2012 Bowman Platinum, is it worth it?

[the1runt]

Blowout is listing a 6 box case for $514. This seems like a great price. After looking over the checklist though, there wasn't much that really caught my eye, except that Billy Hamilton, the speedy Reds prospect I have the pleasure of watching here in Bakersfield, is among those on the checklist. There also doesn't appear to be any Darvish, base or auto, though I'm sure he could be added. I really like the look of last years Platinum and was just curious if you seasoned collectors think the money risked is worth it.

[soxfanintx]

Blowout is listing a 6 box case for $514. This seems like a great price. After looking over the checklist though, there wasn't much that really caught my eye, except that Billy Hamilton, the speedy Reds prospect I have the pleasure of watching here in Bakersfield, is among those on the checklist. There also doesn't appear to be any Darvish, base or auto, though I'm sure he could be added. I really like the look of last years Platinum and was just curious if you seasoned collectors think the money risked is worth it.

Granted I think the checklist is better this year, but I got absolutely HOSED on a case last year. Killed. Screwed. Whatever you want to say. And I know I wasn't the only one. Worst case I ever bought.

Not sure if its fair to compare with this year, but the whole thing has scared me away from Platinum for a long, long time.

[cruiserdaddy7]

I bought 3 cases of 2011 and the return was around 30%. A brutal product after they completely changed the checklist right when it released. It was a real bait and switch. Ill never buy Platinum again.

[IamRalpho]

I am not even a fan of this checklist, I will probably buy a case but I wont have high hopes after last years disaster.

[YanksBillsFan]

Very cautious after last year's offering. I'll hold off until I see some results. Of course I'll risk missing out on a good price if the product is good.

[danimal875]

All I have to say is I have a 2011 red refractor auto of Tyler Skaggs, his ONLY Bowman auto Rc so far #'d out of 10 and I can't get $200 for a top pitching prospect. Platinum SUCKS.. nobody pays what the cards are worth. If you need the rush of getting "hits" you might as well open some unlicensed Panini product where you at lead have a shot at pulling patches of Hall of Famers.

[Ajax1723]

Definetly not, Bowman Platinum, even with good names, hardly sells. Wouldn't be surprised if this product gets replaced by something else in 2013.

[matt6822]

I have a question, were you suppose to send in anything else with the wrappers? I just sent in one Jumbo box of wrappers, nothing else. Lol. I got out of work late in the afternoon and was trying to make it to the post office in time on the day of release to mail out the wrappers. I just sent them in a box with nothing else. Just my return address and name on the outside of the box as usual.

[nuccionino]

I have a question, were you suppose to send in anything else with the wrappers? I just sent in one Jumbo box of wrappers, nothing else. Lol. I got out of work late in the afternoon and was trying to make it to the post office in time on the day of release to mail out the wrappers. I just sent them in a box with nothing else. Just my return address and name on the outside of the box as usual.

What? :confused:

[Ajax1723]

I have a question, were you suppose to send in anything else with the wrappers? I just sent in one Jumbo box of wrappers, nothing else. Lol. I got out of work late in the afternoon and was trying to make it to the post office in time on the day of release to mail out the wrappers. I just sent them in a box with nothing else. Just my return address and name on the outside of the box as usual.

Wrong thread.

[matt6822]

Yeah wrong thread. Sorry about that. I will post it in the right thread now. Thanks

[NonFlammable]

2010 was pretty solid as far as autos... Autograph Relic Cards included guys like Strasburg, Heyward, Castro; and some decent prospects like Cole, Springer, Jackie Bradley Jr, Sonny Gray etc. The refractor auto checklist was nice too: Trout, Sano, Goldschmidt, Chapman, Montero, etc.

2011 was absolutely horrible. Unless they change the checklist before release I think 2012 might be good.

Autograph Relics
1 Per Hobby Box

AR-BH Bryce Harper
AR-MT Mike Trout
AR-GC Gerrit Cole
AR-DH Danny Hultzen
AR-PG Paul Goldschmidt
AR-BL Brett Lawrie
AR-MA Matt Adams
AR-MH Matt Harvey
AR-JP Joe Panik
AR-EH Eric Hosmer
AR-JW Jered Weaver
AR-FH Felix Hernandez
AR-NC Nelson Cruz
AR-MM Matt Moore
AR-JM Jesus Montero
AR-CG Carlos Gonzalez
AR-DP Dustin Pedroia
AR-SC Starlin Castro
AR-DU Dan Uggla
AR-AG Adrian Gonzalez
AR-RZ Ryan Zimmerman

