Anyone else getting Panini totally certified?

[boombaby_rm31]

I havent seen cards like these for a while(in basketball). the design reminds me a lot of black diamond/fleer metal pmg cards back then in the 90's which is good. it looks promising... anyone else getting this?


http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac187/pacer_pan/3%20-%20Hotlinks%20-%20etc/gcitc12.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac187/pacer_pan/3%20-%20Hotlinks%20-%20etc/gcitc11.jpg


On the Production Floor: 2011 Donruss Elite Football, 2010-11 Totally Certified Basketball The Official Panini America Blog (http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/on-the-production-floor-2011-donruss-elite-football-2010-11-totally-certified-basketball/)

[freethrowtommy]

Definitely getting some 90s vibe from these... we shall see how Panini does.

[UltimateDeron]

Looks like a copy off the PMG's from the 90's except instead of being /10 they will be /10,000.

[joan1173]

Eh... I hope it isnt like the pinnacle hockey they just put out! That product was HORRIBLE!!!

[oshmeehan]

Some of this stuff will sell pretty well.

Its got some obscure players in the product and those video cards will me making their debut in this

[alexlazarevich]

I'm busting 6 cases of it. Really looking forward to it. With 6 hits per box, two of them auto's, at the price today it's $18 per hit. That is a very decent price for a box of cards, considering Absolute is about $34 per hit and Gold Standard is at near $40 per hit. In addition to the hits, there's all the #'d parallels with different colors.

If Panini's sell sheet is accurate to what actually comes out the boxes, this is going to be a fun break, and won't be a kick in the gonads $-wise.

[49erFan]

I'm busting 6 cases of it. Really looking forward to it. With 6 hits per box, two of them auto's, at the price today it's $18 per hit. That is a very decent price for a box of cards, considering Absolute is about $34 per hit and Gold Standard is at near $40 per hit. In addition to the hits, there's all the #'d parallels with different colors.

If Panini's sell sheet is accurate to what actually comes out the boxes, this is going to be a fun break, and won't be a kick in the gonads $-wise.

Good luck with the break Alex, if you get any warriors from those 6 cases, I'll gladly buy them from you. :)!

As for me, I'm staying away from this. Panini doesn't know what the definition of GUARANTEE is and has completely screwed up basketball with all of their recent product. However, I'll keep my eye on breaks and if it looks like it doesn't require lube for you to open, then I'll get some boxes.

[boxbreaker88]

wow these are nice I will be going for the shawn marion rainbow

[boombaby_rm31]

this will surely look good on my 4 page album. cant wait!

[dead][ead]

I have my doubts but definitely like the design more than their past BKB products. I'll most likely get a couple boxes and hopefully get in on some group breaks.

[boombaby_rm31]

B The Official Panini America Blog (http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/qc-check-exploring-the-enchanting-effects-of-2010-11-totally-certified-basketball/b-124/)


http://paniniamerica.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tcqc2.jpg

[leeex1]

I imagine the parallels will have different colored backgrounds? Might be very sought after.


Looks nice to me ! On card as well !

[dead][ead]

hrmm.... not bad at all
http://paniniamerica.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tcqc27.jpg

[GoClips!]

Those look really nice with the on-card auto and die-cut design. I pre-ordered a box of this months ago, but looks like I might have to grab another one or two!

[cruiserdaddy7]

How does Panini continue to line you suckers up for more of their garbage that releases after the season? Pre-season, season, post season it doesnt matter. Every Panini product this year has been a dud, this will follow as well. This isnt the 90's releases with Jordan in it boys, this is a current release and BASKETBALL PARALLELS DONT SELL!

[J-FIELDS23]

Cool, thanks for your insight cruiser!!

These cards look nice and can't wait to see some of if busted!

[jp98]

How does Panini continue to line you suckers up for more of their garbage that releases after the season? Pre-season, season, post season it doesnt matter. Every Panini product this year has been a dud, this will follow as well. This isnt the 90's releases with Jordan in it boys, this is a current release and BASKETBALL PARALLELS DONT SELL!

Haha, you've got to be kidding right? I guess you are the only one that doesn't like this product if not.:eek:

[oldgoldy97]

Yeah. It's much better to drop $150 on a box of SP. You have a chance at Jordan or Lebron there. And if you don't pull them there is pretty much nothing else remotely worth even getting 10% of your money back. If this rookie class would have been better then I doubt there would be all the Panini hate. It's not their fault this class sucked.

