Kobe Bryant 30,000 points!

[1eyed_jack]

Love him or hate him, this guy has had an unbelievable career and amazingly is still going strong!

[Orangejello727]

Congrats to the best players the NBA has ever seen!!

Lets get to 32k now!!

[DeRozan#1Fan]

Congrats to one of my favorite ballers ever!

[1eyed_jack]

i did the math and he'd have to play about another 5 seasons averaging 24 points a game to catch Kareem. A pretty tall order, but you never know with Kobe!

[1eyed_jack]

It'll be sad when Kobe retired. He's pretty much the last player I idolized because I was young enough to still do that when he came into the league

[JORDANForever]

Sweet man Sweet Congrats Kobe and to think if Jordan went on that baseball run lol

Anyway does anyone know the top 5 and the exact numbers?points wise?

[1eyed_jack]

Rank Player PTS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 38387
2. Karl Malone* 36928
3. Michael Jordan* 32292
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 31419
5. Kobe Bryant 29987
6. Shaquille O'Neal 28596
7. Moses Malone* 27409
8. Elvin Hayes* 27313
9. Hakeem Olajuwon* 26946
10. Oscar Robertson* 26710




that's prior to this game

[hairyangryfella]

There is no doubt in my mind that Kobe wants to pass MJ in scoring. I doubt he can catch the other two though.

He has become less likeable, but I still respect his talent and drive and offer congratulations to him on the milestone.

[Orangejello727]

Kareems record is one that will take a ton to break. A player will have to play like 25+ yrs in the league to do it.

Todays game makes it hard with how athletic players are. The game has change a lot between the decades and so many factors add and take away from comparing players out of era.

Imagine the NBA goes got a 100+ game schedule. That would make it easier for a player to get more career pts!

[nateadams2]

i agree with everyone above that the record will be a very tall order....but if jordan had played straight through without retiring twice. i think he could have came close to it.

[vc15jrich23]

I will admit I have never been a laker fan or Kobe fan (espicially after the Colorado incident) but I do respect what he has done in the game. Congrats Kobe. I am also debating if I want to add a Kobe auto to my collection and also which one? I do like the UDA items better but I like the fact he signed his full name with Panini.

Maybe I will go for the VC/Kobe dual auto.

[Orangejello727]

i agree with everyone above that the record will be a very tall order....but if jordan had played straight through without retiring twice. i think he could have came close to it.

You think his retirement of 3 yrs would have got him 6,000 pts?

[JOHNJOHNNY]

you think his retirement of 3 yrs would have got him 6,000 pts?

80 games a year (playoffs would be more like 90 but i'll take 10 away for injury) x 25 ppg= 2000 points per season x 3 years=6000 points

[Orangejello727]

80 games a year (playoffs would be more like 90 but i'll take 10 away for injury) x 25 ppg= 2000 points per season x 3 years=6000 points

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

[bullrose23]

i agree with everyone above that the record will be a very tall order....but if jordan had played straight through without retiring twice. i think he could have came close to it.

i have no doubt Jordan would have been number 1 on that list if he didn't walk away early


BTW congrats to Kobe IMO the closest to Jordan's killer instinct

[nateadams2]

You think his retirement of 3 yrs would have got him 6,000 pts?

as johnny said below, or are you going to argue with that math? yes, i obviously think his retirement of 3 years would have got him 6000 points or else i wouldn't have said it, would I?

[nateadams2]

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

c'mon man. ur going to talk about that one year with the wizards? he walked away after a 3-peat. he still would have been averaging 25 points a game. Oh wait, nevermind, people will always find some way to make an argument on this board. I'm exiting out of this thread now to avoid getting involved in a ten page flame war with ten different people. as threads always do.

[MacIrish82]

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

He was in his prime when he retired following his father's death. He could of easily had the all time record if he would of played a straight 15-16 year career.

[Orangejello727]

as johnny said below, or are you going to argue with that math? yes, i obviously think his retirement of 3 years would have got him 6000 points or else i wouldn't have said it, would I?

Woulda coulda shoulda! Listen up.. MJ didn't, because he couldnt. If you want to play the what if game then Kareem could have easily had 10,000 more points player 5 more yrs if he wanted. Malone could have played 5 more yrs and had more points too. Get the drift?

[Orangejello727]

c'mon man. ur going to talk about that one year with the wizards? he walked away after a 3-peat. he still would have been averaging 25 points a game. Oh wait, nevermind, people will always find some way to make an argument on this board. I'm exiting out of this thread now to avoid getting involved in a ten page flame war with ten different people. as threads always do.

