[slyguy]

...Burrow will be the first QB pick off the board in fantasy...The whipper snappers are more into the runner QBs for FFB now. Josh Allen, Lamar, maybe JDaniels, Hurts will be top fantasy picks. They want the rush yards and the goal line sneaks.

Burrow, Mahomes, Goff, maybe JJ McCarthy and Penix and the real passers go a bit later.

It's too bad. Mike Vick started it when he'd be the top fantasy QB (or player overall) even though his team wouldn't make playoffs. :confused:

It's like how the real between-the-tackles classic RBs get largely overshadowed by the RBs who catch a lot of swing passes since it's all PPR now.

...but one thing's for sure: Fanner McWee won't be drafted.

[Siberian13]

It’s FCG, he can only talk McKee.

Baker getting jelly

[Floridacardguy]

Baker getting jelly

Who's that?

[Floridacardguy]

They've all done about 1,000,000x more than Mckee will ever do. so sure....

Herbert has a new job of being "Game manager extraordinaire" as Harbough builds his offense around him.

Burrow will be the first QB pick off the board in fantasy, and the Bengals went Yolo on offensive weapons but apparently dont plan of playing much defense.

Maybe Trevor finds a way to improve from consistently average. Or maybe not

Have they? They haven't lived up to the hype, especially Herbert & Lawrence, and I wouldn't be shocked if McKee becomes a more successful QB than any of them

[Boo]

Yeah, let's keep talking about Herbert, Burrow, and Lawrence, and how they were the greatest investments ever, and how 'one of these days' they are going to actually do something :doh:

I agree, let’s talk about QBs that have started since they were rookies, compared to a scrub backup.

[Ninotores]

Burrow has been to a Super Bowl...how is he considered "one of these days". Josh Allen has played longer, as has Lamar, and neither of them can say that. Nor can Goff. Or Prescott.

[Grid]

Burrow has been to a Super Bowl...how is he considered "one of these days". Josh Allen has played longer, as has Lamar, and neither of them can say that. Nor can Goff. Or Prescott.

Yup. Over the past 10 years, only Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow have won the AFC Championship game. And if we roll back to 2013, you can add Peyton Manning to that list. And no one else. Just those four.

Pretty good company.

[asujbl]

Have they? They haven't lived up to the hype, especially Herbert & Lawrence, and I wouldn't be shocked if McKee becomes a more successful QB than any of them

You’re the only person on planet earth that wouldn’t be shocked

His mom would laugh at your post

[Floridacardguy]

You’re the only person on planet earth that wouldn’t be shocked

His mom would laugh at your post

Well just get back to me when one of these guys actually does anything

[Floridacardguy]

I agree, let’s talk about QBs that have started since they were rookies, compared to a scrub backup.

Oh the over rated over hyped over priced guys. Last I checked McKee has a ring. Does Herbert, Burrow, Lamar or Allen?

[Siberian13]

Oh the over rated over hyped over priced guys. Last I checked McKee has a ring. Does Herbert, Burrow, Lamar or Allen?

https://media.tenor.com/DkY1RXTKCFsAAAAM/dark-knight.gif

[asujbl]

Oh the over rated over hyped over priced guys. Last I checked McKee has a ring. Does Herbert, Burrow, Lamar or Allen?

Pickett has a ring

Browns SB upcoming?

Rhetorical you dummy

Don’t go full Slyguy… you’re going full Slyguy

[tjforce]

Have they? They haven't lived up to the hype, especially Herbert & Lawrence, and I wouldn't be shocked if McKee becomes a more successful QB than any of them

Wow.


So a lot of people around here would probably call me the biggest Burrow hater on this board.... and fair enough, I've been more critical than most of him.

But that man threw for 43 TDs last year, 4900 yards, and took his team to the Super Bowl.

Herbert is about 2 years and 1 month older than McKee. He has thrown for 20,700 more yards and 133 more TDs. Lets see if Tanner can make up the ground on those numbers over the next 2 years from the bench.

[tjforce]

Pickett has a ring

Browns SB upcoming?

Rhetorical you dummy

Don’t go full Slyguy… you’re going full Slyguy

This guy is past Slyguy....

He's hopeless "I'm gonna be smarter than everyone else and find that next big thing QB, and if that doesn't work, I'll just pump him endlessly because maybe it'll increase prices on eBay" guy.