[vdubnub]

How does Panini continue to line you suckers up for more of their garbage that releases after the season? Pre-season, season, post season it doesnt matter. Every Panini product this year has been a dud, this will follow as well. This isnt the 90's releases with Jordan in it boys, this is a current release and BASKETBALL PARALLELS DONT SELL!

Agreed 100%. Kids and sheep are the only ones buying this Panini crap.

[dead][ead]

Agreed 100%. Kids and sheep are the only ones buying this Panini crap.
Are you two just referring to busting boxes/cases? So you're not gonna pick up any singles of this? Not gonna make a griffin rainbow for your own enjoyment? Why must everything be about $$$? I thought this was a "Hobby". If you collect cards at all I can't see why you wouldn't want to get some PC items out of this. If someone doesn't break these then there would be no singles to buy/trade for. No reason to ridicule those that will provide for others by taking their gamble. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that busting any box is a gamble. I don't rely on cards to make a living so maybe I have a different perspective from you elite free-thinkers who are going to trump this industry and make it big.

[SportsItUpCards]

PMG Greens... AND Blues!!! lol

Not bad at all, looks really good. The RC look is awesome!

[J-FIELDS23]

Agreed 100%. Kids and sheep are the only ones buying this Panini crap.

Guess all my customers are sheeps, lol, because I have maybe 2-3 kid customers and A LOT of "sheeps" :eek:

[WallYall]

Fields, are you gonna get any of these in? and pm me with the release date and price. I am highly interested.

[boombaby_rm31]

those rookie patches are really sweet

[GoClips!]

Well, I know I'm neither a kid nor a sheep, and I think the cards look fantastic. I've been disappointed all year with Panini's products(Loved most of them last year, and no it's not just the rookie class), but I am honestly excited for this one :)!

[oldgoldy97]

Agreed 100%. Kids and sheep are the only ones buying this Panini crap.

Nice avatar.

[PackAttack419]

for the rookies, def diggin the on-card autos (or even if sticker, i am simply happy that they gave the autograph its own space as opposed to having ink blend with the players jersey). IMO the diecuts were better last year. the wall looks nice, but the turner diecut looks odd with the patch. i have one of these cards from last year:

09 Certified DIRK NOWITZKI Team Jumbo Prime Patch #3/10 | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/09-Certified-DIRK-NOWITZKI-Team-Jumbo-Prime-Patch-3-10-/320713893507?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item4aac09a683)

[cruiserdaddy7]

I will be sure to bump this thread once this product drops in a price and the low numbered parallels dont even hit $1. Some people on this board felt Timeless Treasures and Limited were sure winners but I didnt rub that one into your face. Keep buying this Panini stuff and we will have to put up with them longer. Same with hockey Panini products. Pinnacle was a joke, and they followed it by just as a big a dud with Contenders by short printing only the good players and having TERRIBLE collation. Make your rainbows and enjoy, it certainly wont take alot of money and nobody is going to care 5-10 years from now. And yes J-Fields, this stuff stinks even though your customers are buying this stuff. Anyone care to name a good product Panini has had this year from a sealed product standpoint? It all has dropped and is dropping. $18 a hit for this stuff? Enjoy those single color jerseys and patches. Leaf Limited basketball parallels /24 dont sell so why will these with some numbered higher?

[armyatc22]

I'm sorry but Panini does have an answer to not having Jordan or Lebron "choke" James they are called Logomen and UD will never have them again

End of my 2 cents

[Fraser9698]

Cruiserdaddy has a really odd obsession and hate with Panini.

Probably find Hackler chopped up in his freezer one day in the near future.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Cruiserdaddy has a really odd obsession and hate with Panini.

Probably find Hackler chopped up in his freezer one day in the near future.

Yes I do have a disgust towards Panini and as a paying customer I have a right to be. Timeless Basketball, Limited Basketball, Absolute Basketball, Contenders hockey, Limited hockey, Pinnacle hockey. 2-3 cases EACH of all those products and a continuous beating. Yes, it took that long to learn my lesson. I see a thread like this and its like watching you guys line up in front of a train named Panini. People keep getting run over by this company including myself. No more for this guy. And for the guy who posted "logomen" as being Paninis answer, dont you think many of their products dont have the logoman cards in them? What about those duds?