Autograph Prospects
2 Per Hobby Box

AP-BS Bubba Starling
AP-GC Gerrit Cole
AP-DH Danny Hultzen
AP-TB Trevor Bauer
AP-AR Anthony Rendon
AP-DB Dylan Bundy
AP-MW Mike Wright
AP-LM Levi Michael
AP-GP Guillermo Pimentel
AP-MM Mikie Mahtook
AP-JT Joe Terdoslavich
AP-MP Matt Purke
+Up to 35 Total Players+

Purely Platinum Autographs
Metal Cards - Serial Numbered 1/1

PP-CK Clayton Kershaw
PP-JV Justin Verlander
PP-BS Bubba Starling
PP-MM Matt Moore
PP-JM Jesus Montero
PP-NC Nelson Cruz
PP-BL Brett Lawrie
PP-EH Eric Hosmer
PP-RZ Ryan Zimmerman
PP-GC Gerrit Cole
PP-DH Danny Hultzen
PP-TB Trevor Bauer
PP-DP Dustin Pedroia
PP-FH Felix Hernandez
PP-AG Adrian Gonzalez
PP-MC Miguel Cabrera
PP-JB Jose Bautista
PP-RC Robinson Cano
PP-AP Albert Pujols
PP-PF Prince Fielder
PP-MT Mike Trout
PP-BH Bryce Harper
PP-BP Buster Posey
PP-EL Evan Longoria
PP-CJ Chipper Jones


Bowman Black Autographs
Serial Numbered /25

BB-KW Kolten Wong
BB-MA Matt Adams
BB-TJ Tommy Joseph
BB-DS Drew Smyly
BB-GS George Springer
BB-CC C.J. Cron
BB-JF Jose Fernandez
BB-TJ Taylor Jungmann
BB-TA Tyler Anderson
BB-JB Jed Bradley
BB-LM Levi Michael
BB-MM Mikie Mahtook\
+More TBA+

[pigeonsbaseball]

I think this is a make or break year for Platinum. Cautiously optimistic for sure. I think a lot of people may feel the same way and this could be under ordered.

No doubt I agree with "bait and switch" of the checklists. I had one case to sell and one to sell. Luckily I hit a nice Harper on the case I opened and sold the other case right away for a 20% loss. Although if I had been patient it's selling a fair amount over the original price now....

If they actually do this right it could be a really solid product. Lots of potential with Harper and others first relic/auto relic cards could be really nice.

[Riverdome]

I'm still unsure if I should to take a risk with Platinum or with Onyx Prospects. Seriously considering not buying a case of either and just buying 3 boxes of each. :confused:

[ssbledsoe]

If you're busting for fun. Sure, go for it, but don't expect a ton of resale value. Also, as previously noted, don't be surprised if 50%+ of the CL doesn't get switched out when released...

[nephinfan]

Granted I think the checklist is better this year, but I got absolutely HOSED on a case last year. Killed. Screwed. Whatever you want to say. And I know I wasn't the only one. Worst case I ever bought.

Not sure if its fair to compare with this year, but the whole thing has scared me away from Platinum for a long, long time.

Everything said here, is exactly my feeling as well. I got completely robbed last year with my case. No return value whatsoever. It was absolutely horrible. So much so that I couldn't even enjoy opening the cards after I was half way through.

[solt0131]

If you're busting for fun. Sure, go for it, but don't expect a ton of resale value. Also, as previously noted, don't be surprised if 50%+ of the CL doesn't get switched out when released...

Any word or sighting of a final checklist????

[marl1220]

As a collector who collects alot of base (I know I'm in the minority here) I find it really annoying that there's no Harper in this release (base). It's the same crap they pulled with Prospects and Draft last year.

[cceedfw]

Someone in the box busting section just pulled a 2012 Bowman Platinum Harper. Appears he did make it into the Base set.

[Zacky1053]

Unless they change the checklist before release I think 2012 might be good.

Autograph Relics
1 Per Hobby Box

AR-BH Bryce Harper
AR-MT Mike Trout
AR-GC Gerrit Cole
AR-DH Danny Hultzen
AR-PG Paul Goldschmidt
AR-BL Brett Lawrie
AR-MA Matt Adams
AR-MH Matt Harvey
AR-JP Joe Panik
AR-EH Eric Hosmer
AR-JW Jered Weaver
AR-FH Felix Hernandez
AR-NC Nelson Cruz
AR-MM Matt Moore
AR-JM Jesus Montero
AR-CG Carlos Gonzalez
AR-DP Dustin Pedroia
AR-SC Starlin Castro
AR-DU Dan Uggla
AR-AG Adrian Gonzalez
AR-RZ Ryan Zimmerman

That looks waaay too good to be true.

That or the cards will be numbered to like 2000 killing a lot of the card's value.