This thread is about Kobe. You bring in MJ because you hate kobe. Its pretty simple. Why are you arguing about something MJ NEVER DID?

/end thread as Kobe haters enter

[bullrose23]

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz




i agree there is no way of knowing but you forget 2 things Jordan doesn't walk away , bulls never lose pippen

and he slowed down because he was away from the game ,first comeback he let players like nick Anderson school him in the playoffs ,got back into basketball shape and took over the league again ..just my opinion

[VikingsAllDay]

Congrats Kobe....

[JK8283]

Woulda coulda shoulda! Listen up.. MJ didn't, because he couldnt. If you want to play the what if game then Kareem could have easily had 10,000 more points player 5 more yrs if he wanted. Malone could have played 5 more yrs and had more points too. Get the drift?

Dude you need to relax - if debating scenarios and ranking players / teams based in subjectivity isn't your thing, then maybe being a SPORTS fan isn't for you. Oh, and didn't MJ miss 4.5 seasons between his two retirements? If you don't think he could have averaged 15 points a season during that time then it's your opinion... Just like it is probably most people's opinions that he would have. The fact is, he didn't so we will never know for sure, but maybe you should stop sh!tting all over everybody who wants to debate it.

[Orangejello727]

i agree there is no way of knowing but you forget 2 things Jordan doesn't walk away , bulls never lose pippen

and he slowed down because he was away from the game ,first comeback he let players like nick Anderson school him in the playoffs ,got back into basketball shape and took over the league again ..just my opinion

still an assumption. Its a fact that he didnt do it. We can only work with facts. Like I said, Kareem could have easily thrown down 10k more points if he stuck around. Argue that if you wish just like arguing MJ could have done more as well. The What ifs get old. THey are not determining facts, all they happen to be are pipe dreams of people who idolize him and thinking what could have been and trying to make it reality.

Im sorry he didnt get 37,000 pts. Its not my fault. But hey, if you want to gift him 6k pts and maybe 7 more rings, hey then we can sit here say he had more rings than russell as well. Hell while we are at it, lets throw more all star games and let him take over kareem as well. lol Wait, lets add 6 gold medals as well..and lets just say that because there was only an olympics every 4 yrs, if it was yearly, MJ would have more gold then Phelps too!! Probably beat him at the 500m backstroke too!! :)!:)!:)!

[Orangejello727]

Dude you need to relax - if debating scenarios and ranking players / teams based in subjectivity isn't your thing, then maybe being a SPORTS fan isn't for you. Oh, and didn't MJ miss 4.5 seasons between his two retirements? If you don't think he could have averaged 15 points a season during that time then it's your opinion... Just like it is probably most people's opinions that he would have. The fact is, he didn't so we will never know for sure, but maybe you should stop sh!tting all over everybody who wants to debate it.

Name the years I missed? and the number of games. I want to see which year I missed. The only people that need to relax are those who derail a Kobe thread by bringing MJ into it. I should have seen it coming. I could say Burger King and someone would throw in a MJ is better eventhough we were talking double whoppers with cheese!!

[Filthy]

I am one who has never cared much for Kobe, but he has stood the test of time and continued to be one of the best players to ever play.

Looking at that scoring list, though.... Im not sure why Karl Malone doesn't get his props. Myself included.

[JK8283]

Name the years I missed? and the number of games. I want to see which year I missed. The only people that need to relax are those who derail a Kobe thread by bringing MJ into it. I should have seen it coming. I could say Burger King and someone would throw in a MJ is better eventhough we were talking double whoppers with cheese!!

1993-94 entire season
1994-95, retired for first 65 games
1998-99 (lockout shortened)
1999-00
2000-01

looks like 4.5 seasons to me... and no, I didn't come in here looking to debate MJ necessarily, it's just that you have such a visceral reaction to people debating what-if scenarios. That's what people do - hard to imagine we'd have half as much to talk about in sports if we weren't talking trade scenarios, draft scenarios, firing coaches, changing team systems, etc.

[burke23]

I am one who has never cared much for Kobe, but he has stood the test of time and continued to be one of the best players to ever play.

Looking at that scoring list, though.... Im not sure why Karl Malone doesn't get his props. Myself included.

Great player, poor market, not flashy, no rings....that about sums up any lack of props (real or perceived) for Malone.

