Any idea on the value of this card?

[rhigh2390]

All comments welcome. Will be selling, but didn't know the value. Its a 99-00 UD Game Jersey GJ61 Century Club Jersey. I know Beckett says its value is $120 but the last one like this sold for $150 and it was just a piece of jersey, this is a nice 3 color patch.

[Rare23air83]

With that patch and if the condition is Mint... I'd say more than $200 easy. Shaquille cards are quite hot right now. I'd post it up with a $350 BIN and see what type of offers you'd get. Good luck!

[rhigh2390]

Pretty funny you say $350 bc I put it up for that price with a best offer option. Thanks!

[hairyangryfella]

My concern is that it says Century Club Game JERSEY and it's a patch piece. I've seen the Century jerseys, I've seen the regular patch cards. I've not seen a Century Patch, or a card labelled as jersey but with a patch, unless it's a fake...

[rhigh2390]

There are alot of jersey card sets that have multi colored jerseys or patches that only say game jersey. But thank you for your oppinion. Usually when patches are fake, they put some crazy patch like a lakers logo or something.

[tristan20]

Should be a jersey as hairyangryfella said.

There are a ton with fake patches

[rhigh2390]

Thank you both for your input.

[Igman7]

The card has 100% been altered to include the patch. There was NO crossover in early jersey cards. Every single one that contained a patch was on a PATCH card by Upper Deck.

[forgiven1]

My thoughts exactly......The patch is most likely a fake....sorry!

[rhigh2390]

So is it worth nothing or what?

[Rare23air83]

The card has 100% been altered to include the patch. There was NO crossover in early jersey cards. Every single one that contained a patch was on a PATCH card by Upper Deck.

Whoah that's very interesting. I had no idea early UD Jersey cards never included a patch.

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Is that a faked card then?! I've seen the 1997-98 UD Jersey Auto Jordan have some color/patch in them. I would really like to know as I was planning to bid strongly on that. If that's a fake patch and PSA graded it being "altered," that's horrible.

[forgiven1]

Whoah that's very interesting. I had no idea early UD Jersey cards never included a patch.

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Is that a faked card then?! I've seen the 1997-98 UD Jersey Auto Jordan have some color/patch in them. I would really like to know as I was planning to bid strongly on that. If that's a fake patch and PSA graded it being "altered," that's horrible.

I believe that card is suspect as well..At least i think i remember reading that somewhere on one of the forums...

[rhigh2390]

I am with you RareAir. I have seen a bunch of Upper deck jerseys that include patches that aren't altered. They can have their oppinion but I just don't agree with them.

[forgiven1]

I am with you RareAir. I have seen a bunch of Upper deck jerseys that include patches that aren't altered. They can have their oppinion but I just don't agree with them.

Really? Oh, thats right your the guy selling it!....LOL!:D

[tristan20]

UD Never game patches out like they do now.

If it says Jersey it pretty much was, the multicolored ones are usually jersey cards that had prints like some Barkley and the Jordan all star prints. Those were legit.

The crazy patches that weren't labeled Patch were 99% of the time faked.

But who knows

[rhigh2390]

We are all able to have an oppinion. I don't mind if people don't agree with my oppinion, but don't jump all over me just because I don't agree with yours.

[forgiven1]

We are all able to have an oppinion. I don't mind if people don't agree with my oppinion, but don't jump all over me just because I don't agree with yours.

sorry......

[Rare23air83]

Damn. Hmm... now I'm real curious if that Logoman Jordan jersey is real or fake. I was planning to bid strongly on that too. Now I'm a bit scared to even participate.

[hairyangryfella]

I am with you RareAir. I have seen a bunch of Upper deck jerseys that include patches that aren't altered. They can have their oppinion but I just don't agree with them.

There was one Jordan GJ with the bottom part of a logoman in it that brought on huge debate. Now there is PWCC's top part of a logoman. The logoman patches in both cards are not the same size (I believe there is a thread on HK with a post of the two pics showing this) so at least one, if not both, is fake.
97-98 Game Jerseys may have had some screen printed patches (Camby and Hill as example) but generally any other JERSEY set has not contained any PATCH.
You can believe what you want, but bear in mind if there is this much debate/questioning, then clearly it's not going to be as easy to sell as you thought it might.