[49erFan]

Hearing some whispers that this could come out this week. Haven't seen anything official though.

[PackAttack419]

i was on the fence about it and i just saw the new gallery for this stuff , and it convinced me to not buy any boxes, just singles. if that.

[patschwen40]

You are a fool Cruiser for buying case after case...thats my 10 cents

[cruiserdaddy7]

You are a fool Cruiser for buying case after case...thats my 10 cents

I appreciate that. Really adds alot to this thread. Im a collector of cards, and unfortunately in basketball Panini is the only thing. Am I fool for liking to open cards and collect cards? Add me to the list of many! As I say on here repeatedly, I like to feel like there is good VALUE in a product. I dont have to make money at it, just have a chance at some nice cards and see the product hold value. I feel sorry for the people buying this product.

Thanks for the insult.

[alexlazarevich]

I think many of cruiserdaddy7's criticisms of Panini are correct. Some of the releases this year are terrible. And when Panini advertises 4 hits per box, and then many boxes pull only 1-2 hits, that is false advertising, and terrible for collectors who shell out cash for these boxes and cases.

I also busted many Panini NBA cases this season, but I've had a little more luck than cruiserdaddy7. I busted Donruss and Prestige, and both those releases had good value coming out of it. I made a profit on both. But other than that, every Panini NBA product this year has been a 25-40% loss of value once you open the case.

However, I don't come to the same conclusion that cruiserdaddy7 does. I don't think a boycott of Panini would work at all, too many people want to buy it. And I don't think trolling the boards bashing Panini is going to work either. People just turn on the ignore setting. Rather, I think measured and detailed criticisms are what convince people, including Panini.

I think Panini is learning from their mistakes and they are improving. Totally Certified claims 6 hits per box. The price per hit comes to $17 per hit, that is very inexpensive for a mid range release. Absolute, for comparison, had a price per hit in the $30's! Panini is also trying to get more on card auto's. That is very cool of them. I think it shows they are listening to the collectors complaints and trying to improve.

I think Totally Certified, then Gold Standard, and then NT, those releases with be real interesting. Panini really needs to have a winner with 2 out of those 3. If they bomb on all of them, it could mean real trouble. But I'm hoping for winners with all 3.

[coolz]

I appreciate that. Really adds alot to this thread. Im a collector of cards, and unfortunately in basketball Panini is the only thing. Am I fool for liking to open cards and collect cards? Add me to the list of many! As I say on here repeatedly, I like to feel like there is good VALUE in a product. I dont have to make money at it, just have a chance at some nice cards and see the product hold value. I feel sorry for the people buying this product.

Thanks for the insult.

don't worry about him man...
he always made that kind of comments

[oshmeehan]

This stuff shipped out yesterday and/or today according to Panini, so perhaps we will start seeing it pop up in the next day or two?

[49erFan]

This stuff shipped out yesterday and/or today according to Panini, so perhaps we will start seeing it pop up in the next day or two?

I guess it is coming out a week earlier.

[alexlazarevich]

I asked my supplier (major internet reseller) this morning and he still thought it was due next week. But maybe it's on the way to him now? If he does get it early, he'll tell me ASAP, and then I will post about it here.

[Cheken]

I was really looking into buying a case of this stuff cause that busting ich is kicking in. Then i realize the new rookie class may kick in soon.. I may wait out till later in the year because the hype on the new rookie class will probably give you the biggest chance in minimizing the lost in busting cases. Most of the McDonald rookie autos for some of these new comers have bring in pretty good $.

[49erFan]

I was really looking into buying a case of this stuff cause that busting ich is kicking in. Then i realize the new rookie class may kick in soon.. I may wait out till later in the year because the hype on the new rookie class will probably give you the biggest chance in minimizing the lost in busting cases. Most of the McDonald rookie autos for some of these new comers have bring in pretty good $.

Where do the McDonalds rookie autos come out of?

[PacersFan]

the Wall and Turner rookies look incredible imo...I like the base design too. It will be interesting to see how well this product goes over with the customers with Panini trying to bring back some of the famous 90's designs and giving them an update. I know I need some stuff from my Pacers out of this product that I will be going after.