[Orangejello727]

1993-94 entire season
1994-95, retired for first 65 games
1998-99 (lockout shortened)
1999-00
2000-01

looks like 4.5 seasons to me... and no, I didn't come in here looking to debate MJ necessarily, it's just that you have such a visceral reaction to people debating what-if scenarios. That's what people do - hard to imagine we'd have half as much to talk about in sports if we weren't talking trade scenarios, draft scenarios, firing coaches, changing team systems, etc.

I wouldn't even include 98 as no one played that year.

My reaction is based on the theory of trying to take an assumption and turn it into a realistic fact. Its a fact that MJ didnt do it. I mean if you want to add the what ifs, why not add them to every player? WHat if Kareem played more years. WHat if Malone played more games? What if Kobe admitted he could have but didnt feel like winning scoring titles? Just how far are you willing to take what if scenarios? Till they finally have MJ as #1 eventhough it never happened??

The topic clearly was about Kobe. Bringing MJ into the conversation is a great example of how MJ fans cannot let it go! Thats the frustrating part. Having to listen to people always trump any acheivement with "Wait MJ could have been better" gets old after a while.

[bullrose23]

1993-94 entire season
1994-95, retired for first 65 games
1998-99 (lockout shortened)
1999-00
2000-01

looks like 4.5 seasons to me... and no, I didn't come in here looking to debate MJ necessarily, it's just that you have such a visceral reaction to people debating what-if scenarios. That's what people do - hard to imagine we'd have half as much to talk about in sports if we weren't talking trade scenarios, draft scenarios, firing coaches, changing team systems, etc.

ok im sure ill get killed for this because every one gets hurt but lets not forget the 85-86 season only played like 20 games, because of broken foot

[JK8283]

Name the years I missed? and the number of games. I want to see which year I missed. The only people that need to relax are those who derail a Kobe thread by bringing MJ into it. I should have seen it coming. I could say Burger King and someone would throw in a MJ is better eventhough we were talking double whoppers with cheese!!

I wouldn't even include 98 as no one played that year.

My reaction is based on the theory of trying to take an assumption and turn it into a realistic fact. Its a fact that MJ didnt do it. I mean if you want to add the what ifs, why not add them to every player? WHat if Kareem played more years. WHat if Malone played more games? What if Kobe admitted he could have but didnt feel like winning scoring titles? Just how far are you willing to take what if scenarios? Till they finally have MJ as #1 eventhough it never happened??

The topic clearly was about Kobe. Bringing MJ into the conversation is a great example of how MJ fans cannot let it go! Thats the frustrating part. Having to listen to people always trump any acheivement with "Wait MJ could have been better" gets old after a while.

I can understand your point about MJ always coming into the conversation even as an MJ fan myself. It's simply because he's consistently thought of as the platinum standard in basketball, like it or not. It's like having any great NHL discussion without mentioning Gretzky, or baseball without Ruth. To address your other what-if scenarios, both Malone and Jabbar played straight through their entire careers relatively free from any prolonged injuries or other disruptions. MJ chose to retire, and I'm sure he doesn't give a crap about being 3rd or 4th in the all-time scoring records. However, I think fans debate these what-if scenarios because they remember how good MJ was and it's fun to think of any scenario where he could have possibly done more to pad his resume. Just some innocent conjecturing my man.

[xavieronly1]

BTW......

Metta World Peace crossed the 12,000-point milestone Wednesday at New Orleans. He's the 6th player in NBA history with at least 12,000 points, 4,000 rebounds, 1,500 steals and 1,000 3-pointers made (Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Paul Pierce).

[Orangejello727]

I can understand your point about MJ always coming into the conversation even as an MJ fan myself. It's simply because he's consistently thought of as the platinum standard in basketball, like it or not. It's like having any great NHL discussion without mentioning Gretzky, or baseball without Ruth. To address your other what-if scenarios, both Malone and Jabbar played straight through their entire careers relatively free from any prolonged injuries or other disruptions. MJ chose to retire, and I'm sure he doesn't give a crap about being 3rd or 4th in the all-time scoring records. However, I think fans debate these what-if scenarios because they remember how good MJ was and it's fun to think of any scenario where he could have possibly done more to pad his resume. Just some innocent conjecturing my man.

Thats fine. Just keep it to an MJ what if thread. Not a kobe hits 39k pts one!! Would make it much easier no?

[Orangejello727]

BTW......

Metta World Peace crossed the 12,000-point milestone Wednesday at New Orleans. He's the 6th player in NBA history with at least 12,000 points, 4,000 rebounds, 1,500 steals and 1,000 3-pointers made (Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Paul Pierce).