[Rare23air83]

There was one Jordan GJ with the bottom part of a logoman in it that brought on huge debate. Now there is PWCC's top part of a logoman. The logoman patches in both cards are not the same size (I believe there is a thread on HK with a post of the two pics showing this) so at least one, if not both, is fake.
97-98 Game Jerseys may have had some screen printed patches (Camby and Hill as example) but generally any other JERSEY set has not contained any PATCH.
You can believe what you want, but bear in mind if there is this much debate/questioning, then clearly it's not going to be as easy to sell as you thought it might.

WOW. Thanks for the info. I am staying away from that card. Too much of a risk. PSA is horrible for grading it.

[rhigh2390]

I will probably end up listing it as a .99 auction and just see how much it goes for.

[CP3toOKC]

PSA grades the card not the patch. Same discussion regarding the BGS AUTHENTIC grading. Many people think the blue label on the graded BGS case makes their patch authentic, but BGS doesn't grade the patch, only the card or the autograph itself.

[rhigh2390]

Still though, obviously not everyone is convinced UD didnt make patch cards that didnt say patch on them if that Jordan is already at $4,000.

[hairyangryfella]

Still though, obviously not everyone is convinced UD didnt make patch cards that didnt say patch on them if that Jordan is already at $4,000.

You're missing the other point, that seller always gets mega prices...

[Igman7]

I am with you RareAir. I have seen a bunch of Upper deck jerseys that include patches that aren't altered. They can have their oppinion but I just don't agree with them.

Perhaps in recent years but NEVER on the early stuff. As a person who has been dealing in sports cards for several year before the very first jerseys hit the market, I can amn near guarantee that your card has been altered.

While the Jordan All Star Jersey cards (as well as a few others) did include some multi-colored pieces because of screened-on graphics, there were never ones with sewn on patches that ended up on jersey cards. Back in those days, PATCH cards were something like 1:7,500 packs.

[Rare23air83]

Well good luck either way. Sucks if it is altered, but I guess nothing is 100%.

[rhigh2390]

Well there are 20 bidders already on it. You think he knows all 20 of them?

[Rare23air83]

PWCC does get really high final sales, but alot of collectors are attracted to his auctions. He lists some REAL heavy hitter cards and has 100% guarantee. It's wrong to say he's a fake seller because I've seen LOTS and LOTS of his consigned cards goto collectors I know.

[Igman7]

Still though, obviously not everyone is convinced UD didnt make patch cards that didnt say patch on them if that Jordan is already at $4,000.

There are also lots of people who came to the hobby later on and do not know that they are bidding on a cards that is likely altered.

[rhigh2390]

lol alright. Theres a better chance of my patch being real than there being 20 people that all came to the hobby later and that are willing to spend that, but thanks for your comments

[hairyangryfella]

Here's what I was talking about...

Some people are either blind or stupid or both.


http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy148/hairyangryfella/MJlogomanhalves.jpg

[Rare23air83]

I wonder which one is fake. Or even both.

[hairyangryfella]

I wonder which one is fake. Or even both.

One's graded by PSA, one graded Authentic by BGS. We all know Beckett are pretty corrupt but I'd honestly say both of these are likely fake. For what it's worth, I'd guess that PWCC's is the more likely to be real, it just has that old-style logoman look to it. However it has come about 2nd, and the logomans are split in pretty much the perfect place, so somebody must have seen the other if they were faking them/it...

[Igman7]

Most likely that both are fake.

[CP3toOKC]

One's graded by PSA, one graded Authentic by BGS. We all know Beckett are pretty corrupt but I'd honestly say both of these are likely fake. For what it's worth, I'd guess that PWCC's is the more likely to be real, it just has that old-style logoman look to it. However it has come about 2nd, and the logomans are split in pretty much the perfect place, so somebody must have seen the other if they were faking them/it...

The BGs "Authentic" grading does not grade the patch, stated earlier in my previous post

[hairyangryfella]

The BGs "Authentic" grading does not grade the patch, stated earlier in my previous post

And we're aware of that

[XARZY]

Im still waiting to see what the so called proof is that there was a logoman in this set. Someone a while back had mentioned that on the original promosheet from UD for this set, a picture of a logoman had been included. The PWCC copy does not have damange surrounding the patch window but whats the stuff on the bottom in the black border? Glue? = Fake. I do agree that the logoman design is consistent with the logomans of the era.

The 1st copy sold has that white on the black border around the patch window, maybe the logoman stuck to the border with the glue and ripped off a little surface when pulling it off?

And lastly. Did anyone notice the incredibly ridiculous amount of 1/1jordans PWCC has in this week?