I've seen different iterations of this guy in the hobby since Kevin Kolb was drafted, and it turns out the same every time: They cycle through loser QBs until they finally hit one that ends up being a 2 time pro bowler, or quit the hobby with nothing but dollar bin cards to show for it.

[slyguy]

https://media.tenor.com/DkY1RXTKCFsAAAAM/dark-knight.gifPeople confuse wanting the cards they own to go up in price... with the player actually being good. It's the same with fantasy football: everyone thinks they have the best team right after the draft ends.

The guy thinks Trask, McKee are the next big thing out of hope. He might truly believe it, lol.
It's classic wanting for what you currently have to be golden (prospects riding the bench)...
while despising what you don't have (star QBs).

The prices are what they are for a reason.
It's myopic to look at price and not value which you get (1 Mahomes RC or 1 Brady RC is better than 15 Bo Nix RC or 15 Favre RCs).
Of course it's easy to get cheap cards of lower end QB prospects (I did it a bit with Malik Willis when I got back into NFL cards). It's typically not going to be a value move.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-for-some-reason-people-take-their-cues-from-price-action-rather-than-from-values-price-warren-buffett-142-41-22.jpg

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-it-s-far-better-to-buy-a-wonderful-company-at-a-fair-price-than-a-fair-company-at-a-warren-buffett-4-6-0661.jpg

[Ninotores]

People confuse wanting the cards they own to go up in price... with the player actually being good. It's the same with fantasy football: everyone thinks they have the best team right after the draft ends.

The guy thinks Trask, McKee are the next big thing out of hope. He might truly believe it, lol.
It's classic wanting for what you currently have to be golden (prospects riding the bench)...
while despising what you don't have (star QBs).

The prices are what they are for a reason.
It's myopic to look at price and not value which you get (1 Mahomes RC or 1 Brady RC is better than 15 Bo Nix RC or 15 Favre RCs).
Of course it's easy to get cheap cards of lower end QB prospects (I did it a bit with Malik Willis when I got back into NFL cards). It's typically not going to be a value move.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-for-some-reason-people-take-their-cues-from-price-action-rather-than-from-values-price-warren-buffett-142-41-22.jpg

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-it-s-far-better-to-buy-a-wonderful-company-at-a-fair-price-than-a-fair-company-at-a-warren-buffett-4-6-0661.jpg

Yeah but you think Dak Prescott is great so your opinion is discarded. You also posted quotes of one of the worst people alive.

[DMACcollector]

There's a wonderful search engine called 'GOOGLE' just use it to search the name 'Tanner McKee' then look at the results. It's a miracle of technology

https://i.ibb.co/TpfZpGB/IMG-3080.jpg (https://ibb.co/pG7gGTv)

No wonder you’re misinformed.

[Floridacardguy]

No wonder you’re misinformed.

You're welcome

[slyguy]

Sam Howell on the trade block with Seattle having Darnold + Lock... last year of Howell's rookie deal $1.1M this year, then FA next offseason.

He could reportedly get cut if they don't find a trade. (since Drew Lock is awesome??? wtf)

Pitt could consider it?
I wouldn't mind if Minn picked him up. (one year trial/depth like Dan Jones was)
He'd be a much better backup for Chargers, Broncos, Texans, etc playoff teams than what they have?
He could compete to start for Colts or Titans ...probably a few other teams too.

I can't imagine the price would be any more than maybe a 6th rd pick (likely a 6th for a 7th or something).
It's one of weakest QB drafts in recent memory, so I'd think Howell would have at least a bit of interest post-draft.

Sam is only 24 yrs old and was not amazing for Washington, but he showed flashes. He makes teams a threat to win... more than you can say for a lot of young QBs that just sit there and take sacks. He kinda looked like a young Favre or Rivers (many INTs, but slinging it and giving his team a chance). Unless he's way out of shape or something, I'd imagine he gets a chance to contribute somewhere. We'll see.

[Siberian13]

Sam Howell isn’t even as good as Tanner McKee. Washington did well to get what they got final trade.

[packman80]

Sam Howell on the trade block with Seattle having Darnold + Lock... last year of Howell's rookie deal $1.1M this year, then FA next offseason.

He could reportedly get cut if they don't find a trade. (since Drew Lock is awesome??? wtf)

Pitt could consider it?
I wouldn't mind if Minn picked him up. (one year trial/depth like Dan Jones was)
He'd be a much better backup for Chargers, Broncos, Texans, etc playoff teams than what they have?
He could compete to start for Colts or Titans ...probably a few other teams too.