Wait for it...... Ill just say it just to get it out of the way..."MJ would have made this list if he didnt retire"

[xavieronly1]

Wait for it...... Ill just say it just to get it out of the way..."MJ would have made this list if he didnt retire"

I am just messing up with thread since people like to put MJ or Lebron on a Kobe milestone thread.

[1eyed_jack]

The fact is, Kobe is Kobe and MJ is MJ. They are similar players, but not quite the same. Jordan was a better defender, and believe it or not, I actually think Kobe is a better scorer. He has great range, and I swear watching him every year he adds one or two new moves to his game. This year seems to be a little driving hook shot, the last few years he was perfecting the one-footed fall away.

Lebron might get to 30,000 but let's not forget how hard and rare it is for a player to play so long at Kobe's level. Lots of stars were able to excel for 8-10 years, but not many can keep it going after 12 or 13 seasons.

That being said, let's keep this on Kobe since he has 30,000 points now!

[Kosmo Kards]

Man such a great accomplishment. I've been watching Kobe since I was 10 and he has had an unbelieveable career.

[MikeMamba]

BTW......

Metta World Peace crossed the 12,000-point milestone Wednesday at New Orleans. He's the 6th player in NBA history with at least 12,000 points, 4,000 rebounds, 1,500 steals and 1,000 3-pointers made (Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Paul Pierce).

HOF:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:)!:eek:

[PackAttack419]

I wouldn't even include 98 as no one played that year.

My reaction is based on the theory of trying to take an assumption and turn it into a realistic fact. Its a fact that MJ didnt do it. I mean if you want to add the what ifs, why not add them to every player? WHat if Kareem played more years. WHat if Malone played more games? What if Kobe admitted he could have but didnt feel like winning scoring titles? Just how far are you willing to take what if scenarios? Till they finally have MJ as #1 eventhough it never happened??

The topic clearly was about Kobe. Bringing MJ into the conversation is a great example of how MJ fans cannot let it go! Thats the frustrating part. Having to listen to people always trump any acheivement with "Wait MJ could have been better" gets old after a while.

i agree with everyone else that 1) there is nothin wrong with bringing up scenarios for fun and conversation and 2) that you had an extremely defensive and aggressive reaction.

you really ought to change your avatar, if you cant even stand public comments about MJ (even if it's in a kobe thread)

[Burt-Reynolds]

There is no doubt in my mind that Kobe wants to pass MJ in scoring. I doubt he can catch the other two though.

He has become less likeable, but I still respect his talent and drive and offer congratulations to him on the milestone.

well he'll easily pass jordan by the middle of next season. it's also not totally out of the question he can pass kareem, however it would require him to play for a different team after his contract with the lakers is up though, which he can obviously handle based on how high his level of play still is. but the busses aren't going to sign him for 2 years and let him chuck 30x a game just to chase a record, so he would obviously need to go play for a bottom feeder team where he could just dominate the ball and shoot 30 times a game.

i'm sure a small market team would throw a big money contract at him to just let him come chase the all time scoring record too. which i don't know if he would do at this point in his career. he is all about leaving his legacy in these last few years, and it would be kind of callous and hollow to just go sign somewhere to be a gunner on some cellar dweller for a year or two to beat kareem with no chance of being a title contender. who knows though. it will certainly be interesting to see what happens when his contract comes up.

[1eyed_jack]

well he'll easily pass jordan by the middle of next season. it's also not totally out of the question he can pass kareem, however it would require him to play for a different team after his contract with the lakers is up though, which he can obviously handle based on how high his level of play still is. but the busses aren't going to sign him for 2 years and let him chuck 30x a game just to chase a record, so he would obviously need to go play for a bottom feeder team where he could just dominate the ball and shoot 30 times a game.

i'm sure a small market team would throw a big money contract at him to just let him come chase the all time scoring record too. which i don't know if he would do at this point in his career. he is all about leaving his legacy in these last few years, and it would be kind of callous and hollow to just go sign somewhere to be a gunner on some cellar dweller for a year or two to beat kareem with no chance of being a title contender. who knows though. it will certainly be interesting to see what happens when his contract comes up.

I don't think it would need to be a bottom feeder team. I'd love to see Kobe on the Bulls.

Rose
Kobe
Deng
Noah
Gibson

That's a pretty good lineup!

The Bulls need a guy like Kobe and I think he could average 20 on that team without having to be a chucker

[pingbling23]

this is a great accomplishment for kobe, no doubt about it. i can not help to join the age old jordan/kobe debate though. oj is right, we can play the what if game all day long, factoring in percentages/averages and what not. but here is a fact between the 2, as of right now kobe has played approximately 107 more regular season games then jordan but has scored approximately 2305 points less, this cant be disputed.