[Cheken]

Where do the McDonalds rookie autos come out of?

Look at this piece for kemba lol - SP?

Topps McDonald's All American Auto Kemba Walker BOBCATS - eBay (item 190549012352 end time Jun-28-11 18:46:01 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190549012352&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT)

You can get quite a few combined 09/10 class for that price and thats with jennings/holiday/derozan and still pay less than the walker.

[cruiserdaddy7]

I think many of cruiserdaddy7's criticisms of Panini are correct. Some of the releases this year are terrible. And when Panini advertises 4 hits per box, and then many boxes pull only 1-2 hits, that is false advertising, and terrible for collectors who shell out cash for these boxes and cases.

I also busted many Panini NBA cases this season, but I've had a little more luck than cruiserdaddy7. I busted Donruss and Prestige, and both those releases had good value coming out of it. I made a profit on both. But other than that, every Panini NBA product this year has been a 25-40% loss of value once you open the case.

However, I don't come to the same conclusion that cruiserdaddy7 does. I don't think a boycott of Panini would work at all, too many people want to buy it. And I don't think trolling the boards bashing Panini is going to work either. People just turn on the ignore setting. Rather, I think measured and detailed criticisms are what convince people, including Panini.

I think Panini is learning from their mistakes and they are improving. Totally Certified claims 6 hits per box. The price per hit comes to $17 per hit, that is very inexpensive for a mid range release. Absolute, for comparison, had a price per hit in the $30's! Panini is also trying to get more on card auto's. That is very cool of them. I think it shows they are listening to the collectors complaints and trying to improve.

I think Totally Certified, then Gold Standard, and then NT, those releases with be real interesting. Panini really needs to have a winner with 2 out of those 3. If they bomb on all of them, it could mean real trouble. But I'm hoping for winners with all 3.

Trolling the boards bashing Panini? I would hardly call my 8-10 posts about Panini trolling. Also, I provide reasoning behind what I think which includes experience with spending money on the product. I dont think that would really be trolling. I also had to ask myself why I am spending money with a company when we have firm PROOF they held back the BEST cards from their products and gave them away to another board member. Between making junk to begin with and then holding out the best cards, enough was enough. A few of the product I had ordered well ahead of time and had to buy or Id have been done with Panini much sooner. Ill be curious to see your results with this break, but if you think $17 a hit is a good price point I think you are going to be in for a letdown.

[alexlazarevich]

Trolling the boards bashing Panini? I would hardly call my 8-10 posts about Panini trolling. Also, I provide reasoning behind what I think which includes experience with spending money on the product. I dont think that would really be trolling. I also had to ask myself why I am spending money with a company when we have firm PROOF they held back the BEST cards from their products and gave them away to another board member. Between making junk to begin with and then holding out the best cards, enough was enough. A few of the product I had ordered well ahead of time and had to buy or Id have been done with Panini much sooner. Ill be curious to see your results with this break, but if you think $17 a hit is a good price point I think you are going to be in for a letdown.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that you were the troll, rather I was talking about other posts from other members. But I see now my post does suggest that I'm calling you a troll. So just to be clear, I'm not calling you a troll cruiserdaddy7, I actually agree with many of your points.

[49erFan]

Edit. double post.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that you were the troll, rather I was talking about other posts from other members. But I see now my post does suggest that I'm calling you a troll. So just to be clear, I'm not calling you a troll cruiserdaddy7, I actually agree with many of your points.

I appreciate you clarifying. I agree sometimes, as seen by the guy who called me stupid or something like that in this thread, people criticize without much to offer. I have spent alot of money on Panini stuff and had high hopes for their company but its been bad lately. They obviously cant be trusted with the cards they gave mswift and even without that they have been making terrible products. With hockey products, UD sells FAR better than Panini. Sp Authentic singles and Contenders singles are a prime example, and Contenders was a higher dollar product. I hope everyone does well on Certified, but I have no faith in Panini. I would love for them to start making quality products again and see some big hits actually pulled instead of the company giving them away and no inserting them.

[boombaby_rm31]

here it is being packed!

YouTube - ‪A Special Edition of Panini America's "On the Production Line"‬‏ (http://youtu.be/sqeoG0n3ZKY?t=2m23s)

[GoClips!]

here it is being packed!