I can't imagine the price would be any more than maybe a 6th rd pick (likely a 6th for a 7th or something).
It's one of weakest QB drafts in recent memory, so I'd think Howell would have at least a bit of interest post-draft.

Sam is only 24 yrs old and was not amazing for Washington, but he showed flashes. He makes teams a threat to win... more than you can say for a lot of young QBs that just sit there and take sacks. He kinda looked like a young Favre or Rivers (many INTs, but slinging it and giving his team a chance). Unless he's way out of shape or something, I'd imagine he gets a chance to contribute somewhere. We'll see.

Sam Howell future is in the UFL or CFL.

[Siberian13]

Falcons signed their 4th qb. Cousins should be gone soon I’d imagine.

[duwal]

Falcons signed their 4th qb. Cousins should be gone soon I’d imagine.


Cousins now the highest paid ever QB coach

[49erRCCollector]

My wife just saw Julian Edelman at the grocery store.

[DMACcollector]

Was he buying Tostitos?


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[49erRCCollector]

Was he buying Tostitos?


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Ha! I’m guessing he has a few bags laying around already.

[Boo]

Pickens and a 6th to the Cowboys for a 3rd and a 5th. I'm not sure who won that trade.

[oldgoldy97]

Pickens and a 6th to the Cowboys for a 3rd and a 5th. I'm not sure who won that trade.

Where’s that guy saying Pickens was worth a first?


I’ll wait for his reply :coffee:

[mjekase]

Edge to Cowboys, though that's a good deal for both teams given each of their circumstances. Upside is really high if Pickens works there.

[scotts]

Addition by Subtraction

If Steelers were not going to extend Pickens this off season, he probably would have held out of training camp and caused a fuss. Get something for him now before he walks after the season

[hrad_23]

Pickens and a 6th to the Cowboys for a 3rd and a 5th. I'm not sure who won that trade.

I'm glad the Steelers got rid of him. So much talent but such a headache. Hope it works out for him in Dallas but am a little skeptical.

[asujbl]

It’s a B/B trade

Good idea for both at this point

[oldgoldy97]

It’s a B/B trade

Good idea for both at this point

Pickett to Pickens sounded like a good combo.

[asujbl]

Pickett to Pickens sounded like a good combo.

Prescott to Pickens is close enough

[majestik101]

He's not even all that good so I don't get what all the hubbubs about. I guess because it's the Cowboys we're all supposed to give a damn?

[oldgoldy97]

He's not even all that good so I don't get what all the hubbubs about. I guess because it's the Cowboys we're all supposed to give a damn?

So it wasn’t you that said he was worth a first?

[asujbl]

He's not even all that good so I don't get what all the hubbubs about. I guess because it's the Cowboys we're all supposed to give a damn?

He’s pretty good

[asujbl]

This doesn’t seem that good… and before you say “well Cleveland is worse” remember that’s the comparison you are making

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[Whodatiz]

He's not even all that good so I don't get what all the hubbubs about. I guess because it's the Cowboys we're all supposed to give a damn?

Stay in your Mike Evans bubble.

I'd take Pickens over Evans at this point.

[asujbl]

In all seriousness

Why even consider Rodgers? The Steelers are going to be garbage (so will the Browns… relax people thinking that’s a funny reply)

Do you just start whomever and get the draft pick? Or do you have to appease Metcalf, Watt, and Heyward?

Rodgers seems like a waste of time

We probably trade you Flacco for a 7th

[Grid]

In all seriousness

Why even consider Rodgers? The Steelers are going to be garbage (so will the Browns… relax people thinking that’s a funny reply)

Do you just start whomever and get the draft pick? Or do you have to appease Metcalf, Watt, and Heyward?

Rodgers seems like a waste of time

We probably trade you Flacco for a 7th

They will sign Snoop Huntley, to at least make it seem like they are trying to do something.

[asujbl]

They will sign Snoop Huntley, to at least make it seem like they are trying to do something.

Browns tried that. So might as well. Haha

[Siberian13]

Steelers should take Cousins off the Falcons hands. :)!

[majestik101]

Stay in your Mike Evans bubble.

I'd take Pickens over Evans at this point.

Ah, there he is. The smack talker has arrived!

And no duh Pickens is 7 years younger than Evans. Nice observation, NN

So it wasn’t you that said he was worth a first?

Heavens no

[Floridacardguy]

Steelers should take Cousins off the Falcons hands. :)!