[paul06901]

The card has 100% been altered to include the patch. There was NO crossover in early jersey cards. Every single one that contained a patch was on a PATCH card by Upper Deck.

+1000000
The patch is faked, no question

[paul06901]

lol alright. Theres a better chance of my patch being real than there being 20 people that all came to the hobby later and that are willing to spend that, but thanks for your comments

Take your fake patch off eBay, we all told you that it's fake!:rolleyes:

I'm not sure why you are arguing the opinions of many long-time and knowledgeable collectors here?

It's not even a question, it's 1000000% fake and you are selling an altered card.

Put your pride aside and accept what is true.

[brentus777]

yeah ive followed the 97-98 Game jerseys for years and never seen a patch, plenty of different colour screen prints but no patch. And why would it be that the only half logoman/s we have seen in this set has been Michael Jordan? lol what no kerry kittles logoman?

[Igman7]

Item has been reported as a fake...beware buyers!

[chipmaster]

Both Jordans and the Shaq= all three fakes

rhigh2390 - seriously, everyone who chimed in has probably collected these cards while you were in elementary school. THIS IS THE PLACE to get advice. NO PLACE beats Blowoutcards for information - NO PLACE.

[hche]

The Shaq that is showing is in this set: 1999-00 Upper Deck Game Jerseys Century Club | Beckett.com (http://www.beckett.com/basketball/1999-00/upper-deck-game-jerseys-century-club/)

They are all hand numbered to 100 with no patches (they do have multi color jerseys)


The patch should be this set: 1999-00 Upper Deck Game Jerseys Patch | Beckett.com (http://www.beckett.com/basketball/1999-00/upper-deck-game-jerseys-patch/)

All patch cards has card number starting with GJP and the card itself is not serial numbered.

A sample Jordan patch: http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=46061&lotNo=10301


I highly doubt Upper Deck will make a separate Patch set and then put a patch into the Game Jersey Shaq.

[Igman7]

I am suprised that the auction is still up (I guess others have not filed reports on it). You certainly hay have bought it thinking it was legit, now that you know the FACTS about the situation you have a few choices:

1. Pull the auction and keep it in your PC.
2. State in the auction that the patch was added AFTER the card was released.
3. Keep the auction going as/is and pass that fake junk on to some unknowing sucker.

Keep in mind that what you do with is may very well effect how this collecting community thinks of you.

[rhigh2390]

I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.

[forgiven1]

Wow!.....Some people have no morals!:o

[SPauthentic84]

I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.

hahah post of the day award

[rhigh2390]

SPAuthentic- is that supporting me or making fun? lol

[hairyangryfella]

I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.

The problem is that the value is heavily influenced by the fact that the patch is likely fake. And since you've been informed of this you are being irresponsible by continuing to try to sell it, without informing people. The community is trying to defend the hobby and that's why everyone's up on this.
As soon as you get rid of it then it becomes someone else's to take advantage of people with (as I experienced with the Lebron fake patch I sold that the guy said he'd never sell, or would clearly state it was likely fake, then ended up selling it as real). Morals are going out the window in this hobby and people here are concerned.

[Igman7]

I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.

OK, so we don't have to wait to see that you are a theiving jack-load. :)!

You want to know the value of a hand made patch card? $0.00 It no longer contains the original game used jersey that made it valuable...it aslo is now nor EVER will be an authentic PATCH card.

I refuse to "respect the fact" that you are pimping an obvious fake and nobody should have the right to sell it. Oh for the good old days when UD gave a shiat and would have the auction pulled themselves.

If you are worried about people being rude to you, maybe you should worry about somehting called ethics, junior.

[drob50]

I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.

I wonder if used car salesmen take this approach when they come across a car without working brakes?

"I'm not making them buy it! It is their fault if they don't notice it until they are heading for a cliff edge"

[rhigh2390]

Did anyone email PWCC to tell him his Jordan patch is fake and that if he has any character at all, he will end the auction and put it in his pc??

[Igman7]

I don't know him and he didn't start a thread to talk up his fake crap like you. :)!

[rhigh2390]

I didn't start it up bragging about how sweet of a card it was. I got it in a lot and I simply asked the value on it. Poeple could say they don't think it's real but good luck with it, but instead they make it out like I'm purposely trying to rip someone off. Even you so called "experts" have never seen a patch in this set before, doesn't mean that it is impossible for it to be real. If it's fake, why would they put that part of a patch on it instead of a laker logo or something greater than just a corner of a letter or number. I've never seen fake patches that aren't spectacular like an all star patch or a logo. If someone was going to alter it, why choose something that isn't going to add to the value that much. Any smart guy would put some crazy unbelievable patch so people would think its a 1/1. I'm not doing anything immoral or wrong by selling it. People on here can say it's fake if they want but just because they haven't seen it doesnt mean its fake.