YouTube - ‪A Special Edition of Panini America's "On the Production Line"‬‏ (http://youtu.be/sqeoG0n3ZKY?t=2m23s)

That's one cool video right there! Neat to see the cards getting wrappered. I hope that lady's fingernails don't jack-up any of the cards, though :p

[Cje0817]

Looks like a lot of cards would get messed up during that process

[lingling1955]

opened some

YouTube - ‪2010/2011 Panini Totally Certified Basketball Recap Box Break‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA_ZrsfH-YQ)

[cruiserdaddy7]

Exactly as bad as I thought it would be.

[lingling1955]

i collect patches and GU cards...so i didnt mind too much...but from a collector POV...parallels were my gripe with panini..and this product pushes that to a limit...

quality is better..but i have to let everyone know and this may not be true for everyone...but out of the 15 cases opened so far..... close to 25 packs have missing hits...thats either 1 or 25 new cases for panini...

http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad80/johnjillmorrell/scan0001.jpg

http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad80/johnjillmorrell/scan0002.jpg

[rudyjustinfarrell]

i collect patches and GU cards...so i didnt mind too much...but from a collector POV...parallels were my gripe with panini..and this product pushes that to a limit...

quality is better..but i have to let everyone know and this may not be true for everyone...but out of the 15 cases opened so far..... close to 25 packs have missing hits...thats either 1 or 25 new cases for panini...

saw your thread and watched your youtube vid. looks like a cross between zenith (with it's duffex) and some older ruby/emerald parallel. i'd like to see one of the cards in hand, but i probably won't bust any. i do like the on card autos though.

[cruiserdaddy7]

After seeing whats been available as a sample Im not sure why I have taken such a beating in threads for saying this product would stink. No offense to Alex but him thinking this stuff figured at $17 a hit would be a good thing is kinda crazy. If this stuff winds up missing hits consistently, it will be even worse. This product COULD have been good had Panini not tried yet again to maximize profit with absolutely no regard for the consumer. Another Panini fail.

[vikingfan101]

Looks like garbage, I will definitely take a pass on this product. The product looks like there trying to make it appeal to kids but giving it the price tag that only adults can afford. I will certainly pass on paying $120 to get six scrub jersey/autos. Panini buying out Donruss has turned out to be quite a nightmare.

[natbornkiller]

cause it is a foil based parallel set with tooo many color variations and is not chrome based like its predecessor 15 years ago (see baseball football and hockey around 1997)
what this product should be called is totally duflexed (or nuflex)

http://cgi.ebay.com/CAL-RIPKEN-JR-1997-TOTALLY-CERTIFIED-PLATINUM-GOLD-30-/200618372740?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2eb5c96e84

[cruiserdaddy7]

I want to know where everyone went who was defending this product.....

[lingling1955]

Perhaps I will echo alot that has been said...which leads me to believe that nothing will happen in term of Panini. What is going on now is what happened with UD...overproduction, not honoring redemptions, non existent customer service, but Panini has a harder time just because it IS the monopoly in the NBA Trading Card scene, AND last years rookie class didnt help its cause much. I believe 25% of ppl made gripes with the Bread company just bc 80% of the lottery picks sell below 20 bucks. This isnt panini's fault and while alot of the players/autos are trash, give them credit for including players for the benefit of collectors who collect teams or whatever. And in terms of hits, we get more hits in Panini.

now I am not defending them, at one point at the start of the year till march, I had 135 redemptions with them, and since its been narrowed down to around 50-60 plus...

do i agree with all their business decisions? like employing only 2-3 customer service reps, overproduction of products or putting in undrafted players? no..but they just follow the trend bc look at ppl like lagarette blount or whatever....in a sense, Panini caters to the collector.

how could they improve?

1. Better Designs. (btw, due to the NFL/NBA/NHL demanding huge bucks to produce cards, Panini has to break even, make their company profitable while paying licenses...so give them a break)

2. More emphasis on value and collectability (i.e. dont ruin parallels)

3. Support US job growth and hire a few fresh grads from college to take care of customer service while learning new skills in sales and customer relationship, they can become a leader in this sort of thing.

this is all gibberish so sorry....but i can support the haters and the non haters here....but at the end of the day, live with it...we complained when UD was doing this and Topps was overproducing, now its combined into 1, but its not like they are totally ripping us off..