Why are the Steelers hoping for old washed up guys? Did you see him or Rodgers play last year? They are dust. Why are they banking their season on either guy?

[Siberian13]

Why are the Steelers hoping for old washed up guys? Did you see him or Rodgers play last year? They are dust. Why are they banking their season on either guy?

I don’t care. I just want him off the falcons. It’s either that or Mason Rudolph:)

[jmarascojr]

Gabe Davis left Buffalo to get the bag and gets cut after one season.

I think Buffalo should pick him back up at minimal cost, he already knows the system and JA is comfortable with him, especially in the playoffs.

[Whodatiz]

Ah, there he is. The smack talker has arrived!

And no duh Pickens is 7 years younger than Evans. Nice observation, NN



Heavens no

I wasn't referencing the age gap.

How do you go from one extreme to the next in your posts? Are you bi-polar by chance?

[asujbl]

Gabe Davis left Buffalo to get the bag and gets cut after one season.

I think Buffalo should pick him back up at minimal cost, he already knows the system and JA is comfortable with him, especially in the playoffs.

So he’s super smart

He’s going to end up in Cleveland

[majestik101]

I wasn't referencing the age gap.

How do you go from one extreme to the next in your posts? Are you bi-polar by chance?

Nope not bipolar but how do you take Pickens over Evans? Career stats? Accomplishments? There's no comparison. I don't even see how you can compare the two. Other than make the case that one is younger than the other then obviously you go for the younger receiver.

[Siberian13]

Nope not bipolar but how do you take Pickens over Evans? Career stats? Accomplishments? There's no comparison. I don't even see how you can compare the two. Other than make the case that one is younger than the other then obviously you go for the younger receiver.

Because he got a rise out of you. :)!

[majestik101]

Because he got a rise out of you. :)!

Great are we talking about Aaron Judge now?

[BostonNut]

Tom Brady MADE Mike Evans.
























































































































































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[majestik101]

Tom Brady MADE Mike Evans.

Sorry. Only one rise per day.

try tomorrow

[Siberian13]

Sorry. Only one rise per day.

try tomorrow

We all know this ain’t true. :)

FCG, where you at

[majestik101]

We all know this ain’t true. :)

FCG, where you at

Probably busy applying HDR filters to his SGC slabs pics

[packman80]

The Chiefs superfan who was robbing banks got a extra 14 years in prison in OK on top of his federal prison term.

[Floridacardguy]

Probably busy applying HDR filters to his SGC slabs pics

Not sure what that means but ok

[BostonNut]

The Chiefs superfan who was robbing banks got a extra 14 years in prison in OK on top of his federal prison term.

Is this why slyguy got suspended? :confused:

[majestik101]

Is this why slyguy got suspended? :confused:

He's not that clever

[majestik101]

When the G.O.A.T. meets a Hall Of Very Good player

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[Josh611]

New York Jets signed Michael Fletcher

This is the grandson of my former boss. This is awesome. Good for him.

[majestik101]

Philadelphia Eagles and head coach Nick Siriani mutually agree to a multi-year contract extension.

LCM probably pissed that it was a multi-year and not a one year contract with a termination clause.

https://www.nfl.com/news/eagles-hc-nick-sirianni-agrees-to-multi-year-contract-extension-following-super-bowl-win

[Siberian13]

Well deserved. Fred Warner gets 3 years $63 mill

[asujbl]

Niners better win something big with the money they are throwing around

They are going to collapse very quickly if they don’t

[Fenway55]

Well deserved. Fred Warner gets 3 years $63 millI think the 9ers got a steal there considering it is an extension.

[oldgoldy97]

Niners better win something big with the money they are throwing around

They are going to collapse very quickly if they don’t

They are neck and neck with Chicago for preseason Super Bowl champs.

[anusinha]

The Niners have opt outs in 2-3 years for all their big guys, if they crash and burn in the next little bit, they will just fire everyone, burn the cap for a year and rebuild.

[gomiamigo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUHhB1C-5ZY&ab_channel=PhiladelphiaEagles

[gomiamigo]

The Niners have opt outs in 2-3 years for all their big guys, if they crash and burn in the next little bit, they will just fire everyone, burn the cap for a year and rebuild.

9ers ain't winning anything with Brock Purdy as their QB.

Like Cousins and Darnold, he looks great when everything in the offense works perfectly and he's not facing a great D.

Unlike Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow, Lamar, Josh, he cannot lift his team when they need it most against an equal/better opponent.