[forgiven1]

Do the right thing!.....Treat others the way you would like to be treated!.......Thats all!

[drob50]

I didn't start it up bragging about how sweet of a card it was. I got it in a lot and I simply asked the value on it. Poeple could say they don't think it's real but good luck with it, but instead they make it out like I'm purposely trying to rip someone off. Even you so called "experts" have never seen a patch in this set before, doesn't mean that it is impossible for it to be real. If it's fake, why would they put that part of a patch on it instead of a laker logo or something greater than just a corner of a letter or number. I've never seen fake patches that aren't spectacular like an all star patch or a logo. If someone was going to alter it, why choose something that isn't going to add to the value that much. Any smart guy would put some crazy unbelievable patch so people would think its a 1/1. I'm not doing anything immoral or wrong by selling it. People on here can say it's fake if they want but just because they haven't seen it doesnt mean its fake.

People may choose to use a less than perfect patch so that people think "If it's fake, why would they put that part of a patch on it instead of a laker logo or something greater than just a corner of a letter or number"

[hairyangryfella]

I didn't start it up bragging about how sweet of a card it was. I got it in a lot and I simply asked the value on it. Poeple could say they don't think it's real but good luck with it, but instead they make it out like I'm purposely trying to rip someone off. Even you so called "experts" have never seen a patch in this set before, doesn't mean that it is impossible for it to be real. If it's fake, why would they put that part of a patch on it instead of a laker logo or something greater than just a corner of a letter or number. I've never seen fake patches that aren't spectacular like an all star patch or a logo. If someone was going to alter it, why choose something that isn't going to add to the value that much. Any smart guy would put some crazy unbelievable patch so people would think its a 1/1. I'm not doing anything immoral or wrong by selling it. People on here can say it's fake if they want but just because they haven't seen it doesnt mean its fake.

Mate, most people offered their pretty educated opinions. You have since chosen to continue trying to sell it, which is a bit immoral.
Why do fakers put patches in at all? It supposedly ads to the appeal. So if you've got what's supposed to be a jersey that has a patch (albeit nothing spectacular) that still makes it more desirable than a jersey, no? And the more ridiculous the patch the more obvious it is that it's fake. Pretty self explanatory really.
Good luck with the card. Just don't sell it as legit when you know (now) it's almost certainly not.

[paul06901]

I didn't start it up bragging about how sweet of a card it was. I got it in a lot and I simply asked the value on it. Poeple could say they don't think it's real but good luck with it, but instead they make it out like I'm purposely trying to rip someone off. Even you so called "experts" have never seen a patch in this set before, doesn't mean that it is impossible for it to be real. If it's fake, why would they put that part of a patch on it instead of a laker logo or something greater than just a corner of a letter or number. I've never seen fake patches that aren't spectacular like an all star patch or a logo. If someone was going to alter it, why choose something that isn't going to add to the value that much. Any smart guy would put some crazy unbelievable patch so people would think its a 1/1. I'm not doing anything immoral or wrong by selling it. People on here can say it's fake if they want but just because they haven't seen it doesnt mean its fake.


I'm sorry man but it is literally 100% IMPOSSIBLE for that patch to be real. Like literally, no chance ever possible. ZERO PERCENT CHANCE AT BEING THE AUTHENTIC PATCH IN THE CARD.


It's not even speculation, the set did NOT contain ANY patch cards...period.

Yes, it's your card to do whatever you want with.

But honestly, stop hoping there's a chance it's not faked!

I don't want to sound rude, but you keep reacting stubborn. Regardless of what your thread intentions were, this is a hobby community with intent to BETTER the hobby. And you're selling a POSITIVELY FAKED PATCH card. No doubt that's not going to go over well, especially when you keep trying to argue the fact against the heavy knowledge of collectors here.