[GoClips!]

I'm still excited to open the one box I ordered, but definitely not as excited. I didn't think the numbering would be so stupidly high. I guess I should've known better...

[alexlazarevich]

After seeing whats been available as a sample Im not sure why I have taken such a beating in threads for saying this product would stink. No offense to Alex but him thinking this stuff figured at $17 a hit would be a good thing is kinda crazy. If this stuff winds up missing hits consistently, it will be even worse. This product COULD have been good had Panini not tried yet again to maximize profit with absolutely no regard for the consumer. Another Panini fail.

I'm still here and watching this thread with interest. I agree that the few pack breaks don't look good and the missing hits are disturbing. I think the main difference between you (cruiserdaddy7) and I is I'm still willing to take a risk on Panini's NBA products.

For those that are reading this thread and seeing my name come up in a negative manner, I would hope you'd read my posts and come to your own conclusion as to my sanity and reputation. I always try to be the best eBay seller I can be, regardless if a product is a financial success for me or not. I really enjoy busting cases and selling on eBay. I'm good at it. And I try to treat all buyers the same way I want to be treated as a buyer: cool cards, fair prices, fast & safe shipping, no BS. I'd much prefer to have financial success with every break, but that just isn't possible. MLB sells much better than NBA right now, that is just a fact. But it doesn't stop me from trying NBA products, at least for now.

Good luck everyone.

[boombaby_rm31]

so is it out now in north america?

[Qwasian]

basketball is just a tough sale in any aspect, baseball & football seem to do better in my opinion, basketball just lacks the interest, especially with a lockout next season and the season being over for the year. I think the cards look pretty cool, but they might be tough to move....

I was strictly basketball for a long time, but I have moved over to baseball & football, and I have to say that the products are much better.....it's alot more fun to have a variety, oddly I don't like that panini football products, prestige/threads etc..... they were easily the worst of my breaks.

[oldgoldy97]

I'll be trying some. On card autos is a plus. And I agree with Qwasian. Basketball is a tough sport to collect with such a lackluster rookie class and the lack of value. In a few years when this class becomes more established (Wall, Turner, Cousins, Johnson, Monroe, Favors, probably some other surprises) I could see a run on products from this year. Remember how Topps Signature was blasted when it came out in 08-09? Boxes dropped to around $80? Now you're lucky to find it for less than twice that much. Same for Murad, Fleer, Skybox, etc from that year, pretty much due to one player getting super hot.
Sorry, cruiserdaddy, some of us are nightowls and some are early birds. Can't always be on to "defend" Panini.

[cruiserdaddy7]

I'm still here and watching this thread with interest. I agree that the few pack breaks don't look good and the missing hits are disturbing. I think the main difference between you (cruiserdaddy7) and I is I'm still willing to take a risk on Panini's NBA products.

For those that are reading this thread and seeing my name come up in a negative manner, I would hope you'd read my posts and come to your own conclusion as to my sanity and reputation. I always try to be the best eBay seller I can be, regardless if a product is a financial success for me or not. I really enjoy busting cases and selling on eBay. I'm good at it. And I try to treat all buyers the same way I want to be treated as a buyer: cool cards, fair prices, fast & safe shipping, no BS. I'd much prefer to have financial success with every break, but that just isn't possible. MLB sells much better than NBA right now, that is just a fact. But it doesn't stop me from trying NBA products, at least for now.

Good luck everyone.

To Alex and anyone else,
I am certainly not attacking your reputation as a seller. I dont think anyone would even take it that way simply based on us not agreeing about a card product or card manufacturer. I will certainly agree the difference between us is that you are still willing to take a risk and buy Panini products. I think in time and after this product and Gold Standard ( I believe you said you are opening 6 cases of each) you will lose more trust in Panini. As I have said before I certainly dont root against anyone doing well with these products, but I certainly wish people wouldnt continue to give Panini so much business considering it is fueling their business model of no customer service and terrible value in products and card designs that look the same. Its just a simple product/manufacturer debate Alex, not any attack towards your credibility.

[49erFan]

Totally not getting this product.