[Ajax1723]

That looks waaay too good to be true.

That or the cards will be numbered to like 2000 killing a lot of the card's value.

This.

There are only 22 names on that list. That would mean every two cases, if printed the same, you would get one of each.

There literally would probably be 2000 of each card. They will be adding other names, or the cards will be worth 40 bucks for a Trout relic auto, since there are so many of them.

They were 740 in 2010, and as high as 1166 last year. That obviously didn't work. Either they will add more names, or 5 million parallels.

[anusinha]

This.

There are only 22 names on that list. That would mean every two cases, if printed the same, you would get one of each.

There literally would probably be 2000 of each card. They will be adding other names, or the cards will be worth 40 bucks for a Trout relic auto, since there are so many of them.

They were 740 in 2010, and as high as 1166 last year. That obviously didn't work. Either they will add more names, or 5 million parallels.

Matt Adams /9999

[Ajax1723]

Matt Adams /9999

Or Dan Uggla /5000, with a Blue Refractor /3000, green /2500, black /1500, red /1000, orange /500, gold /250, purple /200, teal /100, white /25, and superfractor, wood, plates, and canary, plus hope diamond parallels all numbered to 600.

That would do it....right?

[Zacky1053]

Or Dan Uggla /5000, with a Blue Refractor /3000, green /2500, black /1500, red /1000, orange /500, gold /250, purple /200, teal /100, white /25, and superfractor, wood, plates, and canary, plus hope diamond parallels all numbered to 600.

That would do it....right?

Looks like last year's auto jersey checklist was about the same size but obviously the checklist was horrid.

Was it that subset Topps pulled a huge bait and switch on last year (besides the crazy over 1000 serial numbers)?

[Ajax1723]

Looks like last year's auto jersey checklist was about the same size but obviously the checklist was horrid.

Was it that subset Topps pulled a huge bait and switch on last year (besides the crazy over 1000 serial numbers)?

I believe it was one of the subsets yes. Jhan Martinez and such /1166. Nothing has obviously shown up yet, but the numbers just dont match. Either this was HORRIBLY underproudced (I'm talking like only ~1000 cases) or they are horrifically numbered, or third there are extra names not announced there yet.

Because I have a hard time believing names like Harper, Trout and such are going to be numbered more than 500.

[Zacky1053]

I guess the sell sheet now shows "up to" 35 different autograph relics.

So probably 10-13 names not included on the supposedly stacked list and like you said if the better names are short printed it makes a little more sense now.

[darth*winbid*]

If I'm cipherin' this right, at 1 relic auto per box that would mean the total case count for this release is around 828 cases. Assuming there are 35 different auto/relic subjects max. Guaranteed 1 per box and according to the beckett preview article.....

"Over on the signed Relics side, the same parallels will exist — but the most-plentiful cards will be limited to just 199 copies"

Beckett News First Look: 2012 Bowman Platinum baseball (http://www.beckett.com/news/2012/02/first-look-2012-bowman-platinum-baseball/)

So going by the sell sheet that lists relic autos #'d to 199, 50, 25, 5, 1, 1 (plates, maybe 4 total?) that's 284 x 35.

Unless I'm goofing that calculation up, doesn't this imply it was under-produced?

[IamRalpho]

So Topps just said they wont release the final checklist until Wednesday, that is kinda shady...I am getting that feeling we are gonna see another 2011 switch here

[festus]

So Topps just said they wont release the final checklist until Wednesday, that is kinda shady...I am getting that feeling we are gonna see another 2011 switch here

that'd really be something after all the heat they got from 2011 platinum.

[mutigers77]

Hmmm...or maybe they are waiting to surprise us!

[Tylerg30]

Hope not, I just ordered a case lol. Hopefully the checklist is just delayed for the National, not sure. That's why Blowout pulled them off the site.

[ichirorox]

Topps just tweeted a pic of the Harper Patch/Auto. Looks amazing.

[mutigers77]

Topps just tweeted a pic of the Harper Patch/Auto. Looks amazing.

Wow, you aren't kidding.

[wickedliquids]

Last year's BP was the first time for me...and this years looks pretty sharp. But then again, I would purchase because I'm a collector, not really a re-seller. I actually had better luck with BP last year than I did with BDDP and BC, which I guess I can say that I am the anomoly. In fact, I did FAR better with retail (I think many did), as retail BP was unleashing auto's left and right, including the relics/GU.

I'll try BP again this year becuase I think it looks sharper than last year for sure :)!

[cceedfw]

I was late to the game with Bowman Platinum last year. All my real hits came out of retail and they were at 1/2 price thanks to Walmart.