[Igman7]

I didn't start it up bragging about how sweet of a card it was. I got it in a lot and I simply asked the value on it. Poeple could say they don't think it's real but good luck with it, but instead they make it out like I'm purposely trying to rip someone off. Even you so called "experts" have never seen a patch in this set before, doesn't mean that it is impossible for it to be real. If it's fake, why would they put that part of a patch on it instead of a laker logo or something greater than just a corner of a letter or number. I've never seen fake patches that aren't spectacular like an all star patch or a logo. If someone was going to alter it, why choose something that isn't going to add to the value that much. Any smart guy would put some crazy unbelievable patch so people would think its a 1/1. I'm not doing anything immoral or wrong by selling it. People on here can say it's fake if they want but just because they haven't seen it doesnt mean its fake.

If the highlighted is true, it is because you have not been in the hobby long enough. Back in the early days of patches, this one would have been considered SICK. 1999 was the very first year that patches were used at all (starting with 99 FB then 99-00 BB) and they were inserted into very specific PATCH sets that were extremely hard to pull and about twice as thick as a jersey...so no chance in hell that it is real.

You state that you just got the card in...if that is the case, I would return it ASAP as it is indeed altered.

[blackbears86]

[QUOTE=rhigh2390;2612387]I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.[/QUOT


Put yourself in the prospective buyers shoes: would you buy this card if you thought it was fake? (or even thought it could be fake?) The people on this board are trying to help you. Would you rather sell this card, have it returned because of questioned authenticity by the buyer and get negative feedback?

No one on these boards are "experts" but they do have some damn good knowledge of sports cards. Otherwise, why did you post this topic in the first place?

[chipmaster]

No one on these boards are "experts" but they do have some damn good knowledge of sports cards. Otherwise, why did you post this topic in the first place?

I would beg to differ with you on that. There are quite a few "experts" here, you just have to know where they're hiding.

[t2554]

I'm not making anyone buy it, so why do I need to take it off just because people don't think it's real??? I simply asked for a value. Respect the fact that it's not your card and someone can buy it if they want to. I'm not making anyone buy it. If no one wants it or thinks ot fake or whatever else, then dont look at it or buy it. I don't know why people on here are so rude sometimes. I only asked for a value. I didn't ask for anyone to tell me what to do with it.
So by that logic it would be okay to sell fake Nike shoes on ebay as authentic, because even if the buyer can't tell they're fake (with no disclaimer of being fake), no one is forcing him to buy them.

This many people have told you there were no patches in this set yet you still want to justify selling it just so you can make money off of it. You are what's wrong with this world. Listing has been reported.

[blackbears86]

I would beg to differ with you on that. There are quite a few "experts" here, you just have to know where they're hiding.


I've found a few!:)!

[forgiven1]

Well looks like he sold the card anyways......Some people are just so desperate for money and have no morals!.....Make sure to add "mjcollector90" to the list of scamming fake patch sellers!

[hairyangryfella]

Well looks like he sold the card anyways......Some people are just so desperate for money and have no morals!.....Make sure to add "mjcollector90" to the list of scamming fake patch sellers!

Jeezus... Some poor sap paid $280 for that?

On top of his morals with selling, he's also a lowballer with bad buying ethics. He tried to buy my Julius Erving Inscriptions auto telling me it was only worth about $85 stating that "the ones that are out there usually sell for somewhere around there" - then when he sold his ones he was asking $200+ - so he knew and was just trying to take advantage of me. A real winner this guy is.

[Fraser9698]

...and every one of his listings that has a regular jersey piece contains "patch" in it.

[hairyangryfella]

...and every one of his listings that has a regular jersey piece contains "patch" in it.

..and to top it off, he's possibly shilling with 9***l (126)

So he's knowingly selling a questionable patch, keyword spamming, possibly shilling and is also a lowballer. What a great member :mad:

[rhigh2390]

You guys are messed up. I don't know how you think I am possibly shilling with whoever that is. My cards dont sell for crazy high prices! And I'm sick of you guys throwing a fit like 5 year olds over nothing. I didn't do anything wrong and I don't do anything wrong with my cards. Hairyangryfella, I didn't know what that erving was going for because there wasn't one in the completed listings. I was going off of some of his other autos numbered to 25. I didn't lowball you to try to rip you off. And Fraser9698, do you just go through ebay and email sellers and tell them how to do their title for their listings so you like it???? You guys need to get a life. I've collected since I was a kid and I would not rip people off. You all need to get over it. And everyone stop saying its my fault for starting the thread because as everyone can clearly see, I simply asked for the value of the card. I didnt ask for everyone to be complete jerks. I'm fine with people thinking its fake or whatever else they want to think about it, but grow up and stop telling what to sell, if I should sell it, how much I should sell it for, how I should write my title, how many days I need to put it on for, what buy it now price I should make, what words should be capitalized, if I should have a return policy, what color font I need to have in the description, and whatever else you think of. Have consideration for people by giving your opinion and being ok if someone doesnt agree with you.