[boombaby_rm31]

cards are now showing up on ebay

[cj52racers]

I believe 25% of ppl made gripes with the Bread company just bc 80% of the lottery picks sell below 20 bucks. This isnt panini's fault and while alot of the players/autos are trash, give them credit for including players for the benefit of collectors who collect teams or whatever. And in terms of hits, we get more hits in Panini.



This would be true if their products were good in hockey this year (which had a great rookie class). But they were not, UD stuff outsold them by miles because the products were garbage. Every single release looks the same and the designs are not only similar but just don't look good. So yes, in basketball the poor draft class hurts them, but the garbage cards hurt them worse. Everything just feels, cheap.

[thekiddfan]

The parallels and inserts are just a waste of paper.

[jayjay0122]

How is this stuff $100 a box? lol. There's going to be a lot of damage on these cards with those foils edges.

[Frankp2311]

How is this stuff $100 a box? lol. There's going to be a lot of damage on these cards with those foils edges.

Yep. Seen this in every scan so far. Messed up edges.

[got_Sheed?]

some cards are already on ebay.is this Product out since today? i want to see some breaks :)

[boombaby_rm31]

omg so many unknown rookies

[WallYall]

So I am going to guess that John Wall's auto prices are going to drop. The new Certified RC auto of his has a print run of 599. Also I noticed that after the 10th pick, all the rookies are redemtions. Not real happy about this.

[gompfjc]

What would happen with Panini's basketball card business if the NBA went bankrupt?

[coolz]

What would happen with Panini's basketball card business if the NBA went bankrupt?

Going downhill i guess LOL

What if some new investors / billionaires decided to make a new League and hire top players? hohoho

[canuhandle23]

i agree with cruiser this is a disgrace. All rookies after the 10th pick are redemptions. Also missing hits happen way to much in their products. Dont get me wrong the weak rookie class didnt help them any and I also agree that NBA when the rookies are on fire no sports can touch it. 03-04 08-09 etc. Since NBA can get alot of overseas buyers and the players become the face of the team more so than the other big 4.

They need better customer service, cut down the redemptions in half. make the redemptions of things people wouldnt mind waiting for like lithos of other players besides kobe ( they do have durant, irving, griffin, evans. and many other players exclusively. Or autograph shoes, or game used jersey, headbands of some of the lesser players. Or create a card from these list of players,

They also need to cut there products down and maybe create one product that is vet and legend heavy. No rookies try something different.

Also if someone has bought into gold standard exit that ship quickly sell your product quickly. That product will kill people Im sorry to say.

[Orangejello727]

i agree with cruiser this is a disgrace. All rookies after the 10th pick are redemptions. Also missing hits happen way to much in their products. Dont get me wrong the weak rookie class didnt help them any and I also agree that NBA when the rookies are on fire no sports can touch it. 03-04 08-09 etc. Since NBA can get alot of overseas buyers and the players become the face of the team more so than the other big 4.

They need better customer service, cut down the redemptions in half. make the redemptions of things people wouldnt mind waiting for like lithos of other players besides kobe ( they do have durant, irving, griffin, evans. and many other players exclusively. Or autograph shoes, or game used jersey, headbands of some of the lesser players. Or create a card from these list of players,

They also need to cut there products down and maybe create one product that is vet and legend heavy. No rookies try something different.

Also if someone has bought into gold standard exit that ship quickly sell your product quickly. That product will kill people Im sorry to say.

I think if you took a mix of what you talk about should be done, it could really lead to the solution.

If they cut down on different brands and focus only on a few, then there would be more focus on no redemptions as less cards are needed to be hard signed.

I also believe in cutting down the number of so called hits in a box. Less GU, less Autos. Base cards and tough paralells. Aim it back towards true collectors and not case crackers. But in a internet defined world, its virtually impossible to go back to early trading days of the 80s and 90s.


Also if someone has bought into gold standard exit that ship quickly sell your product quickly. That product will kill people Im sorry to say

I think if people exit this product and not crack it, itll actually become that much more of a successful product.

[oshmeehan]

Seriously do some of you even bother researching the products before you blabber your mouth about them???

Its fine if you don't like the designs or players used in the product, but don't go spouting out BS that is completely false about products.

Out of 35 Rookie Auto's in the product, there are a grand total of 4 that are redemptions....31 are live.

Wesley Johnson
Ed Davis
Patrick Patterson
Dexter Pittman

Those are your ONLY redemptions out of the "every draft pick after 10th is a redemption". Two of those guys being Top 10 picks and the other 2 not.