[Orangejello727]

this is a great accomplishment for kobe, no doubt about it. i can not help to join the age old jordan/kobe debate though. oj is right, we can play the what if game all day long, factoring in percentages/averages and what not. but here is a fact between the 2, as of right now kobe has played approximately 107 more regular season games then jordan but has scored approximately 2305 points less, this cant be disputed.

That fact is more debatable then listening someone try and pad stats for what didnt happen!!

Ill agree, while MJs term in the NBA, he scored much more during his tenure. But then his tenure vs Kobes comes into question when it comes to endurance and longevity. MJ himself considered retiring in 1992 because he was tiring. He said it himself.

[asujbl]

Great accomplishment for sure...

But if I have to read or hear one more time about he is the "youngest ever" to do it - and then the person then fails to mention it took him way more games then anyone else - I'm going to rip my hair out. You can't have one without the other.

[xavieronly1]

well he'll easily pass jordan by the middle of next season. it's also not totally out of the question he can pass kareem, however it would require him to play for a different team after his contract with the lakers is up though, which he can obviously handle based on how high his level of play still is. but the busses aren't going to sign him for 2 years and let him chuck 30x a game just to chase a record, so he would obviously need to go play for a bottom feeder team where he could just dominate the ball and shoot 30 times a game.

i'm sure a small market team would throw a big money contract at him to just let him come chase the all time scoring record too. which i don't know if he would do at this point in his career. he is all about leaving his legacy in these last few years, and it would be kind of callous and hollow to just go sign somewhere to be a gunner on some cellar dweller for a year or two to beat kareem with no chance of being a title contender. who knows though. it will certainly be interesting to see what happens when his contract comes up.

I hope he can stay in lakers. 30 minutes per game with 20 points. I think it is doable, and not hurting the team.

[Orangejello727]

I hope he can stay in lakers. 30 minutes per game with 20 points. I think it is doable, and not hurting the team.

That and I would love to see Kobe finish his career as a Laker through and through!!

[1eyed_jack]

this is a great accomplishment for kobe, no doubt about it. i can not help to join the age old jordan/kobe debate though. oj is right, we can play the what if game all day long, factoring in percentages/averages and what not. but here is a fact between the 2, as of right now kobe has played approximately 107 more regular season games then jordan but has scored approximately 2305 points less, this cant be disputed.

That is true, but Kobe wasn't starting right off the bat in the NBA. His first few years weren't huge minute wise.

But looking at it minutes wise, Kobe's played about 50 more games than Jordan as of now

[MikeMamba]

Kobe said win or lose, he will end it with the Lakers.

He is a Laker for life...

[thepinoymamba]

Thanks Idol!!! You have reach the mark. Kobe now with Michael, Kareem, Malone, Wilt

[Burt-Reynolds]

I hope he can stay in lakers. 30 minutes per game with 20 points. I think it is doable, and not hurting the team.

oh believe me i want him to retire a laker, and i do think that is possible. it just depends on which direction the lakers are going when his contract is up, and if he would be willing to sign a mid level contract to play as 3rd or 4th banana on the team. the lakers will also be going hard on lebron that year. what if they somehow got him to sign (highly doubtful) how would that play out with kobe. lots of what ifs to consider.

however he has also made it known how important it is to him to retire a laker, and to be known as the greatest laker ever. i'm the same age as kobe and he is the first player i've connected with and followed personally like this being a lifelong laker fan. i remember going to see the bulls play the lakers at the forum in 97 and watching kobe come off the bench and going against jordan, a check on the bucket list before i even knew what a bucket list was. it's going to be a sad day when he retires.

[UltimateDeron]

Incredible feat for Kobe, but how about some perspective:
Kobe Bryant least impressive to reach 30,000 points in his NBA career - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk-Pl8Ii8Y&list=UL)

[pingbling23]

it will be a sad day when kobe retires, but as other greats have said when they retire, im leaving the game in good hands. i think there will be more "superstars" when kobe leaves the game vs. when jordan left and it was mainly on kobe's shoulders. it will be a sad day, but we have alot to look forward to!!!!

[JP Lakers Fan]

what a great accomplishments, congratulations to Kobe and now it's time to bring ring n°6 !!!!