[Floridacardguy]

9ers ain't winning anything with Brock Purdy as their QB.

Like Cousins and Darnold, he looks great when everything in the offense works perfectly and he's not facing a great D.

Unlike Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow, Lamar, Josh, he cannot lift his team when they need it most against an equal/better opponent.

How man Super Bowl rings do Josh Allen, Burrow, and Lamar have between them exactly? Asking for a friend :doh:
They obviously didn't do much lifting of their teams

[tjforce]

How man Super Bowl rings do Josh Allen, Burrow, and Lamar have between them exactly? Asking for a friend :doh:
They obviously didn't do much lifting of their teams

Good logic....

Add Dan Marino to the list of QBs who were never good enough to lift his team's performance.

Trent Dilfer though.... Ravens never get that Super Bowl if 147 yard per game passing in the playoffs don't carry them there (the defense gave up 23 points in 4 games)

[Grid]

How man Super Bowl rings do Josh Allen, Burrow, and Lamar have between them exactly? Asking for a friend :doh:
They obviously didn't do much lifting of their teams

I just looked up Purdy's post season stats.

6 games played, 6 total TD's thrown. He averaged 1 TD & 223 yards per game. Not a rushing threat. You gotta do better than that.

Josh Allen in 13 games, averaged almost 3 TDs per and over 300 yards a game with his rushing included. 4,000 yards and & 32 TDs against 4 INTs. You can look up Lamar and Burrow as well. But all 3 of those guys you pointed out, have to get past Mahomes and the Chiefs each year. Unlike the road Purdy gets to take.

[Ninotores]

How man Super Bowl rings do Josh Allen, Burrow, and Lamar have between them exactly? Asking for a friend :doh:
They obviously didn't do much lifting of their teams

So your logic is

Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Lamar Jackson
Phillip Rivers
Tony Romo
Warren Moon
Dan Marino
Randall Cunnigham

Never lifted up their teams enough. OK.

[Siberian13]

Good logic....

Add Dan Marino to the list of QBs who were never good enough to lift his team's performance.

Trent Dilfer though.... Ravens never get that Super Bowl if 147 yard per game passing in the playoffs don't carry them there (the defense gave up 23 points in 4 games)

Marino was like Bledsoe, a bum :)!

[majestik101]

Marino was like Bledsoe, a bum :)!

Brad Johnson > Dilfer > Marino > Bledsoe > Purdy

:)

[asujbl]

How man Super Bowl rings do Josh Allen, Burrow, and Lamar have between them exactly? Asking for a friend :doh:
They obviously didn't do much lifting of their teams

This is always the stupidest argument people make. So bad

[Bosoxfan5990]

This is always the stupidest argument people make. So bad

Look who’s making the argument…

[asujbl]

Look who’s making the argument…

Oh I know. I forgot how dumb his posts were because of slyguy

But now we are back to baseline

[Floridacardguy]

I just looked up Purdy's post season stats.

6 games played, 6 total TD's thrown. He averaged 1 TD & 223 yards per game. Not a rushing threat. You gotta do better than that.

Josh Allen in 13 games, averaged almost 3 TDs per and over 300 yards a game with his rushing included. 4,000 yards and & 32 TDs against 4 INTs. You can look up Lamar and Burrow as well. But all 3 of those guys you pointed out, have to get past Mahomes and the Chiefs each year. Unlike the road Purdy gets to take.

Well the guy is 4&2 in the playoffs. And you did NOT mention in addition to his 6 TDS he has only 1 pick. And when the 49ers get down to the goal line, who gets the ball? The RB. Purdy doesn't pad stats by rushing it in. Also, don't forget Purdy is a last rd pick NOT a 1st rd pick. Guys like Allen and Burrow should be doing a lot more to lift their teams to SB wins. That has not happened.
Bottom line, Allen, Lamar, and Burrow all have the same amount of rings as Purdy. You can't spin that fact

[Floridacardguy]

This is always the stupidest argument people make. So bad

You hate it because it's true. If guys like Allen, Burrow, and the rest are so amazing, where are all the rings????

[asujbl]

You hate it because it's true. If guys like Allen, Burrow, and the rest are so amazing, where are all the rings????