[horton]

I was planning on sitting out on Platinum this year and stocking up on Bowman chrome but after all the pics Topps released today I might buy a few boxes and see if I get lucky just won't order any cases as I keep telling myself chrome is king any idea why auto's sale for less for the platinum and sterling then chrome? when those 2 products cost more?

[go_steelers07]

If I'm cipherin' this right, at 1 relic auto per box that would mean the total case count for this release is around 828 cases. Assuming there are 35 different auto/relic subjects max. Guaranteed 1 per box and according to the beckett preview article.....

"Over on the signed Relics side, the same parallels will exist — but the most-plentiful cards will be limited to just 199 copies"

Beckett News First Look: 2012 Bowman Platinum baseball (http://www.beckett.com/news/2012/02/first-look-2012-bowman-platinum-baseball/)

So going by the sell sheet that lists relic autos #'d to 199, 50, 25, 5, 1, 1 (plates, maybe 4 total?) that's 284 x 35.

Unless I'm goofing that calculation up, doesn't this imply it was under-produced?


the sell sheet only lists the what the parallels are numbered out of............ the base relic autos will be #/700 and probably higher.

[darth*winbid*]

I just thought because of that sentence in the beckett article that #/199 is the highest amount period. I guess I was assuming there would be no base auto/relics.

[MiamiDolfan007]

They used the same picture of Daniel Norris for his autographed card as his Bowman Chrome and AFLAC..we're getting used to that pose by now I guess

[go_steelers07]

I just thought because of that sentence in the beckett article that #/199 is the highest amount period. I guess I was assuming there would be no base auto/relics.

Over on the signed Relics side, the same parallels will exist — but the most-plentiful cards will be limited to just 199 copies. Notables here? Harper and Mike Trout for starters.

the highest numbered parallel will be /199. the word parallel implies that there is a base..... because you need a base to have parallels.

[murphy1313]

I'm in for a 6 box case...... For under $600 I think it's worth the risk.

[Zacky1053]

Looks like except for some of the SP guys the base auto jerseys lack a serial number. Also appears Lawrie is NOT a SP.

Probably a good thing I guess who likes serial numbers above 1000 on autos?:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2012-Bowman-Platinum-Brett-Lawrie-Auto-Relic-Refractor-Autograph-Jersey-RC-/00/s/ODgyWDEwMDA=/$(KGrHqV,!g8E-5kNcR1qBQDfBfm)FQ~~60_12.JPG

[Brian12215]

I'm seeing a good bit of parallels(ruby, emerald, purple, gold, xfractor, refractor, etc) on ebay but not much numbering. Any idea on what is actually a numbered parallel?

[IamRalpho]

The relic autos look awesome, the regular autos eh. I like seeing Derrik Norris there tho.

Getting a little faith now.

[craines27mc]

My thoughts on the product RBI Cards: Examining the '12 Bowman Platinum Checklist: Buy? (http://rbicards.blogspot.com/2012/07/examining-12-bowman-platinum-checklist.html) Count me in as staying away from this.

[fitch123]

My thoughts on the product RBI Cards: Examining the '12 Bowman Platinum Checklist: Buy? (http://rbicards.blogspot.com/2012/07/examining-12-bowman-platinum-checklist.html) Count me in as staying away from this.

you should go check out the new 2 case break in the box breaks section.

Looks pretty damn good to me. I wish I would have bought more than 1 case.

If those are average case breaks, look for the price on this to shoot up by at least 33%

[mutigers77]

If those are average case breaks, look for the price on this to shoot up by at least 33%

I was thinking 34%. :D

[craines27mc]

you should go check out the new 2 case break in the box breaks section.

Looks pretty damn good to me. I wish I would have bought more than 1 case.

If those are average case breaks, look for the price on this to shoot up by at least 33%

Hey, I've been wrong before!:)! IMO if anything Topps will frontload to gain interest in the product since last year's was so bad. It's just not a product I'm a huge fan of. I still think it will be tough to recoup your $ if that's the goal.

[craines27mc]

you should go check out the new 2 case break in the box breaks section.

Looks pretty damn good to me. I wish I would have bought more than 1 case.

If those are average case breaks, look for the price on this to shoot up by at least 33%

Also, a 33% increase would put a 12 box case at $1,655($100 more than an 8 box of Bowman Jumbo). The case breaks are going to have to be really strong for that to happen. Good start, but it will have to be consistent.

[fitch123]

Also, a 33% increase would put a 12 box case at $1,655($100 more than an 8 box of Bowman Jumbo). The case breaks are going to have to be really strong for that to happen. Good start, but it will have to be consistent.

Well cases (when I got them) were $1000 ea or less. I'm figuring 1300-1400.