Just unbelievable some of the blatantly false statements that people write to try to turn people off of a product

[canuhandle23]

i stand corrected. but i also just did research and then are freaking ton of redemptions and even HRX cards are redemptions.

Sorry the product sucks. too many redemption and you can buy the rookie auto set for under 340 it seems

[mnvikingstwins]

Great job scaring alexlazarevich away

[oshmeehan]

i stand corrected. but i also just did research and then are freaking ton of redemptions and even HRX cards are redemptions.

Sorry the product sucks. too many redemption and you can buy the rookie auto set for under 340 it seems

There actually are hardly any redemptions in the product

And I would guess that the HRX cards are redemptions cause it would be far to easy to pack search as those cards alone are thicker than the contents of a normal pack

[canuhandle23]

well i guess are definition of hardly any redemptions are different

durant, kobe, griffin, parker, westbrook are a few and those are some pretty big names in terms of this product..

[oshmeehan]

well i guess are definition of hardly any redemptions are different

durant, kobe, griffin, parker, westbrook are a few and those are some pretty big names in terms of this product..

I guess we'll agree to disagree

[WallYall]

I stand corrected on the redemptions

[pac213up]

basketball is just a tough sale in any aspect, baseball & football seem to do better in my opinion, basketball just lacks the interest, especially with a lockout next season and the season being over for the year. I think the cards look pretty cool, but they might be tough to move....

I was strictly basketball for a long time, but I have moved over to baseball & football, and I have to say that the products are much better.....it's alot more fun to have a variety, oddly I don't like that panini football products, prestige/threads etc..... they were easily the worst of my breaks.

Basketball products have never been a good rip and flip investment. Every once in while a product comes along that is profitable from that end. On the flip side years with strong rookie classes perform very well if you can afford to sit on boxes/cases for years.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Great job scaring alexlazarevich away

Wish we could scare you away. Educate yourself before you spout off. I contacted Alex through his blog to ask what had happened. He had a couple of reasons for leaving the board TEMPORARILY and they were nothing to do with what people said. Time and a personal issue, so dont speak before you know what you are talking about.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Redemptions are one thing but rarely come up in my arguments. How about missing hits, overproduced product, terrible resale value and terrible design to name ONLY A FEW. Non-existent customer service is another that comes to mind. Its getting worse and worse and Im happy to see fewer and fewer defending this company. The people who lined up for this one leave disappointed again and now they are already lining up for National Treasures. Trust me, Panini is licking their chops knowing they have a high end dud to finish us off, I mean finish the year off.

[sblez]

Where are the box breaks of this stuff? I haven't seen anything on youtube or here besides the one recap and the box with only jerseys.

[PackAttack419]

even with yet another failure from panini, im still somewhat tempted to try some gold standard. i def want some NT, but have not yet decided between 2 boxes or 4 boxes (aka 1 case). last year's NT was delicious but not only is this year's rookie class weaker, but also panini's quality has just been unacceptable siigh

[ab0]

I will be sure to bump this thread once this product drops in a price and the low numbered parallels dont even hit $1. Some people on this board felt Timeless Treasures and Limited were sure winners but I didnt rub that one into your face. Keep buying this Panini stuff and we will have to put up with them longer. Same with hockey Panini products. Pinnacle was a joke, and they followed it by just as a big a dud with Contenders by short printing only the good players and having TERRIBLE collation. Make your rainbows and enjoy, it certainly wont take alot of money and nobody is going to care 5-10 years from now. And yes J-Fields, this stuff stinks even though your customers are buying this stuff. Anyone care to name a good product Panini has had this year from a sealed product standpoint? It all has dropped and is dropping. $18 a hit for this stuff? Enjoy those single color jerseys and patches. Leaf Limited basketball parallels /24 dont sell so why will these with some numbered higher?

I've had good re-sell on Panini Update.

[cruiserdaddy7]

I've had good re-sell on Panini Update.

LOL my post got deleted. Let me try this again since it appears someone cried to a mod because I said they were bad for steering their customers towards totally certified. The point you are making about getting good resale on Panini Update plays right into what I said. If you notice above I said THIS YEARS products, nothing about 09-10 Panini Update. It isnt a 2010-11 product.