Still stupid

[Grid]

Well the guy is 4&2 in the playoffs. And you did NOT mention in addition to his 6 TDS he has only 1 pick. And when the 49ers get down to the goal line, who gets the ball? The RB. Purdy doesn't pad stats by rushing it in. Also, don't forget Purdy is a last rd pick NOT a 1st rd pick. Guys like Allen and Burrow should be doing a lot more to lift their teams to SB wins. That has not happened.
Bottom line, Allen, Lamar, and Burrow all have the same amount of rings as Purdy. You can't spin that fact

How does him throwing a pick make up for only 1 TD per game? As if that stat line erases what I said. And for sure, he is doing more than his draft position. But that is not an argument being made. You wanted to compare him to 3 perennial MVP candidates.

And yes, we both agree he cant rush. 200 yards per season on average. I don't know how that helps your argument. Allen averages triple that, and has 32 rushing TD's (including the playoffs) over the last 2 seasons.

Thank you for pointing out even more flaws in Purdy's game, compared to the others on your list. If you think Purdy alone does more for his team, than Burrow, Allen and Lamar. I cant help you.

[Boo]

So the tush push vote failed by two votes. The Packers brought the vote to the table but apparently it was the NFL asking (telling) the Packers to bring it up. Roger is such a tool.

Jason Kelce spoke and Jeffrey Lurie spoke for about an hour. Lurie thought it would be banned so he went all in and told the owners that efforts to ban the play that they otherwise overwhelmingly can't stop was "like a wet dream for a teenage boy."

"Tempers flared" during the meeting, per ESPN's account. Lurie's "wet dream" analogy drew the ire of NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent, who reportedly chastised Lurie for making the comment in front of women in the room.


The following 10 teams reportedly saved the tush push by voting against the proposal:
Philadelphia Eagles
Baltimore Ravens
Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars
Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots
New Orleans Saints
New York Jets
Tennessee Titans

[BostonNut]

You’re welcome Eagles.

[Boo]

You’re welcome Eagles.

AFC East representing

[Boo]

If I was the Eagles in a meaningless game, I'd run the tush push from their own 20 to the other end of the field. See if they could score a TD.

[BostonNut]

If I was the Eagles in a meaningless game, I'd run the tush push from their own 20 to the other end of the field. See if they could score a TD.

Good way to injure your entire offensive line, NN. :doh:

[Boo]

Good way to injure your entire offensive line, NN. :doh:

Ok NFL. :doh::doh:

[packman80]

So the tush push vote failed by two votes. The Packers brought the vote to the table but apparently it was the NFL asking (telling) the Packers to bring it up. Roger is such a tool.

Jason Kelce spoke and Jeffrey Lurie spoke for about an hour. Lurie thought it would be banned so he went all in and told the owners that efforts to ban the play that they otherwise overwhelmingly can't stop was "like a wet dream for a teenage boy."

"Tempers flared" during the meeting, per ESPN's account. Lurie's "wet dream" analogy drew the ire of NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent, who reportedly chastised Lurie for making the comment in front of women in the room.


The following 10 teams reportedly saved the tush push by voting against the proposal:
Philadelphia Eagles
Baltimore Ravens
Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars
Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots
New Orleans Saints
New York Jets
Tennessee Titans

Yeah Eagles fans not that bright. They keep trying to troll the Packers and their fans despite this was 100% brought up by the league itself. They wanted this banned and used the Packers because Mark Murphy is retiring in July as team president. They figured he could take the blame for bringing this up and that no other owner would have to take the blame.

Though first time a injury happens to a starting QB you know they will be running to ban this in a 32-0 vote.

Until then keep it but be fair call offsides on the play when the OL always seems to be offsides when lining up to run the tush push. If you want to ban it have the refs start calling it as it should be.

[Bosoxfan5990]

AFC East representing

The Patriots know what it feels like to have rules changed on them because of another team being whiny crybabies.

[BostonNut]

The Patriots know what it feels like to have rules changed on them because of another team being whiny crybabies.

Truth.

[Boo]

One of the main complaints by defenses is that they use a hard count sometimes so that is what makes it unfair. They want it so that you have to go on the first count, that would even up the odds. I'm almost ok with that but at this point, let the Eagles keep doing it and making everyone else mad.

[hxcmilkshake]

I think the Eagles should do it more. 3rd and 3? Tush push twice if needed. Anywhere on the field.

Then other teams will copy.

And we will have 10+ tush pushes each game

Then it'll get banned because no one wants to watch rugby/football.

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[oldgoldy97]

I think the Eagles should do it more. 3rd and 3? Tush push twice if needed. Anywhere on the field.

