Kobe Bryant 30,000 points!

[1eyed_jack]

Love him or hate him, this guy has had an unbelievable career and amazingly is still going strong!

[Orangejello727]

Congrats to the best players the NBA has ever seen!!

Lets get to 32k now!!

[DeRozan#1Fan]

Congrats to one of my favorite ballers ever!

[1eyed_jack]

i did the math and he'd have to play about another 5 seasons averaging 24 points a game to catch Kareem. A pretty tall order, but you never know with Kobe!

[1eyed_jack]

It'll be sad when Kobe retired. He's pretty much the last player I idolized because I was young enough to still do that when he came into the league

[JORDANForever]

Sweet man Sweet Congrats Kobe and to think if Jordan went on that baseball run lol

Anyway does anyone know the top 5 and the exact numbers?points wise?

[1eyed_jack]

Rank Player PTS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 38387
2. Karl Malone* 36928
3. Michael Jordan* 32292
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 31419
5. Kobe Bryant 29987
6. Shaquille O'Neal 28596
7. Moses Malone* 27409
8. Elvin Hayes* 27313
9. Hakeem Olajuwon* 26946
10. Oscar Robertson* 26710




that's prior to this game

[hairyangryfella]

There is no doubt in my mind that Kobe wants to pass MJ in scoring. I doubt he can catch the other two though.

He has become less likeable, but I still respect his talent and drive and offer congratulations to him on the milestone.

[Orangejello727]

Kareems record is one that will take a ton to break. A player will have to play like 25+ yrs in the league to do it.

Todays game makes it hard with how athletic players are. The game has change a lot between the decades and so many factors add and take away from comparing players out of era.

Imagine the NBA goes got a 100+ game schedule. That would make it easier for a player to get more career pts!

[nateadams2]

i agree with everyone above that the record will be a very tall order....but if jordan had played straight through without retiring twice. i think he could have came close to it.

[vc15jrich23]

I will admit I have never been a laker fan or Kobe fan (espicially after the Colorado incident) but I do respect what he has done in the game. Congrats Kobe. I am also debating if I want to add a Kobe auto to my collection and also which one? I do like the UDA items better but I like the fact he signed his full name with Panini.

Maybe I will go for the VC/Kobe dual auto.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by nateadams2

i agree with everyone above that the record will be a very tall order....but if jordan had played straight through without retiring twice. i think he could have came close to it.

You think his retirement of 3 yrs would have got him 6,000 pts?

[JOHNJOHNNY]

Originally Posted by orangejello727

you think his retirement of 3 yrs would have got him 6,000 pts?

80 games a year (playoffs would be more like 90 but i'll take 10 away for injury) x 25 ppg= 2000 points per season x 3 years=6000 points

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by JOHNJOHNNY

80 games a year (playoffs would be more like 90 but i'll take 10 away for injury) x 25 ppg= 2000 points per season x 3 years=6000 points

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

[bullrose23]

Originally Posted by nateadams2

i agree with everyone above that the record will be a very tall order....but if jordan had played straight through without retiring twice. i think he could have came close to it.

i have no doubt Jordan would have been number 1 on that list if he didn't walk away early


BTW congrats to Kobe IMO the closest to Jordan's killer instinct

[nateadams2]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

You think his retirement of 3 yrs would have got him 6,000 pts?

as johnny said below, or are you going to argue with that math? yes, i obviously think his retirement of 3 years would have got him 6000 points or else i wouldn't have said it, would I?

[nateadams2]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

c'mon man. ur going to talk about that one year with the wizards? he walked away after a 3-peat. he still would have been averaging 25 points a game. Oh wait, nevermind, people will always find some way to make an argument on this board. I'm exiting out of this thread now to avoid getting involved in a ten page flame war with ten different people. as threads always do.

[MacIrish82]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

He was in his prime when he retired following his father's death. He could of easily had the all time record if he would of played a straight 15-16 year career.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by nateadams2

as johnny said below, or are you going to argue with that math? yes, i obviously think his retirement of 3 years would have got him 6000 points or else i wouldn't have said it, would I?