[hairyangryfella]

You guys are messed up. I don't know how you think I am possibly shilling with whoever that is. My cards dont sell for crazy high prices! And I'm sick of you guys throwing a fit like 5 year olds over nothing. I didn't do anything wrong and I don't do anything wrong with my cards. Hairyangryfella, I didn't know what that erving was going for because there wasn't one in the completed listings. I was going off of some of his other autos numbered to 25. I didn't lowball you to try to rip you off. And Fraser9698, do you just go through ebay and email sellers and tell them how to do their title for their listings so you like it???? You guys need to get a life. I've collected since I was a kid and I would not rip people off. You all need to get over it. And everyone stop saying its my fault for starting the thread because as everyone can clearly see, I simply asked for the value of the card. I didnt ask for everyone to be complete jerks. I'm fine with people thinking its fake or whatever else they want to think about it, but grow up and stop telling what to sell, if I should sell it, how much I should sell it for, how I should write my title, how many days I need to put it on for, what buy it now price I should make, what words should be capitalized, if I should have a return policy, what color font I need to have in the description, and whatever else you think of. Have consideration for people by giving your opinion and being ok if someone doesnt agree with you.

a) the possible shilling. Looking through your completed listings the same cards appear more than once. And the winner of 3 of those had almost 50% activity with you.

b) the Erving. Regardless of completed listings, you knew how much you'd paid for your others or what they were worth, hence why you were asking $200 for them. So now you're just trying to cover your lowballing with BS.

c) this is not about difference of opinion or how you should list your auctions, this is about having morals and clearly you have none.

[rhigh2390]

The only time I had to relist cards was when buyers didnt pay or they were international bidders and didn't want to pay for registered mail because they thought it was too much. And yes it is about difference of opinion because none of you "experts" know for a fact that the patch is fake and you think that just because you dont like it, it should't be sold. And other guys are complaining because of "jersey patch" instead of just "jersey." Ya, it's obvious I have no morals and I'm a spammer because I use jersey patch instead of just jersey. Do you email every seller on ebay when they put jersey when its actually a shooting shirt or warmup??? Quit being so judgemental about dumb stuff like that and move on with your life. If thats all you are doing in your day is looking on ebay to point out sellers errors, then you need to get a real life and realize there are more important things going on in the world that something stupid like this.

[forgiven1]

You aint foolin no one!

[rhigh2390]

I'm not trying to fool anyone

[hairyangryfella]

The only time I had to relist cards was when buyers didnt pay or they were international bidders and didn't want to pay for registered mail because they thought it was too much. And yes it is about difference of opinion because none of you "experts" know for a fact that the patch is fake and you think that just because you dont like it, it should't be sold. And other guys are complaining because of "jersey patch" instead of just "jersey." Ya, it's obvious I have no morals and I'm a spammer because I use jersey patch instead of just jersey. Do you email every seller on ebay when they put jersey when its actually a shooting shirt or warmup??? Quit being so judgemental about dumb stuff like that and move on with your life. If thats all you are doing in your day is looking on ebay to point out sellers errors, then you need to get a real life and realize there are more important things going on in the world that something stupid like this.

But this isn't just about ebay. This is about a member of the forum we belong to acting shady and having no morals. People like you give places like this a bad name.

[rhigh2390]

Ya. Ask people on here that I've dealt with if they ever had any trouble with me. Most of them are "experts" as you guys would call them and are pretty well known on here. Ask them if I've ever ripped them off or been shady with them.

[drob50]

I agree.... it is not proven to be fake!!!

OP - Wanna buy a Kobe Dual Tag Patch Auto??
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/Admiraldrob50/For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/KobeLimitedAuto-25-1.jpg

[t2554]

I agree.... it is not proven to be fake!!!

OP - Wanna buy a Kobe Dual Tag Patch Auto??
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/Admiraldrob50/For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/KobeLimitedAuto-25-1.jpg
omg I gotta have that :eek: But I only have $2k PayPal so I know I can't afford it...

[PackAttack419]

I agree.... it is not proven to be fake!!!

OP - Wanna buy a Kobe Dual Tag Patch Auto??
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee386/Admiraldrob50/For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/KobeLimitedAuto-25-1.jpg

lol nicely done

[forgiven1]

total scumbag!