[Burt-Reynolds]

Incredible feat for Kobe, but how about some perspective:
Kobe Bryant least impressive to reach 30,000 points in his NBA career - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk-Pl8Ii8Y&list=UL)

pure hate. that video lost all credibility or respect as do you when he starts immediately referring to fans as kobetards. you lose any chance of trying to have a civil conversation or discussion on the subject. i closed the video about a 1/2 minute into this asshat's nasally monotone annoying voice.

[pingbling23]

pure hate. that video lost all credibility or respect as do you when he starts immediately referring to fans as kobetards. you lose any chance of trying to have a civil conversation or discussion on the subject. i closed the video about a 1/2 minute into this asshat's nasally monotone annoying voice.

i agree, but there are some very good facts, stats, and information in the video.

[Burt-Reynolds]

i agree, but there are some very good facts, stats, and information in the video.

there may be, but i'll never find out because i'll never watch the video and leet some dipsh!t try to disrespect me because i'm a fan of kobe bryant, and i'm not one of these kobe fans that thinks he's above reproach. he is far from a prefect basketball player. i get angry when he goes into hero chucker mode and completely takes the rest of the team out the game which causes more losses than wins, because i will always be a laker fan first. however he is still one of the greatest players to ever lace them up. don't get it twisted though that guy is a straight kobe hater, and that video was strictly made to get attention for being what it is.

[pac213up]

there may be, but i'll never find out because i'll never watch the video and leet some dipsh!t try to disrespect me because i'm a fan of kobe bryant, and i'm not one of these kobe fans that thinks he's above reproach. he is far from a prefect basketball player. i get angry when he goes into hero chucker mode and completely takes the rest of the team out the game which causes more losses than wins, because i will always be a laker fan first. however he is still one of the greatest players to ever lace them up. don't get it twisted though that guy is a straight kobe hater, and that video was strictly made to get attention for being what it is.

Has him as #15 on his All-Time list. His main point is that Kobe's accomplishment is tremendous but not to let the age piece override the fact that the other guys that did it, did it in less games and with less shots, if you are going to compare the players.

[Orangejello727]

Burt dont bother. This reminds of my religous studies back in school about the crusades. No matter how much you focus on the accomplishment at hand, the haters will always focus on discrediting everything Kobe accomplishes.

Same old debate, same old dirty tactics.. Discredit any information that goes agains MJ. If anything Nike has done a great job brain washing them!!! (My opinion).

Kobe doesnt achieve an MJ record = Mj is better
Kobe achieves a greater record than MJ = Discredit it any way possible

Subjective matters only count if they work in MJs favor. No one elses.

There is no celebration in accomplishments anymore. Its more about saving MJs face!

[pingbling23]

Burt dont bother. This reminds of my religous studies back in school about the crusades. No matter how much you focus on the accomplishment at hand, the haters will always focus on discrediting everything Kobe accomplishes.

Same old debate, same old dirty tactics.. Discredit any information that goes agains MJ. If anything Nike has done a great job brain washing them!!! (My opinion).

Kobe doesnt achieve an MJ record = Mj is better
Kobe achieves a greater record than MJ = Discredit it any way possible

Subjective matters only count if they work in MJs favor. No one elses.

There is no celebration in accomplishments anymore. Its more about saving MJs face!

has this happened yet?

[Orangejello727]

has this happened yet?

I cant say. If I do, im bound to get a hater patrol on my arse telling me it doesnt count. :)!:D:D

[WillC]

pure hate. that video lost all credibility or respect as do you when he starts immediately referring to fans as kobetards. you lose any chance of trying to have a civil conversation or discussion on the subject. i closed the video about a 1/2 minute into this asshat's nasally monotone annoying voice.

Same here.

And I completely agree with you about the unnecessary/inappropriate use of the word 'Kobetards'.

That's why Bruce Blitz will never be a respected journalist/writer/blogger.

[pingbling23]

I cant say. If I do, im bound to get a hater patrol on my arse telling me it doesnt count. :)!:D:D

hahaha, good point.

[Orangejello727]

hahaha, good point.

Armageddon is coming. Soon enough there is a possibilty that Kobe ....

Gets his 6th and maybe more rings than MJ
Passes MJ in pts and other catagories

All are possibilities. The day of reckoning may come. Im just waiting to see what MJ fact trumps it and discredits it!!

I already know a few for sure...

"I know Kobe passed MJ but MJ did it with passion"
"I know Kobe has more rings, but MJ never lost in the finals"
"I know Kobe xxxx, but MJ had it tougher"

Im sure theyll come out to discredit any accomplishments Kobe has. We saw it today. Im sure we will see it for a long time!