They've already gone up from pre-order prices.

[craines27mc]

Well cases (when I got them) were $1000 ea or less. I'm figuring 1300-1400.

They've already gone up from pre-order prices.

May very well do so, I was going off current pricing if you didn't get on presales. It doesn't mesh with what I like to collect, so I'd have to see many nice breaks before even considering. Hope your case treats you well.

[fitch123]

May very well do so, I was going off current pricing if you didn't get on presales. It doesn't mesh with what I like to collect, so I'd have to see many nice breaks before even considering. Hope your case treats you well.

Thanks

Hoping for a Harper bat barrel or redemption for his game-used AFL jersey.

:)!

[craines27mc]

Thanks

Hoping for a Harper bat barrel or redemption for his game-used AFL jersey.

:)!

That would be sweet, I'd be interested in either!

[Carrbeaz]

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling this might end up being a VERY good product and the sleeper of the year.

[Ajax1723]

I'm still not sold on Platinum. The value on the cards just isn't high enough. Short term, I think this product settles in a little above pre-order prices (I'm thinking 1100 max for 12 box cases) but in 3 years or so, this product is going to be dirt cheap, because it looks like there are a LOT of redemptions, which tells me they tried their best to avoid switching out star prospects for scrubs, but I don't think I'm a buyer. Did my retail break, I'll get a box or two from my LCS, and wait on Finest, which I think will be 30 times better, for around the same price.

[Qwasian]

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling this might end up being a VERY good product and the sleeper of the year.

I hope not, because if so it's going to be a terrible year.

[jusdukky]

It must be selling pretty well. At one time it was $990 a case and now it's at $1245.

[fitch123]

It must be selling pretty well. At one time it was $990 a case and now it's at $1245.

Yep.


People don't understand how this works. If people order a lot of a product, the checklist becomes watered down because Topps needs to pump out more product to meet orders. No one was into 2012 platinum because of last years quality, and now it is great because it was vastly underordered.

This is what scares me about finest. Last year's was great so I'm sure this years will be heavily ordered, and could be quite watered down.

990 to 1245... Prices on platinum are already up 25%

[Prospect Rush]

Platinum blows.

[fitch123]

Platinum vs Finest vs Sterling :p Which sells for more?

2010 Bowman Platinum refractor Mike Trout rookie AUTO | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Bowman-Platinum-refractor-Mike-Trout-rookie-AUTO-/380455564248?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5894eb33d8)

2011 Finest Rookie Autographs Refractors Mike Trout Angels | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Finest-Rookie-Autographs-Refractors-Mike-Trout-Angels-/251108881750?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3a77417556)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-BOWMAN-STERLING-MIKE-TROUT-BSP-MT-AUTO-RC-ANGELS-/130733437485?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1e7051f22d

[Qwasian]

the breaks just don't look good enough to warrant the price increase....... it's new, but i'ono man, it was already expensive for what it is, that price increase turned me totally off to it. people don't really like platinum base cards much at all outside of first week of release so you gotta count on hits with it..... where as bowman chrome, base, draft etc has singles that sell alot better.

[Prospect Rush]

Finest vs platinum :p

2010 Bowman Platinum refractor Mike Trout rookie AUTO | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Bowman-Platinum-refractor-Mike-Trout-rookie-AUTO-/380455564248?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5894eb33d8)

2011 Finest Rookie Autographs Refractors Mike Trout Angels | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Finest-Rookie-Autographs-Refractors-Mike-Trout-Angels-/251108881750?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3a77417556)

Finest also blows.


:D

[Qwasian]

Platinum vs Finest vs Sterling :p Which sells for more?

2010 Bowman Platinum refractor Mike Trout rookie AUTO | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Bowman-Platinum-refractor-Mike-Trout-rookie-AUTO-/380455564248?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5894eb33d8)

2011 Finest Rookie Autographs Refractors Mike Trout Angels | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Finest-Rookie-Autographs-Refractors-Mike-Trout-Angels-/251108881750?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3a77417556)

2009 BOWMAN STERLING MIKE TROUT BSP-MT AUTO RC ANGELS | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-BOWMAN-STERLING-MIKE-TROUT-BSP-MT-AUTO-RC-ANGELS-/130733437485?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1e7051f22d)



I think the sterling and platinum are harder to find than the finest that's why, alot of people recently were breaking finest to try to get trouts. you can't really go by ebay 100% to know the market all the time, it's a good guide, but stuff sells off base time to time and doesn't make sense.

[fitch123]

the breaks just don't look good enough to warrant the price increase....... it's new, but i'ono man, it was already expensive for what it is, that price increase turned me totally off to it. people don't really like platinum base cards much at all outside of first week of release so you gotta count on hits with it..... where as bowman chrome, base, draft etc has singles that sell alot better.

oh no?