Then other teams will copy.

And we will have 10+ tush pushes each game

Then it'll get banned because no one wants to watch rugby/football.

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I like your thinking.

[Floridacardguy]

I am just worried other teams will start doing it and then I am watching a rugby game. I don't want to watch rugby

[Grid]

Yeah Eagles fans not that bright. They keep trying to troll the Packers and their fans despite this was 100% brought up by the league itself. They wanted this banned and used the Packers because Mark Murphy is retiring in July as team president. They figured he could take the blame for bringing this up and that no other owner would have to take the blame.

Though first time a injury happens to a starting QB you know they will be running to ban this in a 32-0 vote.

Until then keep it but be fair call offsides on the play when the OL always seems to be offsides when lining up to run the tush push. If you want to ban it have the refs start calling it as it should be.

Not buying it. Packers wanted it banned, cause Jordan Love couldn't do it as well. He just pushes his own tush...

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[packman80]

Not buying it. Packers wanted it banned, cause Jordan Love couldn't do it as well. He just pushes his own tush...

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/love-1.gif

Packers HC and GM have said they could care less about Tush Push. NFL pushed Murphy into it he's retiring so why should he care if it makes him look bad.

[asujbl]

Packers HC and GM have said they could care less about Tush Push. NFL pushed Murphy into it he's retiring so why should he care if it makes him look bad.

So he could care?

[blackvodka]

Only two teams use the "tush push" with any real success. Personally, I would have been really surprised if it was actually banned.

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[asujbl]

I sort of respect how much Stefon Diggs does not give a #@#@#@#@ about his career anymore

[packman80]

I sort of respect how much Stefon Diggs does not give a #@#@#@#@ about his career anymore

Soon as that video came out if I was the NFL I am sending Diggs a text saying you have been selected for a random drug test please show up today at such and such to take the test.

[blackvodka]

Only a wide receiver.

At least he showed up for OTAs.

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[2010GBPackers]

To be clear on the "Tush Push" vote, the Packers were used as a vessel by the NFL, which wanted to see it banned. The Packers don't give a sh!t whether it is banned or not, but Goodell convinced Mark Murphy to submit the resolution. This is for two reasons:

1. The Packers have no owner. There will be no blowback to any one individual since the Packers are essentially run by a management team, and the head of team, the President....see #2

2. Mark Murphy is retiring due to the Packers' mandatory age 70 requirement to do so. So if folks around the league get super pissed at Murphy for bringing this up for a vote, he's gone in 2 months. Now there's no one to be mad at.

Guys, the NFL wanted this gone. They got close, and I'm betting next time they'll have the votes.

[oldgoldy97]

So he could care?

Don’t talk grammar with a Packer fan.

[jmarascojr]

I sort of respect how much Stefon Diggs does not give a #@#@#@#@ about his career anymore

OTAs for a team who's best case scenario is a 7 seed in the playoffs

OR

Party on a boat with Cardi B and a bunch of video sloots...

:flex::flex::flex:

[asujbl]

OTAs for a team who's best case scenario is a 7 seed in the playoffs

OR

Party on a boat with Cardi B and a bunch of video sloots...

:flex::flex::flex:

I feel like you don't know the story...

OTA's have nothing to do with it

[majestik101]

Clearly it was a bag of pink pop rocks that Diggs gave to the blonde skank after she called him daddy.

I don't see what the problem is

[Jaysabz]

Not trying to be salacious... I'd like to say thank you to Kenny Pickett for your time in Philly, you were a class guy, stepped in when we needed you, and played well through a lot of pain on your way to helping the Eagles secure their second Super Bowl win. Plus you got to take snaps in a Super Bowl!

But on the Eagles subreddit, it seems Pickett took some shots at Steelers Nation today:

During the Browns‘ OTAs, Pickett expressed his gratitude for the Eagles‘ organization but took a subtle jab at the Steelers, the team that picked him during the 2022 NFL draft.

“I’m extremely grateful for my time in Philly,” Pickett said on Wednesday.

“I think I was just shown how it’s supposed to be done, really, from the top down. So when you get a chance to see what it’s supposed to look like and how it should look on a day-to-day basis, not just on Sundays. You know, I think it’ll pay dividends for me in the future.”

[asujbl]

Not trying to be salacious... I'd like to say thank you to Kenny Pickett for your time in Philly, you were a class guy, stepped in when we needed you, and played well through a lot of pain on your way to helping the Eagles secure their second Super Bowl win. Plus you got to take snaps in a Super Bowl!