Woulda coulda shoulda! Listen up.. MJ didn't, because he couldnt. If you want to play the what if game then Kareem could have easily had 10,000 more points player 5 more yrs if he wanted. Malone could have played 5 more yrs and had more points too. Get the drift?

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by nateadams2

c'mon man. ur going to talk about that one year with the wizards? he walked away after a 3-peat. he still would have been averaging 25 points a game. Oh wait, nevermind, people will always find some way to make an argument on this board. I'm exiting out of this thread now to avoid getting involved in a ten page flame war with ten different people. as threads always do.

This thread is about Kobe. You bring in MJ because you hate kobe. Its pretty simple. Why are you arguing about something MJ NEVER DID?

/end thread as Kobe haters enter

[bullrose23]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

You factored everything in except that MJ was no longer his prime, slowing down and would have probably sat more often then previous years. That and there is no way of telling if they would have made the playoff runs like before without Pippen or other players and possibly no Phil.

If the argument is I dont know if he would have slowed down, then just take a look at his averages from playing with the Wiz

i agree there is no way of knowing but you forget 2 things Jordan doesn't walk away , bulls never lose pippen

and he slowed down because he was away from the game ,first comeback he let players like nick Anderson school him in the playoffs ,got back into basketball shape and took over the league again ..just my opinion

[VikingsAllDay]

Congrats Kobe....

[JK8283]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Woulda coulda shoulda! Listen up.. MJ didn't, because he couldnt. If you want to play the what if game then Kareem could have easily had 10,000 more points player 5 more yrs if he wanted. Malone could have played 5 more yrs and had more points too. Get the drift?

Dude you need to relax - if debating scenarios and ranking players / teams based in subjectivity isn't your thing, then maybe being a SPORTS fan isn't for you. Oh, and didn't MJ miss 4.5 seasons between his two retirements? If you don't think he could have averaged 15 points a season during that time then it's your opinion... Just like it is probably most people's opinions that he would have. The fact is, he didn't so we will never know for sure, but maybe you should stop sh!tting all over everybody who wants to debate it.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by bullrose23

i agree there is no way of knowing but you forget 2 things Jordan doesn't walk away , bulls never lose pippen

and he slowed down because he was away from the game ,first comeback he let players like nick Anderson school him in the playoffs ,got back into basketball shape and took over the league again ..just my opinion

still an assumption. Its a fact that he didnt do it. We can only work with facts. Like I said, Kareem could have easily thrown down 10k more points if he stuck around. Argue that if you wish just like arguing MJ could have done more as well. The What ifs get old. THey are not determining facts, all they happen to be are pipe dreams of people who idolize him and thinking what could have been and trying to make it reality.

Im sorry he didnt get 37,000 pts. Its not my fault. But hey, if you want to gift him 6k pts and maybe 7 more rings, hey then we can sit here say he had more rings than russell as well. Hell while we are at it, lets throw more all star games and let him take over kareem as well. lol Wait, lets add 6 gold medals as well..and lets just say that because there was only an olympics every 4 yrs, if it was yearly, MJ would have more gold then Phelps too!! Probably beat him at the 500m backstroke too!!

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by JK8283

Dude you need to relax - if debating scenarios and ranking players / teams based in subjectivity isn't your thing, then maybe being a SPORTS fan isn't for you. Oh, and didn't MJ miss 4.5 seasons between his two retirements? If you don't think he could have averaged 15 points a season during that time then it's your opinion... Just like it is probably most people's opinions that he would have. The fact is, he didn't so we will never know for sure, but maybe you should stop sh!tting all over everybody who wants to debate it.

Name the years I missed? and the number of games. I want to see which year I missed. The only people that need to relax are those who derail a Kobe thread by bringing MJ into it. I should have seen it coming. I could say Burger King and someone would throw in a MJ is better eventhough we were talking double whoppers with cheese!!