THREE (3) MIKE TROUT 2010 Bowman Platinum Base Rookie Cards RC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/THREE-3-MIKE-TROUT-2010-Bowman-Platinum-Base-Rookie-Cards-RC-/261069061843?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cc8edbed3)


non-numbered parallel:

2010 BOWMAN PLATINUM MIKE TROUT PURPLE REFRACTOR #PP5 ROOKIE #2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-BOWMAN-PLATINUM-MIKE-TROUT-PURPLE-REFRACTOR-PP5-ROOKIE-2-/190701111171?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2c66ac0783)


vs his bowman chrome rc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-2011-Bowman-Chrome-Draft-MIKE-TROUT-Rookie-RC-lot-HOT-Angels-TOP-PROSPECT-/230820128505?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item35bdf3a6f9

[Qwasian]

oh no?

THREE (3) MIKE TROUT 2010 Bowman Platinum Base Rookie Cards RC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/THREE-3-MIKE-TROUT-2010-Bowman-Platinum-Base-Rookie-Cards-RC-/261069061843?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cc8edbed3)


non-numbered parallel:

2010 BOWMAN PLATINUM MIKE TROUT PURPLE REFRACTOR #PP5 ROOKIE #2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-BOWMAN-PLATINUM-MIKE-TROUT-PURPLE-REFRACTOR-PP5-ROOKIE-2-/190701111171?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2c66ac0783)



I see what you mean but trout is a whole other monster in the collecting game, your basing 1 or 2 hot cards out of a whole product. if I buy a trout platinum that doesn't mean I love platinum, it means I like trout. the overall product doesn't move well. but I do agree, trout platinum selling well was an excellent situation. I moved a few myself =0)

[fitch123]

I see what you mean but trout is a whole other monster in the collecting game, your basing 1 or 2 hot cards out of a whole product. if I buy a trout platinum that doesn't mean I love platinum, it means I like trout. the overall product doesn't move well. but I do agree, trout platinum selling well was an excellent situation. I moved a few myself =0)

It outsells his bowman chrome rc by 2x.

Ok how about goldy

platinum

Paul Goldschmidt 2010 Bowman Platinum REFRACTOR AUTO | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Paul-Goldschmidt-2010-Bowman-Platinum-REFRACTOR-AUTO-/271020844001?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3f1a19e3e1)


vs

chrome

2011 Bowman Chrome PAUL GOLDSCHMIDT AUTOGRAPH ROOKIE CARD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Bowman-Chrome-PAUL-GOLDSCHMIDT-AUTOGRAPH-ROOKIE-CARD-/110917239723?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item19d32ec3ab)

[fitch123]

perhaps you want lower end prospects/rcs?

plat

2010 Bowman Platinum JARROD PARKER Refractor RC Auto - Athletics | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Bowman-Platinum-JARROD-PARKER-Refractor-RC-Auto-Athletics-/230820535441?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item35bdf9dc91)

vs

chrome

JARROD PARKER 2008 Bowman Chrome AUTOGRAPH RC Oakland A's Rookie Auto | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JARROD-PARKER-2008-Bowman-Chrome-AUTOGRAPH-RC-Oakland-As-Rookie-Auto-/350581840289?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item51a04e59a1)

[Qwasian]

in my opinion the bowmans are easier to find... so many people buy up bowman..... I know I personally pulled several goldschmidt bowman auto's, and didn't really buy much platinum, never pulled a goldschmidt....... to me it's all about whats more difficult to find? I guess you are right in that sense though, singles sell a little better based on not being as popular or easy to find the auto's from it......

[ajscards101]

after seeing the two case break on the box break page, and 13 redemptions were pulled...

:eek::eek:

[Ajax1723]

oh no?

THREE (3) MIKE TROUT 2010 Bowman Platinum Base Rookie Cards RC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/THREE-3-MIKE-TROUT-2010-Bowman-Platinum-Base-Rookie-Cards-RC-/261069061843?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cc8edbed3)


non-numbered parallel:

2010 BOWMAN PLATINUM MIKE TROUT PURPLE REFRACTOR #PP5 ROOKIE #2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-BOWMAN-PLATINUM-MIKE-TROUT-PURPLE-REFRACTOR-PP5-ROOKIE-2-/190701111171?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2c66ac0783)


vs his bowman chrome rc

(3) 2011 Bowman Chrome Draft MIKE TROUT Rookie RC lot. HOT!! Angels TOP PROSPECT | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-2011-Bowman-Chrome-Draft-MIKE-TROUT-Rookie-RC-lot-HOT-Angels-TOP-PROSPECT-/230820128505?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item35bdf3a6f9)

The bottom 3 chrome cards ended three weeks ago, so not really fair to compare them.