But on the Eagles subreddit, it seems Pickett took some shots at Steelers Nation today:

During the Browns‘ OTAs, Pickett expressed his gratitude for the Eagles‘ organization but took a subtle jab at the Steelers, the team that picked him during the 2022 NFL draft.

“I’m extremely grateful for my time in Philly,” Pickett said on Wednesday.

“I think I was just shown how it’s supposed to be done, really, from the top down. So when you get a chance to see what it’s supposed to look like and how it should look on a day-to-day basis, not just on Sundays. You know, I think it’ll pay dividends for me in the future.”

Echoing what Terry Bradshaw said

[21Pittsburgh58]

Steelers are not in a good place right now in so many ways.

Very frustrating

[Grid]

Packers HC and GM have said they could care less about Tush Push. NFL pushed Murphy into it he's retiring so why should he care if it makes him look bad.


To be clear on the "Tush Push" vote, the Packers were used as a vessel by the NFL, which wanted to see it banned. The Packers don't give a sh!t whether it is banned or not, but Goodell convinced Mark Murphy to submit the resolution. This is for two reasons:

1. The Packers have no owner. There will be no blowback to any one individual since the Packers are essentially run by a management team, and the head of team, the President....see #2

2. Mark Murphy is retiring due to the Packers' mandatory age 70 requirement to do so. So if folks around the league get super pissed at Murphy for bringing this up for a vote, he's gone in 2 months. Now there's no one to be mad at.

Guys, the NFL wanted this gone. They got close, and I'm betting next time they'll have the votes.

The Packer backers are all worked up over this I see. Everyone knows it makes their organization look soft for wanting it banned.

Packer Fans, yes we put it up for vote. But we didn't want to, they made us. But we still did it cause we are soft.

[hairysasquatch]

The Packer backers are all worked up over this I see. Everyone knows it makes their organization look soft for wanting it banned.

Packer Fans, yes we put it up for vote. But we didn't want to, they made us. But we still did it cause we are soft.

Grid's capacity for deflection knows no bounds. Yes, the Packers brought it up for a vote, but they were joined in their "softness" by the Vikes and, to no one's surprise - Da Bearss! :doh:

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/tush-push-ban-vote-eagles/

Keep on keepin' on, Griddy! ;)

[Jaysabz]

Grid's capacity for deflection knows no bounds. Yes, the Packers brought it up for a vote, but they were joined in their "softness" by the Vikes and, to no one's surprise - Da Bearss! :doh:

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/tush-push-ban-vote-eagles/

Keep on keepin' on, Griddy! ;)

Pretty badass that the Lions voted no on the ban, being a favorite in the NFC and playing the Eagles head-to-head this year.

My cousin married into a Lions household and lives in Detroit now. Her husband, a lifelong Lions fan, wants to come to the Lions / Eagles game in Philadelphia this year.

I told him probably best he didn't wear a Lions jersey to the game, but he said he's worn Lions gear at all the NFC North Division opponents' stadiums and never had any problems but for verbal sparring. But the Lions / Eagles is a 8:20pm start. The later the start, the rowdier the crowd, generally. I still have time to talk him out of it...

[Grid]

Grid's capacity for deflection knows no bounds. Yes, the Packers brought it up for a vote, but they were joined in their "softness" by the Vikes and, to no one's surprise - Da Bearss! :doh:

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/tush-push-ban-vote-eagles/

Keep on keepin' on, Griddy! ;)

What is there to deflect? 22 teams voted with the Packers. The Packers were the one that had issue with it, and put it up for vote.

It isnt like the Bears suggested it. But keep trying! Just like the Lions have for 60 years to make a super bowl!

[Siberian13]

Pretty badass that the Lions voted no on the ban, being a favorite in the NFC and playing the Eagles head-to-head this year.

My cousin married into a Lions household and lives in Detroit now. Her husband, a lifelong Lions fan, wants to come to the Lions / Eagles game in Philadelphia this year.

I told him probably best he didn't wear a Lions jersey to the game, but he said he's worn Lions gear at all the NFC North Division opponents' stadiums and never had any problems but for verbal sparring. But the Lions / Eagles is a 8:20pm start. The later the start, the rowdier the crowd, generally. I still have time to talk him out of it...

Yeah they the #1 worst fans. Obviously not all of them. Pretty sad adults can’t wear a jersey to support their team at an away game