Platinum sells well enough, but only if the prospects are hot. And for the most part, the regular autos (at least this year and last year, not the relic autos) seem to be undwerwhelming

I just don't care for Platinum, mostly because the base and parallels sell for next to nothing. Its a pain moving the base and parallels for this set.

[fitch123]

in my opinion the bowmans are easier to find... so many people buy up bowman..... I know I personally pulled several goldschmidt bowman auto's, and didn't really buy much platinum, never pulled a goldschmidt....... to me it's all about whats more difficult to find? I guess you are right in that sense though, singles sell a little better based on not being as popular or easy to find the auto's from it......

So if I've got this right, you're argument is:

platinum sucks, but it is harder to find so it sells better than it should.


The bottom 3 chrome cards ended three weeks ago, so not really fair to compare them.

Platinum sells well enough, but only if the prospects are hot. And for the most part, the regular autos (at least this year and last year, not the relic autos) seem to be undwerwhelming

I just don't care for Platinum, mostly because the base and parallels sell for next to nothing. Its a pain moving the base and parallels for this set.


So what about the prices of goldy and jarrod parker?

[Ajax1723]

So if I've got this right, you're argument is:

platinum sucks, but it is harder to find so it sells better than it should.





So what about the prices of goldy and jarrod parker?

That's true for a lot of products though. An auto from Ginter of Mike Trout was going for 400-700 dollars on release. It's neither his rookie auto nor a prospect auto, but the fact that it was short printed and very hard to get makes it that much more desireable, not to mention Ginter collectors go nuts over them.

I know it isn't the same situation, but its alike.

Goldy and Parker are two examples, you have to analyze the set as a whole, not just from a select few cards that are hotter right now.

[Qwasian]

So if I've got this right, you're argument is:

platinum sucks, but it is harder to find so it sells better than it should.


i'm not an expert on the subject, i'm basically debating back & forth on it, I don't claim to be 100% correct, but wouldn't you say that a more rare or harder to find card would sell a little better?

did you see how many people were busting bowman base? chrome? vs platinum?


if you have a break and people put 10 paul goldschmidt auto's on the market, then you have a platinum break and they put 5 on the market, the platinum would sell better probably because people wouldn't have it already. the box breakers that like certain prospects would already have pulled those, and they would be in heavy circulation.

I do it myself all the time, I break certain popular products like bowman, draft, chrome, and then pick up singles of other less popular stuff.

[Brian12215]

The Hultzen Super is on eBay already.

[Zacky1053]

I hope I'm wrong but was at Target just now, was I reading the blasters correctly? Refractor autos were like 1:33 packs but autograph relics were at odds upwards of 1:1,000, even though they're 1 per hobby box?

[anusinha]

Yep.


People don't understand how this works. If people order a lot of a product, the checklist becomes watered down because Topps needs to pump out more product to meet orders. No one was into 2012 platinum because of last years quality, and now it is great because it was vastly underordered.

This is what scares me about finest. Last year's was great so I'm sure this years will be heavily ordered, and could be quite watered down.

990 to 1245... Prices on platinum are already up 25%
Finest stunk last year. It was 530 a case for a loooooooong time until trout blew up.

[evilside]

four blaster boxes and pulled two prospect autos, one bat relic auto, and an emerald prospect refractor.

i don't think the $80.00 will get me much on ebay Wednesday night.

[craines27mc]

As a follow up this product seems to be extremely frontloaded. Fitch's case #'s will probably be correct, and maybe conservative. However, I have the feeling that the breaks will be much worse after the first run of these are out.

[wickedliquids]

Well, I think this years BP is just as loaded from retail as I had hoped. The only local lcs here jacks his prices, so ill be all over retail for a few.

[Carrbeaz]

My prediction is looking good right now :)

[RotoHester]

What's a good price for a hobby box? My LCS has them for $100

[WalterAZ31]

The problem with Bowman Platinum is that its loaded with auto's of guys who already have auto's in Bowman Chrome or Bowman Draft

Is the checklist better? no doubt, but unless you pull a low numbered variation, its hard to get any type of return, if your looking to flip

Bowman Platinum is a nice set for PC stuff though

[fitch123]

you should go check out the new 2 case break in the box breaks section.

Looks pretty damn good to me. I wish I would have bought more than 1 case.

If those are average case breaks, look for the price on this to shoot up by at least 33%

And now cases are at $1300 on blowout after sitting at around $1000 only a few weeks ago.

:)!:)!

[craines27mc]

And now cases are at $1300 on blowout after sitting at around $1000 only a few weeks ago.

:)!:)!

Looks like it's going up again, product info listed by the cases. Ton of big hits early, I'll be interested to see the breaks in a couple of weeks. Everyone seems to be coming out on top right now!

[Ajax1723]

I seem to be one of the only people that still don't care for the product I'm sure someone will argue how good it is, but the only thing I see of value coming out of these are the jersey/patch autos, and the sales of jersey autos (which you will get in most likely 10-11 of the 12 boxes of the case, the other 1-2 will be the good patch autos) are underwhelming to say the least.

So far, two that come to mind looking at recent ended auctions are a Hosmer Jersey Auto /199 going for 34, and a Gerrit Cole Jumbo Relic auto for 50 dlvd. That seems really low. At 80-85 a box, I probably would have bought a case knowing what I know now about the product, but there is no way I'm a buyer of this stuff at more than that. Sure there are a couple of great cards, and the patches look great, but the first Darvish patch auto went for 160, and I would think the first would go for more than that

Just my little rant, and entirely my opinion, as the cards do look good, but I just think there's no way there is 1300 a case of value in this stuff.

[Carrbeaz]

I seem to be one of the only people that still don't care for the product I'm sure someone will argue how good it is, but the only thing I see of value coming out of these are the jersey/patch autos, and the sales of jersey autos (which you will get in most likely 10-11 of the 12 boxes of the case, the other 1-2 will be the good patch autos) are underwhelming to say the least.

So far, two that come to mind looking at recent ended auctions are a Hosmer Jersey Auto /199 going for 34, and a Gerrit Cole Jumbo Relic auto for 50 dlvd. That seems really low. At 80-85 a box, I probably would have bought a case knowing what I know now about the product, but there is no way I'm a buyer of this stuff at more than that. Sure there are a couple of great cards, and the patches look great, but the first Darvish patch auto went for 160, and I would think the first would go for more than that

Just my little rant, and entirely my opinion, as the cards do look good, but I just think there's no way there is 1300 a case of value in this stuff.

Not being flippant here, but from the get go you were down on this product and now that it appears to be quite popular off the bat you have decided to double down on the negative rather than admitting the product is fairly decent.

Everybody is wrong from time to time, it's ok to admit it. :)!

I was dead wrong on Tier 1 this year. I thought it was going to suck like last year and am kicking myself for not having bought any.

[Ajax1723]

Not being flippant here, but from the get go you were down on this product and now that it appears to be quite popular off the bat you have decided to double down on the negative rather than admitting the product is fairly decent.

Everybody is wrong from time to time, it's ok to admit it. :)!

I was dead wrong on Tier 1 this year. I thought it was going to suck like last year and am kicking myself for not having bought any.

No I can admit when I am wrong, really I can, I just still don't see the resale value in it. It's a matter of numbers for me in this product. Like I said, the cards do look nice, and the relic autos are the best they've had in this product, and to that I will admit I am wrong, because I really thought they'd water down the checklist. They didn't number the base jersey autos, but they made sure the list of players was mostly excellent, with the usual couple of scrubs thrown in

I would most likely now buy this product at the presell price, I'm just having a hard time believing that this stuff is worth 115-120 a box. Unless you hit a really nice patch auto, you aren't going to get close to that back a box, because for the most part, the regular On-Card autos are below average names wise, with a majority of them being 1-7 dollars on release (My Bryan Brickhoise Green auto went for .99!!)

Product did do well it seems, I just still don't see the resale value in it. I will be picking up two maybe 3 boxes, but glad I didn't case break it. Only product I regret not buying was Museum Collection, thought that would tank like Marquee.

Most thought Platinum would tank too, because of 2011. My guess is its so good beacuse it was under ordered. I just personally still not a big fan of Platinum, and even though this year is much better, still don't see how it could warrant over 100 dollar price tag.

But congrats to anyone that opened and hit something nice. Finest comes out in two weeks anyway, and I was more excited/saving my money for that, so everyone wins, you guys get some nice cards, I don't go bankrupt :)!

[chrisxacosta]

never trust a checklist i pulled a card /20 and on the checklist it has it listed as /25

[Qwasian]

never trust a checklist i pulled a card /20 and on the checklist it has it listed as /25

yu have got to be kidding me :D

[Carrbeaz]

Can't believe prices on this now... Wow

[kevinh1919]

never trust a checklist i pulled a card /20 and on the checklist it has it listed as /25

yu have got to be kidding me :D

I have a 2010 Bowman Platinum Triple Autographs #SBD (#52/89) - checklist shows #'d to /99.

I've seen a few other cards from this set...you guessed it...all #'d to /89.